Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #838 ecto, Number 838 Tuesday, 2 November 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Delany! (Science Fiction Alert) Sarah's "Fumbling Towards Ecstacy" United States Live Everything and nothing Sarah via email? REPOST: 1993 Happy Gift Project Re: KaTeBox [and lots of other misc] Re: Maanam df tour dates, Delaney books in print, take 2 Delaney, Sci-Fi, Books in General, etc. anderson/burroughs/textual revisionism ======================================================================== Subject: Delany! (Science Fiction Alert) Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 2:55:30 CST From: Joe Zitt Neal R. Copperman copperates: > The American Shore - 1978 > Nova - 1983 (pb) > Dhalgren - 1983 (pb) > Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand - 1984, 1985(pb) > Bridge of Lost Desire - 1988 (paperback) > The Straits of Messina - 1989 (Serconia Press) > They Fly At Ciron - 1992, limited edition Incunabula WA > Neveryona, or, The Tale of Signs & Cities - 1993 (paperback, U Pr of New Eng.??) > Tales of Never Yon - 1993 (pb, UPofNE) Appears to be different. There are actually four Neveryon books: Tales of Neveryon, Neveryona, Flight from Neveryon, and The Bridge of Lost Desire. While I'm a Delany fanatic, though, I found these pretty much impenetrable, though I *do* keep returning to The Tale of Plagues and Carnivals from Flight from Neveryon. Last I spoke to Serconia Press some years back, The Straits of Messina had be indefinitely postponed because "Chip has taken it back to add some more of his page-long footnotes". I'm going to check with my fave bookstore -- if it's really available I will order it tomorrow (immediately *after* buying The Red Shoes!). What very little I've heard of They Fly at Ciron makes it hard for me to tell whether it's new or one of his very old unpublished tomes. But Dhalgren is *the* book to read. One of these years I do have to stage or record the opera I'd based on it... (ObHappy: Came home today really bummed out. Curled up on the floor in front of the stereo and played "Ode" several times. "I'm much better now.") ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 09:09:03 CET From: Ilka Heber Subject: Sarah's "Fumbling Towards Ecstacy" Hello Everybody! I'm very surprised!!! I can't believe I'm the first one to get the new album??? Or is it just that the exitement about TRS doesn't leave any space for Sarah? Anyway, I ordered the new CD by email (I *love* it!) and it arrived at my home yesterday. There are 12 songs on the album, running time is about 55 minutes. There aren't any drastic stillistic changes. I listened to it twice last night and I like it very much. I also ordered the Kate boxed set in Canada (from A & B sounds). Thanks a lot again to the person (sorry, I don't remember your name!) who posted on ecto about it. That's all for today! Byeeeeeee, Ilka = ) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 Nov 93 11:14:33 CET From: Ilka Heber Subject: Sarah's "Fumbling Towards Ecstacy" Hello Everybody! I'm very surprised!!! I can't believe I'm the first one to get the new album??? Or is it just that the exitement about TRS doesn't leave any space for Sarah? Anyway, I ordered the new CD by email (I *love* it!) and it arrived at my home yesterday. There are 12 songs on the album, running time is about 55 minutes. There aren't any drastic stillistic changes. I listened to it twice last night and I like it very much. I also ordered the Kate boxed set in Canada (from A & B sounds). Thanks a lot again to the person (sorry, I don't remember your name!) who posted on ecto about it. That's all for today! Byeeeeeee, Ilka = ) P.S.: I hope this doesn't go out twice - I had a problem the first time I tried and had my mail returned. ======================================================================== Date: 02 Nov 1993 07:29:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Cordelia's Mom Subject: United States Live Actually, there are five albums in the 'United States Live' set, which is also a very nifty packaging job, may I add. :) Maura ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 14:16:44 GMT From: Jeff Dalton Subject: Everything and nothing [This is partly a repost, since the first one seemed to go wrong, but maybe non-digest readers got it, who knows?] Raincoats: The 1st Raincoats LP has supposedly been reissued on CD. Supposedly is the operative word here, because I can't find it anywhere. Anyway, the Raincoats were slightly post-Punk (~1979), borrowed their drummer from the Slits, couldn't sing or play very well, and still managed to come up with some of the greatest stuff ever. Oddly enough, side 2 is better than side 1. My view, of course. My sister said it was the worst record she'd ever heard. But what does she know? Because the night: Patti's is better. I listend to both n times, and I still thought so. The rest of Easter is pretty good too. (Listen to the way natalie ends "night". There's something wrong there. Really.) Present tense books: Alice Hoffman: At Risk Keith (?) Roberts: Molly Zero. This is also 2nd person. "You shove your hands down in the pockets of your coat ..." Another 2nd person book, probably present tense too: Monique Wittig: The Opoponax. Originally in French, which may be easier to find these days. Communism: So if being a member is illegal in the US, how come Gus Hall gets to run for President again and again and Angela Davis for VP? 10,000 M: So how come Natalie has to split and find a new band. What's wrong with the old band, eh? Danaldson: Are there actually people who like Happy R _and_ some of the worst books ever written? :-> -- jd ======================================================================== From: dcwalter@tomservo.b23b.ingr.com (Christian Walters) Subject: Sarah via email? Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 8:38:46 CST Hi all. This actually should be a personal to Ilka, but for some reason my mailer can't find her computer any more. Odd, since we had a delightful discussion of German sausages just a couple of months ago! :) Just as well, I guess, since maybe I can get more info from the Ecto hive mind than from Ilka herself :) ======================================================================== And what's the cover look like? :) Thanks! -- Christian Walters * "In order to make sure you don't harm the earth dcwalter@ingr.com * any more than you already have, please die at the Intergraph Corporation * earliest possible opportunity. Have your survivors Huntsville, AL * drop you off at a compost heap." - James Lileks ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 08:03:08 MST From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: REPOST: 1993 Happy Gift Project Greetings, [This seems to have made it to loose mail, but not to the digest. I apologize to everyone who is seeing it for the second time. db ] Just when you thought it was safe to read Ecto again ... This is the initial announcement for the 1993 Happy Gift Project. December is a traditional time for gift giving, so The Management (Mitch Pravatiner and myself) invite everyone to contribute towards a collective gift from Ectophiles to Happy Rhodes. As per tradition (Ecto is old enough to have traditions!? :) ), you are invited to contribute a selection of music that you would like Happy to hear, along with any personal greetings, song introductions, whatever. The _only_ restriction is that your total contribution not exceed ten minutes in length. (Well, I don't know if we'd accept a John Cage homage called 9'47" :) ). Even then, feel free to add extra musical selections which can fill any leftover or odd spaces on the final tapes. If you do so, please make clear which selections are part of your official contribution and the priority you place on the additional bits. (We know. They are all great, but this still would be much appreciated. :) ) Original music is not only welcomed but encouraged! All of this will be copied onto a master tape, tied together with seasonally appropriate selections by The Management (Suggestions welcomed!) and the dulcet tones of Master of Ceremony Mitch Pravatiner. A copy will be mailed to one Happy Rhodes. The recent Happy Birthday Project also included a small gift, a kite handmade by Jeff Burka, a perfect addition to the tapes, in my opinion. It would be great to add a similar gift to this package. We hereby declare this electronic floor open for suggestions. I am also issuing a call for a volunteer to gift-wrap and mail the final package to Happy. Anyone should be able to better any ham-fisted attempt of mine. I would re-imburse any expenses of the wrapping and mailing. We hope that gives the spirit of this project, so on to the administrative details. Record your spoken greetings/introductions and musical selections on a cassette tape (heavily suggested: C-100 chrome bias, recorded in Dolby B) and mail it to me: Doug Burks 2036 W Plum St C7 Fort Collins CO 80521 USA In return, when the project is finished, I will mail all contributors a copy of the final 1993 Happy Gift Project tapes. Unfortunately, the number and length of the cassettes required to hold the final project will depend on the contributions. As a guideline, preceding projects have ended up on either two C-100 tapes or three C-90 tapes. If the project runs onto two tapes, I will supply the second tape (your choice of type) free to any contributors. If it runs onto a third (or fourth? :) ) tape, the responsibility for the additional tapes is yours, so please choose which tape dubbing project option you want to use. All return packaging and postage will be covered by me for all contributors. Copies of the 1993 Happy Gift Project will be available for non-contributors via the tape dubbing project. Watch this space in late December for an announcement. If you would like to include personal greetings or music introductions but have no way to record them, feel free to e-mail your greetings/introductions to Mitch Pravatiner (u15289@uicvm.cc.uic.edu), and he will record your greetings on a tape and mail it to me for blending with your musical selections. The deadline for all of this will be 10 Dec. Due to the over-burdened postal services in late November and December, please act soon! If you have any questions, comments, raspberries, feel free to post them or e-mail them to me or Mitch. I strongly encourage everyone to contribute. Don't worry about the quality of your selections. Just look at mine over the years and realize how easily you can best them! :) Let's make this the biggest and best project ever! Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 08:20:29 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: KaTeBox [and lots of other misc] On Mon, 1 Nov 1993, Neal R. Copperman wrote: > While I was in Denver, I did some comparisons between the American discs > and the Japanese box my friend had. We both noticed an obvious difference > in the sound, with the Japanese box being cleaner and sharper. While we > could clearly identify which disc was which when comparing the two, I am > not sure how noticable the difference would be if you just put one on > divorced from the other. > > I'm curious if there will be any improvements on the cheap Canadian > discs. Actually, on a closer examination the discs are the SuperSaver American discs--the only difference is the wrapping, which has SuperSaver in French. It looks like _The Sensual World_ has the liner notes and lyrics, but that makes sense as there hasn't been a lower price version produced. In other news I got email from Henry Frayne (of The Moon Seven Times) about the Area discs--he says there is a chance they will be reissued. He also says that The Moon Seven Times just finished a long haul of studio work, which I presume means they will producing a new recording very soon. He also reports that there's a side project of his available now, called Lanterna. Also got some cool discs from a place called Rare Necessities--a CD4 of Eddi Reader and she does a wonderful version of the trad. song "The Blacksmith" (which has also been recorded by Steeleye Span [twice] and Loreena McKennitt), a CD4 of Christmas songs by Mary Margaret O'Hara, and a 3" cd of Kristy MacColl's "Innocence" with the Guilt Mix as it appears on Vickie's wonderful Femme Music Collection, available from Doug Burk and the Tape Dubbing Project. Had to bring our portable CD player to work as I'm meeting Michael Peskura up at the local Tower at 9:00 while they serve coffee and KaTe. The last time I had to bring the player to work was when we got _Equipoise_. WRT the Ectophiles Guide--it's still in the compilation stage. It's been a little sidetracked by the stacks of work I have to do (I'm presently working on an editing project I got paid for last June--gulp), and by the absense of Mary Lou, who has apparently been off work and thus net access for a long spell due to illness. It is still in the works and is not forgotten. Feel free to send in reviews of any new music you want to talk about or anyone you think might not yet be included to ethelred@u.washington.edu! --Neile Graham neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1993 18:00:00 +0100 From: Karl Dotzek Subject: Re: Maanam I know Maanam since quite a while, after they played a few gigs also here in Stuttgart, which was about six or five years ago on a tour through Europe. In Germany they released quite some stuff (four or five LPs) on a major label (Polydor?). I remember Nocny Patrol was called Night Patrol overhere. While I like the Checkian "Laura and the tigers" more, Maanam is nevertheless one of the better mainstream bands, as Kora's cool, sexy voice combined with the Polish lyrics gives the exotic touch to the otherwise relatively ordinary instrumental sound. -K ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 09:35:09 PST From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: df tour dates, Delaney books in print, take 2 I sent this out last night, got a bunch of odd errors and no copy for myself this morning, so if it looks familiar, sorry (unless for some very bizarre reason you found it so fascinating that you want to read it again). To our own French Railroad Co.: United STates live on 2-CDs?? Methinks there's a counting problem here or if you are a real Laurie Anderson fan (which it sounds like) you are lacking a few hours of music. I"ve never seen a 2_cd version. The one I have is 4 Cd and it's pretty packed, though the packaging isn't as nice as the albums (which I think are also count in at 4 incredibly long albums.) My compliments to Klaus the observant for picking out the pseudo-submission of my birthday (and removing it as a question for possible future giveaways, sorry Phillip). I have mentioned disappear fear a few times in the past, and was happy to see a little recognition of their name out there. I've seen them live many of times (might even be up to dozens) and highly recommend them. This is what's left of their latest tour, but they are on the road a lot, so keep your eyes peeled (I've always loved that image). NOVEMBER 1993 2 Trenton State College: Trenton, NJ *call to confirm 3 Rodeo Bar: New York City (Manhattan) *call to confirm 4 University of Connecticut: Storrs, CT (203) 486-3423 5 Amherst College: Amherst, MA (413) 542-5773 6 Fairfield University: Fairfield, CT (203) 254-4000 12 Hanover College: Hanover, IL *call to confirm 13 Valparaiso University: Valparaiso, IN *call to confirm 19 Sommerville Theatre: Sommerville, MA (617) 625-4088 28 Planet Nova: Fairfax, VA *call to confirm FOR MORE INFORMATION, CALL THE df hotline: *(410) 466-7213 mjm: Perhaps you have read more Science Fiction than you think if you have let 1984, Brave New World, or even Jurassic Park wander before your eyeballs. Science Fiction warning vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv I don't really know why, but my place of work has a really fine library, and they just recently got in the 1994 books in print, having to update from the hopelessly out of date 1993 version. Anyway, here is what they have for Samual R. Delaney: The American Shore - 1978 Nova - 1983 (pb) Dhalgren - 1983 (pb) Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand - 1984, 1985(pb) Bridge of Lost Desire - 1988 (paperback) The Straits of Messina - 1989 (Serconia Press) They Fly At Ciron - 1992, limited edition Incunabula WA Neveryona, or, The Tale of Signs & Cities - 1993 (paperback, U Pr of New Eng.??) Tales of Never Yon - 1993 (pb, UPofNE) Appears to be different. I may not have learned how to read all the abreviations in there correctly, and suspect the dates are for the editions, not the year the book was published. I've read Dhalgren, which is a massive and overwhelming book that really knocked me for a loop. I would love to have the time to read it again, or should at least make the time to read something else from the list above. Neal ----- End Included Message ----- ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 10:38:12 PST From: hanson@ast.saic.com (Jeffrey Hanson) Subject: Delaney, Sci-Fi, Books-in-General, etc. As a fairly newcomer to ecto, I think the variety of topics discussed in ecto is refreshing. I'm amazed at how many people bring up topics that I am interested in. Of those I'm not, its fairly easy to skip over them (though depending on your mail reader this may be more difficult for others). Samuel R. Delaney is one of my favorite sci-fi authors (along with John Varley and Roger Zelazny). I used to be really into sci-fi, but got somewhat burnt out on it because you could never read a single book, every book published in the sci-fi genre seems to be part of a never-ending series. Just when you think you're caught up on a series, you find out that three more are coming out (like what happened with the Dune series, the Foundation Trilogy, the Xanth novels, the Amber series, etc, etc, etc.) Dahlgren by Delaney is still one of my all-time favorite books. When I first read it in 7th or 8th grade I think I read it mostly for the sex scenes, but the book on a whole is like no other book I've ever read. Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand is also excellent--anyone hear anything lately about its sequel that was supposed to have been published about 4 years ago? I just keep hearing that Delaney is still working on it. Other favorite non-sci-fi/fantasy books: Brothers Karamazov (For some reason I just love Russian literature and this is my favorite of Dostoevsky) Prince of Tides--Pat Conroy -- book is mucho better than the movie Prayer for Owen Meany -- John Irving -- Irving is always fabulous, but this book is excellent in every aspect The Unbearable Lightness of Being - Milan Kundera Happy content: I've now had time to get to listen to both Ecto and Rhodes Vol. I extensively, and love both. The more I listen the more I realize Happy really doesn't sound much like anyone but herself--particularly her lower voice. My favorite song thus far is "I'm Not Awake, I'm Not Asleep". I love the vocal arrangements. Both these albums seem very much like "winter" albums-- good to listen to when the snow is falling and you're curled up with a good book. (Note that this does not happen very much in San Diego :( ). Are any of her albums more suited for spring or summer? One of the best feel-good summer albums is Everything But The Girl's Idlewild. Anything by the B-52's seems to be pretty summery, as well. Another example of a good winter album is Yazoo's You and Me Both. I used to play it the first snow of every winter when I lived in Colorado. Anyone else find albums to be seasonal? Well, enough for now. Anxiously awaiting the end of work so I can go by the New Kate, the new Cocteaus, the new Alison Moyet, and anything else that catches my eye. (Hi Neal!) Bye for now. Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 11:19:40 PST From: hanson@ast.saic.com (Jeffrey Hanson) Subject: Delaney, Sci-Fi, Books in General, etc. For some reason, this message seemed to bounce the first time I sent it. If it actually didn't, I apologize for reposting. As a recent newcomer to ecto, I think the variety of topics discussed in ecto is refreshing. I'm amazed at how many people bring up topics that I am interested in. Of those I'm not, its fairly easy to skip over them (though depending on your mail reader this may be more difficult for some than others). Samuel R. Delaney is one of my favorite sci-fi authors (along with John Varley and Roger Zelazny). I used to be really into sci-fi, but got somewhat burnt out on it because you could never read a single book, every book published in the sci-fi genre seems to be part of a never-ending series. Just when you think you're caught up on a series, you find out that three more are coming out (like what happened with the Dune series, the Foundation Trilogy, the Xanth novels, the Amber series, etc, etc, etc.) Dahlgren by Delaney is still one of my all-time favorite books. When I first read it in 7th or 8th grade I think I read it mostly for the sex scenes, but the book on a whole is like no other book I've ever read. Its such a visual experience reading it that you would imagine it would make a good movie, but I don't think a film could capture the images as well as Delaney's writing. Stars in My Pocket Like Grains of Sand is also excellent--anyone hear anything lately about its sequel that was supposed to have been published about 4 years ago? I just keep hearing that Delaney is still working on it. Other favorite non-sci-fi/fantasy books: Brothers Karamazov (For some reason I just love Russian literature and this is my favorite of Dostoevsky) Prince of Tides--Pat Conroy -- book is mucho better than the movie Prayer for Owen Meany -- John Irving -- Irving is always fabulous, but this book is excellent in every aspect The Unbearable Lightness of Being - Milan Kundera He can say so much in so few words! I also absolutely loved Was by Geoffrey Ryman. Highly recommend it to anyone who liked the Wizard of Oz, (though be warned, it is a depressing book). Happy content: I've now had time to get to listen to both Ecto and Rhodes Vol. I extensively, and love both. The more I listen the more I realize Happy really doesn't sound much like anyone but herself--particularly her lower voice. My favorite song thus far is "I'm Not Awake, I'm Not Asleep". I love the vocal arrangements. Both these albums seem very much like "winter" albums-- good to listen to when the snow is falling and you're curled up with a good book. (Note that this does not happen very often in San Diego :( ). Are any of her albums more suited for spring or summer? One of the best feel-good summer albums is Everything But The Girl's Idlewild. Anything by the B-52's seems to be pretty summery, as well. Another example of a good winter album is Yazoo's You and Me Both. I used to play it the first snow of every winter when I lived in Colorado. Anyone else find albums to be seasonal? Well, enough for now. Anxiously awaiting the end of work so I can go by the New Kate, the new Cocteaus, the new Alison Moyet, and anything else that catches my eye. (Hi Neal--see you soon!) Bye for now. Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 1 Nov 93 15:35:08 EST From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: anderson/burroughs/textual revisionism hi there, > >> are burroughs and anderson the authors? if not, could you please >> let me know? > >Jeffy kindof said this; but burroughs wrote Language is a Virus >(the half sentence), and Laurie Anderson wrote a song based >on that line. The Book Snowcrash goes into detail about language/ >ideas being viruses...Laurie Anderson says in a song from the album >'Strange Angels', "Womyn shouldn't >be president, because they go crazy from time to time." > "language is a virus from outer space" appears (as do many other famous burroughsisms) in the book _naked lunch_. i have all of anderson's albums, and have seen the film "homne of the brave" a bunch of times (probably more than i've seen "rocky horror"). i'm curious about the author(s) of _snowcrash_ so i can find it in a library or bookstore. this is not a flame: i think that jeff already mentioned this, but i might as well chime in. i think that textual revisionism is a bad thing. Anderson wrote "women" in the song. it would, in fact, have undermined the song had she used "womyn," since the "they" she refers to are those who feel that female humans ought to be in a lower position than male humans. a similar kind of revisionism exists in racial issues, where certain african-americans have claimed that the ancient egyptians were not caucasian (as they are generally depicted in US history books and movies)--and they are correct to claim this, but they claim that the ancient egyptians were black africans, which is false, as can be easily seen from their artwork, wherein the only blacks are either visiting dignitaries or slaves. when something is wrong, it is important to correct it, but when doing so, it is also important not to violate the integrity of the original "text." >'You're the one I want to share my money with' is a song on the >United States Live 2-cd set, and I think it is a movie. > does anyone know if the cd set has all the same pieces that the 4-tape set contains? just curious... >the duchess of york brni, the anti-elvis ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)