Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #359 ecto, Number 359 Tuesday, 3 November 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Happy encounter of the third kind pupic princess Mary Margaret psychobabble (and greg too) Today's your birthday friend.... Louise Brooks - American Please take me off the ecto list RE: ecto #354 I'm near Buffalo! "Why Sinead O'Connore Hit a Nerve" Pabst's blue ribbon film and other stories Re: Happy encounter of the third kind Sinead - Big Mouth Strikes Again Today's your birthday friend... Re: Pabst's blue ribbon film and other stories First Happy Encounter Wording!!! 10,000 Maninacs tour and tv appearance Fluff (tm) Re: Pabst's blue ribbon film ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 02 Nov 92 10:33:17 MEZ From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Happy encounter of the third kind It was on Saturday afternoon. I was unsuspectingly sitting at home, drinking coffee and reading a magazine, when I suddenly noticed an orange light outside. It seemed to come from an airplane but it approached very quickly and stopped right above our house. It looked like a metallic cylinder with thousands of lights on its surface. I heard a buzzy noise and all of a sudden my furniture began to glow, my CD player played backwards, and my dry-shaver crept across the floor. Then a glaring flash and two persons were beamed into my living-room. The taller one seemed to be saying something but the voice came from the opposite corner of the room. He was talking through the mouth of my teddy-bear: "My name is Bond, Cosmic Vaga Bond, but you can call me Cosmic. And this is Claudia." After I offered them a seat, Cosmic told me that they were travelling on behalf of their goddess Happy Rhodes to bring Happy-ness over the people. He handed me over their Bible, aka The 1st4, which consisted of four round, polished silver plates with a hole in the middle but, alas, I hadn't enough money to buy it :( Then they showed me pictures of some of Happy's followers, fuzzy blue people drinking fuzzy blue liquids and celebrating a kind of voodoo cult - I think, they called it ECTO party: they were gathered around a vacant chair on which back they wrote in big letters the names of some people, like MARTIN or GREG. I was speechless but very impressed. We were talking for a few hours and then they left as abruptly as they came and the orange light disappeared somewhere behind the southern horizon. This was my first encounter with the cosmic vagabond. Thanks again, Klaus and Claudia (very nice people, aren't they?), for the great information on Happy. Hope to meet you again. > Yesterday evening we have seen Youssou N'Dour in Dortmund, and it was a > great show. Yes, I agree. I saw him on Thursday here in Osnabrueck and I was impressed. Dirk ======================================================================== Date: 02 Nov 92 09:26:14 EST From: MJM Subject: pupic princess Meredith light-pens: << }Speaking of Madonna (not that I often do), did anyone read about }the party she threw in NYC recently for k.d. lang? Madonna }supposedly left in a huff when k.d. didn't show on time and k.d. }showed up later mumbling something about 'having a lovers' }quarrel'. If this is true, this IS strange... Oooh, the plot thickens. I love this stuff, regardless of how true or untrue it is. (But I only _look_ at the tabloids in the checkout line, I swear! ;) >> Not too long ago, there was a discussion of lesbian msuical artists. Indigo Girls were mentioned, as well as Tracy Chapman, k d land (obviously) and some others, including Melissa Etheridge. I have a running disagreement with my gfriend about this last one. She says her friend (who keeps up with this stuff) claims that M.E. has dated many of Hollywoods leading men (or other famous people). I contend she is gay (based on something I read here). My question is, does anyone here remember hearing this, and perhaps, the source of this "rumour"? Has M.E. ever said anything about it? Or is it the figment of someone's fantasy? -mjm ======================================================================== Date: 02 Nov 92 10:19:02 EST From: MJM Subject: Mary Margaret Watching Saturday Night Live this week, Catherine O'Hara, in her monologue, related a time when her dad told some ghost story. She mentioned that "little Mary Margaret" was the butt of the story, so to speak. This got me thinking. Sure enough they are sisters (i.e. Catherine "Carrie", and MMO, of Miss America). There is even some resemblance (from the picture on the CD. I guess I had never put this together even though I knew they were both Canadian. I'll bet Catherine is the older sister and MM the younger... BTW, has MMO come out with anything else, ever? -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 02 Nov 92 07:46:23 EST From: kurious erenj Subject: psychobabble (and greg too) jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu sez: >Frankly, I've no idea what you friend's problem is. *IF* "Wrong Century" >were about the evils done to Native Americans, then, yes, I could *maybe* >see her point. But I really don't think that's what the song is about. i've pointed that out to her. i'm still not clear what the anger was exactly stimulated by, but i suspect that it was mostly misunderstanding regarding the point of the song. i haven't heard back from her yet, so i don't really know. i am sure that it is not "politically correct" anger, as vickie charged her with though. >Speaking (briefly) of the vampire diptych, does anyone know where Greg is? yup. he's in new brunswick, being busy. i went with him to nyc on friday night and slept on his fooh-ton. he's really quite annoyed at himself for not being able to keep up with everything, but there's not much he can do about it right now. soon as he gets a good communications program for his amiga, he'll probaly be seen more often in these parts. ======================================================================== Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Mon, 02 Nov 92 12:35:23 GMT i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* *** Kathie Dougiamas ** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * New or changes made since last post Marvin Camras Sat January 1 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 3 1967 Capricorn Greg Bossert Tue January 9 1962 OfTheTimes Chris Sampson Wed January 15 1964 Void where prohibited Ken Taylor Tue January 21 1969 Aquarius Terry Partis Sun January 22 1933 Rocker Sean Casey Thu January 25 1962 ICB Tim Devine Tue February 3 1970 Aquarius Stephen Thomas Fri February 4 1966 Aquarius Gene Sady Tue February 7 1956 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank Christine Waite Fri February 25 1972 Pisces Christine Kennel Sat March 2 1963 Pisces kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Alan Sodoma Thu March 18 1965 LuckyLurker Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham John Baker Tue March 24 1964 Berkeley Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries Warpaint Mon April 1 1991 Brilliant! Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Unicorn Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Racer Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Stephen Golden Sat April 10 1971 Jokey Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Angelos Kyrlidis Fri April 22 1966 Taurus Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Gray Abbott Tue May 3 1955 Suprised Mark Semich Thu May 6 1965 Yield Joe Dembski Wed May 7 1952 Rumple Brian Gregory Thu May 9 1963 Eclectic Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Taurus Beth Perry Tue May 21 1957 Glad Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 2 1966 Kaksoset Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini Ecto-The Mailing ListTue June 18 1991 Fuzzy blue Tracy Barber Mon June 18 1956 Gemini David Lubkin Fri June 20 1958 OurLady Ken Kindler Mon June 23 1969 Cancer John M. 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Warwick Sun November 15 1964 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Alan Ezust Fri November 21 1969 Earth Moving Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 5 1968 Sagittarius Henry Kilmer Wed December 11 1968 CallMeHank Shelby Sun December 13 1970 Roscoe the Frog * Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Capricorn * Karl Dotzek Sat December 30 1961 Capricorn -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- If anyone wants to be added to this list, or change their "sign" just e-mail me with the information...if you don't know what day you were born on, I can figure it out if you give the year of birth. Thanks! _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.w.open.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 13:17:13 EST From: Laura Clifford Subject: Louise Brooks - American }I just read somewhere (Boston Globe, Entertainment Weekly, }Premiere?) that Madonna's character of Dita is based on a German }silent film actress by that name (last name - Paron? - my mind's }obviously shot). >From Meredith: Agh, this is going to bother me no end. I believe this is the woman who portrayed Lulu in the famous German silent film entitled _Lulu_, based on Frank Wedekind's classic pair of plays, _Lulu_ and _Die Buechse der Pandora_ (Pandora's Box) about a society woman who screws up and ends up one of Jack the Ripper's prostitute victims in London (hey, I should write Cliff's Notes for a living :). Her name was.... her name was........ argh! A friend of mine did his studio art thesis on her and her portrayal of Lulu, it was a great installation, and I'm blanking on her name. --------------------- Meredith - that's Louise Brooks who was an American. I wouldn't have forgotten the name if it was her! This was someone German and more obscure.... Laura ======================================================================== From: jon@pages.com (Jon Wright) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 10:29:20 -0800 Subject: Please take me off the ecto list Good list, but I can't keep up with it! Thanks. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 14:29:53 EST From: Chris Sampson Subject: RE: ecto #354 Hi all, Despite the "subject", this is not about ecto #354 (alas, I've not even read it :( ). Coupla quick items here: * try a new address for me: chris@neuron.uchc.edu (yea, we have a real node!!!) * please forward the actual address for ecto to me (this is in contrast the various permutations I've received as a result of all the handing-off formerly necessary. * can someone (jessica?) give me brief tutorial in ftp-ing from the ecto archives, not that I can actually do it???? * Wrong Century: Late, I know, but with the new address, I should get stuff sooner. Coincidentally, the friend who turned me on to HR visited this week, and we discussed the nature of this song. As this has all been hashed and re-hashed, I'll be brief (especially as it's been decided rather definitively by the hapster herself (via her medium, Vickie :) ) * Obviously ( or at least feasibly) the time travel was from the past to our present. Reincarnation??? Hadn't occurred to me, but why not? Is there a difference???? :) * Hadn't picked up on the sex-change part, nice twist, though. It goes a way towards explaining the "long black hair" line. * I agree whole-heartedly with________ who said that the song was about a *person*, rather than a *people*. The friend of (whoever) who got on her high horse over a supposedly inadequate treatment of the "Native American thing" needs to chill a bit IM(H)O. What's wrong with treating the world as though it were seen through one pair of eyes instead of millions of pairs????? That's all for now. I'm lurking. You'll find me in hiding. Chris Sampson "I agree 100% with Sinead O'Connor's right to rip up a picture of the Pope... I also support Joe Pesce's right to tape it back together." -para-quoted from an emptyV interview with Al Gore :) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 14:32:50 est From: ajs@jloda.cci.com (Alan Sodoma) Subject: I'm near Buffalo! OK, Vickie. I'll keep an eye out for the Psychowelders in Buffalo. It's only about 1 hour away, but we get some publications in Roch. about happenings in Buffalo. I don't know if I'll be able to go tho'. Money's tight right now: Springsteen on the 13th, Phish on the 20th, 21st, 22nd in Albany, Stonybrook and Cornell, respectively. Then I'm in Puerto Rico for 9 days starting on the 26th. Next is Phantom of the Opera on 12/11 and Phish on 12/12. 1 (both in Toronto). Of course, Phish tickets go on sale this Sat. for New Years in Boston, too!!! Also coming up of interest, that I haven't gotten tickets too: Stanley Jordan, Bela Fleck & the Flecktones. Also to Vickie: Sorry you missed the 10000 Maniacs on SNL. You should do what I do. Tape it and then FF thru the boring parts right to the music! I thought they did a great job compared to most people who get on there. Al Sodoma ======================================================================== Subject: "Why Sinead O'Connore Hit a Nerve" Date: Mon, 02 Nov 92 16:19:49 -0500 From: "Daniel S. Riley" Sunday's New York Times/entertainment section/pop view column (written by Jon Pareles) was devoted to Sinead and the commotion she's caused. I believe it has been mentioned previously, either here or in gaffa, that NYT music views should not be taken too seriously, but a I found a few bits that seemed ecto-relevant. My fave quotes were both about the AnTi-KaTe: Sinead "baffles the likes of Madonna by making her gestures without game plans or tie-ins." and the earlier (parenthetical) comment that Madonna herself is "no stranger to recontextualized Christian symbols" The conclusion runs Still, O'Connor does have, as Joan Baez said, "the courage to screw up." After all, isn't it time that somebody actually did something on live television that would never be sanctioned in advance? She burned her bridges with television executives--those faceless authorities--when she tore up the Pope's photograph. ======================================================================== -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Distance means nothing/To me." -Kate Bush ======================================================================== Date: 2 November 1992 16:44:00 CST From: Subject: Pabst's blue ribbon film and other stories I have just come from checking the film section in the library, and can confirm that the title role in G.W. Pabst's _Lulu_/_Pandora's Box_ (1929) was indeed the American actress Louise Brooks, an intersting person in her own right whose character in the film in question, BTW, was the prototype for the way Melanie Griffith was made up in the first half of _Something Wild_ (1986). I looked in the name index of a history of German film in general, and found nobody listed whose first name was Dita. Those with the time and inclination to research this question might want to do an intensive search of the index in _From Caligari to Hitler_, by Siegfried Kracauer, which focuses on German cinema in the interwar period. In re Meredith's new .sig: always glad to know my writings are inspiring some kind of reaction out there. It's especially gratifying to know that there's some symmetry to all this now, with this balancing out the time when Meredith's old .sig quoting Kate's lyric on "let me fly...," etc. inspired me to create a .sig of my own, which I never got up the gumption to use on a regular basis, quoting Michael Flanders to the effect that if God had meant man to fly, he'd never have invented the railroads. :-) Vickie's CD of _The Walking_ reminds me of the time I got a Kinsey Report blues album on tape, which turned out to contain not TKR, but the soundtrack album of Elvis' _GI Blues_. Needless to say, I exchanged it. Later, I related this to a checkout clerk at a different record store, who said I should have hung onto it--it might have become valuable. So, I gladly point this out for the benefit and use of you all. Re the renewed ambiguity over Melissa Etheridge's orientation: There appears to be a segment of the gay press (and others in the gay community) who would sincerely like to believe that anyone who's anyone in human society is gay. If the assertion came from such a source, that makes it less likely that it's credible. The credibility of the source must always be evaluated. While we're on the subject: Roseanne Arnold, dismayed at the resignation of Martin Mull (who played a gay character) from her show, reportedly resolved to work in another gay character. She first contemplated giving the Laurie Metcal f character a MOTSS SO, but apparently Sandra Bernhard's character will instead ; she will be played by Morgan Fairchild. So 10000 maniacs were on SNL? As always, I slept through it all. Guess middle age is not agreeing with me. :-) :-(' Help keep the next quadrennium free of B*U*S*H - W*A :-). Vote tomorrow. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 21:06:10 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Happy encounter of the third kind :-) Wonderful story, Dirk!!! > Thanks again, Klaus and Claudia (very nice people, aren't they?), Yep'n'youbetcha!!! > > Yesterday evening we have seen Youssou N'Dour in Dortmund, and it was a > > great show. > Yes, I agree. I saw him on Thursday here in Osnabrueck and I was impressed. Youssou N'Dour's concert was the first I saw after we moved to Chicago. It was great, especially because I was right up front, just a few feet away from him. He's worth seeing, if anyone gets a chance. Vickie vickie@pilot.njin.net _________ |_ _ | _ Fuzzy Blue Wonderland "We're waking up |__|_ ||_| "There is a road straight yes it's good" to my heart" ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 02 Nov 1992 21:58:58 EST From: mpf0642@tesla.njit.edu Subject: Sinead - Big Mouth Strikes Again I think this woman is such an hypocrite. The girl said this about Desiree Washington (the woman allegedly raped by Tyson): "[she] is a bitch...I don't care if he raped her...She should look at the disgrace she is making of women." Ain't that nice ! Nuno ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 23:31:07 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Today's your birthday friend... HAPPY BIRTHDAY *Katie*!! Vickie ps, Klaus has a lot on his mind, we understand. ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Pabst's blue ribbon film and other stories Date: Mon, 02 Nov 92 23:45:48 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu >I looked >in the name index of a history of German film in general, and found nobody >listed whose first name was Dita. Those with the time and inclination to >research this question might want to do an intensive search of the index in >_From Caligari to Hitler_, by Siegfried Kracauer, which focuses on German >cinema in the interwar period. Could the whole 'dita' thing have anything to do with Anita, a German stripper from the teens or 20's or so? She was apparently quite notorious; she may have been the first German stripper, though I'm probably remembering things wrong. There's a movie called "Anita: Dances of Vice" about her, but it's a very warped German impresionistic sort of monster, and the night I rented it with some friends (THEIR idea!), I was too tired to follow the story and went to bed halfway through. Interestingly, this rather explicit German film was rented from Blockbuster, a chain which refuses to carry _The Last Temptation of Christ_. >Vickie's CD of _The Walking_ reminds me of the time I got a Kinsey Report >blues album on tape, which turned out to contain not TKR, but the soundtrack >album of Elvis' _GI Blues_. On a similar note, a friend of mine once bought XTC's _Oranges and Lemons_ only to find that it contained some sort of urban blues. I gather that this sort of thing is at least moderately common (since I know at least 3 people to whom it's occurred) so I don't imagine such CDs would be particularly valuable. The only remotely similar thing that's happened to me was when I bought my first CD of Pink Floyd's _Animals_. The quality of the sound was absolutely attrocious (extremely loud, noticable _hiss_) and in fact worse than the tape I'd made from a friend's CD. I returned it to the same store for an exchange. The next copy sounded fine. >Re the renewed ambiguity over Melissa Etheridge's orientation: There appears >to be a segment of the gay press (and others in the gay community) who would >sincerely like to believe that anyone who's anyone in human society is gay. Sounds awfully similarity to the propensity of the straight society to disbelieve any and all evidence (including outright proclamation) that someone is gay. You'd be amazed, for instance, how many people think that, say, Lily Tomlin is straight. In fact, insist that she is. This works in the other direction,m too. In the 60's, who've believed you if you insisted that Roy Cohn or Marvin Liebman were gay? To some extent, this ties into the arguement we had in these pages several months ago. If there's nothing wrong with being gay, then there's nothing wrong with assuming that someone is homosexual and not heterosexual. And unless I have specific information to the contrary, why shouldn't I assume that someone is gay? A lot of gay people find it very comforting to know that there are others like them. While a closeted celebrity isn't the ideal role model, it's still better than nothing to a lot of people. >If the assertion came from such a source, that makes it less likely that it's >credible. The credibility of the source must always be evaluated. This is true for anything. As for Melissa Etheridge, I've simply heard too many reports from different seemingly reliable sources to disbelive them. If I still wanted to disbelieve them, I'd then have to contend with having seen M.E. wearing a labrys earring when she performed on the Tonight Show last spring. This is a symbol which in the past I've *only* seen associated with lesbians. >While we're on the subject: Roseanne Arnold, dismayed at the resignation of >Martin Mull (who played a gay character) from her show, reportedly resolved to >work in another gay character. She first contemplated giving the Laurie >Metcalf character a MOTSS SO, but apparently Sandra Bernhard's character will >instead; she will be played by Morgan Fairchild. How interesting. I'd heard about the Laurie Metcalf rumor (apparently she's even played a lesbian police officer sometime in her acting career) but figured they'd changed their minds when the sister suddenly showed up with a boyfriend. >So 10000 maniacs were on SNL? As always, I slept through it all. Guess >middle age is not agreeing with me. :-) :-(' I don't think you missed *all* that much. Certainly nothing like sleeping through KaTe's performance. ;-) >Help keep the next quadrennium free of B*U*S*H - W*A :-). Vote tomorrow. After voting for Clinton tomorrow morning, I will then head (albeit quite a bit later) to the RNC-Washington "victory" (ha!) party at the Washington Hilton. I came by a ticket through a friend of mine, and while I suspect that I will be hard pressed to refrain from gloating (so as to avoid being lynched by a mob of angry young republicans in club ties), it should still be a lot of fun. And it'll be catered. And I bet there will be party favors. ;-) On a completely unrelated note: shockingly, VH-I actually showed the video to Lene Lovich's "Lucky Number" today on their "My Generation" show; the focus of this one was new wave music (Garry Neuman (sp?), Blondie, Bow Wow Wow, etc.). While I'd seen the video before (thanks, Vickie!) it was still pretty wild to see in this context. ObHappy (sortof): yesterday I got to fly a Quadrifoil Q50 for a while yesterday. This is is a kite that is, for the most part, a miniature sport parachute (roughly 6'x8') with 4 lines for control. There are no spars, so the kite is completely soft. It was bright blue. Yes, that's right, a giant fuzzy blue kite. ;-) Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 0:24:23 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Pabst's blue ribbon film and other stories Jeff writes: > >Help keep the next quadrennium free of B*U*S*H - W*A :-). Vote tomorrow. > > After voting for Clinton tomorrow morning, I will then head (albeit quite a > bit later) to the RNC-Washington "victory" (ha!) party at the Washington > Hilton. I came by a ticket through a friend of mine, and while I suspect > that I will be hard pressed to refrain from gloating (so as to avoid > being lynched by a mob of angry young republicans in club ties), it > should still be a lot of fun. And it'll be catered. And I bet there > will be party favors. ;-) You lucky sod! I would *love* to go to a BushBash "victory" party tomorrow night!! Ha! Good luck in not gloating though, *I* wouldn't have that much self-restraint. > On a completely unrelated note: shockingly, VH-I actually showed the > video to Lene Lovich's "Lucky Number" today on their "My Generation" > show; the focus of this one was new wave music (Garry Neuman (sp?), > Blondie, Bow Wow Wow, etc.). While I'd seen the video before (thanks, > Vickie!) it was still pretty wild to see in this context. Y'welcome. Btw, on 120 Minutes last night they showed Kate's RUTH (the lectern version) and a lot of other stuff that I didn't get to tape (well, we have the Kate) such as the Popinjays and new Sundays. We were just flipping channels instead of watching it all the way through. I hope those are repeated next week. (Popinjays? Have they been mentioned in Ecto? I think so but my mind's a blank on when & who. They're psychedelic, trivial, and *lots* of fun! I've had an EP forever, but I guess they have a new album out I'll have to pick up.) > ObHappy (sortof): yesterday I got to fly a Quadrifoil Q50 for a while > yesterday. This is is a kite that is, for the most part, a miniature > sport parachute (roughly 6'x8') with 4 lines for control. There > are no spars, so the kite is completely soft. It was bright blue. Yes, > that's right, a giant fuzzy blue kite. ;-) Neat! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 10:45:40 +0100 From: Ulrich Grepel Subject: First Happy Encounter Hi all Ectophiles, last Tuesday I had - thanks to Klaus and Ilka (from rdt) - my first (acoustic) Happy encounter. Since everyone here always wants to know how anyone came across Happy, I will tell you: I read the rec.music.gaffa FAQ. Not too sensational... But to be fair, I want to describe my impressions of Happy's Music (so far I know the inofficial Happy sampler and Warpaint): At first I was a little bit disappointed. Everyone says 'Happy is just as (good as) Kate Bush', and since I am a big Katefan, I had some expectations. These expectations were not at all fulfilled, and hence the disappointment. But everytime I listen to her (there were two entire long days of only Happy music), my impression improves quite a lot. Now the disappointment is gone! Happy is Happy, not Kate. Until now I do not understand how everyone says that Happy is like Kate. They are both unique, making both unique, very good music, have both big vocal ranges, using a lot of voice overdubs, but that's about all - at least that's my impression. Happy is more comfortable than Kate. I just can't imagine something like 'Violin', 'Waking the Witch' or 'James and the Cold Gun' from Happy, but that goes either way! There's only one thing in Happy's music that disturbs me sometimes: She often uses synthesizers without playing as much with the sounds as Kate. Often it reminds of some factory sounds. These are too well known nowadays. On the other hand I know that it takes a lot of time and quite expensive equipment if you want to do good synthesizer sounds. And as far as I can see Happy is just (at least outside Ecto) too unknown to be able to spend that much on equipment. On the other side, a colleague who has heard just a few minutes of Happy in my car said 'Ooh, nice synthesizer'! So perhaps that's just me... I played Warpaint to a couple of friends. All of them know I am a Kate Bush Maniac. All exept one of them once liked Kate Bush. Now only one does, because I played Kate too often. Usually they have a lot of preconceptions about the music I play to them - besides Kate there are Sarah, Loreena, Tori and others - and they often are opposing my playing of the music - even before they have listened to it, because it just has to be like Kate Bush... But with Happy they even asked "Who's that?". Their opinions range from (sounds like) 'Kate Bush, produced by Peter Gabriel' to 'Grace Jones' (at least one song, doesn't know which one now). My own opinion is 'sometimes Laurie Anderson'. Not being able to endure the time before I have another 5 CDs, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 08:41:53 EST From: mpf0642@tesla.njit.edu Subject: Wording!!! Following a post I made to ecto, this is an extract of a reply I received from Liz: >From: elizabeth w warwick >From a fellow ectophiler- >Mike Tyson was *convicted* by a jury of his peers of the >rape of D. Washington. Thus, in legal terms, he is no longer the >alleged rapist; he is a convicted rapist. A nit pick, I know, but >the use of "alleged" suggested you disagreed with the verdict (or >saw him as innocent)... My use of "alleged" wasn't intentional. It was a mistake. English is not my first language and these things happen...:-( Sorry! I have no idea if Tyson was guilty or not ! So, I really meant "convicted rapist." >liz Thanks, Liz. Nuno ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 12:10:46 EST From: mpf0642@tesla.njit.edu Subject: 10,000 Maninacs tour and tv appearance The Tonight Show : November 5, 1992 November 8 Atlanta 9 Orlando 10 Ft Lauderdale 11 St. Petesburg 13 Richmond 14 Charlottesville 15 Raleigh 17 Washington, DC 18 Delaware 20 New York 21 New Brunswick 22 Boston 24 Toronto 28 Detroit 29 Chicago 30 Minneapolis December D 2 St. Louis 3 Kansas City 5 Dallas 6 Houston 7 Austin 10 San Diego 11 L.A. 12 Berkeley 19 Vancouver **************************** I also found their TV appearance on SNL pretty weak. This new album is also a bit of a dissapointment. Nuno ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 10:22:33 MST From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Fluff (tm) Greetings, I'd like to make a short comment about the recent "Is so-and-so gay?" thread. Unless that person makes a public point about it, why should I (or anyone) care? Judge people on _who_ they are, not _what_ they are. In my opinion, the biggest problem in our society is that we rush to stick people into categories (gay, black, female, disabled, etc., etc., etc.), then make that a (if not, the) defining characteristic for them. The issue became so important in San Francisco, that it set up a committee to determine whether someone is really Hispanic. This problem afflicts both left (starring the infamous Politically Correct movement) and right (represented by the equally infamous (at least, locally :) ) Coloradans for Family Values). I'll admit to being quite radical on this point, to the extreme of refusing to specify my race and sex on forms, but I feel the extreme emphasis on what category a person belongs to is tearing our society apart. (This also bears on another serious societal problem of the erosion of personal privacy, but I did write "short" in my first sentence. :) ) Again, just my opinion. On a much more traditionally fuzzy blue note, the first snow of the season fell yesterday. This is two to three weeks later than "normal", as we thoroughly enjoyed a very long (and very dry, as we've had just one good storm in over two months before this) Colorado Indian summer. The forecast promises winter weather the rest of the week, getting as cold as -10degC (15degF). Summer's over. :( Monday's snowstorm caught everyone by surprise, dumping up to 15cm (6in) of snow. The forecast had been for a few light rain showers! Unfortunately, it's been tough to enjoy the snow, as the winds have been howling for three days now, hitting 100km/h (60mph) with even higher gusts. With daytime temperatures around 0degC (32degF), that wind has a tough bite to it. Believe me, that comes straight from the horse's mouth, as I walked three miles to work through the blowing snow and piercing winds and on icy streets. The bad side of winter. Finally, to all American citizens out there, exercise your franchise! Get out and vote! Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 3 Nov 92 12:29:26 EST From: Laura Clifford Subject: Re: Pabst's blue ribbon film >Could the whole 'dita' thing have anything to do with Anita, a German >stripper from the teens or 20's or so? She was apparently quite notorious; >she may have been the first German stripper, though I'm probably remembering >things wrong. There's a movie called "Anita: Dances of Vice" about her, ... >Jeff I looked up last week's Variety and it wasn't in there, so I'm pretty sure this was in last week's Entertainment Weekly which I think has been trashed in our household. No, it wasn't Anita - it was definitely the first name of Dita and she was a film actress. There was a picture of her and she had shoulder length brunette hair. Laura ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)