Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #881 ecto, Number 881 Wednesday, 24 November 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: QUESTIONS. . . Re: D'Cuckoo, and howdy! D'Cuckoo (more) Re: stuff Re: Lestat-of-the-art ectopics anne rice paper and librarians Mae Moore & Sarah McLachlan & ecto librarians Re: Claudia and the Sea Nymph persephone/jerry lewis/pat metheny/david bowie HR Encyclopedia Thanks for the birthday greetings! Things of dubious importance Sarah McLachlan opinion stunt kite competitions Baby Don't Go D'Cuckoo ordering info ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 18:21:43 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (the horizon you run to) Subject: Re: QUESTIONS. . . Melissa Nordsiek sez: >*a friend told me he is going to Curve...i am wondering, are they >making a pit stop in chicago? curve's cuckoo tour is as follows: 11/13 atlanta, ga 11/15 austin, tx 11/16 houston, tx 11/17 dallas, tx 11/19 boulder, co 11/22 phoenix, az 11/24 los angelos, ca 11/26 san francisco, ca 11/29 seattle, wa 11/30 vancouver, ca 12/04 chicago, il 12/05 minneapolis. mn 12/07 detroit, mi 12/09 montreal, ca 12/11 boston, ma 12/13-14 washington, dc 12/15 new york, ny 12/16 philadelphia, pa (taken from a postcard that the curve folk sent me last week - consult local listings for locations) +woj ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 19:07:37 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (the horizon you run to) Subject: Re: D'Cuckoo, and howdy! c.furnald@genie.geis.com sez: >And I guess I should introduce myself, yes? I am a free-lance music writer, > a musician (sometimes professional, currently on temporary ametuer staus) > and a volunteer DJ at a community radio station (WPKN in Bridgeport CT, > 89.5 FM... plug, plug...) was wondring when you'd find your way to ecto, cliff. welcome aboard! (p.s. to everybody else, cliff is also storehouse of musical knowledge which i keep meaning to tap, a wacky individual and a general all-around nice guy (tm)). +woj ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 16:17:45 PST From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: D'Cuckoo (more) Hi, Cliff (welcome!) writes: > Angelos, does D'Cuckoo have any recordings vailable, and if > they do, do you know an address? It's a complicated story. They have been around since 1985, and have released various things. I have a tape 'D'Cuckoo (formerly We*be)', and two CD's 'D'Cuckoo' and 'Umoja'. The tape has 4 songs of which three are remixed in 3-d sound for the CD (or re-recorded for all I know). The new CD 'Umoja' (Swahili for Unity) won't be released til Feb. 1994, but it should be available by mail order. I will post the ordering info tomorrow, unless Dave posts that info (hint :)) and all he knows about the band (which I assure you is more than I do). > They sound great! They *are* great. Even though they embrace technology, they manage to incorporate tribal chants and bring a sense of warmth and fun in their performances that lacks from other synth-based bands (I won't name any but their names start with D). They also have great taste in the covers they do. 'No one receiving' (Eno) is on their first CD, and 'Ruby Tuesday' on their second. More later, Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 14:15:43 +1200 From: sainty_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Subject: Re: stuff imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) writes: >Has anyone seen anything done with them except eat them au naturel? Yup... Sometimes I eat them with my clothes _on_... :-) Philip (couldn't resist:) ======================================================================== From: louis@netcom.com (Roy Sette) Subject: Re: Lestat-of-the-art Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 17:26:47 PST >The name in question here is *Louis*, not Lewis. The reason this bothers me at >all is that Louis is a French character, and I am also a fan of the French >language. It disturbs me a bit to hear his name pronounced "Lewis", but to see >it spelled that way...Well, just don't, okay? "Ah louie, louie, oh baby, we gotta go now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah..." Don't mind me. I just like seeing my name in print. :-) -- Roi Louis <=== Politically correct French name. Oui! louis@netcom.com ======================================================================== Date: 23 Nov 1993 17:14:07 U From: "emilyb" Subject: RE: D'Cuckoo (more) I'm surprised nobody's mentioned the Midi-ball (tm)! Dave - how about a description? -- Emily ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 20:32:59 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (the horizon you run to) Subject: ectopics dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) sez: >Are you still in touch with the Dots Will Echo guy, woj? By the way, >is he Bob Albanese, Steve Meltzer, or Nick Berry? um. got me. none of the names sound familiar. steve meltzer seems the most likely though since it's the one that i'm least likely to remember. :) Suspended In Duct Tape sez: >I haven't said anything about The Nields here, but now I am- i've been meaning to mention them here as well since meredith and i (hey, and cliff too, for that matter!) saw them a while back at a benefit for wxpn in norwalk, ct. acoustic folk rock kinda hits the mark, though i'd take out the "folk" part myself. besides the live album meredith mentioned, there is also a studio album called _66 hoxsey street_ which i haven't heard yet. i've been told, too, that they are defintely a live band and i can sort of hear that when i compare my memory of their show with the live album (which we scrounged together our pennies to buy). one thing they have going for them is songwriting - some incredible lyrics and imagery gets tossed about (and when someone who doesn't list lyrics on his high priority list says that, you might do well to consider that). you can order either album on tape or cassette for $11/$16 post-paid by sending orders to: the nields c/o loomis chaffee school windsor, ct 06095 >Well gang, if I don't join you all again before the weekend, to all the >Americophiles a wonderful and satisfyingly stuffing (hah) Turkey Day to >you. Don't explode or anything. "it's just...wafer thin..." +woj ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 20:26:59 CST From: Courtney Subject: anne rice paper and librarians i felt like i needed to clarify a few points.. michael and jeffy: i too am a MLS student..its the older generation who are computer phobic and complain about technical advances and make my life and job difficult that i want to shake up!! I have a few ALabama fundies in my class..cant wait to see their faces as i read aloud the more lurid passages! This is not meant as a criticism of fundies per say (see above)..but is only meant to show that there are narrow minded people in my class! Anyway..i am collecting requests for a copy of the paper...keep them coming. I am almost done with it! Courtney ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1993 19:45:47 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: Mae Moore & Sarah McLachlan & ecto librarians Anthony asked which picture is on the cover of the Canadian issue of Mae Moore's _Bohemia_--it's the one on the last page of the U.S. booklet of her sitting on a doorstep looking rather gamin. You were also asking about Sarah McLachlan. She's another Canadian, from Halifax and currently living in Vancouver, B.C. She records for Nettwerk, a Canadian label that has net access. Her third album was just released in Canada, and will be released in the U.S. (and other places??) in January. The albums are _Touch_, _Solace_ and _Fumbling Toward Ecstacy_. She has a lovely voice--I would say most like Sinead's than any other ecto singers. Her lyrics are impressionistic, and the music itself is gentle but passionate. So Michael and Jeffy and Courtney are MLS's. Jim's another, but he's an MLIS (Library and Information Science). Another oxymoron, kinda like where I work, Urban Design. Jim's connection has been down for about a week but is finally up and running again. If anyone sent him messages they may have bounced but jmg@rocket.com (aka the RocketMan) exists again. Michael Peskura has gone to Vancouver for a vacation this week. We miss him already. :( --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Claudia and the Sea Nymph Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 21:02:31 PST From: Eli Brandt > Now I know that "me too" postings are generally frowned on as being > poor netiquette, O well... > but I just want to say that until the (presumably > correct) Sea Nymph reading was discussed here recently I hadn't reand > seanymph as anything other than Sean... the Ymph being assumed to be > some initials of little import. I'd always read it as <"Sean"> which is at least 140 degrees off from the correct meaning. I guess this is a Rorsha^H^H^Hsa^H^H^H^H^Hinkblot test of sorts. Amazing the difference a capital letter can make... ObEcto: excavating, I found an old, unlabeled Joni Mitchell tape that I think I copied from my parents. It's on its third run through the tape deck now... > Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) Eli ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (It's "Rorschach"; I just looked it up.) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 02:00:58 EST From: mojzes@monet.vill.edu (brni) Subject: persephone/jerry lewis/pat metheny/david bowie hi there, still not caught up reading. what can i say, its been a long long past few days. (deep breath) not bad, but long... lessee if i'm still coherant enough to reply in a sane manner to some posts. i had 2 or 3 cups of coffee at band practice, which is a lot, since i don't drink coffee, so i'm really wired right now, but that doens't mean i'll make sense. >Be careful eating pomegranates: REMEMBER PERSEPHONE! > um, my hamilton's _mythology_ is in a box on the attic. could you remind me...? >Holly > *********************** >> hmmmm. i actually liked "loving the alien"--it was the best song off >> the _lets dance_ album. > >That's one of my fave Bowie songs, too. But it's from "Tonight", not >"Let's Dance". > oops. you are very right. what can i say, i just found that whole series of albums very forgetable. >> "this is not america" is not bowie. well, it's him singing, but he >> didn't write the song or perform the music. that was done by pat >> metheny and lyle mays and can be found on the soundtrack of "the falcon >> and the snowman" (which is all very worthwhile music, btw). another >> p.m./l.m. album of worth is _offramp_. there was another song that >> bowie sang on but didn't write that was really amazing: "cat people." >> bowie *did* release that one as a single himself, but he rewrote the >> music for it, and made it sound just like everything he wrote for >> _lets dance_, and it was horrible. > >Two others of my favorites -- but it isn't really accurate to say that >they're not Bowie. He cowrote them, much like he does with a large >chunk of his 80s material (as with Carlos Alomar or Eno or Iggy Pop >or...) > again i stand corrected. i should have checked the credits first before i opened my mouth. i don't have the soundtrack for cat people, so i can't check that one. >I'd strongly recommend Metheny & Mays's "As Falls Wichita So Far >Wichita Falls". It's almost Floydian is scope and well played. > the other metheny album that i really love is "american garage." the newer metheny stuff (post-offramp) is not, imho, as good as the earlier stuff. ******************* > *I* pictured John Malcovitch as Lestat (or, at least, Lewis...Who >*IS* playing Lewis, anyway????). There's a coolness/tragic quality about what, jerry lewis as lestat? now *there's* an idea!!! >Chris Sampson >chris@neuron.uchc.edu > well, thats enuf for now. i'll drink some more "sandman" tea (that's what its called! really!) and see if i can get to sleep. ta, brni ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 23 Nov 93 23:27:00 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: persephone/jerry lewis/pat metheny/david bowie > what, jerry lewis as lestat? now *there's* an idea!!! "Lady! Lady! *chomp suck suck suck suck* Waaaaaaa! " Probably the closest thing Jerry Lewis came to a horror film was "The Day the Clown Cried", which was *so* bad it was never released. D^2 ======================================================================== From: p.cohen@genie.geis.com Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 06:04:00 BST Subject: HR Encyclopedia Just downloaded the HR Encyclopedia from the archive and I'd like to congratulate all who worked on it. Very nice work. +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ +---+ Paul Cohen +---+ P.COHEN@genie.geis.com +---+ +---+ 5500 Wissahickon Ave +---+ 70703.3126@compuserve.com +---+ +---+ Apt 512B +---+ PMCOHEN@aol.com +---+ +---+ Philadelphia, PA 19144 +---+ PMCOHEN@delphi.com +---+ +------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 10:21:22 +0200 From: spix@WSAS01.site.uni-wuppertal.de (Claudia Spix) Subject: Thanks for the birthday greetings! Dearest Ecto friends! :):):) I'd like to thank everybody very much who wished me a Happy Birthday! I don't think I'll manage to thank everyone personally, but consider yourself *** hugged !!! *** Love, Claudia P.S.: Please do not try to send anything to this account, it is brandnew and unfortunately still mostly one-way 8-P. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudia Spix, Wuppertal Claudia@inphobos.wupper.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ======================================================================== Subject: Things of dubious importance Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 20:50:47 +1100 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Jessica announces: > Hello, I'm finally going through lists of "things I need to do".. I have to make myself a "things to do" list. It's on my list of things to do. > I've put some things up in the archive! I am listing here only > /pub/hr/ectophiles/* ------------------------------------------------------ > > brianb.gif - portrait of Brian Bloom > brianb2.gif - Brian Bloom with his girlfriend, Mindy > > From Christine Waite: > > /pub/hr/ectophiles/* ------------------------------------------------------ > > christine_waite.gif - picture of Christine Waite Got my pic up in there, or should I send it to you...? :-) Eric delivers a DCD bio, not written by him: > In September 1993, Dead Can Dance - Brendan Perry and Lisa Gerrard - > release their new album Into The Labyrinth. Brendan Perry lives on an > island in a river on the border between Eire and Northern Ireland; Lisa > Gerrard lives in the Snow River mountains in Australia. As a result, I am actually sure she lives in a Melbourne suburb, actually. Her husband certainly does...! Me, myself, I produce one of the silliest header lines of 1993: > X-Unparseable-Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 02:38:20 EST-10EDT Bah! And I thought I had it fixed! Saving the fix to disk might have helped. It's really really fixed now, honest! Klaus emotes... > Subject: Today's your birthday darling.... > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > ( " ) ( " ) _ _ ( " ) i*i*i*i*i*i ( " ) ( " ) _ _ > \./ _ _ \./ ( " ) \./ *************** \./ _ _ \./ ( " ) _ _ > _ _( " ) _ _ \./ ***HAPPY******* _ _ ( " ) _ _ \./ ( " ) > ( " )\./ ( " ) _ _ ********BIRTHDAY*** ( " ) \./ ( " ) _ _ \./ > \./ \./ ( " ) ******************* \./ \./ ( " ) > _ _ _ _ \./ ***** Claudia Spix **** _ _ \./ _ _ > ( " ) _ _ ( " ) *********************** ( " ) _ _ ( " ) > \./ ( " ) \./ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \./ ( " ) \./ > \./ \./ Awwwwww.... :-) Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== From: "Greg O'Rear" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 08:14:57 EST5EDT Subject: Sarah McLachlan opinion Anthony queries (referring to Sarah McLachlan): > Okay, I'll bite. Who is she, what does she sound like, what label's she on, > and what's the EctoOpinion? :-) All I have is "Solace," but here's my impression anyway: her voice reminds me of Sinead O'Connor, but not as powerful. Sarah yodels up and down between two pitches, like Sinead does a lot, but Sarah's voice isn't as strong as Sinead's, and tends to drift off-pitch a bit sometimes. "Solace" has some pretty good songs on it. I like it enough to want to hear her other stuff, especially "Fumbling Towards Ecstasy" that everyone is raving about. I prefer Sarah's stuff to, say, Dead Can Dance or Miranda Sex Garden (DCD: I have the compilation; if I wanted to hear Bulgarian singing, I'd listen to my many CD's of Les Mysteres...; I don't get into Brendan's voice) (MSG: I had "Iris" and "Madra," but gave them away, since the Elizabethan stuff kinda bored me). I'd say I enjoyed "Solace" and "The Moon Seven Times" about equally. The singer for M7x tended to drift off-pitch, too, but the album was enjoyable nonetheless. Oh, yeah, Sarah's on Nettwerk, isn't she? On the whole, a thumbs-up. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Greg O'Rear E-mail: orear@ise.ufl.edu Industrial and Systems Engineering Department Phone: (904) 392-3389 University of Florida, Gainesville, Florida FAX: (904) 392-3537 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Subject: stunt kite competitions Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 09:26:52 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu A few folks have expressed curiosity about this, so I'm posting to the group... Modern stunt kites tend to fall into two classes: dual and quad line. Dual line kites are nifty things that you steer with two lines. High end kites are extremely maneuverable, extremely fast (current world record is ~120 mph) and can do a lot of amazing things in the right hands. Typically, though, they're always moving "forward", even whilst turning or looping. There are circumstances in which the kite can move sideways, but it takes a lot of skill and usually a low wind. Quad line kites are flown with 4 lines, giving complete control over the kite's angle of attack. In other words, they can move forwards, backwards, and sideways. The flyer also has full control over the kite's speed in any direction, allowing for nifty things like diving at the ground and then stopping and hovering an inch or two above the surface. The amount of control over such a kite is simply astounding, with enough practice. Competitions with these kinds of kites are held all over the world--the US, Canada, Japan, Australia, England, France, Austria, and so on and so forth. There is an international "World Cup" competition every year. Competition is divided into two main classes: precision and ballet. Precision involves two parts, figures and freestyle. Figures are prescribed maneuvers (boxes, circles, triangles, and all sorts of nasty combinations--geometric figures from hell) and most events will require 3 figures (announced ahead of time). Freestyle allows the flyer to show off for between 30 seconds and 2 minutes. The flyer may decide to fly some more complex figures or slip in some radical moves like tip stands, tip stabs, turtles, axels, coin tosses, helicopters, skates, and so on. These moves take a lot of practice and are often difficult in wind conditions to which the flyer is not accustomed. Each of the 3 figures is worth 20% of your score and the freestyle is worth 40%. You are judged by a group of 3-5 people. A ballet is (big shock!) set to music, between 2 and 4 minutes long (5 minutes for team events). The flyer choreographs the movement of the kite to the music. 60% of your score is for your choreography--both how well it fits the music and how well put together it is...smooth transitions between segments and so forth. 40% is for how well you manage to actually fly the routine. Events are further broken down into experience classes (novice, intermediate, experienced, master, and open (for any level flyer...usually used when there are few competitors in each class)) and number of flyers (individual, pairs (ballet only), and team (3 or more) (2 or more for team quad)). Watching team flying is often compared to watching an aerobatic group like the Blue Angels and it can really be a feat of coordination and reflexes. Imagine anywhere from 3 to 8 kites moving between 60 and 80 mph, often within inches of each other, weaving around, while the flyers are, typically, controlling them from over a hundred feet away! The Eastern League runs events up and down the east coast with events every month but December, February, and March. If you're interested in finding out about a local event, let me know and I'll give you info about when it's traditionally held and where. Thanks to all the folks who congratulated me! Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | |SAFH Lite [tm] | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ======================================================================== Subject: Baby Don't Go From: Tim Breitkreutz Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1993 08:26:39 -0700 Wonderful Ectophiles: It's time for me to go away, very far away, to take my leave :). On Sunday I'm departing this fine (but very cold) home of mine to travel around for the month of December, eventually landing in Iceland for New Years. I hope to get email soon after that, and will be back in Ecto as soon as that happens. I will be in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia for the first two weeks of December, then in Toronto for the weekend of the 16th, then passing through Montreal on the 22nd or so, and then I will be in the Washington DC area for Christmas. If there are any Malaysian or Torontonian lurkers out there now is the time to send me email if you want a visit :) [I will also be in Tokyo for one day, are there any ectophiles from there? If so, please send me some mail!] Jessica: Please unsubscribe me until further notice [snif]. Also, it looks like you've successfully GIFized the ectofete pix! If not, please let me know so I can try doing it here before I leave. Thanks. See you in '94! Tim (from Alberta, for now) (as far as I know, I will be able to keep the address tim@cs.ualberta.ca until further notice.) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 10:57:55 PST From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: D'Cuckoo ordering info Hi, Getting the digest I don't know if D^2 has posted this info, if so sorry for the echo :) CD's: $15, Tapes $10, T-shirt: $12 Umoja (Street date: Feb. 1, 1994) D'Cuckoo Send check or MO to: D'Cuckoo, 6114 LaSalle Avenue, Suite 414, Oakland 94611 CA residents add 8.25% tax. Shipping and handling $2 per item. D'Cuckoo hotline: (510)869-4618 D'Cuckoo online: dcuckoo@well.sf.ca.us There you have it. Enjoy! Angelos ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: Re: D'Cuckoo ordering info Date: Wed, 24 Nov 93 12:02:25 PST > D'Cuckoo, 6114 LaSalle Avenue, Suite 414, Oakland 94611 I remember reading some breathless article about D'Cuckoo in a highly reliable and respected publication like Mondo 2000 I think, sandwiched in between a conspiracy theory, an article about the EFF and lifespan enhancing chemicals in breakfast cereal or something. :) I haven't actually heard any of their music yet, however. Anyone know how their name is pronounced, btw? I'm assuming "duh-cuckoo" with a brief "d" but it could be "dee-cuckoo" or something for all I know! - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)