25-Oct-91 2:19:36-GMT,16875;000000000401 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27412; Thu, 24 Oct 91 22:07:13 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06411; Thu, 24 Oct 91 22:07:09 EDT Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 22:07:09 EDT Message-Id: <9110250207.AA06411@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #13 ecto, Number 13 Thursday, 24 October 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* license plates Stuff Rocket Man (for you non-gaffans who may care) Re: "Keyboards & Vocals" masons? Re: Happy Birthday dear Da-ave, Happy Birthday to you! Re: Posts from other places license plates IAMECTO (moer IAMECTO) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 10:17:37 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: license plates But what about: PHOBOS LAYMEDN NOTFRME 4WEBLV I'm sure I can think of more, but none of my albums are here right now. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 12:00:17 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Stuff Greetings, Let's here for Tuesday's children, obviously people with impeccable musical taste, though it's obvious we can't make music worth beans! As for license plate slogans, I'm in a weird mood today (I completely botched my X11R5pl3 installation yesterday, which kept a couple of people on my back ), so how about HAPPYRD for a bad pun?! Everyone will think you enjoy driving! (Well, you do with a Happy tape on!) Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: 24-OCT-1991 13:51:40.70 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Rocket Man (for you non-gaffans who may care) Hi! I posted my first impressions of "Rocket Man" to .gaffa yesterday- and I have since listened to it a second time. (I did so at the station, we didn't get the whole album but just the "RM" single, which, I may add, came in a plain jewel-box that I had to label myself so people would know what it was!) My first thought was, oh, goddess, this sucks. My second thought was, this still sucks. I'd originally hoped it would grow on me (like fungus :), but I don't think it will- although it's been bopping around my brain ever since I first heard it! :) WHY THE HELL DID SHE DO IT REGGAE?!? She took one of Elton John's most powerful songs (IMO) and turned it into Kate Goes UB40. Christ, the thing sounds like the annoying summertime commercial for Publix supermarkets they've inflicted on Florida residents for the past three years... I like the song as a song. But *not* as an attempt to reproduce "Rocket Man". "Levon", maybe- but not this one. I was expecting something along the lines of "This Woman's Work" in instrumentation (or lack thereof) and "Under The Ivy" and "Wuthering Heights" in vocal intensity, and, well, that's certainly not what I got... I can't think of an officially released song where her voice is as silly-giddy as it is in "RM", but quite a few of the demos come to mind. I guess what I'll have to do is stop listening to the lyrics (easy enough- you can't hear them over the instrumentation and her swallowing them anyway) and just think of it as Something From Kate To Tide Me Over Until The Album Comes Out. That way, I'll be able to enjoy it- for all my bitching, it is an enjoyable tune- for the wrong song, but an enjoyable romp nonetheless. (I do, however, sincerely hope this is NOT the "new direction" she was talking about heading off in...) That all made *no* sense, did it? Sorry. :) Sorry for going on about KaTe over here, but I've been posting a lot to .gaffa lately and they're going to get sick of me real soon. But Jorn- you started it! :) :) :) Vickie or Jessica or anyone in the know- has Happy heard "RM" yet? ================================================================================ Meredith Tarr "There's a fine line between a groove and a rut." mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu -Christine Lavin Wesleyan University "Prisoners of their Hairdos" ================================================================================ ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 14:19:52 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Re: "Keyboards & Vocals" Jorn says: > (if she hasn't learned to program the new generation of synth, can't we > blame that on poor interface design? why should an artist have to program, > dammit!?) poor interface design is the big problem here, to be sure. nonetheless, i have to ask: why can't programming be artistic? when i work in my studio, i am pushing buttons, typing in sequence commands, defining iconic MIDI processing patches (with the Max package from IRCAM, if anyone cares), tweaking sound parameters, and generally doing more hardware and software work than i do in my job as a computer software engineer. is it artistic? am i doing music. damn straight, it is and i am!! look at the user interface on a violin, or a piano, or even a drum: it takes years of training and the learning of very specialized skills to use traditional musical instruments. i believe the restrictions and limitations enforced by the artistic environment, be it an instrument, a musical group, a set of paints and canvases, or a synthesizer, focus and guide the creative process -- sometimes, 'doing art' is most interesting when the tools are most frustrating. Happy created four *incredible*, life-altering albums with (compared to anything KaTe has used since she was 16 or so...) very primitive equipment. it would be interesting to know if she felt the "programming" was a distraction from or a basic part of her artistic goals and work. footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "if love is a game, i win..." ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 13:23:31 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu Subject: Re: "Keyboards & Vocals" I wrote: >>why should an artist have to program, dammit!? greg answers (by email): >why can't programming be artistic? oh, yes, it can, but it's a million times harder to achieve art thru numbers than thru gestures. i'd like her to be able to wave a magic mouse-wand and zero in on the perfect sound just by listening to the changes. it's a leftbrain/ rightbrain kind of thing (...you'd only half-understand! ;^) (i'm a programmer btw, but bust my brain searching for the *poetic* algorithm...) (Vickie-- are you waiting for me to do the first half of the DCD article? Here's the meatiest ^H^H^H^H^H veggiest part: Formed in 1981, DCD started its career playing a post-punk brand of music that Perry says was roughly in the realm of Gang of Four or Joy Division. A Londoner whose family emigrated to New Zealand, Perry had first encountered Gerrard in 1980 when she was playing accordion and busking on the streets of Melbourne-- her performances including bits of invented language that were precursors to the free-form vocalizing found on some tracks of "Aion". That's just 1/16th of the whole article, from last Friday's Trib.) =========================================================================== Jorn Barger, Northwestern U., Chicago, Illinois. barger@ils.nwu.edu "And crazyheaded Jorn, the bulweh born?" _Finnegans Wake_ 513.07 =========================================================================== ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 15:14 EDT From: Subject: masons? first off, a welcome to jessica's new work station, ecto!!! =) may it not crash as often as rumple did! RE: ecto #12-- in the birthday list that was compiled, i noticed that the corresponding astrological signs were also included. next to mine was the word 'mason'. what exactly is this?? and i thought i was a taurus/gemini!!!!! =) i'm hoping to have my first happy convert sometime soon...lent my friend julie all her stuff that i have on tape... court sis-- how are you feeling? you've been so quiet today (24 10 91) kirst sis-- where the hell have you been?????????????????????? =) michy ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 15:47:44 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Re: "Keyboards & Vocals" Jorn says: >>why should an artist have to program, dammit!? i say: >why can't programming be artistic? Jorn says: > oh, yes, it can, but it's a million times harder to achieve art thru > numbers than thru gestures. i'd like her to be able to wave a magic > mouse-wand and zero in on the perfect sound just by listening to the > changes. i gotcha, but this kinda bypasses my point that, except for pure vocal music, *all* music involves using some kind of technology. now, most traditional instruments have a mechanical basis, and many modern instruments have an electronic basis, and these approaches engage different aspects of the musician -- nonetheless, i find nothing organic about, say, a full orchestral score for a Vaughan Williams symphony. no matter how physical and ethereal the music, it's got elements that are purely typographical/numerical/etc.... Eno has said some interesting things about creativity being driven by limitations -- he will invent rules that make his equipment *more* difficult to use, just to prompt him to develop new ideas. Adrian Belew and the members of Sonic Youth retune their guitars in wierd ways for the same reason. there is a joke or quote (i dunno the source) about how you sculpt: just chip away anything that *isn't* the statue. making music with numbers instead of gestures is, perhaps, like chipping away the marble so it fits through the door, but who knows, you may look at the chopped off remnant and see a shape that otherwise would have escaped you... > it's a leftbrain/ rightbrain kind of thing (...you'd only half-understand! > ;^) heh, someone on the net somewhere mentioned a t-shirt seen at a boston civil rights rally: "it's a gay thing -- let us help you understand" footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "come here..." ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 17:24:06 EDT From: jessica Subject: Re: Happy Birthday dear Da-ave, Happy Birthday to you! Joe (my husband) isn't on the list anymore, but he's sort of still on it through me :) We ought to add his birthday too : May 7, 1952. (yes, it's a 2) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 17:26:25 EDT From: jessica Subject: Re: Posts from other places re: license plates I love INAINA and MIAIAIO. NJ only lets you have 6 letters i tihnk, so i'd have to go with INAINA. though only if "ecto" is already taken :) ooh don't get me thinking. Hey, my birthday is tuesday! .. "ECTO" would be *perfect* for my car.. I'll have to see if i can convince someone to get me ECTO plates :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 17:24:06 EDT From: jessica Subject: Re: Happy Birthday dear Da-ave, Happy Birthday to you! Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 17:24:06 EDT From: jessica Subject: Re: Happy Birthday dear Da-ave, Happy Birthday to you! Joe (my husband) isn't on the list anymore, but he's sort of still on it through me :) We ought to add his birthday too : May 7, 1952. (yes, it's a 2) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 17:26:25 EDT From: jessica Subject: Re: Posts from other places Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 17:26:25 EDT From: jessica Subject: Re: Posts from other places re: license plates I love INAINA and MIAIAIO. NJ only lets you have 6 letters i tihnk, so i'd have to go with INAINA. though only if "ecto" is already taken :) ooh don't get me thinking. Hey, my birthday is tuesday! .. "ECTO" would be *perfect* for my car.. I'll have to see if i can convince someone to get me ECTO plates :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== From: foster@magnum.convex.com (Harry Foster) Subject: Re: "Keyboards & Vocals" Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 20:52:14 CDT > Jorn says: > >>why should an artist have to program, dammit! > > Greg say: > >why can't programming be artistic? Hey, what a great scenario for a new Startrek: : Dammit Jim, I'm an artist not a computer programmer! :) :) Actually, I've often wondered if there is a correlation between musical artistic ability and mathematics. I studied music composition as a starving student which led me to the conclusion that I didn't want to be a starving musician. :) Hence, I chose the path of mathematics getting my undergraduate in Electrical Engineering and Masters in Computer Science. Deep down, there is still a closeted rock-n-roll guitarist just waiting to be released. I've also noticed this correlation of music and math in a few of my friends. How 'bout the rest of you ? Have you noticed this relationship ? -- Harry Foster foster@convex.com "A man should be greater than some of his parts." -Peter DeVries ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 16:11:15 EDT From: The Cat's Sister - Merow Subject: license plates well im sorry but no one can get: IAMECTO because that is reserved for my car :-P but you can always have: WERECTO RWEHERE kIrI ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 22:04:11 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: IAMECTO but kiri, so long as we're in different states we *can* have the same plates!! :) jessica ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Oct 91 22:04:56 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: (moer IAMECTO) though of course i'd *have* to get just "ECTO" so there would be ECTO: the car. :) jessica ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! 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