Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #358 ecto, Number 358 Monday, 2 November 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Voting... ecto #357 wrong century query This day in ectophile history Mehr Flaumige Blaubier happy birthday!! Re: wrong century query Until the End of the World Replies and byes Aggggugh! Re: just kidding... Re: Help -- Sophie B Hawkins Laurie Anderson audio montage on NPR and other stories Loreena McKennitt in Cambridge, MA ======================================================================== From: Martin Dougiamas Subject: Voting... Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 17:53:52 WET Mitch wrote: > Reportedly, the constitutional referendum in Canada had a 72% voter turnout. > I can't remember when any elecion Stateside could make that statement. Always > nice to dream... Here in Australia voting is compulsory, which is probably a good thing, IMO. Still enjoying those 1st4 Cds.. though I do miss the long version of "The Chase", which is one of my favourites. My top favourite is still "If So", though ... what a perfect little song, simple yet complex. ======== ATTENTION-GRABBING LINE FOR THOSE OF YOU SKIMMING THE DIGEST ======== An interesting new poll occurred to me. Please mail me with your favourite 5 musical artists of all time. Preferably, these are artists that you have every album of and like every single thing they've done. I'll tabulate the results and let us all know how they came out at the end of next week. Remember, FIVE only! Their order is unimportant. ============================================================================== Martin (finding swing jazz is perfect programming music) ,-----------------------------------------------------------------. _ . | Oh, get to the point you sappy wimps Martin Dougiamas. | _r| Ll\ | I haven't got a lot of time martin@cs.curtin.edu.au | | | \ | Simplicity is beauty Curtin University | \ |_ / | Are there poets less sublime? Perth, Western Australia --+-> -~ `-' `= Poetic Justice - Happy Rhodes =================================' V ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 14:32:23 +0100 From: brage@id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: ecto #357 Hi! mpf0642@tesla.njit.edu, aka Nuno, said: [I've edited the indention. Nuno, your editor *really* is high on something [to paraphrase Vickie], too much RAM perhaps? ;-) '>>' is Meredith...] >> It's good stuff, if very European-sounding (like, I thought it >> was 70s music but was wrong). > European sounding ? As an European, the thought scares me !!!! > I think they have a sort of cheap pop-sounding...I would think > they are as European sounding as Roxette or Abba. :-) I'm not really sure what the European sound is ;-), but certainly, you could label Vaya con Dios' music as pop (as a lot of other artists I could mention...). In fact, I'd say that Vaya con Dios trademark *is* playing pastices(sp?) over old pop-genres. And they do that very well... The reason I brought up Vaya con Dios was Dani Klein's voice: It's certainly worth listening to! And the rest of the band plays with a lot of competence... Disclaimer: I haven't heard Vaya con Dios new album, "Time Flies", so I can comment on that one... Speaking of pop: Has any of you ever heard of Sarah Brightman? I brought "When I came of Age" on a sale recently and while most of it certainly is pop, some of the songs are quite interesting... Jens P. Brage (jpb@id.dth.dk)| Between those in constant power and those in Design Automation Group |constant pain. Between those who run to glory Center of Integrated Electronics|and those who cannot run. Tell me, which ones Technical University of Denmark |are the cripples and which ones touch the sky? ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 11:21:06 EST From: kurious erenj Subject: wrong century query hi all - a quickie for you all. i'd appreciate any replies being cc'd to my address as i'm on the digest. a while back, we had a pretty long discussion about "wrong century". i don't think i paid that much attention to it then, which of course, is why i need to remembere it all now. :) basically, i need to be reminded of the general consensus on the themes of "wrong century". there is certainly a time travel element and so forth, but i don't think anyone ever settled on the whens of the time jump. i also seem to recall that this was when someone posted a long thesis about happy's use of science fiction in her music. why do i ask? well, i sent happy sampler to a friend of mine and while she was generally impressed by happy's songs, she found "wrong century" bordering on bringing her to anger. she feels that "wrong century" deals with native americans, but without doing (in her words) "a modicum of justice to the issue". my initial reaction was surprise. then i thought about it somemore.... if i'm not mistaken, we've always looked at "wrong century" as someone from our time moving forward into the future...but perhaps it is about someone from before our time coming to ours? specifically, a native amer- ican ("my long black hair"). would someone please refresh my memory? has this all been covered? or is this a new take on the song that no one has considered before? thoughts? help! woj ======================================================================== Date: 29 October 1992 15:20:07 CST From: Subject: This day in ectophile history To the best of my recollection, October 29, 1969 was a Wednesday. It was the exact one-month anniversary of my first day as a freshman in college, and the day I took the midterm in Sociology 100, on which I was later to learn that I got every question right save one (I cannot recall which one). It is clear, in retrospect, that my academic career peaked early. On the same day, somewhere in the great American Northeast, a child was born. Said neonate eventually grew up to be Jessica Dembski, Founder of Ecto (an app- ellation uncomfortably reminiscent of certain fast-food ad copy, but what the hell :-) ). It is clear, from the current evidence, that the list she founded is nowhere close to peaking. You be the judge which event of 23 years ago today will have the greatest over- all significance for the future of mankind :-). To Jessica, happy birthday. To the rest of us, happy founder's day (sounds uncomfortably reminiscent of small-town Americana, but what the hell :-) ). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: 29 October 1992 15:44:32 CST From: Subject: Mehr Flaumige Blaubier Happily, I was able to look up in my German dictionary at home overnight the German translation of "fuzzy," apparently contracting a short-term propensity in the process for German syntax :-). Check out the alt.beer newgroup for a look at what I wrought with my query on Spaten Weiss. Apparently the answers to my simple question on what the stuff really was has mutated into some fascinating posts on what is the oldest brew- ery in Bavaria, Anchor Wheat beer (useful info for those wanting to Buy Americ- an and still satisfy their curiosity about *.weiss), and even one saying he knew nothing of how Spaten Weiss tasted, so he could only cite the company's slogan: "Lass Dir raten, trinke Spaten" (take our advice, drink Spaten--only in German, it seems, is a simple reflexive verb capable of singlehandedly converting first- into second person). In commemoration of ecto founder's day, I think I'll try to find a place on the way home that has Spaten Weiss, even if it's neither fuzzy nor blue in the strict sense. After all, I read it here first. Then again, is it beyond the realm of possibility that FLAU BLAU BIER HIER could one day take its place alongside FU BLU MA LI in the pantheon of arcane ecto-derived shorthand? :-) Mitch ======================================================================== From: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca. (Acme Instant Dehydrated Boulder Kit) Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 13:26:06 EST Subject: happy birthday!! Happy Birthday, Jessica! I'm sure I would've remembered to wish you one yesterday, but all I could think about was how "unhappy" it must have been, especially considering the fact that some burgular de-happy-ized your car earlier that afternoon :-( again, my sincere condolences.. It was nice to see you again though!! PS: The Tori show in Montreal definitely was better than the one in Boston!! -- | S. Alan Ezust McGill University Department of Computer Science | | depeche@cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | I just found my key to heaven - now where's that god-damned door? | ======================================================================== Subject: Re: wrong century query Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 15:26:11 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu >basically, i need to be reminded of the general consensus on the themes >of "wrong century". there is certainly a time travel element and so >forth, but i don't think anyone ever settled on the whens of the time >jump. i also seem to recall that this was when someone posted a long >thesis about happy's use of science fiction in her music. To be honest, I not sure just how much of a consensus we came to before Vickie butted in with The Whole Story As Related By Happy. It *is* about a Native American man who hops forward in time to the present day *and* becomes a woman. I think. Maybe. The only thing I remember clearly is that this was when Vickie gave me the nickname of "jeffy-with-the-long-black-hair", due to my refutation that I was assuming someone with long hair had to be female. >why do i ask? well, i sent happy sampler to a friend of mine and while >she was generally impressed by happy's songs, she found "wrong century" >bordering on bringing her to anger. she feels that "wrong century" deals >with native americans, but without doing (in her words) "a modicum of >justice to the issue". my initial reaction was surprise. then i thought >about it somemore.... Frankly, I've no idea what you friend's problem is. *IF* "Wrong Century" were about the evils done to Native Americans, then, yes, I could *maybe* see her point. But I really don't think that's what the song is about. I see it in much more of a KaTian sense in that it's a story about a *person*, not _people_, and it's about the emotions that that one person feels when placed in an extraordinary situation. To me, "Wrong Century" is something of a turning point for Happy, because it's one of her first truly narrative, _fictional_ songs. Something I hope will be explored in HRVI. And if the vampire diptych is any indication, this will be the case. >but perhaps it is about >someone from before our time coming to ours? specifically, a native amer- >ican ("my long black hair"). As I said earlier, that was what the final agreement was (with input from Happy). Speaking (briefly) of the vampire diptych, does anyone know where Greg is? I'm kind of curious about the tapes I sent him ~5 or 6 months ago for a copy of the Philly concert. Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 19:18:41 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: wrong century query > basically, i need to be reminded of the general consensus on the themes > of "wrong century". there is certainly a time travel element and so > forth, but i don't think anyone ever settled on the whens of the time > jump. i also seem to recall that this was when someone posted a long > thesis about happy's use of science fiction in her music. No, the science-types on the list thought it was time travel. It's actually reincarnation. > why do i ask? well, i sent happy sampler to a friend of mine and while > she was generally impressed by happy's songs, she found "wrong century" > bordering on bringing her to anger. she feels that "wrong century" deals > with native americans, but without doing (in her words) "a modicum of > justice to the issue". my initial reaction was surprise. then i thought > about it somemore.... Tell your friend that Happy is part Cherokee and that she shouldn't jump to "Politically Correct" anger until she knows the facts. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 30 Oct 92 19:27:48 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: wrong century query > >basically, i need to be reminded of the general consensus on the themes > >of "wrong century". there is certainly a time travel element and so > >forth, but i don't think anyone ever settled on the whens of the time > >jump. i also seem to recall that this was when someone posted a long > >thesis about happy's use of science fiction in her music. > > To be honest, I not sure just how much of a consensus we came to before > Vickie butted in with The Whole Story As Related By Happy. Sorry again :-( > The only thing I remember clearly is that this was when Vickie gave me > the nickname of "jeffy-with-the-long-black-hair", due to my refutation that > I was assuming someone with long hair had to be female. ??? I don't remember that. I just love guys with long hair and I thought it was so cool when I found out you had long black hair. I still do :-) Vickie ======================================================================== Subject: Re: wrong century query Date: Sat, 31 Oct 92 00:54:15 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu I wrote: >> To be honest, I not sure just how much of a consensus we came to before >> Vickie butted in with The Whole Story As Related By Happy. Vickie said: >Sorry again :-( Don't appologize! I think that's one of the neat things about Ecto--that we actually have the capability to pick the artist's mind over our questions! Jeff ======================================================================== Subject: Until the End of the World Date: Sat, 31 Oct 92 15:19:57 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu I finally got to see this movie last night. It was really wonderful, though I thought the pacing was a bit off (too fast in the beginning, too slow near the end). It's still incredible. I wish I'd seen it when it was in theatrical release; the sound and visuals really deserve that setting. One thing that surprised me is that Gabriel's "Blood of Eden" is a completely different version in the movie. It wasn't just a lack of Sinead O'Connor on background vocals. Pity it's got dialog through parts of it. I'm still about to run off and record it to tape before I return the videocasette. I just wish I had a stereo VCR...;-) Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Date: 31-OCT-1992 22:55:15.39 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Replies and byes Hi! }I agree that the possible Antikate (more unambiguously known as }Joe Henry's sister-in-law, the Pupic Princess of Pontiac) Mitch, Mitch, Mitch... I have GOT to stop reading things like that while attempting to ingest a liquid! (My keyboard thanks you for the bath... and my .sig thanks you for the new material. :) }Specifically, what better goal than to have "O Canada" sung by }the likes of Jane, Sarah, Loreena, k.d., and the rest, as }distinct from these frequently obscure characters who actually }did the honors for the past week. Were they obscure to the Canadians? Still, the thought of Sarah singing "O Canada" on international TV is indeed a yummy one. Vickie implores: }I just saw this, and I didn't see and follow-ups to it. Please, }someone tell Nuno about Psychowelders. I'm not able to at the }moment. (But I'll say that I like them!) Didn't I reply to Nuno's inquiry about Alternative Press? I know I meant to, and to be truthful I can't remember (this job is eating my brain- I need to go back to school... not!) Laura Clifford reports: }I just read somewhere (Boston Globe, Entertainment Weekly, }Premiere?) that Madonna's character of Dita is based on a German }silent film actress by that name (last name - Paron? - my mind's }obviously shot). Agh, this is going to bother me no end. I believe this is the woman who portrayed Lulu in the famous German silent film entitled _Lulu_, based on Frank Wedekind's classic pair of plays, _Lulu_ and _Die Buechse der Pandora_ (Pandora's Box) about a society woman who screws up and ends up one of Jack the Ripper's prostitute victims in London (hey, I should write Cliff's Notes for a living :). Her name was.... her name was........ argh! A friend of mine did his studio art thesis on her and her portrayal of Lulu, it was a great installation, and I'm blanking on her name. Laura, if you remember, _please_ let me know!!! (I don't see the resemblance, btw.) }Speaking of Madonna (not that I often do), did anyone read about }the party she threw in NYC recently for k.d. lang? Madonna }supposedly left in a huff when k.d. didn't show on time and k.d. }showed up later mumbling something about 'having a lovers' }quarrel'. If this is true, this IS strange... Oooh, the plot thickens. I love this stuff, regardless of how true or untrue it is. (But I only _look_ at the tabloids in the checkout line, I swear! ;) NB: You all may receive some bounced posts to Ecto from my direction the next couple days- my GEnie Internet access is no more (anyone considering getting it please drop me a note first so I can give you the reasons why you shouldn't do it), and Jess isn't around to unsubscribe me in time. In the meantime mail will work to my Wesleyan address, as always. HAPPY HALLOWEEN! +===============================================================+ | Meredith A. Tarr | | mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu | +===============================================================+ | "..I think she looks far less like a dominatrix in those duds | | than like your stereotypical Bavarian beer hall waitress." | | - Mitch Pravatiner (on Madonna's new look) | +===============================================================+ ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 1 Nov 92 1:29:45 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Aggggugh! Sorry, I just had to vent some frustration. We were just flipping channels and came across the last 30 second of 10,000 Maniacs on Saturday Night Live. Agggugh! It take a *lot* to get me to pay attention to SNL, especially now, when I'm pissed off at them for being so hoity-toity about what Sinead did, but I would have suffered through a show if I'd known that the maniacs were on. Aggggugh! (Have I mentioned that I *really* like the new album? I do.) Psychowelders...well, they are a group from Kansas City and they have 1 CD out (Intertia) and various tapes in various stages of availbility. They're alternative rock along the lines of Arson Garden, Hetch Hetchy & Caterwaul. Rhondda (yes, 2 d's) Francis is the lead vocalist and lyricist. She draws her lyrics from obscure and interesting sources, and likes to write about things like the witchcraft trials of days gone by. I like them a *lot* and highly recommend them. The CD is $10.00 (*includes* postage, if you're in the USA. I don't know about any other country) and can be bought from: Rhondda Francis 3815 Walnut, #1S Kansas City, MO 64111 Chris just came back from Kansas City and spent some time with Rhondda. She said to say thanks for all the support!!! I guess that they are very low on CDs (maybe around 60 left) and have no immediate plans to press more, so anyone who wants a first pressing should consider ordering right away. They've been playing quite a bit outside the Kansas City area, and Chris said that Rhondda mentioned something about playing Buffalo, NY soon. I'll try to get more info, but if anyone is close to Buffalo (Alan Sodoma?) you might keep an eye out for their name. If you go, be sure to talk to one of the band memebers and mention Ecto and me. They'll know. I am *kicking* myself for not opening mail sooner. I just opened a mailing from Big Hat that I'd gotten a while ago and there was a listing for dates being played in October and November. They were in the Northeast in October and played Boston and New York and lots of other places :-(. I'm *really* sorry, I would have typed in the dates and urged people to go. In November they're staying pretty much around this area. Teach me to open all mail at once. I have packages at the Post Office from Seattle and England. I assume one is Neile's but who is the other one from? I'll have Chris pick them up this next week. I DON'T have my PO Box yet, but I'll post it as soon as I get it. Be ready to write it down. Mitch, I don't watch TV enough to participate in your poll, but I'm interested in anything anyone else comes up with. I did a silly thing the other day. I was on the train coming home, and I was half people-watching and half reading, and I saw a fella that looked very interesting. You know how it is when you see someone who just looks like someone you wish you knew? I'm not, personally, talking about a love interest, of course, though someone else might do that. I just mean as someone who looks like they'd be an interesting friend. This guy was like that. I had a CD of Warpaint in my purse which I keep for emergency give-aways, and just before my stop I gathered my courage and walked up to him and said excuse me, blah blah I'm not crazy blah blah it's not a religious or cult thing blah blah I like spreading around music blah blah and gave him the Warpaint. I asked him to pass it along to someone else if he didn't like it. Hmmmm. I wonder if it will end up in a used record store... Someone asked about Happy in gaffa again. That's 3 times in the last few weeks. Yay! I'm so pleased! I finally have all Loreena's CDs now, thanks to Mike Mendelson, who just went to Montreal and picked them up for us. I also just got Maire's CD, and it's *wonderful*!! Funny thing-Mike also picked up Jane's The Walking for us. We wanted it because we'd heard that the Canadian version has slightly different versions of certain songs. Everything looked fine, the CD booklet, back and the CD itself all said Jane Siberry. But when we put the CD in the player and pressed play, it's some Chicago blues band!!! How bizarre! A friend goes all the way to Canada to bring us back a CD of a Chicago blues band!! Mike, don't worry about it, of course you couldn't have known. I think I'll send it back to Duke Street and see if they'll exchange it. They'd probably want to know about it anyway. S'it, bye... Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 1 Nov 92 3:25:52 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: just kidding... Hello, I wanted to say welcome to Ecto, just in case I'd forgotten to do it before. Our other account (katefans) is down now, so if you've sent anything there, it either bounced or disappeared into the void. We haven't been ignoring you, we just haven't gotten any mail there for over a month. I passed your birthday onto Klaus. Thanks. Seeya, Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 1 Nov 92 4:15:54 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Help -- Sophie B Hawkins Hi Scott, I can't help you with the Sophie question, but I was wondering if anyone has contacted you about the Happy sampler tape you asked about....Let me know. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: 31 October 1992 13:29:29 CST From: Subject: Laurie Anderson audio montage on NPR and other stories Yesterday afternoon, _All Things Considered_ carried an audio montage prepared by Laurie Anderson, of numerous sound bits from the campaign trail. It started with Stockdale talking about how he "headed a society" in the POW camp, to the accompaniment of jungle-motif music. It went on to feature a variety of spee- ches by the candidates, and interviews with voters, with various musical accompaniments. It included bits from the Clinton rally in Chicago a couple of weeks ago, which explains what Laurie was doing there. At one point, she asked a couple of women what they thought of Michael Bolton (or maybe it was what they thought of the rally, and they gushed about MB); rather ironically, much of the later interviewing was against the background of the opening riffs of Club Nouveau's "Lean on Me." Just one more suggested musical bit for the political season: "Landslide" by Olivia Newton-John, just in case the margin turns out to be as lopsided as some at the Clinton rally predicted it would be. Remember to vote Tuesday. Mitch ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Loreena McKennitt in Cambridge, MA Date: Sun, 01 Nov 92 23:36:24 EST Hi, Just a quick post, before I call it a night, but I have to encourage everyone who will in the coming days have the opportunity to see Loreena McKennitt play live, to do so. Her show was amazing. She played for more than 1:30, with Brian Hughes (guitar/balalaika/sitar), Anne Bourne (cello/keyboards/accordion) Hugh Marsh (violin), Steve Lucas (bass) and Rick Lazar (percussion), quite an eclectic bunch of musicians. She played most of the Visit, and a couple of songs from her earlier albums, plus some that have never made it to a CD. Her voice, is beautiful on record, but live is really intense, rich and amazing. I am so glad I experienced her performance, especially given the venue (Nightstage) which IMHO is the *ideal* place for concerts. I can't believe I missed Tori Amos playing there in April (then I was in SF :) ). Oh, her albums are all on sale at the venue, so be prepared!!! :) Miami here I come!!!!!!!!!!!! See ya all in a week+ Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 2 Nov 92 0:33:18 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Loreena McKennitt in Cambridge, MA > >Hi, > >Just a quick post, before I call it a night, but I have to encourage everyone >who will in the coming days have the opportunity to see Loreena McKennitt play >live, to do so. Her show was amazing. She played for more than 1:30, with >Brian Hughes (guitar/balalaika/sitar), Anne Bourne (cello/keyboards/accordion) ^^^^^^^^^^^ Wow! This is Jane Siberry's old keyboard player!! (Not that she's old...) This will be great! I'll take along a Jane CD and try to have her sign it. > Hugh Marsh (violin), Steve Lucas (bass) and Rick Lazar (percussion), quite an > eclectic bunch of musicians. She played most of the Visit, and a couple of > songs from her earlier albums, plus some that have never made it to a CD. > Her voice, is beautiful on record, but live is really intense, rich and > amazing. I am so glad I experienced her performance, especially given the > venue (Nightstage) which IMHO is the *ideal* place for concerts. I can't > believe I missed Tori Amos playing there in April (then I was in SF :) ). Thanks for the information Angelos, have a good time in Miami! Vickie ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)