Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #855 ecto, Number 855 Tuesday, 9 November 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* The Greatest Klaus Ever Told? ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 10 Nov 93 01:09:24 MET From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: The Greatest Klaus Ever Told? Hi! [Surfacing from beneath a *large* pile of digests...] Well, here's my klaus of a hundred and one digests, so this should win me the position of "Master Klauser of Ecto" for sure. Parasitic posters, get ready! -+- Juha writes about ordering AG disks: > I got my discs without paying anything, but it was > close! Sometimes these people refuse to believe what you tell them, > but this time I had the luck of dealing with a nice person. And I must > admit that I'm very much against paying customs for little things like > these. I guess I'd better order the remaining discs one by one. Neat! The customs enforces the general Ecto advice of getting the disks one at a time! ;-) > I didn't know a thing about these two additional songs on Ecto! > 'Look for the Child' and 'When the Rain Came Down', I'm so eager > to get this cd dubbed so I can hear them! My old dub of Ecto didn't > have these songs on it. Your first dub was probably from the original tapes; LftC and WtRCD are bonus tracks on the CD rerelease... -+- Vickie suffers from CD overload: > YOW!! 1993-Happy, Kate, Jane, Sarah, Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, > k.d. lang *and* Kirsty MacColl??? That's 8. Only 2 more for the > Top 10. Peter Gabriel. That's 9. Yikes! *TORI!!* Hurry up!! Well, how about Rainbirds for the last one? Or you could count Happy twice... :-) -+- Steve, another of Vickie's many acolytes, writes: > P.S. I like "acolyte" much better than "sycophant" (never did like > figs). Do we get to wear long robes, with cowls? I've always wanted a > cowl! I'd like to suggest that they should be coloured the lovely deep > blue of the Ecto T-shirt. I could really get into that! :-) Great idea! Yeah, I've also always wanted a robe and cowl... And just think of the effect at Happy's next concert when twenty Ectophiles in midnight blue robes sweep into the room; we should be able to conquer the first rows without any resistance... Just to make sure we get Happy all to ourselves, we could make up some pamphlets with Happy's monster drawings and distribute them at the door! ;-) -+- Dirk persevered and succeeded: > P.S.: YIPPIIIIEEEH! I'm so in love! After all those years of > monkish abstinence, when I nearly lost all hope and often thought > about suicide (no, not really), I met HER. She's so sweet 8-) > I hope that it won't be a temporary affair (keep your fingers > crossed for me :-) Hey, congratulations!!! Sorry, can't keep my fingers crossed, I need them for typing... :-) -+- mjm writes about autumnal music: > Today was a fall-like day in Chicago (at least in the AM) and > that yearly autumn craving I get for The Sensual World crept into > my system again. It is *amazing* how the weather puts me in the > mood for that album. I'm still not sure if it's music or > the time of release, but I think it's the music. My personal weather-dependend-music-craving is Enya's "Watermark"; this is simply phenomenal for rainy days... Of course, this isn't restricted to autumns, but there *is* a certain correlation... :-) -+- Jeff noted that a new scan of the EctoForm was available: > The new file is on hardees.rutgers.edu in pub/hr/gifs/Misc and is called > ew2.gif. The scan is 639x379 256 color. Wonderful job, Jeff! Thanks for your efforts! It's probably just as well that this was supposed to be a unique gift for Happy: Otherwise you'd have been swamped by requests for EctoForms from the rest of us! Talking about the EctoForm, has your expenses been covered? -+- Vickie asked the Nordic Ecto Conspiracy: > I just had a thought...we have no female Nordicphiles do we? I thougt > about that because I'd been meaning to ask...Perttu, what's Riika-Leena > (I hope I got that spelling right) up to? Is she finished with the "Up > With People" tour yet or still out on the road? How are you doing away > from home? As you know, Riika-Leena has returned to Ecto, but otherwise I do not think that we have any female Nordicphiles... A sad lack! So if there is anybody hiding out there, tell us about youself! :-) > Who's Dag? Hi Dag! Have we met? Welcome to Ecto! Can't remember if Dag has introduced himself; he's also from Tromsoe, Norway. Dag, step up and take a bow! [Actually, I'm not sure if Dag is around at the moment. Yngve?] -+- Anthony gets into serious topics: > Well, you *do* have somewhat lighter beer than us here in Australia and those > creators of the amazing and deadly Elephant Beer over there in Europe... :-) And later: > Elephant Beer is made by Carlsberg, which originates in Denmark, I believe... Carlsberg is indeed Danish... When some of my friends heard about this thread, they suggested that I should recommend the pub "Musen og Elefanten" ("The Mouse and the Elephant") to any Ectophile passing through Copenhagen: This is a nice pub close to the center of the city, and their draft beer is Elephant Beer... I *had* noticed that you get the beer from an elephant trunk, but I hadn't twigged to the fact that it's Elephant Beer; hmm, this might explain why their beer tends to hit a bit hard... ;-) Hey, I'm going to Australia next month; want me to bring some Albani 1000 beers? ;-) They contain about 10% alchohol... Though I don't doubt the Belgians can come up with something stronger... :-) -+- The HRRF spokesperson M. Tarr makes an announcement: > This communique is to inform you all of the formation of the HRRF > (Happy Rhodes Recording Front). Our purpose is simple: To get > the music of Happy Rhodes in every household in America and on > every radio station as soon as possible, BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. Hmm, I though our name was the Peoples Front for Happy Recording! Isn't HRRF Jon Drukman's group? ;-) Btw, Meredith, I finished "The Hound and the Falcon" a long time ago (in fact, shortly after I got hold of it, to the near detriment of my paper for the conference in Australia! ;-)), and I really liked it! Please tell your sister that she can chalk up another fan... :-) -+- Hmm, why did I suddenly come to think about albums with bad engineering? ;-) Anyway, does anyone know of better recordings of Laurie Freelove's "Heaven on Earth" or "O My Heart" than the ones which appear on the "Smells Like Truth" album (Ensign 1991, CCD 1849)? This song absolutely screams for being played as loud as possible, but the engineering is atrocious... -+- John had another idea for Ecto accessories, though not quite as exciting as robes (:-)): > Now, I've been thinking, wouldn't it be great to have something like > business cards that we could give to people? The cards would have the > Happy catalog on one side, and the address on the other. I know something like > this was included in EQ and CD5, but I don't want to give mine up. :) I > was just thinking of a simple card, with the info on it. Good idea, I've had occasional use for such a card as well... As the time I got stopped in Budapest because somebody wanted to read my back (I was wearing the AG t-shirt)... -+- Then I managed to flabbergast Doug: > I can't believe anyone, even in Denmark, hasn't heard of Chicago (the group, > not the city :) ). Which city? ;-) Well, I'll admit that I've seen quite a few of their albums in the CD stores, but the very number has made me suspicious of the quality. Based on your recommendation, I might try out one of the earlier ones, the next time I see one... I can't actually remember a Chicago song (unless they wrote "Come to Chicago"? :-) Learned that one in high-school)... > At Jens' request, here are the lyrics (in English) for _Dialogue_. For the > Danish, listen to the Nordic sampler (when it's ready -- I'm still waiting for > my tape shipment :( ). Well, I've transcribed the Danish version now, it's quite close to the original. For your enjoyment: > _Dialogue_ by Robert Lamm _Dialog_ af Robert Lann/Lasse Lunderskov > Part I Del I > Terry: Are you optimistic 'bout the way things are going? Daimi: Ser du optimistisk paa de ting der sker idag? > Peter: No, I never ever think of it at all. Sanne: Nej, det bekymrer jeg mig ikke om. > Terry: Don't you ever worry when you see what's going down? Daimi: Roer du ikke en finger naar du foeler ubehag? > Peter: No, I try to mind my business, that is, no business at all. Sanne: Jeg passer bare mig selv, det er faktisk ingen sag. > Terry: When it's time to function as a feeling human being, will your > Bachelor of Arts help you get by? Daimi: Naar du saa er tvungen til at vise foelsomhed, tror du saa dit filosofikum slaar til? > Peter: I hope to study further, a few more years or so. I also hope to keep > a steady high. Sanne: Jeg haaber at studere bare et par aar endnu. Jeg haaber at min eksamen den bliver god. > Terry: Will you try to change things, use the power that you have, the power > of a million new ideas? Daimi: Vil du aendre verden med den magt du faar, magten i en masse nye ideer? > Peter: What is this power you speak of and this need for things to change? I > always thought that everything was fine. Sanne: Hvad mener du med magt og hvorfor vil du aendre ting? Jeg synes da ikke at man kan oenske mere. > Terry: Don't you feel repression just closing in around? * Daimi: Bliver du aldrig nedtrykt naar den staerkeste faar ret? > Peter: No, the campus here is very, very free. * Sanne: Du ved jo godt vi har demokrati. > Terry: Does it make you angry the way war is dragging on? Daimi: Men hvadsaa med krigen, kan den ikke goere dig skoer? > Peter: Well, I hope the President knows what he's into. I don't know. Sanne: Jeg haaber praesidenten har lidt check paa det han goer. > Terry: Don't you ever see starvation in the city where you live, all the > needless hunger, all the needless pain? Daimi: Ved du mange mennesker lide under hungersnoed, unoedvendig smerte, unoedvendig doed? > Peter: I haven't been there lately, the country is so fine, but my neighbors > don't seem hungry, 'cause they haven't got the time. Sanne: Personligt har jeg ikke, men derhjemme hvor jeg bor, mennesker jeg kender, nej de sulter ikke spor. > Terry: Thank you for the talk, you know you really eased my mind. I was > troubled by the shapes of things to come. Daimi: Tak for denne sludder, den har virkeligt sagt mig noget. Jeg var tynget men nu gaar det godt igen. > Peter: Well, if you had my outlook, your feelings would be numb, you'd always > think that everything was fine. Sanne: Ja havde du blot min baggrund, saa du lykken lidt mere, og var ikke utilfreds med det der sker. > Part II Del II > We can make it happen > We can change the world now > We can save the children > We can make it better > We can make it happen > We can save the children > We can make it happen Vi kan goere det bedre [3 times] Vi kan aendre verden [3 times] Vi kan redde boernene [3 times] Vi kan lade det ske nu [3 times] Vi kan goere det bedre [16 times] The only part which differs significantly are the two lines marked with a '*'. These translates (back) to: Daimi: Bliver du aldrig nedtrykt naar den staerkeste faar ret? Do you never feel depressed, when the strongest wins? Sanne: Du ved jo godt vi har demokrati. You know very well that this is a democracy. There are also some smaller differences to make the lyrics fit the music so I wouldn't recommend this as the basis of a "teach yourself Danish" course... ;-) -+- Dennis typed in connection with Joan Baez' Humanitas foundation: > And the rest sounds wonderful as well, by the way, don't get me wrong :-) > I love Dylan's old stuff. (Although I was devastated when I found that > "I Want You" by Sophie B Hawkins was a Dylan cover (Images of Dylan > crooning "I Want You" ruin the whole feeling) Well, I haven't heard Sophie B Hawkins version, but Dylan does some pretty powerful versions. You can find it on (at least) "Blonde on Blonde" (rocking version) or "Bob Dylan at Budokan" (preaching version! ;-)). I suspect I also got a cover version somewhere, but I can't remember the artist... Incidentally, I think Joan Baez does some of the best Dylan covers around... -+- [...flops my tail in the air...] Not really apropos any posting (is this permitted in a klaus or will I get disqualified? ;-)): I've been listening to Vickie's compilation tapes again and was struck by Sonoko's wonderful recitation of the Balcony Scene from from Romeo & Juliet. WHO IS THIS GIRL? Singer, actor? Can it be found on CD? Any info appreciated... Also, some time ago I mentioned Vaya Con Dios in Ecto. I noticed that Carmel ("Bad Day" on SiG_V) sounds a lot like Dani Klein from VCD, though DK has a stronger voice. The music is similar too. -+- Anthony returns: > If you like Carey I'd also recommend checking out the film "Until The End Of > The World", which he wrote the screenplay for with Wim Wenders. In case you don't like Carey, you should also check out UtEotW. No questions, just do it... Jeff seems to agree (:-)): > HEY! Totally cool. Perhaps that's why I loved the movie so much. Or > maybe it was the cinematography. Or the acting. Or the MUSIC! Or... oh, > never mind, this could go on all morning. Yeah... sigh... > I watched the movie with friends on videotape and we were probably talking > amongst ourselves when I should have been paying more attention to the > credits. That's a fact I definitely would have appreciated... No, no, no! ;-) This film should be seen on the big screen - the cinematography is (also) awesome! If necessary, rent a cinema and show the film to your friends! ;-) brni later suggests that perhaps Solveig Dommartin is the reason we like the film so much? Why, of course! After all, she's credited with (as far as I remember) original idea (along with Wim Wenders) and some of the photography (in China, I think). So, sure, she's important! ;-) -+- Angelos found a most interesting single: > Laurie Freelove- Heaven on earth. I loved this song on the album, so I looked > forward to 3 remixes of it. But what caught my attention was a live version > of 'Dear Prudence' which is out-of-this-world. Wow! Any non-bad-engineering mixes of "Heaven on Earth" or "O My Heart"? [See my note above...] -+- Uli asks: > Has anyone else succeeded in opening an IC in some 'nice' way? Well, we once had a chip design which didn't work because of a short between the power supplies, so we wanted to open the package (relatively gently!). One of our mechanics managed to do it by using a diamond saw usually used for slicing silicon. Then we used a micro-probe to cut through the overglass and through the offending supply wire and finally we could connect power through another probe jammed through the overglass. Microsurgery... ;-) The chip actually worked, apart from the supply short... -+- Vickie and Troy, thinking about you and your friends... -+- mjm moves on to fishy business: > You know what we ought to do: look it up in the > time-honored ecto archives! Because I know you posted > all that stuff on ecto way back when. > Is there an easy way to search for things in the archives, Jessica? Sure, just keep a complete set of uncompressed digests on your harddisk (that reminds me, I'll need a new disk soon... ;-))! > I know there was a title for this, but I lost the > original post, so just called it by your name for ease of reference. Take a look in the pre-digest "ecto.07.29.91", and you'll find Jeanne's original posting of this poem. Without a title, unfortunately! ;-) -+- I'm not sure I want to get involved in the non-native English-singing artists thread... ;-) Suffice to say, that if a Danish artist wishes to reach a larger audience, it's a good idea to sing in some foreign (from a Danish viewpoint) language... And English is an easy language to learn and (thus?) popular too... A more interesting question is the relative merits of the languages for various purposes: I can't judge the usefulness of English vs. Danish for poems (don't write them...), but I definitely find English easier to work with for non-fictional prose, mainly due to the wider range of almost-synonyms; this makes it easier to find a word with just the right shade of meaning in a given case. And I'd suppose this is an even greater advantage in fictional prose... Of course, as in Uli's case, I read and write more English than Danish, so this has a certain influence on my writing skill... -+- About Troy's list of musicians: Well, I've just started taking lessons in piano/keyboards, so I guess I'll be able to join the Ecto band in some 10-20 years... :-) So here's an entry for you: Jens P. Brage Tachyon keyboards ;-) -+- Vickie spills the beans: > Coming soon to an Ecto list near you: my transcriptions of interviews > I did with Mary Coughlin, Sheila Chandra and Heidi Berry. Still to > come, interviews with Dead Can Dance's Lisa Gerrard, Jane Siberry, > Wendy MaHarry, Iris DeMent, Eddi Reader and maybe, The Story. Still > trying to line up, Lisa Germano, The Cocteau Twins, and maybe (oh > please oh please) Kate. Eddi [hmm, it's hard to type when you're jumping up-and-down] Reader! I hope you'll post this interview as soon as it's ready... Pleeease! :-) -+- Steve shows off his geographical knowledge: > Hmmm. Ever heard of a small offshore island in Europe called Britain? > An island where a country called England is. From where English got > its name and where that language is still spoken. "England"? I thought that place was called Danelaw? ;-) :-) :-) -+- Wrt. "The Red Shoes" (no, I'm not going to comment on the music, it's much too early for that...), I'm surprised no-one has commented on the circular promotion insert beneath the disk... Or is this specific to the EMI release? This could be just the thing for Happy's next release (though she'll probably want to advertise her own albums, not Kate's... ;-)). Or it this a common phenomenon I just haven't seen before? Talking about CD packaging, the insert from Sarah McLachlan's new disk (thanks Neile!) is really nice! For once a durable design... -+- Kath postscribes: > Postscript moral of this story: Those who insit on ending paragraphs with > triple-dots need to ensure they use the proper mail address, to avoid having > to re-forward the message with the little arrows in front of every line. Well, using ellipses is a filthy habit anyway... -+- mjm pops up again, talking about "Two Faces": > OK, I think I know what you're talking about here. I sensed a > similar artsiness, maybe pretention, or whatever. My first reaction > was "what a strange, fresh concept." My second reaction was, > "maybe this is due to their being from another country." Alot of > the songs' lyrics are very direct (i.e. they treat words like > expensive commodities and use them very economically), and maybe > this is the result of English not being their first language. Hmm, I doubt this has anything to do with Katharina Franck's native tongue; partly because it is not nearly as prominent on the other albums, but also because of the way the lyrics for "Two Faces" have been written: If you study the words in the booklet carefully, it's very hard to make any sense of the lyrics; but listen to the flow of the lyrics when Katharina sings and you'll immediately get some strong images ("Real" is a good example)... I suspect it's deliberate. Who said Zen lyrics? > She does have an interesting voice in that it sounds more > like she's placing the words carefully and deliberately on top > of the music in their right places, rather than singing > a *flow* of words, as one would normally do when singing. I agree about Katharina Franck's voice; it's reminiscent of Laurie Anderson's speaking voice (now there's a master rhetorician...). -+- MIKEDEPUMPO apologizes: > UXVvdGluZyBteX [...] 9fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fXw0KDQo= Ok, apology accepted! ;-) -+- Anthony spreads evil rumors about Amigas (;-)): > I fed that to my C compiler (Amiga SAS/C 6.3) and upon running it got this; > > Onteg [...] > Err... et tu, Amiga. Well, you should just have used gcc, then it works perfectly! :-) Interesting difference, btw, it's probably an ANSI vs. K&R C incompatibility... -+- Finally, brni tells the story about his accident: Good to hear that your arm is getting better! > and don't stop at red lights! Hmm, not sure I'm going to take that advice (I'm a biker)! ;-) -+- [...and dives back down into the digests] Well, just as I was about to finish this klaus, Klaus posted a klaus reaching back far more than a mere 101 digests! Foiled again! Klaus, Master of Klausers, we salute you! ;-) Still got 40 digests to read... See all you later! :-) Jens P. Brage | And I looked up and there they were: Millions brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | of tiny teardrops just sort of hanging there. /\ | And I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. \SphereSoft | And I said to myself: What next big sky? ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)