Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #341 ecto, Number 341 Monday, 5 October 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: US and other bits and pieces Concert alert Re: Who's that girl? Re: sTuff from afar Geoff did it! Special delivery from exile Re: MUZE and footah what a strange experience musings on "Ode" and "Where Do I Go?" jealous! oh that wacky Sinead... vagabond report #2 Reply to Vickie's reply ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 2 Oct 92 14:15:22 PDT From: john@tessi.com (John Zimmer) Subject: Re: US and other bits and pieces Anthony Kosky writes: >On the subject of music for a Celtic compilation, can I put in a vote >for Mairi MacInnes (same one as on the Mouth Music CD single). I have >an album of hers called Causeway, which a very nice album of Gaelic >folk songs, and she has a excellent voice. Yes! I meant to mention her as well. I bought the album from the lady herself after the Mouth Music concert in Portland last year. Of course I got her to autograph it, and she was great fun to talk to. >thing I feel I want to add, since I'm particularly excited about it: I >got tickets to Tori Amos' two shows at the Keswick theatre in >Philadelpia. All right, it's about time! _____________________________________________________________ John Zimmer john@tessi.com "The happy phantom has no right to bitch." _____________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Concert alert Date: Fri, 02 Oct 92 23:00:17 EDT Hi, Brief notice: Loreena McKennitt will be playing at Nightstage in Cambridge, MA on November 1, 1992. This means she is touring the US, so *LOOK OUT* for concert dates in a venue near you! I will almost miss this, as I am scheduled to attend a conference in Miami from Nov. 1-6, but I haven't made travel arrangements yet, so there is hope! [I knew something like that would happen. Concerts just *wait* for me to leave Boston!!! :)] Angelos 'It's only common sense, there are no accidents around here' ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 1:11:24 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: Who's that girl? > Um, I caught the last half of Vickie's show last night, > in which she played a number of songs all by the same artist. > Unfortunately, I managed to miss both the intro and the > closing, so I *didn't* catch the name of the group/person. > But, I loved the music. > > So, Vickie, my question is, *who* was that? That was Anete and Inga Humpe, in a group called Swimming With Sharks. I devoted the entire show to one or both of these women. My first set was Annette's early 80s group Ideal (pronounced Ee-dee-all) and my second set was Anete and Inga's group Humpe-Humpe, from their 1985 album also called Humpe-Humpe. For some reason the sisters changed their name to Swimming With Sharks and released one album in 1987 (also called Swimming With Sharks. And yes, there's a *song* called Swimming With Sharks!) I've known about Humpe-Humpe and SWS since they were released, but Klaus was the one who told me about Ideal and he brought me a tape of their music. I just decided to fill up the whole show with the sisters' music. Klaus knows more about them than I do, but I assume that they aren't making music together anymore. :-( > And, *where* can I get my copy? Hahahahahahahaha...sorry. I have no idea. These people are *obscure*. The Humpe-Humpe album was released by Warner Brothers Records in America, and SWS are on Atlantic in America. I have both on LP. I don't know if they were even released on CD. The Ideal (which you didn't hear) is on CD in Germany. Chip got a copy. I can make you a tape (you must promise, though I know you would anyway, that if you see them in a record store you'll buy them.) so let me know. > (It sounded kind of like a Kirsty MacColl meets 10,000 Ms, > distilled down to a Mary Margaret O'Hara paste with a touch > of Marine Girls realism. Yeah, right.) That's interesting! I wouldn't go that far. Kirsty, Natalie and Mary are all Apostles. Tracey Thorn and the Humpes would be the next level down ("The Faithful") for me. Glad you liked it! Vickie vickie@pilot.njin.net _________ |_ _ | _ Fuzzy Blue Wonderland "We're waking up |__|_ ||_| "There is a road straight yes it's good" to my heart" ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 1:58:24 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: sTuff from afar > Hi! > > Vickie- in case you didn't get my direct e-mail, yes I did > revive enough to watch Blue Man Group on Leno last week- thanks! > I thought it was a repeat of their previous performance, though- > It's great that he brought them back so soon... maybe this means > they're actually going to release the album of their show? Yes, I got your e-mail, but you didn't get my reply (I really did! Really I did!) I might try sending it again. Say hi to your room-mate! I'm not dependant on Chinet anymore. Thanks to Chip and Jessica I have everything I need here. I may never log onto Chinet again! Isn't that wonderful! I'm so happy! > And also Vickie, they did have Psychowelders' _Inertia_ in the rack at WESU- > I'm going to put a label on it and plug it all I > can. Rhondda will be so proud of me. O:) Great! Speaking of...I just posted something in gaffa about the 'welders. Anyone who feels qualified is welcome (encouraged) to jump in and back me up. I felt weird about pushing the Psychowelders on gaffa because of the KC connection, but Richard Caldwell gave me a perfect opportunity to jump in and talk about them. (That did take some guts. Richard was the one who said that the "market is saturated" or something like that wrt Happy, as if I was pushing Happy just to make her money. I actually think Richard might like the 'welders. Then again...) > Heard a report on Victoria Williams and her MS Friday morning on > Morning Edition. It's really sad to see someone's career cut > short like that, but she's fighting. She said she has started > writing songs with open tuning, so she doesn't have to maneuver > her hands as much. And there have been benefit concerts to help > her with her mounting medical bills, including one recently in > NYC which featured, among others, Syd Straw. I'm sorry I missed > it. I feel *SO* badly for Victoria! My ex-sister-in-law has MS so I know what MS can do to people. (Anthony, aren't you involved with the MS Foundation? You rode you bike?ran in a race? for an MS charity right?) Victoria is a strong woman, and she should have years before symptoms really start getting bad. I assume the benefit for her medical bills was great fun!. You wouldn't happen to have that NPR bit on tape would you? When Victoria was here (in the apartment! *swoon!*) she gave me her home phone number. I've tried to call her a few times but she is never home (kinda like some other musicians we know and love) so I've left messages telling her that people are thinking of her, that I'm still playing her music on my show, and if there's anything we can do, please let us know. I told her to call collect, but I haven't heard from her yet. She sings on her answering machine :-) so I'd love to hook up a recorder somehow and tape her messages. It's so wonderful to hear her voice. > However, hearing a report such as that on an artist I'm sure no > one among NPR's regular morning listeners has heard of only > brought back to the forefront of my mind the certianty that this > would be a key place to spotlight Happy... Yep! > nothing. It was quite amusing. And this morning they supposedly > did a piece on Peter Gabriel and _Us_, but not when I was > listening. Anybody catch this? I missed it :-( > ============================================================================ > Meredith Tarr m.tarr1@genie.geis.com > America can't survive another four years... fight the idiocy on November 3rd > ============================================================================= Damn straight! Damn Ross Perot and his wiffly-waffly ways. I wish he'd just GO AWAY! I fear he's going to affect the votes just enough to make Clinton lose. Grrrr.... Vickie vickie@pilot.njin.net _________ |_ _ | _ Fuzzy Blue Wonderland "We're waking up |__|_ ||_| "There is a road straight yes it's good" to my heart" ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 06:06:09 -0230 From: eperry@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: Geoff did it! Re: the Steve 'n Mitch question on the Labeques. Sorry. I can't help out here at all. I haven't heard of a place called Bayonne, Quebec but then I haven't heard of the Labeques either. Justin, can you help out here? Thanks for the progress report on No.6 Martin! That's good news! (Had a *big* laugh at the sign off, btw.) The problems Angelos and Jeff have been having with computers are nightmare material... Lost data!!? Eek! I sure hope the old saying about trouble coming in threes is wrong! I guess Geoff, the bashful (and very busy) wizard, isn't going to tell that he managed to get Happy played on "The Rock" (Newfoundland, to all of you non-Canadians)... on the university's radio station. Well done Geoff! Beth ======================================================================== Date: 2 October 1992 13:03:20 CDT From: Subject: Special delivery from exile I received the following note from Courtney Dallas this morning, which I quote in pertinent part: >It has been a very busy last few months for me. I have been too busy to >even re subscribe to ECTO since I dont think it fair that I wont be able >to give ECTo my full attention that it deserves. > Please send everyone my >regards and let them know that as soon as life calms down I will be able to >see them again. Consider them sent, Court :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 3 Oct 92 23:40:47 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: MUZE and footah An extremely long time ago, on a system far, far away, Dirk wrote this: > During my researches I came across a big folio of medieval songs. One > of the nursery-rhymes goes like this: > Like a river joins the ocean > And the fish is in the sea > Like the Earth is still in motion > So the footah is in me. > A footnote says, that the author of this rhyme had been put to death > for heresy because he dared to call the cosmic system in question, which > asserted the Earth to be a fixed and flat disc. And he tried to > affect the children subliminally with his assumption that the Earth > is a rotating ball (see the third line). That got my mind fuzzing out and so I saved the message to go back to later. I was going through those messages and it clicked! On Foxtrot, at the end of "Supper's Ready" (during As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs-Aching Men's Feet) Peter sings: Can't you feel our souls ingnite Shedding ever changing colors In the darkness of the fading night Like the river joins the ocean As the germ in a seed grows We have finally been freed to get back home Well, it wasn't such an important revelation or anything, but I used to have a lot of fun trying to figure out Genesis lyrics and references. I got into Mythology because of Genesis and even wrote a schoolpaper on 'The Fountain of Salmacis." I learned about Pythagoras from Genesis. Oh, lots of other things...but they stimulated an interest in a lot of different subjects. There are still tons of references I still don't get on their early, and middle, albums. Thanks Dirk, for clearing that reference up for me. Vickie vickie@pilot.njin.net _________ |_ _ | _ Fuzzy Blue Wonderland "We're waking up |__|_ ||_| "There is a road straight yes it's good" to my heart" ======================================================================== Subject: what a strange experience Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 02:19:32 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu I am apparently utterly unused to people in my general vicinity knowing any Happy songs. About a month ago I made a compilation tape of mostly ethereal stuff. It was based around 3 albums I was loaned (Cranes, Cocteau Twins, and His Name is Alive), and while there are 10 or 12 tracks from those 3 albums, there are also lots of selections from 12 other albums, including _Ecto_ and _Warpaint_ (as well as a couple of Wim Mertens tracks, thank you Justin yet again for turning me onto this incredible composer through the HGP). The first time I ever listened to the tape after I made it, a friend asked me if he could borrow it and make a copy. After he gave me the tape back, he commented on a couple of songs (most notably Mertens' "No Testament" (we both adore the snare drum) and Arson Garden's "Lash") but hasn't mentioned the tape since then. I wasn't even sure if he was still listening to it. Yes, this *is* going somewhere...;-) Tonight, I was standing outside a restaurant chatting with a bunch of friends, and the aforementioned friend started to sing a lyric--all I caught was "pull your feelings out." I recognized it as "something I own" but I had no idea what it was (that started happening to me when my CD collection hit ~200--I'd hear songs on the radio and say, "I own this" but I'd have absolutely know idea what it was or who sang it!). It wasn't 'til I heard "dancing dead" and "walking toast" that I was able to join in. Unfortunately, my friend is a poor dance student at the Duke Ellington School for the Performing Arts, a magnet public high school for gifted creative students here in DC, and probably won't be buying any Happy albums anytime soon. By the time both of us were singing, another friend (the one who loaned me the three aforementioned CDs, and to whom I loaned _Ecto_, _Warpaint_, _The Visit_, and _Wisteria_) recognized what we were both singing and laughed. This friend is far more likely to buy some Happy material (especially after I explain that I won't tape the CDs for him for ethical reasons). He still wants to hear the 1st3 and see the monsters. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Subject: musings on "Ode" and "Where Do I Go?" Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 02:40:36 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Last week as I was driving to the beach for a giant kite festival, I was listening to "Ode" and thinking about the philosophy it espouses. In a sense, it deals with the godhead, because in it the narrator is drawing all the strength and love she needs directly from herself. It struck me that a Judeo-Christian might find it blasphemous because the strength is not coming from God/Jesus. It then struck me how utterly superfluous Happy's comment on the original Lyrics Project was in which she reassures the readers that she's not using the term "Lord" literally but rhetorically. In fact, even if we ignore all the other evidence about Happy's worldview, the Lord in "Where Do I Go?" must be rhetorical because of the very question posed at the heart of the song--anyone questioning the Lord in the first place probably has a pretty good idea, on faith, of where she is going. But anyway.... Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Subject: jealous! Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 03:02:08 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Recently, Vickie was discussing her (DJ) reasons for buying multiple copies of the same album, and I must admit to a bit o' that greeneyed monster popping up. Friends can attest to the times I've bought an absolutely wonderful album and then complained because I couldn't buy it again and experience the same thrill. There are so many albums I want to buy multiple copies of, but for me it is completely worthless to do so. It was neat to hear that for *some* people, there are perfectly good reasons to do such things. Vickie also said that _99.9 F^o_ is becoming (is?) her favorite SV album, and for now, at least, I have to agree. I listen to it constantly, and the songs I didn't care for much at first have grown on me. "Blood Makes Noise" is still my favorite track, but there's about an 6-way tie for second favorite. Some of those would include "As Girls Go" (is this about a transvestite, a drag queen, or a transsexual? I can't decide!), "In Liverpool", and "Fatman and Dancing Girl." On yet another note, I bought _Us_ on Thursday and have given it several listens. While I really like the album, it hasn't particularly jumped on me and screamed "I AM BRILLIANT" yet. There are some incredible songs, though. "Digging in the Dirt" is one of the standouts, as is "Blood of Eden" which is pretty incredible. "Come Talk to Me" is nice, but a bit long. In fact, that's my biggest complaint about the album. It seems like too many of the songs drag on and on. 4/5 of the songs are over 5 minutes, and half of them are over 6. I love a long song that doesn't drone (why else would I love "Supper's Ready" so much?) but when they're repetitive I get unhappy. Witness the song by Ferron, "Testament," I believe, though I could be wrong (I've only heard it once) which has *12* (count 'em!) verses. All of them are well written, and the last verse is a perfect closing to the song, but it's just too damned long! There *are* exceptions though, where a song will grow on me despite its length. One good example is "The Chase," which I absolutely adore in its entirety. Likewise "To Be E. Mortal", but that doesn't count because it's so dang soothing. I seem to be droning...like those songs... Anyway, I really do like _Us_, there just aren't as many songs that make me swoon the way Gabriel so often does (oh, that voice! At least that's perfect on this album. ) Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 12:00:33 EDT From: David N. Blank-Edelman Subject: oh that wacky Sinead... Howdy- Well, here's what Sinead's Saturday Night Live performance consisted of: 1) success has made a failure of our home 2) an acapella song I didn't recognize (theme: racism/ discrimination/ prejudeice exists and as a result we are at war with each other). Unfortunately the first song had her vocals buried in the mix (she had a very large string section on stage with her). The second song is sure to make some people unhappy because she said "and now right wins over wrong" (or something like that) and proceeded to rip a picture of the the Pope into pieces. She's not very happy with the Catholic church these days, is she? (she also complained about them in her Ms. article). As a side note, I noticed she was wearing a Jewish (i.e. 6-pointed) star necklace for her second song. Am I right in recalling that she is not Jewish? If so, I really wish she would have avoided wearing it. I hate when people co-opt other cultures' symbols for fashion statements. Peace, dNb ======================================================================== Subject: vagabond report #2 From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Sun, 04 Oct 92 16:40:54 GMT I'm late, I know. Back home for two weeks now, and still I haven't finished my vagabond reports. I should go into a corner and stand there embaressed (or a word of similar spelling) for an hour, if only I could stand for that long. I haven't even found the time to read all the back digests. Next, and last, stop on our vacation was Chicago, where not only a lot of ectophiles, but also another pack of 1st4 and another AG-T were waiting for us (after a short stop in California). Chicago, home of Ectophiles, book and record stores, and one of the two cities in the world where you can listen to "Suspended in Gaffa" on the radio, what we did. To my surprise I found out that quite a lot of the music I brought to Chicago was already in the new show. Vickie does her best that SiG becomes my favourite radio show. :) Thanks to Chip for taking care about us while in Chicago. Apart from the more touristic events in town and in Wisconsin, we visited a SF bookshop where we found quite a lot of 2nd hand book which were out of print (one was printed in '67) and on our search list for a long time. It was great meeting some more Ectophiles: Vickie, Chris, Jorn, Mitch, Mike, Charly. Unfortunately time was too short to talk enough to everybody. The day after our return, I missed the last step of our staircase and nearly broke a leg. So, for 11 days now, I have a foot in a plaster cast, which will hopefully be taken off on thursday. Unfortunately that also meant that I couldn't go to see Bel Canto last week although we already had tickets. Claudia saw them with a collegue now, and she plans to write about it soon. But the next concert is already near. In a couple of weeks we will see Youssou N'Dour. Well, back to reading back digests. Take care (mind the steps! :) Klaus. ___________________________________________________________ ( "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. ) ) Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." ( / --- Happy Rhodes --- \ / Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge klaus@inphobos.w.open.de \ ======================================================================== Date: 4-OCT-1992 15:30:26.91 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Reply to Vickie's reply Hi! >I'm not dependant on Chinet anymore. Thanks to Chip and Jessica I >have everything I need here. I may never log onto Chinet again! >Isn't that wonderful! I'm so happy! Yay! Now if I could only find a deal as good... this Internet thing is costing me buck$ since I moved out of the Middletown local calling area. :P >Great! Speaking of...I just posted something in gaffa about the 'welders. >Anyone who feels qualified is welcome (encouraged) to jump in and back >me up. I felt weird about pushing the Psychowelders on gaffa because of >the KC connection, but Richard Caldwell gave me a perfect opportunity Haven't seen it yet, but I will once I do! I put a review label on the CD and wrote what an awesome album it is and everyone should play it often. :) Those labels really do work, since a lot of people are cluless about new music and would pass over nonfamiliar things otherwise. If you give them an excuse to take the time to check it out, they often do... it helped when Warpaint was in the rack, too! My show went great today, technically and musically- people were calling in, which is always good. I actually had time to prepare for it- I woke up this morning in Middlebury, Vermont (but I do know how I got there ;) and had to drive five hours back all morning to make it in time. %) >I feel *SO* badly for Victoria! My ex-sister-in-law has MS so I know >what MS can do to people. (Anthony, aren't you involved with the >MS Foundation? You rode you bike?ran in a race? for an MS charity >right?) Victoria is a strong woman, and she should have years >before symptoms really start getting bad. I assume the benefit >for her medical bills was great fun!. You wouldn't happen to have >that NPR bit on tape would you? Sorry, no- I was on my way to work at the time and I'm lucky my car radio was functioning for me to hear it! (It only works if you bang the dashboard HARD, repeatedly, for about a minute. Then you hit a bump and it goes off again, sometimes for days... I have a crack in the dash on the sweet spot. :) >When Victoria was here (in the apartment! *swoon!*) she gave me her >home phone number. I've tried to call her a few times but she >is never home (kinda like some other musicians we know and love) >so I've left messages telling her that people are thinking of her, >that I'm still playing her music on my show, and if there's anything >we can do, please let us know. I told her to call collect, but I haven't >heard from her yet. She sings on her answering machine :-) so I'd >love to hook up a recorder somehow and tape her messages. It's so >wonderful to hear her voice. Well, she has been in the hospital a lot lately... how the hell did you get her into your apartment? (If I may ask- did you interview her on your show or something?) ============================================================================= Meredith Tarr m.tarr1@genie.geis.com America can't survive another four years... fight the idiocy on November 3rd ============================================================================= ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)