Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #859 ecto, Number 859 Thursday, 11 November 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Today's your birthday friend.... RE: "The Stolen Child" RE: DCD recommendations? gorging on the music Re: The Greatest Klaus Ever Told? Re: lurking off .... Hey Bday Re: Thoughts at large ...a Thank You! Two things Peter Gabriel Re: A Brief History of Anti-SF Re: Del Palmer in decent engineering shock! REVIEW: Dead Can Dance [long] How to listen... I read this with my toes crossed Re: How to listen... Re: Two things skewed perceptions Re: Peter Gabriel So, who's Ben? DCD and ADDRESS CHANGE!! What am I listening to? ======================================================================== I'm sorry this digest is so long! it's an accident! I meant to break it up into two.. If you have any trouble with it (it might get cut off after 1000 lines, for example), just let me know! jessica ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 00:40:50 Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* ****** Ken Latta ****** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Rob Craven Thu November 14 1974 Scorpio Elizabeth W. Warwick Sun November 15 1964 Scorpio Naama Avramzon Mon November 18 1974 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Alan Ezust Fri November 21 1969 Earth Moving Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Tommy Persson Wed November 25 1964 Sagittarius Pat Tessitore November 26 Sagittarius Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Sue Trowbridge Sun November 27 1966 Skytten Chip Lueck Thu December 5 1968 Sagittarius Ken Hoyme Sun December 8 1957 Sagittarius -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: RE: "The Stolen Child" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 21:15:53 PST I said: > > ... The Waterboys used the same poem on one of their albums, > > too. They set it to music on _Room to Roam_, I think. ... to which Emily said: > Ah, I thought the description sounded familiar. It's on the *Fisherman's > Blues* album, which is one of their best, in my Celtophile opinion. Oops! :) You're right; it's off _Fisherman's Blues_. That's what I get for saying stuff without going home and checking my disc first! Still, I *did* hedge my bets by saying "I think", now, didn't I? :) - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 07:36:13 +0000 (U) From: TalbotJ Subject: RE: DCD recommendations? The following are available on CD in order of release: 1. Dead Can Dance + The Garden Of Ancane Delights (EP) (1984) 2. Spleen and Ideal (1985) 3. Under The Realm Of A Dying Sun (1987) 4. The Serpent's Egg (1988) 5. Aion (1990) 6. A Passage In Time (compilation with 2 new tracks) (1991) 7. Into The Labrinth (1993) I suggest that you start with "Under The Realm..." Then the latest... Then "The Serpent's Egg" Then "Splean and Ideal" Then "Aion" Then the first one... ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 00:02:59 PST From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: gorging on the music I find that the sequence of songs from "The Song of Solomon" to "Big Stripey Lie" on TRS works really well for me. Of course, I'm listening on tape, so it's convenient to find a maximal span of tracks that I enjoy. "Eat the Music" is still boring. The partially nonsensical references to Catholicism on "Why Should I Love You" annoy me. Unless something clicks I'm going to vote it my award for Biggest Kate Clinker. It does nothing to improve my opinion of the Funny Symbol Guy (aka Prince). On the other hand, the emotional undercurrent of "The Song of Solomon" agrees with me (like Steve Berlin, I think she should just scream "Fuck me NOW!" in there, but I guess that would blow any pretense of subtlety in the song.) The bit of "The Red Shoes" that goes Feel her hair come tumblin' down Feel her feet start kissin' the ground Feel her arms a openin' up See her eyes uplifted to God is absolutely TRANSCENDENT. I have the most vivid and stunning images whenever I hear those lines; my mind sprouts a propellor and spins off into space. I am curious about what will happen in the movie when that part of the song is played. I tend to see Kate in a flowing dress, dancing joyously outdoors, as the camera swoops around her in circles. If more disco was like "Constellation of the Heart" I could really learn to like disco. "And So Is Love" is a good song, too. It speaks right to my sexually frustrated, affection-starved, cynical subpersonality. Has anyone noticed that in "Top of the City" the protagonist seems to be spying on some guy that she thinks she's in love with? I even get the impression that the protagonist is trying to climb to the top of the city so she can jump off and commit suicide. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 3:20:40 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: The Greatest Klaus Ever Told? Jens wonderfully klauses big time: > Vickie suffers from CD overload: > > > YOW!! 1993-Happy, Kate, Jane, Sarah, Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, > > k.d. lang *and* Kirsty MacColl??? That's 8. Only 2 more for the > > Top 10. Peter Gabriel. That's 9. Yikes! *TORI!!* Hurry up!! > > Well, how about Rainbirds for the last one? Or you could count Happy > twice... :-) I don't have the new one by the Rainbirds yet. I also don't have CT's & kd's (yet) but Happy, Kate, Jane, Sarah, DCD, Peter & Kirsty are still on my year's favorite list. There are still 2 months to go. > Steve, another of Vickie's many acolytes, writes: > > > P.S. I like "acolyte" much better than "sycophant" (never did like > > figs). Do we get to wear long robes, with cowls? I've always wanted a > > cowl! I'd like to suggest that they should be coloured the lovely deep > > blue of the Ecto T-shirt. I could really get into that! :-) > > Great idea! Yeah, I've also always wanted a robe and cowl... And just > think of the effect at Happy's next concert when twenty Ectophiles in > midnight blue robes sweep into the room; we should be able to conquer > the first rows without any resistance... Just to make sure we get > Happy all to ourselves, we could make up some pamphlets with Happy's > monster drawings and distribute them at the door! ;-) :-) :-) :-) > John had another idea for Ecto accessories, though not quite as > exciting as robes (:-)): > > > Now, I've been thinking, wouldn't it be great to have something like > > business cards that we could give to people? The cards would have the > > Happy catalog on one side, and the address on the other. I know some > > thing like this was included in EQ and CD5, but I don't want to give > > mine up. :) I was just thinking of a simple card, with the info on it. > > Good idea, I've had occasional use for such a card as well... As the > time I got stopped in Budapest because somebody wanted to read my back > (I was wearing the AG t-shirt)... I think it's a wonderful idea too. The cards from Happy are great, but they are out-of-date, since the address is the Albany one, not the Bearsville one. > I've been listening to Vickie's compilation tapes again and was struck > by Sonoko's wonderful recitation of the Balcony Scene from from Romeo > & Juliet. WHO IS THIS GIRL? Singer, actor? Can it be found on CD? Any > info appreciated... I know nothing, sorry. An old friend, who I've since lost touch with :-(, used to send me tapes of interesting music. I learned about Deux Filles and Sonoko from him. My friend Sue in Kansas City had a Sonoko LP, and I've since found a copy for myself. I've never seen it on CD, but I'd grab it in a second if I did. She's Japanese, and the whole album is wonderful. I'll try to remember to dig the album out soon to see if there's any more info there. > Also, some time ago I mentioned Vaya Con Dios in Ecto. I noticed that > Carmel ("Bad Day" on SiG_V) sounds a lot like Dani Klein from VCD, > though DK has a stronger voice. The music is similar too. Cool! (And thanks for saying that you've been listening to the compilation tapes again. I'm glad you like them) > Anthony returns: > > >If you like Carey I'd also recommend checking out the film "Until The > >End Of The World", which he wrote the screenplay for with Wim Wenders. > > In case you don't like Carey, you should also check out UtEotW. No questions, > just do it... > > Jeff seems to agree (:-)): > > > HEY! Totally cool. Perhaps that's why I loved the movie so much. Or > > maybe it was the cinematography. Or the acting. Or the MUSIC! Or... oh, > > never mind, this could go on all morning. > > Yeah... sigh... I agree too! > No, no, no! ;-) This film should be seen on the big screen - the > cinematography is (also) awesome! If necessary, rent a cinema and show > the film to your friends! ;-) Or you could come to Chicago. We have the letterbox laserdisc *and* a projector/big screen (120") > Vickie and Troy, thinking about you and your friends... Thank you *HUG* > Sure, just keep a complete set of uncompressed digests on your harddisk > (that reminds me, I'll need a new disk soon... ;-))! Wow! I archive all the digests by number and date, but it doesn't really help me when I want to find something specific. Now I know where to turn :-). > Vickie spills the beans: > > > Coming soon to an Ecto list near you: my transcriptions of interviews > > I did with Mary Coughlin, Sheila Chandra and Heidi Berry. Still to > > come, interviews with Dead Can Dance's Lisa Gerrard, Jane Siberry, > > Wendy MaHarry, Iris DeMent, Eddi Reader and maybe, The Story. Still > > trying to line up, Lisa Germano, The Cocteau Twins, and maybe (oh > > please oh please) Kate. > > Eddi [hmm, it's hard to type when you're jumping up-and-down] Reader! > I hope you'll post this interview as soon as it's ready... Pleeease! :-) It's still not been set up because Eddi's been hopping all over the place, from Los Angeles to Toronto (she's been staying at Teddy Borowicki's place there) recording her next album, which will, btw, be an American release. _Mirmama_ is now out-of-print, so if anyone sees a copy, *SNATCH IT UP*!! (And send me one if they have two, I still only have the dub that Jens sent me.) That's Eddi Reader and the Human Saints of Imperfection, album title is _Mirmama_. It's **GREATGREATGREAT!!!**, Ectofodder-o-rama!! To update: Lisa Gerrard turned down the interview, so no DCD. Wendy MaHarry has been recording and we still haven't been able to set up a time. The Story's "people" refused to let us interview them. We haven't been able to track down Lisa Germano. Still no word, yay or nay, wrt Cocteau Twin (though I'm not so hot on interviewing them anymore. A nay wouldn't bother me at all.) Kate? Yeah, sure, right. Hah! I did interview Iris DeMent and Jane Siberry though, so I'm pretty happy. Charley's trying to set up interviews with Bjork and Kirsty MacColl, but I have no idea if they'll actually come through. Kirsty's "people" are being quite bitchy, for some reason. I don't know why, you'd think they'd want any publicity possible. Chris went to pick up tickets to her concert the other day and he was told that they've only sold about 50 so far. In Chicago! :-(. I hope it's not cancelled. Maybe it will be moved from the Park West to Schubas or someplace smaller. Don't know. > Well, using ellipses is a filthy habit anyway... I thought I was the queen of ellipses until Kath showed up... > Still got 40 digests to read... See all you later! :-) Bye! *HUG* Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 3:22:12 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: lurking off .... Yngve, **HUG** Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 3:33:04 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Hey Bday HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Ken Latta!! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 02:32:16 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: Thoughts at large > WRT Kath's sushi recipe: wonderful to hear of new ways to fix lox. Wonder if > there's any way to work cream cheese into this already luscious-sounding dish > :-). An excellent sushi hand roll (the outer seaweed is rolled as a cone to be held) has cooked salmon & skin, cream cheese, cucumber, and something else I can't recall. I've had other rolls with cream cheese as well. Different chefs often have their own rolls. Like somone said, it's not just raw fish, but also cooked fish, shell fish, crab, eel (yum!), vegetables, fish eggs, bird eggs, etc and of course rice and seaweed. Count me as a sushi lover. --- AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "Without the pain there'd be no learning. \ / Constellation of the Without the hurting we'd never change." /`\ Heart "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do `\ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." `\ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 13:15:01 CET From: Ilka Heber Subject: ...a Thank You! Hi there, Yes! My Kate Bush Box arrived today from Canada! Thank you very much to the person who posted about the cheap offer!!!!! = ) Ilka = ) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 13:57:04 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Two things On Wed, 10 Nov 93 at 16:24:39 EST ezust@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) wrote: >[In message "South African Music" on Nov 10, prat writes:] >| >| Hiya'll! >| >| Do y'all get much South African music out there? There is quite a >| bit of local stuff that i think you'd like if you enjoy Kate Bush >| like Lesley Rae Dowling and Little Sister. ... stuff deleted ... >I was exposed to Clegg as well as Jennifer Fergusson... While i was >living in Harare for a year, I made the occasional jaunt to Joh'burg and >Cape Town. Fergusson is definitely ecto-style music, which would appeal to >many people on this list. There was a Jennifer Fergusson track on Vickie's (first?) Femme Music Collection sampler. I can't offhand remember the name of the track (please come to my rescue here, Vickie! :-)), but it was one of the standout pieces of that collection for me. I'd certainly be interested in getting a CD of hers, especially if it had that track on it. On Wed, 10 Nov 93 at 23:37:23 MET brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) wrote: >I. (not I) wrote: > >>>>>>> "J" == Jens P Brage writes: >> J> Wrt. "The Red Shoes" [...], I'm surprised no-one >> J> has commented on the circular promotion insert beneath the >> J> disk... Or is this specific to the EMI release? > >> I didn't see one in mine, what does it say? > >Hmm, with that domain (.ac.uk), I suppose you've got the EMI >release too... Strange! ... stuff deleted ... >It's a round piece of cardboard of the same size as a CD. Both sides >are half black, half fruits. On the front, there's a repreduction of >the covers of "Sensual World, "Hounds of Love" and "The Whole Story" >and the name "Kate Bush" in the same letters as on the disk. On the >back there's the covers of "The Dreaming", "Never Forever", >"Lionheart" and "Kick Inside". This piece of card was in my (EMI) copy of "The Red Shoes". It does seem as though not all EMI copies are identical, since there was some guy on gaffa recently sounding off about how the music on the second half of the CD was in the wrong order and the order on the EMI lyric sheet must be the correct one, except that he quoted a totally different order for the tracks on the lyric sheet to that which appears on the one that came with my copy of the CD! I'm still amazed that Sony and EMI can't agree as to whether the album title should be above the picture on the front, with KaTe's name below (EMI) or vice versa (Sony, at least according to what I've understood people on gaffa to be saying). -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 09:35:20 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Warren Subject: Peter Gabriel If I remember correctly, I believe there are enough Peter Gabriel fans on this list that just one little question won't be too obtrusive (intrusive?). I recall seeing a CD5 a while back (this year) for something off of "US" that had the Until the End of the World soundtrack version of "Blood of Eden" on it. I didn't buy it at the time (we all make mistakes), and now I can't find it. I recently looked at singles for "Digging in the Dirt" and "Steam", but it wasn't on either one. Did anybody see this? Does anybody have it? Was I just imagining the whole thing? Can anybody help? We now return you to your regularly scheduled ecto, already in progress. -Sam ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 00:03 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: A Brief History of Anti-SF > [Anti-SF chronology deleted] > > > So, as you can see, it's all Uli's fault. :-) :-) > > Uli, if you ever come to Alabama, you will be pelted with grits until > you learn all the words to "My Home's In Alabama" and "God Bless The > USA," and attend at least one June Jam in Fort Payne. :) Now I wonder if that's something to avoid or something to enjoy... ;-) And you don't expect I'd stay until June if I actually come in July? ;-) Bye, Uli -- There are many Gods, but there is only one Steven Jobs - Doug Waldron ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 13:06 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Del Palmer in decent engineering shock! > > * That Prince-laden song is probably the first thing he has ever played on > > that he hasn't either produced or mixed... > > I'll ask a friend of mine! I've done so, and this big, big Prince fan says, after thinking for a while, 'yes'. So this is a premiere. Bye, Uli ======================================================================== From: dcwalter@tomservo.b23b.ingr.com (Christian Walters) Subject: Re: A Brief History of Anti-SF Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:30:26 CST Quoth Ulrich Grepel: > > > [Anti-SF chronology deleted] > > > > > So, as you can see, it's all Uli's fault. :-) :-) > > > > Uli, if you ever come to Alabama, you will be pelted with grits until > > you learn all the words to "My Home's In Alabama" and "God Bless The > > USA," and attend at least one June Jam in Fort Payne. :) > > Now I wonder if that's something to avoid or something to enjoy... ;-) I recommend avoiding it :) But if you're into warm beer and country music, by all means get over here :) > And you don't expect I'd stay until June if I actually come in July? ;-) Well, do you have an accent? If the June Jammer-types pick up that you're from another country, then it may take until the next June Jam to identify your remains :) Alabama: a nice place to visit -- stay on the pavement :) -- Christian Walters * "If we all act responsibly, the world will become dcwalter@ingr.com * fresh and pure and can continue killing us with Intergraph Corporation * earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, and Huntsville, AL * volcanic eruptions." - James Lileks ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 02:41 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: The Greatest Klaus Ever Told? > Wrt. "The Red Shoes" (no, I'm not going to comment on the music, it's > much too early for that...), I'm surprised no-one has commented on the > circular promotion insert beneath the disk... Or is this specific to > the EMI release? This could be just the thing for Happy's next release > (though she'll probably want to advertise her own albums, not > Kate's... ;-)). What? What's that what you describe here? I have the Dutch CD, and all there was is the jewel pack, the 'size-12-poster', the back-cover and the CD. Nothing else. No stickers, no additional inserts, no nothing. Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 02:29 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: The Greatest Klaus Ever Told? > Hey, congratulations!!! Sorry, can't keep my fingers crossed, I need > them for typing... :-) Wjy? Rjar's mor eally a peovlr,m us ur? Now that's not Finnish, that's a sentence, typed with two pairs of fingers crossed (digit and middle finger of both hands), on a QUERTZ keyboard, and I actually kept the relative movements of the fingers. Go figure! What did I say? Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 10:20:23 PST From: "John Relph" Subject: REVIEW: Dead Can Dance [long] Dead Can Dance, Zellerbach Auditorium, Berkeley Sunday, 7 November 1993 After hearing that previous Dead Can Dance concerts were gatherings of PIBs (Persons In Black), we decided early on that we had to wear clothes that were not black. In fact, I wore an extremely brightly coloured floral shirt and a high school letter jacket, and Jennie wore something equally bright. We arrived at Zellerbach Auditorium and were not disappointed. Loads of PIBs, a fair number of vampyres, many Renaissance Faire types; the disaffected and the affected. I was heartily disappointed in the merchandise available. In fact, there were only two posters offered. I would have been stoked if they would have offered all their CDs for sale, especially since the going price around here is about US$25 each. As we were being ushered to our seats I looked around and noticed some friends I hadn't seen in a long time. I confused the usher by disappearing magically into their row for a minute. In any case, my friends had independently chosen not to wear black. We laughed over that, hoping that we didn't insult the local vampyre contingent. They also informed me that there was to be no opening act, so we discussed what kind of acts would be acceptable. Perhaps an early music ensemble, with original instruments. Or a Gregorian chant choir. We took our seats, and as I looked around I also noticed a few other people I knew. The lights went down to the ecstatic cheering of the assembled multitudes, and after a few moments, the musicians took the stage. (Of course someone yelled out, "Freebird!") Last came Lisa Gerrard, wearing what might have been a priest's robes: a white robe-like dress with a high collar and long sleeves, standing behind a lectern. She was the only person dressed up. The remainder of the band consisted of, from left to right, a long blonde haired flute player, a wildly energetic drummer, a quiet percussionist who also played bass and guitar accompaniment, two keyboardists, and of course Brendan Perry on percussion, guitar, and hurdy-gurdy. There were no sets, merely the instruments and microphones, but coloured lights were projected on a screen behind the stage, giving an impression of stained glass. The church organ present in a few of the pieces added to the general feeling of holiness. I might mention that I have a terrible memory for song names, so I do not know what songs were played in the concert, although I was hoping for "How Fortunate The Man With None", and another from _A Passage In Time_ (the one about goats). Overall, it was quite an enjoyable concert. Most of the pieces came off flawlessly. The most enjoyable pieces for me were the ones which featured a large rhythm section, five-piece contrapuntal drumming. During one piece, Mr Perry was tapping finger-cymbals in a 4/4 pattern with one hand, 3/4 in the other, and singing all the while. In others, one of the keyboardists played additional percussion. But the most impressive aspect of the concert had to be Ms Gerrard's voice. It swooped and growled. It mourned and sighed. Mr Perry was no slouch in the vocal department, but he could not match the sheer power of Ms Gerrard's voice. But she didn't know what to do with her hands. And I found that after a while I was getting overwhelmed by Ms Perry's voice; I needed to reduce the power and I couldn't. I enjoyed the dancing drummer quite a bit; my wife remarked that had it not been for his presence, the concert would have been much less enjoyable. I don't know if I feel that strongly about it, but the sight of the drummer running in place to the beat, whilst keeping the rhythm going, was quite humourous. I thought he might lose ten pounds of weight per concert, but luckily for him only a few songs were upbeat enough to keep him bouncing around. The long-haired flautist performed one solo piece, the only piece performed solely by someone other than Ms Gerrard or Mr Perry. Mr Perry seemed to be having a bad night of it, as he was continually calling for adjustments to the mix and was seemingly unhappy with the rhythm at times. He started one piece, having to tune his 12-string guitar beforehand, and sang almost one verse before he stopped abruptly, and nearly threw down his guitar. I would not have been surprised in the least if he had smashed it, but he restrained himself, and merely sat down in a chair, striking the opening chord for the next song. I thought to myself, "Chill, Brendan! That's not very professional of you", but I was also highly amused. The stage is a bad place for a control freak, because the unexpected always happens. Besides this, Mr Perry carried himself like a failed Irish ballad singer who found success in a different art form, which he called "Dead Can Dance". They performed most of the songs from their most recent album, and a fair selection from _Aion_. They returned for three encores, although the wait was so long in between encores that I feared that Mr Perry was too angry to return. But the crowd gave standing ovations every time. All in all, I enjoyed it, although sometimes for reasons that weren't intended I'm sure. If you haven't seen them, by all means do. By the way, does anybody have an accurate set list for the show? -- John ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 12:35:57 -0600 (UTC -06:00) From: "I THINK THEREFORE I AM...CONFUSED" Subject: How to listen... mjm holds forth... >"Oh boy, I got the album, I listened to it 7 times in 2 hours, >now I can write my song-by-song breakdown and conveniently >know which songs I like, which ones I hate, and I can validate >those feelings by broadcasting to my gaffa peers." YES! I think you nailed that one. I've been watching all the TRS traffic and (to me) it seems rather self serving. It's also going to make it difficult for those of us who *don't* rush right out and buy the album to give it an objective listen. mjm again... >For myself, I know that >each time I hear, I react a little differently, based on factors >to numerous to enumerate: Where am I when I listen? >What mood am I in? Is it daytime? Morning? Nighttime? >Am I in bed? In the shower? Eating lunch at work? >Driving to a party? Leaving a lecture? Perhaps best to listen alseep in the shower at work ;-} I agree that the surroundings and emotional landscapes greatly affect the way you would hear something. However having heard it (whatever) a number of times I find that I use the (perceived) mood of the music to either enhance or decrease that same mood in myself. I guess it depends on whether or not I like the way I'm ffeeling at any given time. BTW, just picked up Warpaint. Like it lots. Alex -- ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 11:10:21 PST From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: I read this with my toes crossed Uli daringly attempts: >> Hey, congratulations!!! Sorry, can't keep my fingers crossed, I need >> them for typing... :-) > >Wjy? Rjar's mor eally a peovlr,m us ur? Uh, how about Woj? That's morally ape over miser? ok, ok, Why? That's not really a problem, is it? Hmm, this seems kind of fun. Although if it catches on, I"ll have to devote my entire work day to trying to read ecto. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 14:15:26 -0500 (EST) From: HOLLY@umbc2.umbc.edu Subject: Re: How to listen... >> "Oh boy, I got the album, I listened to it 7 times in 2 hours, >> now I can write my song-by-song breakdown and conveniently >> know which songs I like, which ones I hate, and I can validate >> those feelings by broadcasting to my gaffa peers." Ouch. > YES! I think you nailed that one. I've been watching all the TRS > traffic and (to me) it seems rather self serving. What's wrong with a little self-serving, anyway? > It's also going to make > it difficult for those of us who *don't* rush right out and buy the > album to give it an objective listen. Oops. Sorry. I don't think anybody giving a song-by-song impression of the album meant to screw up anybody else's perception of it. > Perhaps best to listen alseep in the shower at work ;-} :) I'll have to try that after I install a shower in the Mac lab. > BTW, just picked up Warpaint. Like it lots. Yay! Holly ======================================================================== From: Bumblebee Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 08:29:11 +1300 Subject: Re: Two things Steve contemplates cardboard: > > It's a round piece of cardboard of the same size as a CD. > > [....] > This piece of card was in my (EMI) copy of "The Red Shoes". It does seem > as though not all EMI copies are identical, since there was some guy on > gaffa recently sounding off about how the music on the second half of the > CD was in the wrong order and the order on the EMI lyric sheet must be the > correct one, except that he quoted a totally different order for the tracks > on the lyric sheet to that which appears on the one that came with my copy > of the CD! Hmmm... I didn't get the cardboard thingy either... As for the lyrics, it seems to me that the top row is in order, and the bottom row is arranged in a 'best fit' order so that each column is roughly the same height... Philip .________________________________________. ._______. | __ _ ___ _ __ __ |\________/| | | / / | / \ | \ | | | | / | _ _ | _O_ | | \_ | | | | |__/ |__| | | \_ | / \/ \ | |/ | | / | | | | | | | | | / | \ / | |\ | | \__ \_ | \_/ | | | | |__ \__ | \ / | T W W | |________________________________________| \/ |_______| \ Philip Sainty: psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz \________/ / `-------------------------------------------------------' "This is where I want to be This is what I need" --KT ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 12:05:18 PST From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: skewed perceptions >> It's also going to make >> it difficult for those of us who *don't* rush right out and buy the >> album to give it an objective listen. > >Oops. Sorry. I don't think anybody giving a song-by-song impression >of the album meant to screw up anybody else's perception of it. I wouldn't worry about that too much. Seems to me that if anyone is worried about having there perceptions skewed (or screwed) by reading others people's opinions prior to listening to the album, they can just skip over that section. It's not like the song-by-song analysis is subtly hidden in other posts. They tend to stand out quite clearly. Besides, I enjoy hearing what other people think of the songs, and if someone interprets songs in a way that never occured to me, I might add it to my view, but I doubt I'll be replacing it with my opinions prior to forming any (although you never know, sometimes I can be rather impressionable). Neal ======================================================================== From: boek Subject: Re: Peter Gabriel Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 20:59:35 +0100 (MET) > > I recall seeing a CD5 a while back (this year) for something off of "US" that > had the Until the End of the World soundtrack version of "Blood of Eden" on it. > > We now return you to your regularly scheduled ecto, already in progress. > > -Sam > --_ Hi Sam, It's on the 'Blood of Eden' CD Single, and if you're worried about offending people asking about Gabriel, then join the Gabriel mailing list. I find it a very good list. The address is : gabriel@merle.acns.nwu.edu. To join, send a piece of mail to listserv@merle.acns.nwu.edu with 'help' as the message, and it should give you a bagfull of info. I think to subscribe is 'subscribe gabriel ' e.g. subscribe gabriel boek I think it knows where you're coming from. Chris. P.S. I have nothing whatsoever to do with the list. I just read it :) (and post occasionally) /| \ ) Christopher Boek boek@hacktic.nl | \_| / PieterMolijnlaan 12, 2343 ES Oegstgeest +31 71 173984 | | /x ( <-- LEIDEN | \ == _ | "Hebban olla vogala nestas hugunnan hinase hic anda ===---/ |( thu" - Earliest surviving Germanic text (Gothic) -- ======================================================================== From: dcwalter@tomservo.b23b.ingr.com (Christian Walters) Subject: So, who's Ben? Date: Thu, 11 Nov 93 14:16:07 CST Hey, I'm listening to Sarah's "Touch" right now. Good stuff. (No, Tim, I don't want to hear about the concert again :) ) Anyhow, the next-to-last track is called "Ben's Song." Anyone know who Ben is? I know nothing about Sarah the person, so she may be married to Ben, for all I know. :) I scanned the credits: no Ben. Any ideas/info? -- Christian Walters * "If we all act responsibly, the world will become dcwalter@ingr.com * fresh and pure and can continue killing us with Intergraph Corporation * earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, and Huntsville, AL * volcanic eruptions." - James Lileks ======================================================================== From: Bumblebee Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1993 09:39:25 +1300 Subject: DCD and ADDRESS CHANGE!! I managed to listen to "Into The Labyrinth" yesterday - I got a shop to play it through headphones for me, and then stood listening in the corner for the entire length of the album, and then half the songs again... :) I'm still making up my mind as to what I think, as it was certainly a new experience (the first time I've heard DCD), and not all the tracks interested me on this first listen... I'm afraid I don't recall the names of most of the tracks, (especially the non-english ones) but I'll say a bit about what I can remember... The album began very strongly - "Yulunga" was quite wonderful, and "The Obiquitious (sp?) Mr Lovegrove", while very different, was also an excellent song... great rhythm/percussion The next song (I think) about the man (woman? it was Lisa Gerrard singing I'm sure) whose lover is shot and killed in the barley field didn't do too much for me, due to the style of the singing rather than the lyrics... (although the style was appropriate given the lyrics) Similarly, "How Fortunate The Man With None" didn't grab me... The one which had "forest" in the title was good (I can't remember the song, just that I liked it), and I also liked "The Spider's Stratagem" very much. I can't remember anything of the rest of the album enough to comment I'm afraid, but I'll try to have another listen sometime if I can... My only other comment at the moment is that the picture for "Toward the Within" (sp?) (which was a great picture - somebody went to considerable trouble over that set) should have been in the middle of the booklet... :) The other thing is that my email address is changing due to my University account being terminated tomorrow (the academic year having finished...) My new address (which is working and recieving ecto as I write :-) is: SAINTY_P@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Philip .________________________________________. ._______. | __ _ ___ _ __ __ |\________/| | | / / | / \ | \ | | | | / | _ _ | _O_ | | \_ | | | | |__/ |__| | | \_ | / \/ \ | |/ | | / | | | | | | | | | / | \ / | |\ | | \__ \_ | \_/ | | | | |__ \__ | \ / | T W W | |________________________________________| \/ |_______| \ SAINTY_P@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz \________/ / `-------------------------------------------------------' "This is where I want to be This is what I need" --KT ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 20:42:59 GMT From: imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) Subject: What am I listening to? Actually, I was wondering if any of you literary geniuses could help a poor philestine (i.e. me). What I am listening to is in fact a tape of The Blue Aeroplanes [that's Airplanes for you folks over the pond ;) ] -- no, don't worry, you don't need to have heard of them -- and on _Tolerance_ there's a song called "Journal of an Airman" which (if I had the CD with me, I could assure my self) is part-credited to W. H. Auden. The bit I've quoted is the start of the song (as close as I can make out)... can anyone identify where it comes from? Of course, it may be mangled somewhat. I suppose I've got to tell you about The Blue Aeroplanes now. They're from Bristol and are fronted by Gerard Langley, who would sing if he sang. Er, what do you call it, speaking? reciting? *not* rapping! hmm. And there are also people with guitars (four at one point) and probably a drummer and a bassist and maybe a violin or a mandolin; who they all are is rather changeable. Er, I'm not doing very well here, am I? I think someone once described them as poetry and mayhem. Look, if you like melodic guitar music and impenetrable lyrics check out _Swagger_ and if you hate that, you're odd. I. | three signs of an airman: | practical jokes | nervousness before taking off | and a rapid healing after injury | | three kinds of enemy walk: | the grandious stunt | the melancholic stagger | the paranoic sidle | | three kinds of enemy bearing: | the condor's stoop | the toad's stupor | the robin's stance | | three kinds of enemy face: | the fucked hen | the favorite puss | the stoned-in-the-rain | | three terms of enemy speech: | I mean | quite frankly | speaking as a scientist etcetera | | three enemy questions: | am I boring you? | could you tell me the time? | are you sure you're fit enough? | | three results of an enemy victory: | impotence | cancer | paralysis | | three counterattacks | complete master(?y) of the air | | lastly but ten it's moving again | lastly but nine I forgot the sign | lastly but eight it's getting late | lastly but seven why aren't there eleven? | lastly but six I dont like its ...tricks | | the maid is just dribbling(??) tea | and I shall not be disturbed until supper | I shall be quite alone in this room | free to think of you if I choose | and believe me dear I do choose | | for a long time now I've been aware | that you are taking up more of my life every day | but I'm always being surprised | to find how far this has gone | | it's getting late | and I have to be up at times(?) in the morning | you're so quiet these days that I get quite nervous. | remove the dressing: | no, I'm safe, you're still there. | | the wireless this evening says that the frost is coming | and when it does we know what to expect, don't we? | but I'm calm, I can wait. | the surgeon was dead right: | nothing will ever part us. | goodnight and god bless you my dear. | | better burn this. | | lastly but five oh god it's alive | lastly but four I can't live any more | lastly but three now it's looking at me | lastly but two what shall I do? | lastly but one I think I'll run | lastly of all it's here and I fall(?) | | August the 23rd, 3pm: | we are lost. | | a cart has just passed carrying the plaster eagle | the enemy are going to attack. | | G.H.Q. commands: | 1. that the attack take place on August 28th | first penetration of the hostile position 7:10am | 2. a fake landing by pleasure--paddle-steamers | near the bathing-machines on beach 5 | 3. a main frontal attack: | divisions to be concentrated in the Shenley(?) | brickfields and moved forward to the battle-zone in | bakers' vans disguished as nuns | | First day of mobilization: | at the prearranged zero hour | the widow bent into a hoop with arthritis | gives the signal for attack | by unbending on the steps of St. Philips | | Fifth day: | pressure of ice, falling fire (???) | the last snarl of families beneath the toppling column | biting at wounds as the sutures tear (?) | | Twenty-fourth: | four days. | what's the use of counting them now? | | ah, what have I written?! | thoughts suitable to a sanitorium! | three days to break a lifetime's pride | | Twenty-eighth: | 3.40 am | pulse and reflexes: normal | barametric reading: 30.6 | mean temperature: 300F | fair | some cumulus cloud at 10,000 ft. | wind: easterly and moderate | hands: in perfect order Having just, in fact, typed the whole thing, I've realized that *perhaps* the W.H. Auden part is the just-audible second vocal which starts about halfway through. Such is life. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1993 21:11:19 GMT From: imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) Subject: What am I listening to? Gah! I should have known that would happen. >| mean temperature: 300F should say: | mean temperature: 30[degrees] F in fact it did, but high bit got stripped somewhere. I. ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)