28-Nov-91 23:02:55-GMT,19666;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24997; Thu, 28 Nov 91 17:53:16 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22884; Thu, 28 Nov 91 17:53:14 EST Date: Thu, 28 Nov 91 17:53:14 EST Message-Id: <9111282253.AA22884@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #68 ecto, Number 68 Thursday, 28 November 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* I can see light inside concert(s) no peachy TSW picture Rec.music.misc post ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 25 Nov 91 10:35:00 EDT From: @cdp.igc.org:S.A..Ezust@p38.f1.n721.z5.Fidonet.Org (S.A. Ezust) Subject: I can see light inside Date: Mon Nov 25 10:36:15 1991 GMT+2 First of all, to vickie, kIrI, and Doug: Thanx for the happy birthday msgs!!! Justin---> HAPPY BIRTHDAY yerself! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Date: Wed, 20 Nov 91 18:28:55 EST > From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu > Subject: wxpn > > i've found that i absoutely love cocteau twins "Treasure", but > nothing else of theirs ive listened to so far i like as much. > did i say that already? my apologies if i did. Has anyone gotten > the box set yet? I'm wondering what the stuff on it sounds like, > i'll only want it if it's treasure-ish :) Woj probably already beat me to this, but anyway... I guess if you like Treasure, you might like Garlands and Head Over Heels, which were their second and third LPs. "Sunburst and Snowblind" is one of the EPs included in the boxed set. "Love's Easy Tears" another from the same generation. There might be one more in the set that you'll like, but the rest of em are probably a little more recent, and my guess is that you like the older stuff. However, I should mention that my favorite stuff by them is pre-blue-bell knoll, and Victorialand is my all-time favorite. It would help if I knew what you did hear and didn't like, and then I could narrow down your search for ya. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 91 12:48:54 EST > From: spix%sparc6a@harvard.harvard.edu (Claudia Spix) > Subject: Hello everybody!!! Welcome Claudia! Just confused about something - if you're reading over Klaus's shoulder and he is posting from Denmark and you're posting from Boston, how long is your neck? :-) > Since here I listen a lot to the radio, mostly WFNX, thanx to all who > recommended it! But guess which one of the pile of cassettes I brought > has hardly left my walkman? Right! Dunno if anyone else recommended this for you, but WZBC FM90.3 also plays decent music most of the time.. It's a little weirder than WFNX though, being a campus radio station and all. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Footah talks about : warm and fuzzies > as always, ectopods are welcome to visit or call me when in boston -- > to my delight i've had pretty regular visitors since the summer. Be prepared for another visitor in January, then! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> < > < Who else on the list is based in Boston? Anyone who sends me his/her > < name/number will get a buzz from me when I am home!! > < > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Woj blushes: > sez: > >i'll get your tape out ASAP, but i want to get some more > >bananarama cd's before i do, or you'll end up getting a lot of stuff you'ce > >already heard on the radio... > > aiiiiiiiiiieeee! public embarrasment in ecto - woj is revealed to be a > bananarama virgin about to be deflowered. i blush. :8) I read it when Michelle posted it and assumed she was joking!!! Oh my god.. I have to post this on nm-list !!!! :-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 91 03:46 CST > From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) > Subject: Testorama > > It must be somewhat irratating to some that I always seem to be complaining, > things go haywire. It's much much worse for me when I don't get incoming, > then I *really* feel cut off. Ecto is addictive, I'm hooked...line and > sinker! I feel like a junkie going through withdrawal symptoms when I'm > cut off either way. Silly huh? Not at all. I am probably even more of a junkie than you are, and this very weak and unreliable link I have with the outside world has a deep impact on my ability to function in regular society. If I don't have my email, I just turn into a jibbering idiot. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Every time I see a poem posted by Jeanne I have the sudden urge to write something in return. Many of my poems were inspired by songs by groups like the Cure, Legendary Pink Dots, and Die Form, but until now I haven't written a Happy-inspired poem. I was listening to Words Weren't Made For Cowards (for the zillionth time) and came up with a few more verses which kinda fit into the song... Here they are: you must bear with me, I understand things for you are not the same but I have to reveal my thoughts inside 'cos after this we won't have a place to hide unprotected, the barriers are breaking down breaking down, without a wait your apprehension is there, without a doubt but I can see light inside, coming out by SAE November 25, 1991 Ezust@p38.f1.n721.z5.fidonet.org University of Zimbabwe, Harare Engineering CAL Project --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Subject: concert(s) Date: Thu, 28 Nov 91 11:32:07 N From: Klaus Kluge No concert in december? :( Will this change my life? Will I give my air tickets to someone else? No, I have lots of other reasons to go to Boston. (e.g. I can't find an Innocence Mission record here :) Actually Claudia and I had been talking about wether I would come to Boston again in February, and nearly decided not to do it. But with this new situation it's worth considering it again. Are there any other interesting concerts in the Boston area during the 2nd half of december? Angelos, could you be more specific about your PULSE! story? Far away Ectophiles, who have never heard of that magazine, would like to know. Everybody: enjoy your turkeys! _________________________________________________________ . * | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | _ . * .* . | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | (_) . . | countdown: 16 days --- Happy Rhodes --- | . . o | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge kkluge@Materna.DE | <== ======================================================================== Subject: no peachy TSW picture Date: Thu, 28 Nov 91 12:59:34 N From: Klaus Kluge Yesterday I got my KaTe posters and postcards (unfortunately not all I had been ordering). After the information I received here, I was not surprised that the 2 TSW items did not include the peach shot. My favourite picture is definitely the TSW single picture, with sand/ashes falling from Her hands. I only got that on postcards; if I had that on a poster, the choice of which to put on the wall would have been easy. There's only space for the HUGE TSW-promo-poster or two of the smaller ones in the study, as Claudia declared the living room to be forbidden country for posters. Hope I can make up my mind this weekend. _____ Klaus Kluge --- kkluge@Materna.DE --- Countdown: 16 days ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Nov 91 12:45 GMT From: "KaTe, HaPpY, and JaNe MAD!!!" a fuzzy navel is peach schnapps and orange juice... the blue alcohol' name escapes me right now but it is used it a drink called a Blue Whale ... i wouldnt mind trying out a warm fuzzy blue myself...goddess knows one would be all it took for me!!! anyone want to synthesize those two posters..i wouldnt mind contributing to the cause if they are printed out.. i am always looking for a laugh... merow.. Court. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 28 Nov 91 01:46 CST From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Rec.music.misc post Vickie here, this was in rec.music.misc tonight. I'm including the entire post (you'll eventually see why I'm posting it) and my reply. Also tonight I posted a bit about Happy in the Freddie Mercury thread with a few lines from "Feed the Fire" and Happy's message to us concerning Freddie. The subject line is "Other musician's reactions (was Re: Freddie Mercury)" Angelos, I'm going to pick up a Pulse ASAP!! GREATGOODWONDERFUL!! Can you pick up quite a few extras, as many as you can. I'm sure Happy would want one, as well as others who don't live near a Tower. I'll want one if it turns out that there aren't any Pulses left or I was too late. Kiri, wonderful post! Mitch, thank you for your review of Laurie Freelove. Please, re-work it a bit for a non-Ecto readership and post it in rec.music.gaffa, misc, and folk. I know lots of other people would enjoy reading it. I envy your descriptive powers very much. You're so good! Cynthia's mellowed out! More in another post. Happy Turkey Day to all the Americans, happy Thursday to everyone else! Here's the post I mentioned.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor) Subject: Re: World Cafe - a dissenting view (slightly) Date: 26 Nov 91 22:57:21 GMT Organization: Heurikon Corporation, Madison, WI Just a note about the "world cafe" stuff which may be slightly less breathless. The programmers [who have, incidentally, done a reasonably nice job *as* programmers] are in part the recipient of an enormous CPB grant which, if it works, will in effect have a tremendous effect on the kind of programming that WC currently seems interested in. As I understand it, the eventual goal of the program is to provide regional programmers with a syndicated version of the sort of stuff one finds on, say, "The Hearts of Space" for those of you of the new-agier persuasion. The logic seems pretty ironclad, too. It runs like this - in order to make sure they can hold on to paying listener-sponsors in these cash tight says, there's a perceived need on the part of local community and semi-public/college radio stations to deliver a more ah..."polished" and consistent style of programming to its audience. In practice, that's not always an easy thing to do [particularly since the bulk of community or listener/sponsor stations simply cannot afford to pay their programmers at all], and the syndicated show format seems a marketer's dream: it will allow small stations to "sell" themselves more easily by providing them with access to listener-identifiable, regularly delivered sensibilities in a territory that currently isn't dominated by any other programming niche [this notion of defining the "niche" of listener-sponsored radio is important. It's what all radio is about these days.]. Doing this particular kind of centralized programming is or will be relatively cheap [the idea, of course, is that you as a station *will* be paying for the programming by the end of the trial period...same as you *pay* for HoS or John Schaefer's "New Sounds."] and attractive. So my problem is *not* with the programming [not at all, although we just lost a womon here who relocated who's could program the trousers off the World Cafe folks - a number of whom used to be at my station, I hear], nor with the goal of attempting to stabilize the fund-raising capabilities of community and public radio stations [I'm rather intimately involved with those kind of problems at the station where I do my show, and believe me, these are *not* easy times for community radio]. I'm merely a little concerned that the requirements of standardization will, in the long run, tend toward a more homogenized programming than we're now hearing [and I'm sure that there are a number of older listeners to shows like Schaefer's "New Sounds" and "Hearts of Space" who have felt that the programming is far less adventurous than it used to be. At least I hope I'm not alone in this view], and that the net effect of this approach will wind up discouraging the development of local program with similar aims...aims which may better serve a local community when *locally* done. I used to say this same stuff back in the days before "alternative" radio playlists were the goose-stepping parade of 120-min. style programming that it seems to be now. I just can't let this early discussion go by without suggesting that, while a number of you [programmers, too] may be happy with the state of things as they are, I can't but wonder where it will lead eventually. I'm frightfully committed to the notion of community involvement in the business of doing radio, and it seems that this works against that in some form. I really think that I find the idea of radio with Happy Rhoads and Yo La Tengo in heavy rotation just as worrisome as I do with the current "soundtrack of my life" radio elsewherer. I'm not at all comforted that the playlist will fit *my* biases compared with the more open approach that community programming suggests. It is possible that I'm merely fancying myself a dinosaur crying in the wilderness. I should really be raising the capital to be putting out whatever we'll call the Rockpool tipsheet for "World Cafe" programming any day now. Yours for better radio, Gregory Taylor Newsgroups: rec.music.misc Subject: Re: World Cafe - a dissenting view (slightly) Summary: Happy Rhodes In article <1142@heurikon.heurikon.com> gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor) writes: >I just can't let this early discussion go by without suggesting that, >while a number of you [programmers, too] may be happy with the state of >things as they are, I can't but wonder where it will lead eventually. >I'm frightfully committed to the notion of community involvement in >the business of doing radio, and it seems that this works against that >in some form. I really think that I find the idea of radio with Happy >Rhoads and Yo La Tengo in heavy rotation just as worrisome as I do >with the current "soundtrack of my life" radio elsewherer. I'm not at >all comforted that the playlist will fit *my* biases compared with the >more open approach that community programming suggests. It is possible >that I'm merely fancying myself a dinosaur crying in the wilderness. >I should really be raising the capital to be putting out whatever we'll >call the Rockpool tipsheet for "World Cafe" programming any day now. Believe me, I understand what you are saying and agree with most of it, but I can't be objective when you put "Happy Rhodes" and "worrisome" in the same sentence. I have been programming my radio show ("Suspended In Gaffa") for over 3 and a half years for KKFI, the Community station in Kansas City, MO. I know all about the problems community radio has, and I also agree that it should involve the local area. That aside, I've been playing Happy nearly every week, devoting entire shows to her, setting aside Happy "blocks" every few weeks. I got some of the local stores to carry her 1st 4 albums and built up quite a following for her in the Kansas City area. Until recently, Kansas City was the only place in the country that listeners could hear Happy on a regular basis. No, she wasn't local to Kansas City (she's from Albany, NY) and I might be accused of using my (non-paid) radio show to push an artist, but I liked her a *lot* and my listeners liked her a *lot* and I thought it was unfair that such a talented artist should be unknown and forgotten. The most important point of my show is to give unknown female artists a voice. Happy was/is my #1 artist in that area. I'm as pleased and suprised and amazed as anyone in the universe that other people are now starting to pick up on her, listening to and enjoying her music. I "found" her in 1988 and now, in 1991, the word is starting to spread outside of Kansas City and Albany. Her first album came out in 1986, so it's about time too. I salute WXPN and World Cafe for recognizing her talent. Since 99.9% of the world still doesn't know who Happy Rhodes is, I find it amazing that you even use her name in the same post as the word "homeginized" and "worrisome". I'll have to read your post again more closely. As far as World Cafe goes, I've never heard the show, but from the sound of it, it has nothing in common with "Hearts of Space." I think I understand your context, but still, any show, be it HoS or WC, that plays music that isn't generally heard anywhere else, is a good thing. I wish my show could be syndicated and I wish I could get a grant. It currently plays on 2 stations and soon will air on 2 more (well, one definite, the other almost certainly) and it's all coming out of my own pocket. I don't want to get paid, and I would never want anyone else involved in choosing what I play, but it would be nice to have expenses covered. To me though, integrity of playlist is much more important than money, so if I had to choose between a grant with interference or no grant at all, I'd give up the grant. I know you weren't talking about this, but I wanted to throw my 2cents in too. One more thought about Happy...a question that niggles at me is, since I've been playing her for 3 years as an "unknown," what would I do if she actually had a hit and became well-known? That's a very tough one that I'll have to deal with at some point, since I'm sure she will be "discovered" someday soon by the rest of the country and the world. There was much more to your post, and a very interesting post it was. I will read it closer off-line. 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