12-Oct-91 19:37:02-GMT,18411;000000000401 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25880; Sat, 12 Oct 91 15:36:52 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25271; Sat, 12 Oct 91 15:36:48 EDT Date: Sat, 12 Oct 91 15:36:48 EDT Message-Id: <9110121936.AA25271@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #3 ecto, Number 3 Saturday, 12 October 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Warpaint Getcher gen-u-ine Happy Rhodes collector's items here Baby Animals Warpaint, again Re: Warpaint, again Re: Warpaint, again Re: Getcher gen-u-ine Happy Rhodes collector's items here Who... Ecto SIG additions & Ethereal Suggestions Little sparkles of gold Re: Ecto SIG additions & Ethereal Suggestions ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 11 Oct 91 01:50:21 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Warpaint I got a package slip for it Tuesday. I picked it up Wednesday, and also got a short letter from Happy packed with it (I agree with Vickie that it's way cool to be able to write a letter to Happy to order an album and get a reply back). I didn't manage to get it copied onto tape until this evening (I don't own a CD player . . . yet) and also listened to it for the first time. First impressions are good. My friend the potential Happy fan liked it too, so I've left my CD with him so he can listen to it. The sound is definitely a departure from the first four albums; my friend joked about it sounding "sell-out", in that it has a more commercial and polished atmosphere. Darn, I got a CD with the barcode, so I missed out on the real collector's items. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 11 Oct 91 06:18 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Subject: Getcher gen-u-ine Happy Rhodes collector's items here *********************** ATTENTION **************************** People of Ecto, you have a chance to get a true collector's item! The first issue of the Ectozine will be out shortly. Jessica will set aside issues for those people who have subscribed to the zine. She will send those issues (only 10 so far) to Happy and Happy will autograph them and send them on to the subscribers. Get it? You have to be a *subscriber* or else Happy won't get your issue to sign. Got it? You must pay Jessica for your subscription. Good! Now get out those checkbooks... Jessica, what's that address again? Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1991 01:05 +8:00 From: SVODOPIER@cc.curtin.edu.au Subject: Baby Animals kIrI writes: > i have a cd single of one of [Imago's] bands called Baby Animals > from Australia. I don't like it.... Well, yeah... they are very commercial-type rock'n'roll. I think they have two current singles (one average and one pretty boring) and an album (of course) to go with them. Actually, I sorta know the bass player from Baby Animals... he used to teach bass to my friend who lives next door, and I jammed with them once on drums. Small world, eh? > too bad they don't sign real talent like Happy :) Well, of course... though I have the feeling that a record contract will be in the wind before next year... not long now! On an unrelated note, has anyone there heard much from Gyan? I believe she is Australian...I know she has some great music. Has she made it overseas? And of course, has she made it right to the pinnacle of the industry, to Vickie's "Suspended in Gaffa" show ? Yours in Happiness, Martin ,---------------------------+---------------------------------------n------. | Feel the searing heat of | Martin Dougiamas. ,-\_/ \ | | heightened conciousness. | SDOUGIAMA@cc.curtin.edu.au / | \ | | Feel the yearning for | Curtin University \ |_ / | | pieces of Happy-ness. | Perth, Western Australia. ----> x-' `_' | `===========================+=======================================V======' ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 11 Oct 91 10:32:04 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Warpaint, again This album just gets better and better. Happy is a genius. Either Happy will get a recording contract or Aural Gratification will become a major label on its own. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 11 Oct 91 14:52:51 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Re: Warpaint, again Steve says: > This album just gets better and better. Happy is a genius. > Either Happy will get a recording contract or Aural Gratification > will become a major label on its own. ah, i *like* that! who needs warner brothers! forget distribution deals! in five years, the albany post office will be buying trucks just to ship CDs back and forth from AG... and Happy will have been cloned in order to autograph all those albums... ;-} footah in all directions! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "come here..." ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: Warpaint, again Date: Fri, 11 Oct 91 14:55:21 EDT Hi, Steve writes: >This album just gets better and better. Happy is a genius. >Either Happy will get a recording contract or Aural Gratification >will become a major label on its own. I have another Happy story. I have been frantically playing Warpaint recently. My roommate, who thought Happy's music was morbid and TOO mellow, was around when I repeatedly played Terra Incognita, in my effort to understand the Oriental man story. He asked me: That's NOT Happy, is it? I told him that it was, and forced him to listen to 'Warpaint' and 'Lay me down'. Needless to say he now wants to buy the tape, to send to some friends of his in Greece. I doubt he'll go throught the mail-order route, but it's an example of how people react to Happy's music. Another case. I was alone at the office, and blasting my Happy collection tape. Somebody walked in and asked me what I was listening to, and what was the ghostly figure on my Visual X-display. And I went through the whole story... An office-mate of mine (a KaTe fan) decided that the reason most stations don't play Happy, is because thay don't know what to do with her music. It's not really folk, it's definitely not alternative (but then what is?) and it's not rhythmic. Considering that 'RutH (DwG)' is the KaTe song most frequently played, I agree. Then Happy cannot fit into an 'easy-listening' format, because she's more obscure than Bette Midler, Phil Collins and whatever these radio-stations play. I foresee an excellent future for Happy, and I hope that the Philly success will trigger the corporate interest in her music. As long as she persists and doesn't give up on promotional aspects she WILL succeed. Angelos PS. My Happy collage poster is ready and I'll pick it up tomorrow...Can't wait. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 11 Oct 91 18:25:02 EDT From: jessica Subject: Re: Getcher gen-u-ine Happy Rhodes collector's items here The address for subscribing to Ecto: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 $8 for 8 issues in one year :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== From: Jeanne B Schreiter Subject: Who... Date: Sat, 12 Oct 91 9:48:58 CDT Jessica... One last bit of curiousity. In the $8/year... Who does one make the check out to? Jeanne ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 12 Oct 91 03:56 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Subject: Ecto SIG additions & Ethereal Suggestions Vickie here. Joel Malman and Dave Steiner, you're both on the list for the Ecto SIG. Daniel, got your message. Postage should be around $1.00 per tape. I was going to send them Priority Mail, but that's $2.90 (ouch!) a tape. First Class will do. Steve, I'm so glad you like Warpaint....yay! Angelos, I can't wait to hear what your poster looks like. Ethereal alternative music for Brian? Hmmm... I agree with the recommendations for Area. I have all their albums but my favorite one is still _The Perfect Dream_. None of the others, as much as I like them, even come close to being as good as that one. Beautiful Pea Green Boat has a much harder edge, so I'd be wary calling them "ethereal" though they have some etherealish songs. They only have one album so far. Don't know what they're up to. They are in the same sort of category I'd put Lush into. Angelos was right about Eleftheria. I like her a lot. I don't hear her as being Enyaish at all though, but I can understand the connection. Hex is in a category of Beautiful Pea Green Boat-type groups (ethereal with a hard edge) and my favorite album is their first, self-titled. Their second album (_Vast Halos_) is good, but not as ethereal. A.C. Marias' album _One Of Our Girls Has Gone Missing_ is definitely edgy ethereal. I like it quite a bit. Woj, do you know the lead singer's name? I've seen it written, but forgot what it was. Virginia Astley is softer, weirder, ethereal, sometimes with a beat, but not in a dance style. She has one album that you might find in used record stores (it is on CD too) and just recently appeared on Dave Stewart's movie soundtrack album _Lily Was Here_. Brian, I assume you've heard The Innocence Mission? Nuff said. Indian-flavored ethereal prize goes to Sheila Chandra. Her album _Quiet_ is the ultimate in ethnic ethereal. She has others, all of which I like, but she tends to be uneven. I like her so much that I'm willing to put up with the occasional bad song. I agree with bilbo about _The Walking_ being Jane's most etherealish album. It's also my favorite, though i truly love them all. Others I'd recommend: All About Eve (English ethereal) Hugo Largo (demented ethereal) Sam Phillips (intelligent pop ethereal) The Shakers (literary ethereal) The Telling (Bay Area ethereal) Najma (more Indian ethereal) The Bulgarian Chorus (East European ethereal) and the ultimate ethereal... Julee Cruise There are tons more, but those are the ones I can think of right off the top of my head. Vickie ps, yeah, Baby Animals stink! pps, Martin, I've never heard of Gyan. Maybe you could send me a tape sometime. I think I've played more New Zealand artists than Australian. ppps, I have the Connie Champaign album and I like it. It's intelligent and interesting cabaret, a genre which usually makes me puke. Any cabaret artist who covers (wonderfully) They Might Be Giants, Iggy Pop and David Bowie and Lou Reed on the same album is OK by me :-) I feel weird even calling her cabaret, because that could lead to mis-interpretation. It's (hey, get this!) "alternative" cabaret, the likes of which you'll never hear in a Holiday Inn. Another alternative cabaret artist that I've recently come across is Agnes Burnelle (sp?) Does anyone know anything about her? ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 12 Oct 91 03:50 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Subject: Little sparkles of gold Vickie here. Here comes my soul again... David writes: >> I've been holding off getting Happy's pre-Warpaint albums because they >> are not available on CD. When Happy gets a record deal (and she will, >> right?) is there any possibility that the old albums will be released >> on CD? With the success of _Warpaint_ might Happy re-release these >> albums on CD herself? Although her cassettes are Dolby, etc. I don't >> find the cassette format to be very convenient. and Jessica answered: > David, Happy plans to put the first 4 on CD even if she > *doesn't* get a record contract - it's not her highest > priority, she's rather work on the new album and the tour > than anything else right now, and it's not an entirely > inexpensive endeavour, but she *definitely* plans to put > them on CD - most likely with additional previously un-released > tracks, too :) David K, Brian and probably a few other people have decided to wait until the 1st4 come out on CD. Understandable, in a way. I'd like to have them on CD myself. Plus I do understand about cassettes being unweildy and inconvenient. However... I could talk about the collector's value of these cassettes. I have already. About how H&K dub each cassette real time (Kevin told me that whenever he dubs a cassette he'll generally listen to it as it's being dubbed. He says it's great! He gets to listen to Happy all the time, it's not a chore at all to dub them) and Happy takes the negatives of her photos of the monsters to a photo shop and gets prints made up. She cuts out each photo and pastes it onto the cassette label. She used to type in the song titles herself, but now usually uses a photocopy. She pastes on that spine label, takes it to a place where she (or Kevin) can get it shrinkwrapped, then Happy (most often) packages it/them up and takes the package to the post office to mail. All this makes these cassettes (to me) priceless and irreplaceable. Collector's items? Certainly. Cherishable items? Absolutely. How many artists of Happy's calibur take such a hands-on role in getting their music out to people? When she makes some sort of breakthrough, H&K will not have time to do these things. There will be a long limbo time, where they'll be too busy with promotion/recording/whatever to dub these cassettes, but will not yet have the $12,000 needed to put them on CD. Maybe you can wait, but that brings me to my second point. Even if you're not someone who takes interest in "collectable/cherishable items" then think about them this way: You are missing out on some of the most wonderful music ever recorded, IMHO. I'm treading on the shaky ground that got me in trouble in gaffa, but I feel much more comfortable laying bare my soul here than there, so I'll continue. You don't know what you're missing if you haven't heard the music on the 1st4, but I'm here to tell you that those albums are filled with some of the most heart-breakingly beautiful, soul-churningly honest, awesome-inspiringly delicate and gut-wrenchingly brutal music ever put onto tape. It's simple and subtle, for all of that. It's music that will worm its way into your conciousness, seep into your soul, glide into your heart and meld into your brain. Don't think of these as "cassettes" and think of them as _music_. Music that you're cheating yourself out of, the longer you wait to get them. They're not "cassettes" to me, they are little cases of priceless, timeless magic. Pure and simple magic. Why put off having such a gift of gold in your possesion? Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1991 14:20:13 -0500 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: Ecto SIG additions & Ethereal Suggestions Concerning the ethereal thread: thanks for all the suggestions! I had typed in my original list of possessions while all work, and forgot that I already have Hex, A.C.Marias, and Shiela Chandra. But I did jot down the others for my shopping list. I listened to The Innocense Mission in a store and found them to sound VERY much like 10,000 Maniacs. i can see people really liking both. A thread in Rec.music.misc says that Sarah McLachlan's Solace has been postponed indefinitely... Rats! I was all set to rush out and buy it. Lucky for those who picked it up in Canada... I would love to be able to get the 1st4 Happys on tape, but for $45 or so at this point, I really can't just plop that much many down. 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