Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #851 ecto, Number 851 Monday, 8 November 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: nonsexical talk "Happy?" asked Noel. Re: ecto #849 Bdays _The Red Shoes_ impressions TRS review Yippie! travellin around :) Re: Del Palmer in decent engineering shock! _Snowcrash_ -- thanks! TRS review Jane in NYC Jane Siberry In London Fumbling Towards Ecstasy RE: Lots o' new KaTe (for me) :) Re: A Brief History of Anti-SF ======================================================================== From: louis@netcom.com (Roy Sette) Subject: Re: nonsexical talk Date: Sun, 7 Nov 93 16:41:08 PST >By the way. I'm not anti-gender or anti-mail. >-seanympf ^^^^^^^^^ Considering the nature of etco, I should say not! Just a hunch mind you, but I bet you aren't anti-male, either. :-) -- Roy louis@netcom.com ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1993 21:07:54 -0500 (EST) From: HOLLY@umbc2.umbc.edu Subject: "Happy?" asked Noel. I was playing Rhodes II at work when my brother Noel and my twin sister Ivy stopped in. Noel: Eww...is that whiny Kate Bush? Ivy: Kate Bush sucks. me: No, this is "whiny" Happy Rhodes. Noel: What's her name? me: Happy Rhodes. Noel: Happy? Ivy: Are you deaf? Noel: She doesn't sound happy. So my siblings have no taste in music, what? Lots of other people who come into the print room ask me who it is I'm listening to when I've got Happy playing, and some of my coworkers have actually bought Happy discs. Yay! Holly ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1993 02:14:50 -0500 (EST) From: MMCQUAD1@ithaca.edu Subject: Re: ecto #849 Hello all, and welcome to my first post on ecto. My $.02 about artists trashing their older works: I'm a music major at Ithaca College and I had the opportunity to take a composition class, the final project for which was to write a piece to be presented on a recital at the end of the semester. I did this for two semesters. The first semster I wrote a brass quintet. At the time I was very proud of it. However, about a month after the recital I listened to the recording of the concert and was mortally embarrassed by what I heard. To my slightly older and more experienced ears it sounded naive and melodramatic. So, I set out to correct the "error of my ways" when I wrote the second piece, which was a duet for cello and piano. This work was signifcantly better than my first work. And up until about an hour ago I would have even gone so far as to call it pretty good. But guess what I did an hour ago? That's right, I listened to the piece. While I still think it's better than the first one, I was again embarrassed but what I had previously been proud of. So I guess my point is that it's all about growth as a musician and as a human being. This is not to say that artists should be blatantly or offensively vocal about their embarassment or disdain for previous works, but that it is understandable why they might. I figure it's better than stagnating, right? Thanks for listening/reading (if you did!) :-) Michelle ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 2:34:13 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Bdays HAPPY BIRTHDAYS to Larry, Jens & Lynn!!! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 00:55:47 PST From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: _The Red Shoes_ impressions Well, I've been listening to TRS for the last 24 hours or so, and here's what I think so far: Rubberband Girl: Good, fun Kate. And So Is Love: I _like_ it. Somber and potent. Eat The Music: Inoffensive. In a bad way. I actually heard it a while ago when I bought the ETM CD-single. It's not growing on me but I don't completely hate it. Moments of Pleasure: I like it, but it hasn't quite clicked with me yet. Song of Solomon: OK, she can pull of the "don't want your bullshit, just want your sexuality" line. This one will take some time to absorb too. Lily: Now we're getting weirder. Not bad. The Red Shoes: You're right, you _can't_ listen to this and keep still. A better grabber than "Rubberband Girl". Top of the City: It doesn't inspire _Brazil_ imagery in me, even though _Brazil_ is one of my favorite movies and I wouldn't mind if it happened. I like the song, though. Constellation of the Heart: I like this one a lot, too. The "turn your telescopes inside out and point them away from the big sky" line keeps going through my head. Big Stripey Lie: You all know what I think of this one. I'm kind of bummed that I've already gotten over the shock of this one; it would have made me rave about the album even more if I had first heard it with the rest. Why Should I Love You: I got through this song about twice. Then I have to either rewind my tape or skip to the next song. You're the One: I haven't listened to this one that much yet, due to the layout of the tape I made (this album is over 50 minutes long?). After WSILY it sounds much better. Favorites so far: "And So Is Love", "Lily", "The Red Shoes", "Constellation of the Heart", "Top of the City", "Big Stripey Lie". I do occasionally find myself wishing that Kate didn't smoke. There are several places where her voice clogs up where it wouldn't have in the past. Perhaps Happy should take that as an object lesson; I find that I am beginning to prefer Happy's voice to that of the recent Kate because of Happy's greater range and clarity. ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 08:54:11 GMT Subject: TRS review I read this album review in Time-Out (weekly London listings mag). What does it all mean!! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kate Bush does not make wholly satisfying albums. Her outlook - and probably her methods - are too orchidaceous to survive in the open fallow of common album husbandry. Indeed, far from binding her works, her taste for literary imagery, and Old World kul-cher in general, invariably serves to mould her records into an over-ripe referential compost, leaving the listener to don wellies and forage in bafflement for stuff s/he can use in the ordinary world. Bush albums are best taken like a curate's egg. Bit by bit. 'The Red Shoes' is a Power-Pressburger reference, of course, continuing Bush's thematic preoccupation with dreams, archetype and other Jungian fare. The CD booklet is throbbing with pomegranates and other slurpable fruit. While on the front a pair of scarlet-shod ballet feet go up on points against snow, ribbons dragging like skeins of blood. No surprise, then, that the atmosphere within is heavy with the stink of confined sexuality: tiny-voiced Kate crated up in an Angela Carter nightmare, haunted by ambiguous household gods, dying for a squelch of pumpkin, worried by love. There's a 'Song Of Solomon', an 'Eat The Music'. a 'Lily' and 'Moments Of Pleasure', all of them cavernously recorded, enabling figures like Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck and Trio Bulgarka to drift among the hangings like wraiths. There's plenty of clumpy loud stuff too but the best tunes, as has often been the case, are hushed and delicate: 'And So Is Love' and 'You're The One' are sad ballads, wracked and ruined; while 'Why Should I Love You' is a languorous pavanne (sic), heavily perked by Prince and, strewth, Lenny Henry. Is she potty? Probably. But she gets you there sometimes. Nick Coleman Time Out 2/11/93 ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 4:01:53 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: _The Red Shoes_ impressions Steve VanDs: > I do occasionally find myself wishing that Kate didn't smoke. > There are several places where her voice clogs up where it > wouldn't have in the past. Perhaps Happy should take that as an > object lesson; I find that I am beginning to prefer Happy's voice ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > to that of the recent Kate because of Happy's greater range and > clarity. Steve, Happy quit smoking over a year ago. I posted about it, you must have missed it. *HUG* Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 4:04:29 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Yippie! I started to write about my weekend and lost it. I think I can get it back, but now I'm too tired to continue working on it. Bedways is rightways right now, so all I'll say is.... WE SAW JANE SIBERRY'S "NOT-A-CONCERT" IN DETROIT!!!! WE MET JANE SIBERRY!!!! I ***INTERVIEWED*** JANE SIBERRY!!!! YES, and she liked me! YESYES, and she wants to talk to me again! YESYESYES, we're going to Toronto! YESYESYESYES, I'll get to interview her again in Toronto!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And maybe, just maybe (ohpleasegoddessplease) I'll get to do a group interview with Jane, Mary Margaret, Holly, Victoria and Rebecca. Maybe, we'll see. I haven't asked about that yet. Jane definitely said that we could continue the interview in Toronto though. I didn't even have to prompt her, and she said that she'd like to talk to me more about women in music. I'm so happy!! After the last few weeks, I'm feeling pretty darn good now. **THANKS** to everyone who has sent well-wishes & hugs and "glad you're back"s because, as always, they help me. They really do, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate the warmth. To Ectophiles everywhere: ***HUGS*** Nighty night Juha! Vickie "Clownliness is next to Godliness" JS ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 01:10:42 PST From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Re: _The Red Shoes_ impressions WretchAwry writes: > Steve, Happy quit smoking over a year ago. I posted about it, you > must have missed it. I stand (well, sit) corrected. Happy's sensibility continues to impress me. I thought I had remembered something about that, but my memories aren't timestamped and it had to fight it out with the other memory that said she did smoke. I look forward to many years of Happy's warm, rich lows and crystal-clear highs. Perhaps now Kate will take an object lesson from Happy? :-) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 08 Nov 93 11:01:44 RSA From: prat <035H13P@witsvma.wits.ac.za> Subject: travellin around :) hiya fellow ectophiles!! juss thought i'd drop a note to say hi and ask if anyone is keen on going around usa, central america, island hoppin in ze carribean and all that jazz at the end of this year?? - will be a rave :) take care and peace love from soud africa prat ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 7 Nov 93 14:17 MET From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Del Palmer in decent engineering shock! > * Del Palmer has had four years to learn how to engineer a recording that > doesn't sound like it was a PortaStudio demo. He's succeeded. Whether Kate's > updated the equipment in her studio, or Del's been learning, or it was Kevin > Killen's fault all along on TSW, but this one is very nicely recorded thank > you. And no tape hiss either. Nice change. :-) Kate has updated the equipment. She works digitally now. See rec.music.gaffa for an interview with Del. On multiple request I could forward it to Ecto. > * Kate may Eat The Music. I have to Eat My Words. I expressed doubt about the > quality of the album after hearing "Rubberband Girl" - which I still don't > like, BTW - but this is a very strong album, streets ahead of TSW (there's > none of that album's guitar histrionics and dead spots), and just from this > first listen, I can tell it's going to be up there in my top five for the > year. It doesn't beat Margot's album, though, Uli! :-) Nice to hear (Kate's still better than Margot, but that's by default). > * Prince should find another $$%#^%ing backing vocal style. It's too > intrusive. What you hear in the backing vocals is mainly not Prince but Lenny Henry. > * Jeff Beck is old. So is Eric Clapton. Nigel Kennedy isn't. All three do a good job. IMHO of course. > * I'd have preferred a stapled booklet instead of a fold-out. Well, this is show but unusable. If it's worn out you're supposed to buy a new CD... > * That Prince-laden song is probably the first thing he has ever played on > that he hasn't either produced or mixed... I'll ask a friend of mine! > Now, as always, back to your regular programming, and a backlog of 268 > EctoMessages I have to clear before I call up to get some more... :-) That many? Ah yes, you moved... I only start worrying if the periods between polling increase and increase due to "I'm not yet ready with the previous stuff"... Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 09:17:31 GMT From: imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) Subject: _Snowcrash_ -- thanks! Thanks to the various pepole who recommended Neal Stephenson's _Snowcrash_, which I got round to reading Sat evening & yesterday. Definitely a fun, if silly, ride. Manages to use "hacker" properly. Approaches that sense of HHOS. Style's a bit choppy. I can live with that. Really. Certainly gives a new perspective on what those apparently base64 encoded messages *really* were :) I. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 09:22:19 GMT From: imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) Subject: TRS review I think he must be angling for a job with the 'Maker :) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 4:36:22 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Jane in NYC (Hi SteveVanD!) One more thing, Jane is going to be at the Bottom Line in NYC. I hadn't seen it mentioned here yet. I just found out about it and the person who told me seemed to think that it was already sold out. woj, do you know anything about this? I'm not sure of the date, but I think it's the 11th (of November) and I *think* she's doing two shows there. Another thing I didn't see mentioned was that Jane played two shows in London the 3rd and 4th. Did any London/area Ectophiles go to either of these shows? I will write (and answer your question KenD) about the show. Still, if anyone does have a chance to go to one of the upcoming shows, **DON'T MISS IT**!!! **TRUST ME** Vickie (Yep, in case anyone's wondering, I gave Jane a CD of Warpaint. That was my last extra copy of anything, so now I have to go buy some more. I definitely want to pass some Happy CDs out in Toronto.) ======================================================================== From: "Mr. P. Kulawec" Subject: Jane Siberry In London Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 10:31:11 GMT Vickie asks: > > Another thing I didn't see mentioned was that Jane played two shows > in London the 3rd and 4th. Did any London/area Ectophiles go to > either of these shows? > Yes. No time for a review at the moment but it was really something quite extraordinary. There was a third show (at 10:30 at night) because the other two were sold out! > I will write (and answer your question KenD) about the show. Still, if > anyone does have a chance to go to one of the upcoming shows, **DON'T > MISS IT**!!! **TRUST ME** > **TRUST HER** :-) peter ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 06:37:01 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (the horizon you run to) Subject: Re: Jane in NYC WretchAwry sez: >One more thing, Jane is going to be at the Bottom Line in NYC. I >hadn't seen it mentioned here yet. I just found out about it and >the person who told me seemed to think that it was already sold >out. woj, do you know anything about this? it's this thursday. i had heard about the show a while ago but could never remember the date. i figured out when it was over the weekend and am calling the bottom line today. sold out? i hope not...i've never seen jane (queue the tale of the janeless weekend... :) and want want want to. i'll post details as i figure them out. +woj ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 13:37:39 GMT Subject: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy Just got my copy of FTE thanks to Nettwerks mail order. On first listen it sounds good but I think I'll have to force myself to listen to it a few more times - just to make sure :-)) tim ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 09:24:14 -0500 From: pearceja%pomis.dnet@wl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: RE: Lots o' new KaTe (for me) :) I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M Date: 08-Nov-1993 09:07am EST From: Lt Jeffrey A. Pearce PEARCEJA Dept: POSF Tel No: 55451 TO: _MAILER! ( _DDN[ECTO@NS1.RUTGERS.EDU] ) Subject: RE: Lots o' new KaTe (for me) :) Kath, You asked > Does anyone know if the military-person in the Experiment IV > video who is kind of the background military-person (dies on the > phone in the hall) is the actor who plays Bertie Wooster on > Masterpiece Theater? Well, the answer is yes. If I'm not mistaken his name is Hugh Laurie. If you watch much British TV, I think you'll probably see him in other things too. One that he's in for sure is a series called the Black Adder. If you enjoy him playing the idiot, he plays it to perfection in this show. I highly recommend it if you enjoy English humor. All of the Black Adder's (I-IV) are available on video tape. If you're really interested in Hugh Laurie, he's really featured in Black Adder III & IV. Enjoy. Jeff ======================================================================== From: dcwalter@tomservo.b23b.ingr.com (Christian Walters) Subject: Re: A Brief History of Anti-SF Date: Mon, 8 Nov 93 8:42:05 CST Quoth Aeren Hawkins: > > Maybe you live in a more liberal part of the world. But around here, > > suggesting that something could offend some minority is much like > > screaming "Jihad!" All of a sudden people are signing petitions, > > which I guess isn't that much like a jihad, unless they sign in blood, > > but you know what I mean :) > > (giggle) So when did they change the Alabama state flag? Or are y'all > still flying the stars and bars? :-) Oh, they haven't changed the flag :) It's the same flag that was flying in the 1800s! :) [Anti-SF chronology deleted] > So, as you can see, it's all Uli's fault. :-) :-) Uli, if you ever come to Alabama, you will be pelted with grits until you learn all the words to "My Home's In Alabama" and "God Bless The USA," and attend at least one June Jam in Fort Payne. :) -- Christian Walters * "If we all act responsibly, the world will become dcwalter@ingr.com * fresh and pure and can continue killing us with Intergraph Corporation * earthquakes, floods, hurricanes, tornadoes, and Huntsville, AL * volcanic eruptions." - James Lileks ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)