Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #364 ecto, Number 364 Thursday, 12 November 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* It's Skaludy's bday! Loreena stuff Turning 28 HAPPY BIRTHDAYS Re: HaPpY BIRTHDAY [ecto #361] shona "That's 30 for tonight"--Louella Parsons [&, of course, other stories] If you can't get enough of The Sugarcubes ... Today's your birthday friends... Yes, more Happy Birthdays!! Is Tori a wimp after all? ISBN, EAN, UPC various tori's vid Colorado again ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1992 11:59:36 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: It's Skaludy's bday! So have a happy one, Skaludy. May it be full of wonderful music. --Neile ======================================================================== Date: 9 November 1992 12:37:12 CST From: Subject: Loreena stuff One of the latent functions of my deranged sleeping patterns is that sometimes I'm awake to hear _Echoes_. This week's show had a feature on Loreena McKenitt , which in addition to the usual boilerplate had the datum that her next album will be informed by East Indian musical themes. Today's Chicago Tribune had a story on her, and the radio announced that she'll be appearing at Rizzoli Books in Chicago at 1 PM Wednesday, November 11 to autograph recordings and soforth. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 17:58:25 PST From: spotter@darwin.bio.uci.edu (Steve Potter) Subject: Turning 28 Thanks for all the birthday notes! I am proud to have yous as friends :-)) I expect that 28, like 27, will be one of those ages that has nothing special associated with it, and I will always be forgetting how old I am. I will be (hopefully) finishing graduate school this year, then its on to being a Real Scientist and figuring out how the brain works, and saving the world by creating better communication between all peoples.... I had a wonderful surprise party Saturday night. I have quite a reputation for dressing in odd colorful clothes, though the heavy weight of years has cramped my _style_, not to mention the fact that I am trying to slowly transform into a reputable professor eventually, and they dont dress like that. Anyway, everyone at the party was dressed up in wild, colorful clothes in my honor. Except me. How sad; my ex girlfriend (still a good friend) said we were going out to dinner, so I toned it down for her sake. Today, however, I made up for it by wearing my globular clusters tie and a Greg Brady style groovy paisly shirt with huge long lapels. Of course, once I have attained my Reputable Professor status, I will again be free to wear whatever the hell I want---Happy happy!! The AG program was the best example of "structured programming" I have ever seen, and the Happy Rhodes anagrams were great! Thanks Doug. Skaludy spotter@darwin.bio.uci.edu ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 08:44:24 +0000 From: Terry Partis Subject: HAPPY BIRTHDAYS here's wishing Happy birthdays to Nuno de Figueiredo and Ken Latta on November 11th. Have a Great Day folks. Terry =============================================================================== _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' Terry (Tel Boy) Partis \_.-._( ''' _ __ (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) _ __ / `-' ( ,,, With a smile and a song / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] I'm HaPpY | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' \_.-._( ''' YYUR - YYUB - ICURYY4ME =============================================================================== ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 18:44:24 +0100 From: brage@id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: Re: HaPpY BIRTHDAY [ecto #361] Hi! Vickie wrote: > HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Jens Brage!! (Scorpio Rising is my favorite 10M song) Thanks, I wondered if anybody would recognize the sign... :-) And thanks to Terry and Klaus for the birthday wishes... Jens P. Brage (jpb@id.dth.dk)| Between those in constant power and those in Design Automation Group |constant pain. Between those who run to glory Center of Integrated Electronics|and those who cannot run. Tell me, which ones Technical University of Denmark |are the cripples and which ones touch the sky? ======================================================================== Date: 10 Nov 92 13:10:04 EST From: MJM Subject: shona I received a pleasant surprise in the mail yesterday! A free promo cassette for the upcoming (current?) Peter Himmelman / Shona Laing tour. It had 2 Peter songs (I already have the album, so no biggee there) and 2 shona songs. The first, and I thought the better of the 2, was called Fear of Falling. The second was subtitled 42nd street (I forget the actual title) and I thought it was weaker. I really like Falling though. She talks about commercial airline crashes, the guitar work is nice... I want to hear it more. I guess I'll hold off on buying the album for a bit now. BTW, the package also had full tour dates... if more than 2 people are interested, I will post them. They are playing at the Chicago Theatre TG weekend, Sat. night. The first time I saw PH he played 5 nights at Schubas (all sold out). Then he played a 3.5 hour show at the Park West (a medium-sized club). The Chicago Theatre is a definite step up for him. yay. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: 10 November 1992 13:40:39 CST From: Subject: "That's 30 for tonight"--Louella Parsons [&, of course, other stories] Vickie's discourse the other day on upper-lower life crisis (as distinct from mid-life crisis, such as mine :-) ) reminded me of my own experience with all that. In my case, I don't recall my 28th being a particular bummer, but I certainly felt at the time that my 29th was. Then my 30th didn't seem so bad. The bottom line is that this is not an idiosyncratic reaction. Needless to say, it's when you get to be my age that you need to worry. Let me relate an anecdote from recent experience: Over the weekend, my already- teetering eyeglass frames happened to finally give way. They would not cement together, and in any event could no longer hold the right lens, which happened to fall out and break. Believing it unpragmatic to simply duplicate the same, 5-year-old prescription at the prices that 1-hour optical shops charge, I sub- mitted to an exam by the store's in-house optometrist (to go through my HMO would likely have taken weeks, during which I'd have had to make do with being semi-normal in one eye, and nearsighted in the other). To make a long story longer, I am now attempting to teach myself the fine points of looking at the world through bifocals (actually so-called composite lenses, which don't look like bifocals to the naked eye, but the idea is the same). Distance comes easy ; it's trying to look through the right area while reading that's challenging. Mercifully, perhaps, my paresthesia centers at this moment are concentrated on the residual cement around my new gold inlay, which is putting pressure on the adjacent teeth. Probably just as well that I messed up on the time, and missed the colloquium I was hoping to catch today--with my luck, these sundry physical agonies would join together to preclude my absorbing much. Friends, don't believe everything you hear--youth is not wasted on the young. Probably just as well I can't make the Loreena concert tomorrow night--I'd undoubtedly fall asleep on it. On the other hand, it may be unfortunate that I didn't develop that malady in the 1980's--with sleeping habits like that, I could have been President :-). All this talk of 30th birthdays reminds me of a song I've been meaning to con- tribute to the 1995 Happy Birthday Project, assuming that it's still a going concern in the meantime; and which I am pleased to share with you now anyway. LATHER (recorded by Jefferson Airplane) Lather was 30 years old today They took away all of his toys His mother sent newspaper clippings to him About his old friends who'd stopped being boys There was Harwood C. Green, just turned 33 His leather chair waits at the bank And Sergeant Dow Jones, 27 years old Commanding his very own tank But Lather still finds it a nice thing to do To lie about nude in the sand Drawing pictures of mountains that look like bumps And thrashing the air with his hands But wait, oh Lather's productive, you know, He produces the finest of sounds Putting drumsticks on either side of his nose Snorting the best licks in town But that's all over Lather was 30 years old today And Lather came foam from his tongue He looked at me eyes wide and plainly say "Is it true that I'm no longer young?" And the children call him famous What the old men call insane And sometimes he's so nameless That he hardly knows what game to play Which words to say And I should have told him "No, you're not old" And I should have let him go on Smiling Babywide This morning, when they were announcing tomorrow's guests on the WBEZ morning interview show, I thought I heard something through a burst of multipath dis- tortion that sounded like "McKennitt." It may be worth the while of Chicago subscribers to these pages to check out (91.5 FM, 9:00 AM [a time, not a simul- cast frequency :-)]). Later this afternoon, if I got the announcement right this morning, NPR will interview Mitchell Froom, the producer of Suzanne Vega's latest album. The new _Details_ magazine has a profile of SV. The current _Pulse_ rates Mouth Music's eponymous album as one of the ten best to have on laserdisc, or some other suppposedly spellbinding technology (not conventional CD). A couple of weeks ago, the _Chicago Maroon_ did a feature on P.J. Harvey. Now if only I could find the time and energy to read some of these things :-). One thing I have found the time to read happens to feed into the content of one of Vickie's recent posts. The current _Newsweek_ (I think) has a primer on Arkansas, that notes that it's an Indian word meaning The Place Downstream, or something to that effect. Also that in the 19th century, there was a close vote in the state legislature in which the common pronunciation won out over pronouncing it like Kansas with an Ar at the beginning. As I write this, I am listening to a tape of last weekend's Garrison Keillor show, on which Iris De Ment appeared; she mentioned on the air that she was born in Arkansas and used to live in Kansas City, which makes it doubly relevant to the substance of Vickie's post (though she didn't mention which KC she lived in). BTW: I support the idea of Mendelson posting the lyrics of the Bobs' song, as per his post yesterday. Mitch --------------------------------------- "The last tooth is always fun." --Richard Kaufman, DDS, prior to replacing a filling in my back tooth (novocain-free) this morning ======================================================================== Subject: If you can't get enough of The Sugarcubes ... From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 92 22:43:30 GMT ... this is for you. I've just picked up their new album "It's It" which contains 13 alternate mixes of old songs, running 75 minutes. I picked up a Limited Edition of this album, which I didn't know about, and this contains an additional CD with yet another 11 mixes and 55 minutes. It gets a bit repetitive if you get 3 different versions of "Birthday", none of them the original, but I still like it, although some of the mixes are pure techno. Still, only recommended to fans. After this archaeological expedition of their record company, let me tell you what my excavation in (not too) old digest revealed. Mitch wrote: > On a whim, I ran my assumptions on what Spa(e)ten Weiss was by the alt.beer > newsgroup. Turns out I was wrong. For all our benefit and use, I am pleased > to share the corrections I received from a.b readers. Thanx, Scott and And thanx Mitch. I've also noticed that you threw that question into soc.culture.german and you changed the main topic on this newsgroup from politics to discussions about beer in general, leaving Spaten Weiss very quickly, for weeks. They are probably still writing about their favourite beers. :) and quoted Wayne: > in "The World Guide to Beer," by Michael Jackson. Is this Jackos answer to Madonnas recent book release? :) Meredith: > Huh? Every CD I own has an ISBN on it. Or am I thinking of the > wrong thing? The little bar-code thingie that they scan at the > register. Or is that a uniquely American phenomenon? Hmm, they have a different format than ISBNs, and each book explicitly says ISBN, so I doubt it. Someone who knows this for sure? > You _must_ be joking. Spaten is the Brauerei, and Weiss is short > for Weissbier- but *NOT* the Berliner kind, as Mitch mentioned! Nope. The reason is that it is a bavarian beer, which is not very popular outside that obscure region, often thought to be typical for Germany. Also, I grew up in Dortmund, where it's about 7 breweries produce more beer than any other town in the world (except for one in the States), so don't ask me about bavarian beer. Thanks to Dirk for his visitors report. I didn't know you had more visitors that day. :) You forgot to mention that only half of the time was dedicated to Happy, the other one being Tori on CD, video and pictures. Another funny event: Dirk mentioned that he was living right in the middle of Osnabrueck, so we followed the sign for the town center, parked the car, walked to the next phone booth and gave him a ring. It was busy. I joked to Claudia that he might be sitting at the phone in one of the houses opposite the box. When we arrived at his house after getting through at the next phone and asking for his address (having forgotten the ectofile at home), it tourned out that he was indeed living only 30 meters away from the first phone, and Osnabrueck is not a small town that you would expect something like this. My apologies to Kathie for misspelling her name, as Vickie pointed out. me: > *** Kathie Dougiamas ** Vickie: > ps, Klaus has a lot on his mind, we understand. Even more than you think. At first I had Kathy (no, not Cathy), so I only spotted one error. :( Martin announced: > Well, as promised, here are the results of the "Favourite 5 Artists Poll", > or "Favorite 5 or 6 Artists" is you're in the U.S. :) Oops, somehow I've missed that poll. I checked now that it really was in my digests, but I was probably too tired to notice it. :( Better late than never, here are my five names: Kate Bush, Happy Rhodes, Camel, Manfred Mann's Earth Band, Tori Amos See you ... ... Klaus. PS: I've been told that you can find "Warpaint" in a CD store in Albuquerque, New Mexico. ___________________________________________________________ ( "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. ) ) Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." ( / --- Happy Rhodes --- \ / Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge klaus@inphobos.w.open.de \ ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 2:47:38 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Today's your birthday friends... HAPPY BIRTHDAYS to Nuno & Ken Latta!! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 14:05:39 -0800 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Yes, more Happy Birthdays!! Cheers to Nuno and Ken ... and a thoughtful Veterans Day to all of you. Mp ======================================================================== Subject: Today's your birthday friends.... From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:02:38 GMT i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *************** ***HAPPY******* ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ********BIRTHDAY*** **** M.Nuno ******* ******************* **** de Figueiredo **** ****** Ken Latta ****** *********************** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- M. Nuno de Figueiredo Fri November 11 1966 Scorpio Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Elizabeth W. Warwick Sun November 15 1964 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Alan Ezust Fri November 21 1969 Earth Moving Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 5 1968 Sagittarius -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.w.open.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Is Tori a wimp after all? Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 00:46:09 EST Picture this. You're in a dark room full of strangers, people casually smoking and sipping their drinks in anticipation. The last light goes out, and you see movement on the stage. *There* she is! you think in excitement, and then the light hits her from behind and you realize she's half naked, and drenched in blood. Fresh blood, that is dripping on the stage in front of you. Suddenly you feel naked yourself. Then she opens her mouth. 'Were you a witness?' she asks, ASKS?, no, she demands to know. And she screams, and she sings, and she speaks in tongues, and you feel powerless, breathless, a strange fear and joy overcome you. The lights play tricks with your mind. Is that a victim of sacrifice or is it the executioner you are seeing? Is that the voice of the dead who are screaming or is it the scream of demons rejoicing from the sacrifice? Then she stops, and ten minutes later she sits on a piano bench and for 70 minutes she makes the piano scream. She takes songs that are not hers and makes them hers. Claims them for herself. No need to ride the bench to grab your attention. No need for little stories to introduce the songs. The story is there, in front of you. The pain is there, in the expressionless face of the piano player, in the voice, THE VOICE that can do anything to you. It can haunt you, it can seduce you, it can reduce you to tears. And you never question the reality of what you see, there's no need for it. After seeing Diamanda Galas live tonight, the Tori Amos concert looked like a kindergarten performance. Tori is good, but in terms of emotion, in terms of reality, in terms of virtuosity, in terms of vocal ability, in terms of impact, Diamanda is, is, well, Diamanda. Cries of heresy won't stop me, but even Happy's outstanding vocal abilities pale before her. I can only say that I have never been more impressed by a performance than what I saw tonight. Tori is like a slap in the face, Happy is like a kick in the stomach, and Diamanda is like an electroshock. I guess you can say I liked her show. Now that's an understatement. Angelos +=====================================+ |'My ears have parasites'-hApPy RhOdEs| +=====================================+ [Happy .sig for repentance :)] ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 01:42:15 EST From: justin@campion.crim.ca (Justin Bur) Subject: ISBN, EAN, UPC oops, I forgot to jump up and down and complain when Meredith suggested that an ISBN was the same thing as the bar code they scan in at the cash register! Klaus's recent message has reminded me. Those who don't care about strange numbers and bars are excused from the rest of this (and asked for their forbearance). ISBN: International Standard Book Number. Created (as SBN) in the UK in 1967, adopted in the USA by 1969, spread to the rest of the world. A unique ID for every distinct edition of every book published in the world, at least in theory. Also used on maps and anything else national libraries require legal deposit of. Composed of four parts, all but the last of varying length, though the total length is always 10 digits. 1st part: group code (0,1 = English, 2 = French, 3 = German, 4 = Japanese, 5 = Russian, 6 = Chinese I think, 87 = Spanish, 90 = Dutch, etc.). 2nd part: publisher code, assigned by national agencies in each country. 3rd part: book code, assigned by each publisher. 4th part: check digit, in the range 0..9 or X (for 10). Check digit calculation available on request. EAN: European Article Number; I have heard rumors that it has been renamed to IAN (International Article Number), which would make sense. An international extension of the UPC (vide infra). Bar code used for most things sold at retail in Europe, Japan, and a lot of other places. Comes in two varieties, EAN-13 & EAN-8. I don't know why some products have EAN-8 (8-digit) codes - maybe because it takes less space. In either case, the first two digits are a country code (30, 31, 32, 33 = France, 40 = Germany, 49 = Japan, 50 = UK + Ireland, 54 = Belgium, 60 = South Africa, 87 = Switzerland, etc.) and the last is a check digit (calculation also available on request). ISBN coded as EAN: use country code 97 + 8 + first 9 digits of ISBN + check digit calculated with EAN system. Appears on very many books, though not all. USA & Canada mass-market paperbacks usually use a (non- ISBN) UPC on the back cover and an (ISBN coded as) EAN inside the front cover. Certain other countries (such as the Netherlands) also have local non-ISBN bar codes for books. UPC: Universal Product Code, developed in the USA, used in USA and Canada. Comes in 12-digit (equivalent to EAN-13 with first digit = 0) and 8-digit (equivalent to EAN-8) varieties. The 12 digits are usually printed under the bar code in groups of 1, 5, 5, 1 digits (the single digits are smaller or sometimes omitted). On music industry products, the grouping is usually 1, 4, 5, 1, 1, sometimes different, but it's all the same really. Warpaint has UPC 7-36616-0017-2-7. Written as an EAN it would appear 0-736616-001727. Interpretation of the bars themselves available on request. I shall now go away and be silent for a while. :-) justin ======================================================================== Subject: re: Is Tori a wimp after all? From: scasterg@waltham.columbus.oh.us (Stuart Castergine) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 01:41:04 -0500 Uh, wow. OK, so you got me interested. Is Diamanda Galas playing anywhere in/near Columbus anytime soon? --- scasterg@waltham.columbus.oh.us -- Stuart M. Castergine --- I still dream of Orgonon. |/ |\ ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 11 Nov 92 23:37:48 PST From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: various I had a dream with Happy in it yesterday morning. She was apparently hosting a talk show in a large livingroom decorated with antiques. I was eating strips of wood from a chair. We chatted for a bit but the other audience members complained, so she went back to doing whatever she was doing. I wish I could have remembered more than that; the existing fragments make it sound much more surreal than it actually seemed at the time. I've been meaning to ask: Can anyone describe Youssou N'Dour? He/she/they are coming to Eugene on November 23. Vickie's recommendation is probably enough to get me to go; I have found that pretty much anything that Vickie recommends that I try, I end up liking. I also picked up a flyer in the EMU (Erb Memorial Union at the U of O, where N' Dour is playing) that says: -NOTICE- YOUSSOU N' DOUR WILL APPEAR ON THE TONIGHT SHOW Thurs. Nov. 19 LIVE! EMU BALLROOM Mon. Nov. 23 Tickets on Sale Now! ======================================================================== From: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca. (Acme Instant Dehydrated Boulder Kit) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 11:06:41 EST Subject: tori's vid Just got back from Boston last night, and I hit Tower during my very brief visit (I was there for less than 24 hours!!), and I picked up Tori's video, Little Earthquakes. All I can say is that, if you like her, you'll feel incomplete without this video. It is just awesome. I skimmed through it last night before conking out (12 hours of driving in 26 hours is quite a lot for me). It has interview clips between each video, some "we're experiencing technical difficulties" scenes from her live shows, (which are always charming), and at least 4 real studio-videos, including crucify, china, winter and SATY,as well as a bunch of live clips (and I think seeing her on video is better than seeing her live, to be honest - you can really make out her facial expressions when you might not have such a great view in a concert hall (or even in a cafe). It's definitely worth the $16US... -- | Alan Ezust depeche@cs.mcgill.ca McGill University Computer Science | |------------------------Montreal, Quebec, Canada (?)------------------------| | I'm not much of a night person. I'm *definitely* not a morning person. | | I'm not really an afternoon person either. Does this mean I'm a nobody? | ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:45:33 EST From: Laura Clifford Subject: Re: Is Tori a wimp after all? Diamanda fans may be interested to know that Coppola uses her voice in his new 'Dracula'. I saw it last night and thought he used her most effectively - note a scene with Dracula's three brides near the end of the film. By the by - I just LOVED Dracula, but my husband thought it was a bit flat. Laura ======================================================================== From: guetzlaf@gravity.cray.com (Cathy Guetzlaff) Subject: Colorado again Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 12:52:55 CST Hi everyone! In light of our recent discussion about Colorado's Measure 2 and its impact, I though I'd share something I gleaned from another mailing list. This was written by a Boulder resident: The incidents since election day are starting to come in. The law is slated to go into effect Nov 20. Three teachers across the state have already had their jobs threatened only because they are gay (or suspected of being gay). The Colorado AIDS project expects a major impact on its HIV-positive gay clients who will be thrown out of their homes. It's against the law to evict someone with disabilities, but it will be legal on Nov 20 to evict someone who is gay. There have already been apartment complex managers who said come Nov 20, the gays are in the street. Also, since the black bear hunt was voted dwon on election day, there have been "jokes" that if you can't shoot bears you can always shoot queers, they're overpopulated anyway. Bob heard some NCAR employees using the word faggot to "tease" someone else for the first time since he's been at NCAR. -- Cathy Guetzlaff Cray Research, Inc. guetzlaf@cray.com ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)