10-Nov-91 19:50:19-GMT,31246;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22082; Sun, 10 Nov 91 14:41:53 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03279; Sun, 10 Nov 91 14:41:49 EST Date: Sun, 10 Nov 91 14:41:49 EST Message-Id: <9111101941.AA03279@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #29 ecto, Number 29 Sunday, 10 November 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Ecto gif/Madonna I wonder if I'll get away with this... :) ectoplasm #27 A question for Miss Vickie :) feeding the fire words weren't made for cowards MISC Stuff. (yes, a worthy subject line isn't it?) The Innocence Mission (long....winded :-) ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 9 Nov 91 13:32:29 CST From: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey) Subject: Ecto gif/Madonna Meredith writes about Madonna: > not a Pre-manufactured Pop Star-- she actually has a brain! :) And b*lls!! That is what I have always admired about her, more than anything else. Greg B writes about the processed Ecto gif: > stone cold beans! cool enough that i am going to ask jessica to put the > GIF version i just made into the ecto-archives on athos.rutgers.edu... Glad you like it! You may also try inverting the gray scales so balck maps to white and vice versa. Makes it look like it has been turned inside out or you are looking at it from the back, interesting visual effect! I am going to tile them together for my background, makes a great pair. You can use "pnminvert" to invert the grey scales or "gamma correction" if you use "xv". - V ======================================================================== Date: 9-NOV-1991 15:28:28.56 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: I wonder if I'll get away with this... :) Hi! Jessica- thanks for the mention to Happy- I figured they weren't just blowing me off and have a lot of mail. At the end of yesterday's letter I just mentioned that the invitation to appear on WESU is still open, and left it at that. (Ooh- Happy knows my name... :) I just *have* to say this, it's totally my opinion, but just the knowledge that I can say it and not get fried gives me the courage to speak out: Stephen King sucks the big one. He can't write for sh*t, he's an egotistical bastard, and his stories are boring. Whew... I feel better now! :) I don't think badly of anyone who does like him, obviously a lot of people around the world do, (there's no accounting for taste :) but I personnally can't stand his stuff. Maybe the fact that my aunt was his 11th-grade English teacher and gave him a really bad grade biases me, but hey... I find it amusing that there's such a Madonna thread over here, too. One more thing-- our Birthday List contains, date, year, sign, day of the week- what about time of day? I submit 4:22 PM. Anybody else? (With this info ANYBODY could get a complete horoscope done... :) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Meredith Tarr "We let the weirdness in..." mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu -Kate Bush +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 9 Nov 91 15:55:40 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Subject: ectoplasm #27 vickie sez: >ps, just got home from seeing The Innocence Mission. WONDERFUL!!!!!! mmmm...i gotta get tickets for their third show in nyc at the end of this month...i missed the first two shows cos a) i wasn't aware that they were playing and b) i wasn't around anyways...grrr...i was told though, by a friend of mine who say their show at the marquee that karen is a goddess. oh no, here we go again... gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) sez: >woj clarifies: >> glad that you added the caveat. my feeling is that you should like what >> appeals to you and if what you like happens to be popular at the time, >> so be it. >exactly! well said, sir. hmm, but be real real careful about posting to >.gaffa about those popular things ;) that reminds me. i finally figured out what ecto *really* is: a halfway house for unwelcome love-hounds! :) >"noodlings"! "_noodlings_" hmmmph. yah, you just wait and we'll show you >"noodlings"... ;-} as long as you promise to whip me with one of them... woj@remus.rtugers.edu - i just want to sleep on you and leave it at that... ======================================================================== Date: 9-NOV-1991 16:18:20.85 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: A question for Miss Vickie :) Hi again... Just got back from perusing .gaffa, and noticed Vickie mentioned a song on _Warpaint_ is inspired by Kate. Which one? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Meredith Tarr "We let the weirdness in..." mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu -Kate Bush +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 9 Nov 91 20:15:23 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Re: A question for Miss Vickie :) hmm, Ms. Vickie can tell the whole story, if she chooses, but just to limit the amount of tension-causing suspense, the KaTe-inspired song on _Warpaint_ is _Feed the Fire_. look at the lyrics -- it makes sense... footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "...And voices crafted from thunder, the power of life" -- HR ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 9 Nov 91 20:26:00 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: feeding the fire i'm fortunate enough to have a tape of the distressingly hard to find "Solace", the new album from Sarah McLachlan -- i agree with others who have posted that this is a very very good album. One of the songs has an interesting (coincidental?) tie to Happy, and Meredith's question about _Feed the Fire_ prompted me to finally post the lyrics. thanks to jessica for the tape and the typing :) Into the Fire ------------- by Sarah McLachlan, from the album "Solace" Mother teach me to walk again Milk & honey so intoxicating & into the fire I'm reunited Into the fire I am the spark Into the fire I yearn for comfort Open the doors that lead on into eden Don't want no cheap disguise I follow the signs marked back to the beginning No more compromise --chorus-- Feel the water that carries to me to the sea You I see as my security --chorus-- I will stare at the sun until its light doesn't blind me I will walk into the fire until its heat doesn't burn me & I will feed the fire --chorus-- ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 9 Nov 91 20:36:14 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: words weren't made for cowards woj almost gets it right: > gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) sez: > [...] > >exactly! well said, sir. hmm, but be real real careful about posting to > >.gaffa about those popular things ;) > > that reminds me. i finally figured out what ecto *really* is: a halfway > house for unwelcome love-hounds! :) hmm, i think that's backwards, in a way... ecto is a refuge for love- hounds who don't welcome the boring posts that have become standard fare in .gaffa these days... actually, i have been little troubled by the recent gaffa wars -- Cynthia and all, they are but feeble, fragile flames compared to the raging fires of far less interesting newsgroups... but ecto *has* been more fun and fact-filled than gaffa recently. ut! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "the notes from my heart are what i share" ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 09 Nov 91 19:26:26 CDT From: Chip Subject: MISC Hi all. First - on the Stephen King thread. Just want to add my 2 cents worth. I haven't followed Stephen King in some time, but a few years back (actually about 6) I was really into him. I haven't read much lately, but I really like his style - his stories are more than just Horror. They can be real, I mean there are real people in them. My younger sister (who is currently spending a year in Japan - the lucky thing) just wrote me and told me that she has just started getting interested in him. Well, her birthday is coming up so I thought I'd get her a copy of his latest book. I picked one up today for her while out shopping at the warehouse club. Let's just say I'll be buying another copy for her :) Now about this pop culture/Madonna thing.... I think I used to be one of those snobbish ones who thought that anything popular was bad. I then came to realize that it is all *so* personal. I mean, who am I to judge someone else's taste? I realized that this world would be a damn boring place to live if everyone felt the same way about things that I do. I think I came to this realization a while ago when I first starting reading gaffa (March?) and saw all the flame wars based on personal preferences. At one point I would have been embarassed if any of you came over to my house and looked at my non-Kate collection. Now I don't care. I like what I like. You don't like Billy Joel? Fine by me. I happen to think some of his stuff is good. Of course there is stuff on my shelf that belongs to my wife that I don't like (take Barry Manilow for instance). Do I look down upon my wife? Nope. She has her own tastes and I think that is wonderful. I hate elitist (sp?) groups. I think I hate groups! I think that is why I like Ecto so much. Everyone's opinion (so far) is accepted. Let's hope this continues. Yes, there is a time and place for conflicting opinions - don't get me wrong. I just think being snobbish about other people's tastes is childish. I'm glad the recent Madonna discussion has come up. I don't care much for her, but I am in agreement with many of the other ectophiles that there is a brain in that head of hers. So she's been able to gather a large popular following - great for her. Take rap as another example. I've tried hard to listen to it, but I can't get interested. I've read some of the lyrics and some are truly great (others aren't!). I just can't get into to the sound of it. Am I wrong? Nope. Are those that listen to it wrong? Nope. I'm rambling! Shut up, Chip! Oh wait - I also wanted to share with you all a personal, but somewhat Happy related story - "why I am Chip" (some of you may remember a while back when I said call me Chip instead of Jeff but never gave any further explanation...) Before I was born my parents always referred to me as Chip (probably as in "Chip off the old block" but nobody knows for sure why today). Anyhow, when my birth was imminent, my grandmother told my parents that Chip was not a proper name and better come up with something better. So, on the day of my birth I was Jeffery (NOT JEFFREY, probably only because the nun who filled out the birth certificate didn't know how to spell). Of course the only one who ever called me that was my grandmother. All through my childhood *everyone* knew me as Chip. If I went somewhere where my "official" name was in print, I quickly made it clear that it was NOT my REAL name. Then came high school. I was dropped in a very large high school coming from a very small private school. When attendance was called I was too shy and overwhelmed to say "No, that's Chip not Jeff". I didn't want to hassle with the explanation. So it wasn't until high school that I became known as Jeff. In fact, when someone from school would call for Jeff, my mom would answer the phone and say "Jeff who? Oh yeah, just a minute.... CHIP, phone!". After I graduated from high school, I'd met many friends as Jeff and after coming to know me as such had a difficult time suddenly referring to me as something else. So here I am now. I still introduce myself as Jeff. I wish I'd been like Happy and officially changed my name. To this day, my friends and family prior to high school call me Chip. My wife met me as Jeff and still calls me that, but always refers to me as Chip around my family. (My parents still don't know who Jeff is). Anyhow, I am rambling again. I don't even know why. I guess what I am saying is I feel really at home here. I don't usually tell people this story unless I do feel at home. Many of my close friends today still call me Jeff (that's how they met me), but they all know my real name. Sorry for rambling. I'm signing off for now. Chip Lueck (Jeff) chip-l@nwu.edu Northwestern University OR (708) 467-1897 Work Phone jlueck@nuacvm.bitnet ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 10 Nov 1991 15:26 +8:00 From: SVODOPIER@cc.curtin.edu.au Subject: Stuff. (yes, a worthy subject line isn't it?) Hiyaloonalareenaloha, folks! Man, have I been busy lately... So busy I even had to cancel my weekly audiences with the Pope. He was upset of course... he loves to visit Australia... but I told to him to think of all the money he'd now save on airfares. kIrI wrote: > [something about finally having got around to laser-printing the lyrics] Yeah, me too! I spent a whole afternoon last week formatting them all nicely and printing them out as double sided pages. I also made a montage-GIF cover page and bound the whole lot into my very own personal "Happy Rhodes Songbook". Mmmmm. It's almost a pity I know most of the words by now. :-) Re: meaning of fuzzy blue. Well, originally I meant it as a sort of cross between "warm fuzzies" (because this is such a friendly list) and just the colour blue - because that's what colour Happy's songs are to me. I've never really conciously noticed it until recently, but most music has a "colour" as I listen to it. Jangly guitar pop is golden, reggae is green or brown, and Happy is generally a rich deep blue. Blues, the music I listen to most, can be practically any colour, depending on the song. Prince is pink, Kate is a sort of indefinable gold-rose pink etc etc. I don't know why this is... maybe it's partly to do with album covers. Re: hard-core christians You may recall me relating a story some months back about a Christian couple of my aquaintance called Ken and Sue, who had a few problems with the lyrics of Warpaint. Well, recently they happened to be in my car and were (of course) subtly bombarded with Vol. I by me. They liked what they heard. Then I showed them the covers of the 1st4. Ken (the less religious one) immediately looked over at his wife with a kind of trepidation on his face. Sue looked as if I'd just told her they were painted by the Devil and was mentally preparing to cross her fingers before her to ward off evil influences. "Kinda satanic, isn't it?" she coughed, and when I said "Why bring religion into it..." she started expressing concerns about where my interests lay. Just as well I didn't loan them my "Happy Rhodes Songbook." :-) I guess I'd expected this reaction but it really gets up my nose. Anyhow, I very much doubt they'll be ordering any Happy. Their loss. Re: FTP archives at athos.rutgers.edu:/pub/hr ... Nothing much seems to have changed for a couple of months... I for one would really appreciate it if the Ecto archives for the past couple of months plus any new gifs could be made available for anon ftp. Re: Ecto the 'zine What's going to be in it, anyway? Re: Musical appreciation. I'm sinking deeper and deeper into Happy. I can feel it every day. I find all the songs I didn't like quite as much as the others are growing on me like fungus. Like "Murder"... it's taken me months to get into that... even Box H.A.P is not so bad now. This is making is really difficult to make up an introductory compilation tape. Fortunately I wrote down all my early favourites. Phew. Ah well, enough musings... back to Ore Body Modelling with Linear Octrees. Anyhow, stay cool... (As if you had a choice, being winter and all... Ha ha ha ha ha haaaaa [evil laugh] 8) Martin [surname deleted] :-) P.S. I'll be here, I'll be in vector. Vasectomy? Hysterectomy? Expectorant? ,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------. | They call me the breeze, I keep blowin and a'blowin. | Martin Dougiamas | | I ain't got me nobody, I ain't carryin' no load. | sdougiama | | Ain't no changin' the weather, ain't no changin' me. | @cc.curtin.edu.au | | I ain't hidin' from nobody, ain't nobody hidin' from me.| Perth, W.Australia| `== Call me the Breeze - J.J. Cale ===========================================' ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 10 Nov 91 05:29 CST From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: The Innocence Mission (long....winded :-) Vickie here. Here's a humungous "Vickie" and it's all about The Innocence Mission. What follows is an article I wrote for rec.music.gaffa in February 1990, telling about seeing (and meeting) The Innocence Mission. After that will be more ramblings of the concert the other night. I'm re-posting this article for people who weren't on the net at the time it originally appeared, and to refresh the memories of those who were. My apologies to those on the IM Mailing List, because I posted this there right after the list first began. (Aside...Ecto has many more people on it than the IMML...curious) begin rehash: ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Feb. 1990 The Innocence Mission In some article I wrote about a thousand years ago I said: > I can't wait to meet Karen & Don Paris. I just hope I'll be able to > actually TALK to them instead of just "hi,i really like your music & > lyrics i like kate n jane too i play you on my radio show thanks for > coming" kind of thing. I'm a prophet. That's EXACTLY what happened! I tried & tried to get someone at the bar to call & tell me when they arrived so I could set something up. No one called me. Then, I wanted to try to talk to them before or during the opening band. No luck, their road manager was fairly strict in who went back there. Ala, lead singer for the opening band The Catherines, couldn't even put her coat & things backstage. About 15 minutes after the show ended Don & Karen came out to meet people. I hung back until everybody else had gone and what's written above is just about everything I said. I did thank Don for being responsible for one of the few times that Jane Siberry's been mentioned on MTV. He said he couldn't understand why she's not better known and that they are very big fans of hers. I showed Karen my playlist book and she reacted immediately to the words Suspended In Gaffa ("oh great!"), so she's definitely a Kate fan. I tried to fit everything I wanted to say into 60 seconds (see above, plus "i think you're a great role model, i'm glad that you like to listen to other people's music (so many musicians don't) and that you have GREAT taste in music and that you're not afraid to talk about the people who influence you".) I gave Karen tapes of my shows plus a Happy Rhodes sampler and she said that they would listen to them in the van they travel around in. They were very, very nice and friendly. I'm so happy they came. Unfortunatly, there were two huge problems that the band actually didn't have anything to do with. First, the weather was horrid. Sleet and ice with snow on top. There were a lot of people there anyway, so I'm sure that if the weather had been nice (just a few days ago it was 70 degrees!), the place would have been packed. Second, it was a bar so a) no one under 21 could get in, b) the "DJ" played loud, awful, grating, boyz with guitarz & synths BOOM-BOOM crap before & between bands. I couldn't get back to the DJ booth so I begged & pleaded with one of the employees to ask to DJ to mellow out a bit. I requested Kate saying "the Innocence Mission LIKE Kate Bush, it will probably make them happy" and tried to make him understand that the people there to see the band were there because they like sensitive, intelligent, meaningful music and couldn't he please ask the DJ to find something fairly compatible? NOBODY appreciated Ministry at earthquake volumes before an Innocence Mission concert! Well, just before the band came out the DJ played "L&A" so he must have gotten my message. c) I hate to see great bands at bars because there's this "bar mentality" that some people have. They think that it's perfectly OK to talk as loud and as much as they want to even when the band's playing. Hearing some yuppie jerk talk loudly about this rad party he went to while Karen's singing "Paper Dolls" is nearly enough to make me consider homicide as a lovely human invention. The thought that I couldn't do my show from a jail cell made me come to my senses. OK, all that said, the show was WONDERFUL!!! The band was tight and Karen's voice was beautiful. They did every song on the album except for Mercy and Notebook. They performed quite a few songs that aren't on the album so they must have enough material for a second album. Silly me, I forgot to ask when they would be going into the studio again. They came out for three encores, very nice! During one of the encores Karen sang a very moving cover of "Both Sides Now". I'd never really liked that song until last night. Even with all the problems, I had a great time and I urge everyone to go see them if they come anywhere near where you are. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- end rehash OK, real time here again. A few months after this concert they came back to the Kansas City area (where we moved from last year) opening for Don Henley. I had contacted IM's record company before the above concert and they had sent me a promotional package. For the Don Henley date I wanted to interview Karen live on the air and I set it up with Arista. Karen called me from Indianapolis, where they had just gotten off stage. We chatted on the air for about 20 minutes. It was a pretty cool interview, though I gushed all over the place (it's a habit :-) I had lots of fun and it certainly made up for my sour Happy interview. On the phone, but off the air, Karen told me that they had listened to the tapes I gave them and liked them quite a bit. I didn't ask her specifically about Happy. This time around, I almost didn't go to the concert. I didn't buy a ticket until the day of the show. First because we were very low on cash when the tickets went on sale, second because I just figured they had sold the show out. The day of (last Thursday) though, I decided to just go down to the venue and see if there were any last minute return tickets left. Well, not only were they *not* sold out, the ticket was only $8.00! The opening band was called The Texas Rubies, who are 2 young women, one plays guitar and they both sing. They are essentially a Country-Western duo, singing covers and originals and would be right at home on TNN (The Nash- ville Network, for those across-the-ponders) with their lyrics of broken hearted lovers & tributes to Hank Williams Sr.. I liked them, the harmonies were great, and they do yodel (I love yodeling) but the lyrics were mind- numbingly mediocre. They'd be classified as "alternative" country if their lyrics were only halfway decent. One of the things I don't like about country music are the horrible woe-is-me-drown-my-sorrows-in-beer lyrics. I tuned them out after the first few songs, and just tried to appreciate the harmonies and voices. Very strange band to open for IM, but it could have been much worse. Last time they played Chicago (when we lived in KC) friends of ours went and said that a Kansas City band called The Pedaljets opened for IM. Ugh! The Pedaljets are loud and obnoxious rock and thrash! To get complicated for a moment, The Pedaljets moonlight in another (better) band called The Catherines, and The Catherines opened for IM in Kansas City. I have visions of IM thinking they were having deja vu in Chicago when meeting the opening band who had just "opened" for them a few nights before in Kansas City, under a different name and with a female lead singer! Huh? It must have been strange. When I first went into the venue (Chris didn't go with me, btw) I stopped by the T-shirt booth. I didn't buy anything, no money, but I wanted to see what was available. Right next to the booth was a pay phone. I saw someone talking and realized it was Don! I kept one eye on the phone and when he hung up I approached him. I said "you probably don't remember me, but I have a radio sh..." "Yeah, I remember you, what are you doing in Chicago?" Wow! He must meet *so* many people and it was nearly 2 years since we'd met! I told him about the move and he asked me about SIG. I said it was still going on and some details. I asked about the tapes I'd given them and he said they listened and liked, and that he still had them. I asked if he remembered the Happy Rhodes sampler tape and he said yes, but he had to think a few moments, so I guess they never really got into Happy from that tape. I was encouraged that he at least knew who I was talking about, so I said, "well, she has a new album out, and...here it is" and gave him a cassette. He thanked me and said he had to go, but that he hoped he'd see me after the show. Great! It was a huge disappointment that there were very few people at the concert. In KC last time, the place was full and it was during the horrible weather I described. This Chicago show was an all-ages early show too! The weather was cold, but no snow or other problems, so I guess there was very little publicity for the show. Too bad too, because it was GREAT! I was upstairs for the Texas Rubies, but came downstairs during the break. I went to the front of the stage right before the lights went off and was only a few feet away from Karen and Don during the whole concert. They both looked at me and smiled a few times during the concert. Once the show started, many more people came to stand at the front, so it seemed fairly full but I imagine the view from the stage was pretty depressing. They didn't let on though, and looked like they were having a good time. They came out for 2 encores, and during one of them Karen said that it was nice to get such a good response (and it was good, the people who were there were very vocal and appreciative) because 2 days earlier they had had a lot of their equipment stolen! :-( :-( Everybody went "AWWWWWW" but Karen said "that's OK, thanks though." The sound was very good, the band was tight and very together. Karen played keyboards as usual, but a couple of times switched to acoustic guitar. The songs were excellent. They did a good mixture of songs from the first album and from _Umbrella_ and threw in a couple of new ones. The re-working of "Revolving Man" was very strange, the only part of the concert that put me off a bit, because that's my favorite song from Umbrella, and they completely discarded the "revolverevolverevolve" chorus. Darn! Everything else was wonderful though, and I had a great time! I would *HIGHLY* recommend this concert to anyone. First because it's damn good, second because it's nice to support a band like this. They're just truly nice people playing excellent music with interesting lyrics. Karen's voice is as beautiful as ever (though enunciation is not her strong point :-) ) and I just think that IM deserve all the support they can get. After the show I went downstairs hoping to catch them on the way out, and found that Don and Karen were in the lobby signing autographs and talking to people. I met Don again and told him that I enjoyed the show very much and asked him about the stolen equipment. He said it happened in Ohio but when I asked for more information, he just shrugged and said it wasn't important, that it was "only" equipment. The beefy bouncers were running people out of the place but I managed to catch a couple of words with Karen and got her autograph. I said again "you probably don't remember me, but I interviewed you and..." "Of course I remember you, how are you?" she said and I was floored at her memory too! I explained again about moving and SIG, and said (as the bouncers were closing in) that I had given Don a tape of Happy Rhodes new album. She said that she saw it and was looking forward to hearing it. I had told Don, and I told Karen too, that Happy was a fan of theirs. That's somewhat of a fib, because Happy has only heard one song, BUT, she liked it very much, and will be getting the albums on their next buying spree. Happy told me that the last time they went record shopping she had IM on her list, but got voted down by Kevin. Oh well, next time. Anyway, the bouncers closed in and I had to leave. Karen said that she didn't know what was going on, why they were rushing people to get out and apoligised. I think she might have talked more if we'd had the time. I would have liked to talk more. As soon as I left, I realized that I hadn't told Karen one thing that I wanted to, which was that "Feed The Fire" was inspired by Kate and Peter. Karen and Don are both big Kate and Peter fans, as well as Jane Siberry (they even borrow a Jane phrase, "flap and fly", for one of their songs) and also The Cocteau Twins. I really do hope they like Warpaint, maybe even enough to contact Happy. That would be so nice. That's it, I had a wonderful time and again, I highly recommend this concert if they come to or near where you are. If you go, and you happen to meet them, drop Happy's name and see what they say :-) Maybe they'll have listened to Warpaint by then. More, on other subjects, to come later, but for now...good morning all... Vickie ps, I just *now* realized that I gave Don a cassette without a bar code. Now I **really** hope they enjoy it, because it's a collector's item. Sheesh! ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! Donations above the subscription cost are welcomed - all money goes to bringing you better issues! 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