8-Nov-91 5:29:50-GMT,25493;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17931; Fri, 8 Nov 91 00:18:44 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22739; Fri, 8 Nov 91 00:18:40 EST Date: Fri, 8 Nov 91 00:18:40 EST Message-Id: <9111080518.AA22739@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #26 ecto, Number 26 Friday, 8 November 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* My Stunt Man post SF, filking, and Stuff this and that SF and authors. Foreign Tongues and Inquiring Minds aiiieeee! stephen king collectibles. Happy stuff :) Stuff (is this a Vickie?) IT'S JAPANESE! IT'S JAPANESE! lyrics ======================================================================== From: Daniel Segel Subject: My Stunt Man post Date: Wed, 6 Nov 91 10:04:15 PST Well, I apologize to all over the mess my Stunt Man post caused because of a few errant control characters in the beginning of it. I honestly have no idea where they came from, but those pesky characters seem intent on messing up the date in the header of the post on my system, and on completely crashing other mail systems. I tried to re-send the article to Ecto for those that don't get the digest (which Jessica kindly re-sent with the offending characters removed :) *thanks to Jessica* ), but I'm not sure the second attempt will be any better. Anyway, I've already started measures to prevent this from happening again (Seal all decks! Notify security!). BTW, anyone know if Happy is a Star Trek fan? regards, daniel a. segel daniels@xstor.com (included because I *know* my .sig won't show up...) ======================================================================== Date: 6-NOV-1991 20:24:30.06 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: SF, filking, and Stuff Hi all... Hey Court, did you get your sticking "!" key fixed yet? :) :) :) Jessica, thanks for resending #24, but it came through fine the first time- just thought I'd let you know, in case it happens again- you don't need to panic too much. :) Vickie, what (was it Jeff? Sorry, brain shutdown) said about Happy and Filking and such is right. To introduce Happy into that sort of area would not represent her in a good light to the rest of the SF community. However, to try to focus on the SF-aspects in her music would be a good idea. I think there definitely are quite a few (great post, Doug!). At the same time, I think you're giving filking a bad rap. It's fun, and though I haven't done much myself, I've seen how much fun people have in doing it. True, some go overboard, but I look around my Kate-shrine and wisely choose to keep my mouth shut about musical excess! ;) One song in particular, "Carmen Miranda's Ghost Is Haunting Space Station Three", engendered a wonderfully whacked anthology of the same name a couple years later. However, attempting to present Happy within that sphere would be like trying to play Jane on Dr. Dimento- you would put something serious into a wholly novelty pigeonhole. As one who has been to a number of conventions, I can attest to the fact that a lot of the Big-time Fen are a bit skewed. There are a lot of wonderful people among them, though. And the pros, the people I go with (my sister is one and I end up hanging out with her and her colleagues most of the time), are a great bunch. For them the cons are work- they do the programming, meet with their editors, plot novels (evilly, too, I might add :), and wear themselves out. They have a good time, but they also take it seriously- they have to. The Fen, on the other hand, are there to party, as well as do gaming, wear silly costumes, filk, and try to convince the pros they really DO want to read their (mostly awful) manuscripts. And everybody is there to go nuts in the dealer's room!!! :) Just wanted to make sure this didn't turn into a Con-bashing session. I'm not a Fan, but I know quite a few and have read a lot, and I see the Cons as a chance to go nuts for a weekend, and be totally deviant in a hotel without really being deviant. ;) Oh- anybody notice something strange about the American cover of Terry Pratchett's _Pyramids_? (Answer next time, unless somebody guesses it first ;) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Meredith Tarr "We let the weirdness in..." mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu -Kate Bush +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ======================================================================== Subject: this and that Date: Thu, 07 Nov 91 10:22:50 N From: Klaus Kluge Welcome Kent and Alan ! Now 63 people on the list? Wow! Do you remember the good old days, Jessica, when there were just a handful of Ectophiles and you knew all their names by heart? :-) Me, myself, I, forgot ... > surely didn't publish _Warpaint_ with the intention to animate us into > doing fanzines, new mixes, paintings, quotes, .... it definitely had that ... poems. I'm not a poems fan, although I've written one in english some weeks ago. I had to play the Usenet Oracle, and wanted to answer in a limerick. Glad it wasn't published. :) A BIG thank you for the 4AD information I received in Ecto and by e-mail! Hard to believe, but I don't own a single record from that label. But I want to give "Dead Can Dance" and "Cocteau Twins" a try as soon as my wallet has recovered. The Fuzzy Blue One wrote: > Welcome back! I just got on to post and there you were. Ok, go ahead and > destroy my illusions! :-) btw, what's Claudia's e-mail address? Post it > in Ecto and we'll deluge her with a bunch of "Welcome to America!" messages, > right everybody? A "Welcome back!" after 4 days off the net? Maybe I shouldn't post puzzles before I disappear. Hmm, maybe I should. :) While I am talking about being off the net: next monday & tuesday our gateway machine will be down, so don't be surprised if everything for me bounces back! No need to write her address. I've written her how to get on Ecto today, so she might join us in a couple of days. ... and ... > Ask Martin what "Fuzzy Blue" means. He called Ecto the "fuzzy blue mailing > list" and I stole it from him. I haven't the faintest myself. Ooooh, you are that giddy, to use "fuzzy blue" without knowing what it is? Come on Martin, tell her (and us) what a "fuzzy blue Vickie" is. Greg & Laura pointed out G> indeed, it should be familiar to any european... who regularly hits G> themselves over the head with a brick! the only experience i have had L> Klaus, I wouldn't buy this. I've found that German drivers L> follow the rules of the road. If you assume Bostonians will do the L> same, you may have an accident! Simply put - expect the unexpected, L> no matter how harebrained! OK, I understand, the book where I read this was wrong. Claudia just told me the same on the phone. And I thought Vickie was joking about the red lights. Vickie about filking > system. Huh? I thought that was what SF was all about! Well, it kind of > pissed me off, so I stayed away from the filksinging areas. You won't find me there either. ... and ... > of his work. I haven't read any female sf writers other than Mary Shelley > and Ursula K. Le Guin. Shame on me, I know. I wish I'd been more familiar My recommendation: Patricia McKillip "Fool's Run" A book about music and visions. The strange thing is that Pat is known as an excellent fantasy writer (got a world fantasy award), and this is her only work of science fiction. But although I've read a lot of science fiction this book is my favourite. Jeff asked: > e) Klaus: so have you picked any favorites on "Bound By the Beauty"? Not yet, although the title track and the dog-song spring to my mind at first. I need some more listens. _________________________________________________________ . * | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | _ . * .* . | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | (_) . . | --- Happy Rhodes --- | . . o | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge kkluge@Materna.DE | <== ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: SF and authors. Date: Thu, 07 Nov 91 12:53:57 EST Hi ectophiles, To sf-lovers in general. What is filk-singing? Pardon my ignorance on the subject, but I am a sf-lurker (a la gaffa-lurker). I enjoy reading sf and watching good sf movies, but my favorite authors are not sf authors. (in case you were wondering they are: John Irving, Robertson Davies, Milan Kundera, dare I say Stephen King, and some greek guys you wouldn't have heard of, or at least not til I translate their works to English :-)) Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 91 15:35:30 -0600 From: foster@magnum.convex.com (Harry Foster) Subject: Foreign Tongues and Inquiring Minds HELLO EARTH ... hello earth I've got a question. Are we thoroughly convinced that the background vocals on Terra Incognita are in Latin ? If not, I would like to propose the possibility that it's Japanese. Recall, the work 'hai' pronounced 'high' means yes in Japanese. Of course, I learned my Japanese by reading Shogun. Hence, I'm thoroughly qualified to make this claim. :) :) :) However, this would fit in with the discussion about the little oriental man. If I get a chance this evening, I'll drop by the library and try to find a Japanese Dictionary and/or Latin Dictionary. Does anyone here speak Latin, Japanese, or any other foreign tongues ? Didawanna hai, hai, hai, hai ... sagaminidoo ? Inquiring minds want to know. :) Harry ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 91 17:43:10 EST From: jessica Subject: Re: SF and authors. Angelos dares to say Stephen King in his list of favorite authors.. I'm often wary of liking things that are "popular", but I'd never not give something a chance because of it's popularity. A while back, Hmmm i tihnk when "Cujo" came out as a movie, but probably before that.. I can check when i get home but i don't tihnk it's too important - I tihnk it was approximately 1982.. I started reading some Stephen King books, Christine, Cujo, The Shining - were some of the first. I liked them a lot, but wouldn't have said he was one of my favorite authors. Since then, i've read everything he's written (that i'm aware of, except for "Danse Macabre" which i didn't like the beginning of and didn't finish) and he's by far my favorite author. For sf fans, I'd very very VERY VERY highly recommend "The Gunslinger", "The Drawing of the Three", and "The Waste Lands" (the first three so far of a series called "The Dark Tower".) They, along with "The Stand" are my favorite books of all time. He's popular and known for his "Horror" stories, but I'd say the *main* part of his stories is the story-telling, the characterizations, the *people* and why they do things is most important. Some of his stories *are* horrific, true :) but a good number aren't ("The Eyes of the Dragon" is sort of a kid's story perhaps, but it's also a favorite and has nothing to do with horror). Anyway, I just had to say something. (having just finished "The Waste Lands" (thanks to fellow ectophile Greg Bossert :) who gave it to me for my b-day last week :) and waiting *very* impatiently for the next book......!) Happy news coming in the next post. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 91 17:50:08 EST From: jessica Subject: Re: Foreign Tongues and Inquiring Minds Heh! actually I thought we'd determined that they weren't in any language at all (the title of the song, "terra incognita" is the latin bit :) But who knows! Maybe "boomdidiwanahigh-high-high-high-sagaminitoo" does mean something in some language!? jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Subject: aiiieeee! Date: Thu, 07 Nov 91 17:59:57 EST From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu THE DARK TOWER III IS OUT?????? Damn! Why don't I ever know about these things? I assume it's a limited edition (especially since _Needful Things_ was just released)...was it published by Donald Grant (who did _The Drawing of the 3_)? I, too, am a massive Stephen King fan; I've been addicted since, um...oh, probably around the time Jessica did...roughly '82. I own almost all of his books and a number of rather cool collectibles: a) _Drawing of the Three_ hard-cover...the original limited edition (but not numbered) hardcover published by Donald Grant in '87 (3 years before it saw wide release) At the time, I tried reading it and couldn't understand anything--I gave up after the 3rd page. I eventually read it a several months before _The Gunslinger_ was released in trade paperback b) _The Talisman_...limited edition two volume illustrated set with slip- case (Donald Grant again). The illustrations were done by a number of fantasy/sf/comic-book artists and the end pages (GORGEOUS!) were drawn by Thomas Canty. Superb. c) _Cycle of the Werewolf_...hardcover published by...um...Lands of Enchantment. This is a huge book, and it's kind of like seeing the CD Box Set booklet versus the viny Box Set booklet...;-) d)...my prized possession...I own one of the original pieces of artwork from _Cycle of the Werewolf_...a pen-and-ink drawing by Berni Wrightson. It's the small pic that appears at the very end of June--the sugar shaker lying on its side on the floor. It's neat seeing it in a copy of the book and knowing that i have the original! Kind of like Happy loaning you negatives of some of her pics so you can make copies. So how many other Stephen King fans are there on Ecto? Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 91 18:42:34 EST From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: stephen king collectibles. jeff i am *so* jealous!!! Heh. It's almost a funny story. I was in boston two weekends or so ago visiting Greg (and making my tape to send to Happy). Somehow the subject of Stephen King came up and i explained how much I love The Dark Tower and how miserable i've been since "The Drawing of the Three" and how i figured there would *never* be another one of the series released. So i moaned about it a bit and greg made fun of me i'm sure :) So we finish breakfast and go into town to go to record stores and book stores, and there is "The Waste Lands". I felt *extremely* silly and *extremely* happy!!!!!!! I just read "Cycle of the Warewolf" two nights ago of all things. I found it the same day as "The Waste Lands" and hadn't read it yet (let alone *heard* of it!!?!?). I'd *love* to see a hard cover of it. It's as much pictures as it is text.. and the pictures are great. Neat neat neat about having one of the original drawings!!!! Anyway, at the store where i found "needful things", (which i bought too), "cycle of the warewolf", and "the waste lands", they had one of the original limited edition hardcovers of "The Drawing of the Three" (I can't remember if it was numbered or not, Greg, do you remember?). He wanted $70 which is probably not unfair, but i don't have. :( Hmm, next time I'm in MD i might have to come by and take a look at your collection. Ok, my happy stuff will be in my next message, really! jessica ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 91 19:02:19 EST From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Happy stuff :) Well, most of you know that Happy will be touring soon, and was needing a backup singer. I do sing (a bit), so I decided to try out. I went to greg's, and we made a tape of just my voice. I did these songs: (in this order :) To France (Mike Oldfield) Wuthering Heights (KB) Under and Over the Brink (Happy) Moving (KB) Saxophone Song (verse 1) (KB) Don't Want to Hear It (Happy) Kashka from Baghdad (KB) I sent the tape two weeks ago.. and yesterday Happy called me. She says they've chosen another girl (kelly something, i tihnk..) but that she loved my voice (!!!!) and that they didn't think there's anything kelly can do that I can't, but that she has better control. (which makes a lot of sense and does not come unexpected :) We talked for a while - she says honestly she tihnks my voice is very nice and she hopes i'll do some more with it (I told her i 100% plan to, with greg! and she wants me to let her hear the stuff i do :). She said she and kevin were both very impressed and a bit amazed that I made a tape of just my voice, she said it really must have taken a lot of guts. Which I guess it did, I have to admit it was pretty hard at first. But by the end of it, I was really enjoying it and very much want to do more. I talked about ecto the zine a little bit - I mentioned my idea for the logo, and that i'm having trouble realizing it, and that someone had suggested i ask *happy*, which I thought was a very reasonable idea and couldn't hurt, so.. I explained that I liked the idea of tkaing the ghostly figure form the cover of "ecto" and putting it into the word "Ecto" somehow. She said "Oh! Actually I'm currently working on the covers for the CD issues of the first IV (YEP!!!!!! COOL BEANS!!) and what i'm doing for them is very similar, so it'd be no trouble at all!". She described what she's got for 1 and 2 so far - they are both on a plain white background. 1 has a large number 1 on it, with the monster from Volume 1 inside it. Volume 2 has a 2, with _two_ monsters in it (one of thme is the monster from V. 2). So anyway, she's going to do an Ecto-monster-Ecto-logo for us! In the meantime i'll just use a text one, but it'll be neat :) Well I guess that's the most of it. I won't get to sing with her :( (this time anyway :) I'm gonna be *much* better by the time the next tour happens (Heh, i'm pretty sure there'll be another after the next album comes out, don't you tihnk?) and perhaps i'll be able to try again then. In the meantime, the good thing of it is that it means i have the time to do some work with Greg, which i'm very much looking forward to. (We'll actually have some ecto-band stuff going more quickly now!!!! yay!) jessica ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Stuff (is this a Vickie?) Date: Thu, 07 Nov 91 21:21:27 EST Hi, I just got home and found the latest RS in the mail. Then it hit me. What if all ecto-philes send in a ballot and vote for Happy. Could this trigger enough interest from RS to actually review Warpaint? I will definitely submit mine and see what happens. (probably nothing) A band managed to get some attention by winning the award for best new band from the Boston Phoenix poll, by an organized ballot mailing scheme, so why not Happy?? BTW, I just got KaTe's NFE on CD (I have the album home). It even has lyrics included (unlike TD and HoL) !! But I am listening to Ommadawn, right now! I also checked out the brand new HMV superstore in Harvard Square. What a ripoff! Prices were way above Newbury COmics, and just like Tower in Harvard Sq. they had mass quantities but no real ard to find stuff. OH, they did have a Japanese TWW box set for $183.99!!! But Newbury Comics had the Cocteau Twins box set for $59.99 (I almost bought it but realized I didn;t know what was in it). I am seriously thinking of walking in with my warpaint CD, and claim I got it as a gift and I want to buy a copy for a gift, and can;t find it anywhere. Maybe then they'll stock it! :-) I'm also glad to not be the only Stephen King fan I know! My fave is definitely 'IT' and 'The Talisman' (throw in 'The shining'). Actually I also liked Clive Barker's 'The great and secret show', but I guess that's part of a trilogy right? I think I just wrote my first 'Vickie' :-) Angelos --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tantalize poets with visions of grandeur, their faces turn blue with the reek of the compost, as the living try hard to retain what the dead lost, with double dead sickness from writing at what cost and business and business and reverse and reverse and set the brain reeling the inverse and perverse.... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 91 21:23:00 -0600 From: foster@magnum.convex.com (Harry Foster) Subject: IT'S JAPANESE! IT'S JAPANESE! It's amazing, I went and looked up the following phrase in my Japanese dictionary and found the following translation: JAPANESE: ======== Didawanna hai, hai, hai, hai ... sagaminidoo ? TRANSLATION: =========== "..."Warpaint" ist zweiffelos ein die Phantasie anregendes Album, das die Zuhoerer zu ungeahnter Kreativitaet bei der Erstellung von Zitaten fuehren kann..." Damn, I can't be serious about anything! I can't help it, I'm in love and entering that state of hysterical rapture ... -- Harry Foster foster@convex.com "A man should be greater than some of his parts." -Peter DeVries ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 91 23:29:16 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Re: stephen king collectibles. Jeff asks: > So how many other Stephen King fans are there on Ecto? heh, blame it on our wonderous founder -- jessica has me hooked. i admit to some initial reluctance; like jessica says: > I'm often wary of liking things that are "popular" and Mr. King is *very* popular! BUT jessica made me read "the gunslinger"... and i was hooked. ;-} BTW, note that the trade paperback illustrated version of "The Waste Land" is due in a few weeks. boston area types should check out Pandemonium Books in harvard square... not only do they have oddities like the limited edition hardcover of "The Drawing of the Three", they seem to know a lot about these books... (jessica -- i don't think the hardcover was numbered or signed, but i can't really remember -- i wasn't a fan yet... ;) jessica goes on to say: > So i moaned about it a bit and greg made fun of me i'm sure :) never! ;) waiting for the real Happy news, i remain: footahingly yours, -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "this is where i want to be but i know that this will never be mine" -- KTB ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 91 23:34:48 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Re: IT'S JAPANESE! IT'S JAPANESE! hah hah hah hah hah! ;-} -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "Didawanna hai, hai" (come on, everybody say it!) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 7 Nov 91 17:51:54 EST From: Caoineag Subject: lyrics i finally laser printed the lyrics out - i was lazier than lazy before, and this made everything much easier.....i can finally finish my impressions - even though they are way old :) Martin (full name exluded :) ) the monster is in the mail! kIrI hargieka@clutx.clarkson.edu ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! 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