Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #342 ecto, Number 342 Monday, 5 October 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* oh that wacky Sinead... Tori at Toad's Sinead: What she said. Poems from the Not-so-Famous A peom Re: Discovering Happy Re: US and other bits and pieces Re: Geoff did it! Couple o' bits ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 12:36:44 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: oh that wacky Sinead... David N. Blank-Edelman writes: > Howdy- > Well, here's what Sinead's Saturday Night Live performance consisted > of: > > 1) success has made a failure of our home > 2) an acapella song I didn't recognize (theme: racism/ discrimination/ > prejudeice exists and as a result we are at war with each other). I happened to see this with some friends, one of whom recognized the lyrics as coming from a Bob Marley song. > Unfortunately the first song had her vocals buried in the mix (she had > a very large string section on stage with her). > > The second song is sure to make some people unhappy because she said > "and now right wins over wrong" (or something like that) and proceeded > to rip a picture of the the Pope into pieces. She's not very happy > with the Catholic church these days, is she? (she also complained > about them in her Ms. article). I recall that she sang "and good wins out over -- " and proceeded to whip out the picture of the pope and tear it in half three times. She didn't sing "evil" but one indeed got a good idea of what she was implying. The song was followed by the sound of about a thousand jaws dropping in the audience, and one "Bravo!", incongruous under the circumstances. > As a side note, I noticed she was wearing a Jewish (i.e. 6-pointed) > star necklace for her second song. Am I right in recalling that she > is not Jewish? If so, I really wish she would have avoided wearing > it. I hate when people co-opt other cultures' symbols for fashion > statements. > Peace, > dNb We also noticed her Star of David necklace. I wonder if it was somehow part of her political statement? My impression of the pope-ripping was mostly the awe I reserve for someone who has managed to offend a huge number of people in a relatively harmless way (as opposed to offending a huge number of people by dropping a nuclear weapon on them, say). Since I am areligious the substance of her act didn't offend me, although I appreciate that Catholics are probably going to be screaming for her head for weeks. And my anarcho-punk streak makes me feel that people who are too easily offended need to get offended often enough to desensitize them. However, I still can't any liking for Sinead's music (I know, who's saying that I have to?). ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 15:45:23 EDT From: David N. Blank-Edelman Subject: oh that wacky Sinead... > We also noticed her Star of David necklace. I wonder if it was > somehow part of her political statement? Oh, I hope not. Perhaps she has converted (ala Sammy Davis Jr.)? That would be an interesting twist. Peace, dNb ======================================================================== Date: 4-OCT-1992 15:45:42.99 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Tori at Toad's Hi! Tori Amos will be playing at Toad's Place in New Haven, CT on Monday, November 9. I'm not sure when tickets go on sale (I'm sure it will be fairly soon) or how much they'll be, but I'm definitely going to be there. If anyone else wants to go too and would like me to pick some tickets up for them, please e-mail me at m.tarr1@genie.geis.com and let me know. I'm also willing to provide directions to the club if anyone needs them. If there's a big enough group of us, we may want to meet beforehand or something- that can be arranged as the date approaches, but I thought I'd throw the suggestion out now. Tori's coming to my town! Happy happy joy joy! :> ============================================================================= Meredith Tarr m.tarr1@genie.geis.com America can't survive another four years... fight the idiocy on November 3rd ============================================================================= ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Sinead: What she said. Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 17:25:43 EDT Hi, Through the wonders of video technology here's what Sinead sang during SNL: Until the philosophy that holds one race superior and another inferior Is finally and permanently discretited and abandoned Everywhere is war Until there's no longer first class or second class citizens of any nation Until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes I've got to say war That until the basic human rights are equally guaranteed to all Without regard to race I say war Until that day the dream of lasting peace, world citizenship, And the rule of international morality will remain just a fleeting illusion To be pursued but never attained And everywhere is war Until the ignoble and unhappy regime which holds us through Child abuse, yeah, subhuman bondage Has been toppled, utterly destroyed Everywhere there is war War in the east, war in the west War up north, war down south There's war, and the rumours of war Until that day there is no continent which will know peace Children, children, right, we find it necessary We know we will win, we have confidence In the victory of good Over evil FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY The star of David was IMHO mostdefinitely *NOT* a fashion accessory, since she didn't wear it during 'Success'. The burning question is what flag was on her shawl? That would explain some things. Has there been *any* reaction to this? Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 17:35:33 EDT From: David N. Blank-Edelman Subject: Sinead: What she said. > The star of David was IMHO mostdefinitely *NOT* a fashion accessory, > since she didn't wear it during 'Success'. Dunno. I don't think a change of jewlery rules out the possibility that it was part of the "costume" for that number. I think she may have also changed dresses (the second one looked more low cut). Is this correct? > The burning question is what flag was on her shawl? That would > explain some things. Has there been *any* reaction to this? A great question, I was wondering that as well. She was also carrying this shawl prominently around during the credits (where it looked like no one wanted to hug her!). The credits scene made it look like she was offering other people a hand towel. This is one entertainer who needs Cliff notes in my opinion. Peace, dNb ======================================================================== From: shark@cs.ucla.edu (Jeanne B. Schreiter) Subject: Poems from the Not-so-Famous Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 22:45:08 PDT Poems from the Not-so-Famous When I look inside all I see is her crying wanting something more from life that seems so little Tears are the felt that rips so easily forming loose threads fluttering in the distance I stopped her tears with gentle tones words that sooth children music that melts their souls butterflies landing on fingers parading around their souls whisking sad petals of water to the ground where the soil seeps it up recycling. She wasn't abandoned, I said, she was just laying there thinking, wondering where her peers had gone or where she had lost them. And she wonders where the abandoned lifts of life have fallen, drifting in the wind. -JB Schreiter -- ======================================================================== From: shark@cs.ucla.edu (Jeanne B. Schreiter) Subject: A peom Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 22:45:47 PDT That is, Poem. I sit inside the quietness, silent is the word of my passion, melting slowly like ice cubes left out in your glass. I reached out to pull my feelings back in, only to feel the tenderness of your skin. Slowly are these nights that pass in simple sentences phrases upon moments unabashed but not unwanted Please understand these fragrant flowers are simply lillies fallen into the snow burned upon the coldness touching the fresh, delicate sweetness. And new ones will return when the season has gone. -JB Schreiter ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 1:46:08 EDT From: Ode Subject: Re: Discovering Happy > > Thanks, Vickie for your prompt reply (before I even logged out!) No problem. I would have responded to this one sooner except that I didn't know what to say. THANK YOU for writing it! > No, electronic voyeur I am not, so here is my second posting in > as many days on Ecto: How I found out about Happy Rhodes > (by popular request). This is kind of odd and personal, but I FELL > oops--feel (dont you hate that when your caps lock goes on _and_ > you make a typo and hit return, resulting in a SHOUTING typo??) like :-) > yous are my friends already, since youre so homey and non-flamable. Great! Welcome aboard (that goes for any other new Ectophiles too!) > So there I was, dozing off, and listening to KCRW at about 12:30 or so, > as I often do whilst dozing off. I was in that bizzarre state of mind > when you can still hear stuff around you, but your thoughts are following > such a strange progression, that if someone were to ask you what > you were thinking you would not be able to put it in words. Its that > state when you think of stumbling and your whole body jerks--know what > I mean? Well this amazing and beautiful song came on the radio,amd > although I said to myself that it was amazing and beautiful, I made no > attempt to rouse myself to full awakeness to enjoy it. Although it > was filtering in through my auditory channels, that is not how it > felt. I had a synesthesia, which I have only had before during a > high fever as a kid. I actually felt, in a tactile way, and saw, > in a fully visual way, the shape of the song. Its shape was several > flattish cylinders (about 5), in a row (partially overlapping, actually). > They increased in height from one to the other, and all of their > top surfaces were coplanar, thus sloped. They were sort of reddish > brown, and covered with an intricate, detailed textured pattern that > was some transformation of the amazing lyrics. The song was about > words, and I remember being delighted by the self-referential nature > of this fact: that lyrics (words) were about words themselves. > Again, it was not as if the song _reminded_ me of a shape, it actually > *had* a shape, and a texture, color, etc. Very powerful. > > I thought it was Kate, for sure, and was so glad she still had it in her > to make amazing and beautiful music (of 7th wave or Dreaming caliber). > When the DJ came on, I wrote down "Words werent made for cowards" on > the clipboard I keep nearby for just such an emergency, but I didnt > catch the name (I guess Happy Rhodes was filtered out as being another > song title in her list.) Although I woke enuf to write the song down, > I remember laying there right after, going "Could that song have had > a shape? Sure. Of course it did. Do all songs?" When I got > up the next day, the idea was ludicrous (I think), and I really could > not even remember anything specific about the tune or the words, > just that meaningless shape,and how beautiful and amazing it was. > > I had to know more, so asked rec.music.gaffa. This is where yous > come in--several ectophiles steered me straight, told me about > Happy, and even sent me the FAQ. So I downloaded the lyrics to > Warpaint. Immediately, I was sold. I knew it was no dream--the > words alone were fabulious! So I sent off for the CD and finally > heard Words in a normal state of mind. And guess what? It *_WAS_* > beautiful and amazing! I like every single song on the whole album, > which almost never happens. Not like, love! Now that I have the capability to quote from posts (I couldn't for a long time) I just had to quote that again. Skaludy (really? where's that from?) that is one of the greatest stories I've *ever* heard! happy and dream-states seem to go so well together. (Martin and woj wrote about the song "To Be E.Mortal" and dream states not too long ago, and just today I was on the couch, in one of those "stumble-jerk" states while listening to Rearmament. I was in a world of silver, shiny, crystal orbs. It wasn't a dream, but more like shapes, as you mentioned. A while back there was a thread about how Happy's music provokes colors, and today colors and shapes came together for me. > Why is she so obscure, > with talent far beyond just about anything else on the radio? And > FIVE albums, no less. Well, I have already gotten several of my > friends hooked, so the flame is catching. Good for you! I don't know why she's so obscure either. The real key is getting more airplay, which is why I was so pleased when you first posted in gaffa. I was *delighted*! (Be sure to call up and bug them to continue play. Have you talked to that DJ who played it the night you heard it?) There was a time when I assumed that the only people outside of Albany who would ever hear Happy would be my listeners. I'm so glad that I was way off-base there. Thanks again for the great story. Vickie vickie@pilot.njin.net _________ |_ _ | _ Fuzzy Blue Wonderland "We're waking up |__|_ ||_| "There is a road straight yes it's good" to my heart" ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 2:09:25 EDT From: Ode Subject: Re: US and other bits and pieces > > Hi All! Hi Anthony! > I got US yesterday, when it came into hour local CD store. Three more > people bought copies of it while I was waiting to talk to a friend who > works there. Listen to it three times so far (not counting the songs I > heard on world cafe or in the record store). I shan't bother saying > how utterly brilliant it is since enough other people have already > said so, and since anyway this goes without saying for anything Peter > Gabriel does. What I did want to say was that, musically, it reminds > me of The Lamb Lies Down far more than any of his other solo albums. > Does anyone else think so, or is it just me? Have I finally cracked? Well, you're in good company. The Libery Bell...:-) No, I haven't heard that but I do agree with (ouch, memory loss. Dirk?) who said that the vocals (his example was "Quiet Steam") harken back to his early solo albums. I even heard bits of _Tresspass_ vocals, but PGII seems to be the closest inspiration. I'm still listening to it and have a ways to go before I learn it completely. I haven't even memorized the lyrics. Since The Lamb is my Genesis favorite album, I would probably be adverse to letting myself hear comparisons, but I'll listen for it. US is a great album and I'm very happy with it. The only song I didn't like was "Steam" and even it's growing on me now that I've heard it so many times. Favorite song? I don't know, they're all so good. I think I'm so ecstatic to have "Blood of Eden" on CD that it's my favorite for now. (in the movie, I couldn't tell at all that Sinead was on the track. I guess the dialogue and airplane noises drowned her out.) 120 Minutes just did a couple of short pieces on Peter. Alright! > On the subject of music for a Celtic compilation, can I put in a vote > for Mairi MacInnes (same one as on the Mouth Music CD single). I have > an album of hers called Causeway, which a very nice album of Gaelic > folk songs, and she has a excellent voice. Oddly enough the songs > I'm not so keen on on this album are the few that are in English, > though I'm not sure what this means. Thanks for the suggestion. I know, I would rather not hear Celtic songs in English either. Thanks for the Roger Waters and Nick Drake suggestions. > got tickets to Tori Amos' two shows at the Keswick theatre in > Philadelpia. The tickets for the first show are merely 9th row center, > but I ordered tickets for the second show within about a minute of > their going on sale and got front row center seats! Chris is going to see her Tuesday in St. Louis. He's down in Kanasa City for 2 weeks and a friend is driving to KC. Chris is going with him. Waaaaa! I want to go too. Chris will get to meet Ectophile Bob Kollmeyer again too. Vickie vickie@pilot.njin.net _________ |_ _ | _ Fuzzy Blue Wonderland "We're waking up |__|_ ||_| "There is a road straight yes it's good" to my heart" ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 2:13:03 EDT From: Ode Subject: Re: Geoff did it! Hi Beth! > Thanks for the progress report on No.6 Martin! That's good news! (Had a > *big* laugh at the sign off, btw.) Ditto :-) > I guess Geoff, the bashful (and very busy) wizard, isn't going to tell that > he managed to get Happy played on "The Rock" (Newfoundland, to all of you > non-Canadians)... on the university's radio station. > Well done Geoff! Yes, definitely, congratulations Geoff! Beth, when are you moving? Vickie vickie@pilot.njin.net _________ |_ _ | _ Fuzzy Blue Wonderland "We're waking up |__|_ ||_| "There is a road straight yes it's good" to my heart" ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 5 Oct 92 2:40:41 EDT From: Ode Subject: Re: Sinead: What she said. Angelos, David Blank-Edelman and Steve VanD, thank for the updates (and thoughts) about Sinead. I missed it :-( but I hope it doesn't cause such an uproar that they don't repeat that episode. I never watch SNL, but I would have if I'd known that Sinead was going to be on. Was it mentioned in jitr? Just today in the Chicago Tribune Sunday, there was an article about Sinead (and kd lang) but I haven't read it yet. I'll be checking tomorrow's paper, because the Sunday came out too soon to mention anything. > The star of David was IMHO mostdefinitely *NOT* a fashion accessory, since > she didn't wear it during 'Success'. The burning question is what flag > was on her shawl? That would explain some things. Has there been *any* > reaction to this? > > Angelos Well, I went to the store today and two of the checkout guys were talking about it. One of them thought it was a hoot, the other wasn't offended, but felt bad for those who might be. My own opinion is that this is probably the most interesting thing to happen on SNL for years. I'm *really* sorry I missed it! I didn't answer all the messages I wanted to (Meredith, I'll tell you the story of Victoria later) but it's bed time. I'm going to see the group Betty tomorrow night. (Chicagophiles, it's at the Cubby Bear, 8:pm. They should be a lot of fun.) Vickie vickie@pilot.njin.net _________ |_ _ | _ Fuzzy Blue Wonderland "We're waking up |__|_ ||_| "There is a road straight yes it's good" to my heart" ======================================================================== From: Martin Dougiamas Subject: Couple o' bits Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 0:52:32 WST Hihohiho., A couple of notes... The first is an album that's been popular down here.. I thought it may interest some of you. It's called _Stairways to Heaven_, and is a spinoff of a TV comedy/chat show/thing called "The Money or The Gun". Every week for the 25 or so weeks this show was on, they would have a guest band on the show to play a song. Nothing novel, you might say. The thing was, every week the song was "Stairway to Heaven". The good bit was that every band or singer did the song in a completely original and interesting way. These ranged from a reggae version to "wall of noise" guitar pop to a spoken rendition to a philarmonic choir to a B52s-style version to heavy metal to a Doors version etc... Some are funny, some are serious, all are recorded very well and professionally produced. One version sounds like Kate Bush doing a Strawberry Fields version. All told, there are 25 versions or so. If I can borrow woj's thumbs for a moment... I give it two up with very short thumbnails. The other thing I wanted to mention was that due to a clever circumvention of the recently atrocious postal service by Beth, I finally got to hear Sarah McLachlan and Jane Siberry this weekend. I won't spout too much about them, since most if not all you seem to be very familiar with these two ladies... but suffice to say that I love them both. _Touch_ I liked a lot as soon as I heard the start of "Into the Fire", and liked more and more the more I listened... Jane (_Bound by the Beauty_) was more patchy... I liked her "wacky" songs more than her "serious" stuff at first. This feeling soon gave way under a few more listens and I came to realise my temporary mental sickness for what it was. Yes Doctor I feel all better now. I still think "Everything Reminds Me of My Dog" is her best song on that album, though. :) Right now I'm grooving to some JJ.Cale... probably my favourite musical artist of all... Any other ectophiles out there heard much of his stuff? This guy is highly underrated. Well, off to the land of nod... -- ,-----------------------------+-------------------------------. _ . | "The shallow drowned lose | Martin Dougiamas. | ~ _r' Ll\ ~ | less than we", you breathe, | martin@marsh.cs.curtin.edu.au |~ | \ ~ | the strangest twist upon | Curtin University | ~ \ ._ / ~ | your lips. - The Cure | Perth, Western Australia ----+--> x~ `-' ~ `=============================+===============================' ~ V ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)