6-Nov-91 18:46:06-GMT,16143;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17988; Wed, 6 Nov 91 13:16:30 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10940; Wed, 6 Nov 91 13:16:26 EST Date: Wed, 6 Nov 91 13:16:26 EST Message-Id: <9111061816.AA10940@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #25 ecto, Number 25 Wednesday, 6 November 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Sf et.al Oh boy... for Steve Fagg Jane Another "Vickie/Klaus" ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Nov 91 01:43:44 EST From: justin@bond.crim.ca (Justin Bur) Subject: Re: Sf et.al I saw a film this evening - a Belgian film called Toto le heros (Toto the hero). It seems quite popular in Montreal now, and maybe it'll turn up elsewhere, even though it's in French. It's about an old man called Thomas who is confined to some sort of unpleasant institution. He spends his time thinking about his life, and how ever since childhood he has wanted to change places with his next-door neighbor Albert. Most of the film is flashbacks to his childhood and earlier adult life - in turn joyous, funny, grave, excruciatingly painful. Thomas sees himself always frustrated by Albert, and dreams of being a heroic secret agent (Toto) charged with eliminating his rival. And yet... it is almost always Thomas who comes out ahead, but he doesn't have the self-confidence to realize it, and ends up ruining his own happiness. Finally he escapes from his institution, taking on the role of his secret-agent fantasy, even in old age resolved to kill the man he considers to have stolen his life. One last time, Thomas and Albert get in each other's way. It's as if they were both issued the same script, as if both were trying to write a story in the same book... I was hoping to get my mind off an overdue essay for a couple of hours, but now it's become filled with the images of Thomas's life and the despair of the times when everything went wrong. Monsters and anxieties. justin (note to kIrI - I won't be in Montreal this Friday! see e-mail.) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 23:17:10 PST From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Oh boy... Not only did Cynthia respond to your response to my response to Richard, but . . . When I saw the long sender address in the header, I for some reason thought it was Richard Caldwell writing the message. So I wrote a reply thinking that I was responding to Richard. Only after I had irretrievably sent the message did I discover that Cynthia had written the message. I sent a prompt correction/apology after it, but now I'm not at all looking forward to the responses to _my_ message. I'm hoping that Ecto will remain a relatively peaceful mailing list, although I suspect that once enough people show up we could end up having a few flame wars of our own. I hope it doesn't happen any time soon. Perhaps we can even hope that only thoroughly nice people will become Happy fans and want to join the list. Horrible thought: What if Cynthia Rosas wanted to join Ecto? I was getting that tingly feeling listening to "Phobos" this evening. ======================================================================== Subject: for Steve Fagg Date: Wed, 06 Nov 91 10:33:26 N From: Klaus Kluge This is an e-mail message for Steve Fagg. Because of technical problems my direct messages to him seem to get lost. Please excuse that I am using the mailing list! Thank you. --- Hi Steve! I had a look for e-mail messages I had written to you. They are: 13-09-91 Subject: here it is 16-09-91 Subject: Ecto Sig, again The first one bounced because I misspelled your name, and shortly after that I read a message from you in ecto which made resending it unneccesary. Did you get the 2nd one? It was about your offer collecting european tapes for the Ecto SiG project and sending them as a bulk. Please let me know that you have received THIS message. If I don't get a reply I will try contacting you over the mailing list, but in that case you can't read this note. Cheers, Klaus. --- Hi again, I've send the above message on 25-10-91 (Subject: Re: bouncing mail), and as I didn't get a response it must have had the same problem. I've told our postmaster about the theory of your postmaster, but he has never heard of something similar. He is asking if he could get a copy of the error report from your system. Please let me know if this is possible. Klaus. _____ Klaus Kluge --- kkluge@Materna.DE --- I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Nov 91 02:38:43 EST From: Caoineag Subject: Jane Sorry about that empty post...our file system here exploded and well Clutx has been going a little crazy here lately. Now if i can write this without interruption from the mouse that keeps popping it's beady black eyes from behind my cd rack... Klaus:::: Hope you enjoy Bound by the Beauty. My favi songs on the album are Bound by the Beauty (my theme song being an ecotoxicologist weenie), and Hockey ( which i think is a totally orgasmic song ) much in the same vein as such songs as The Perfect Irony and Oh the Drears (Happy), Ornaments of Gold (Siouxsie et.al), I Want Tomorrow and To Go Beyond (Enya), Handsome Cabin Boy and Get Out of My House (Kate), Co ni mire rium? (Mouth Music), and Eirigh is cuir ort do chuid eadaigh coiriu (Clannad) - just to mention a few of my favorite be just plain happy, and bounce up and down to songs :) Actually those songs are just a few of the songs that i classify as Extraordinarily Powerful, another is Shadow (Primitives). These songs all have some sort of weird power - maybe magic to me (Vickie definition of musical magic). Well as usual ive spouted off...does anybody else have these type of power songs?? kIrI in ecto after finding another Split Enz fanatic - yippie - so i was raised on them gimme a break hehehehe ------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 3 Nov 91 20:44 GMT From: Courtney Cat has anyone noticed that there are only 6 active females on ECTO... makes you wonder about the Sociology of Females who like Female Vocalists.. weirdest place i have seen Kate mentioned... British Interrail system...(train depots)..they are currently advertising a Family Rail pass discount..they use Kates anme but not her real pix.. instead..we see this young girl doing a Kate move in a Kateish costume.. they talk about a young KAtherine Bush and her Mum and Dad...very neat!! i flirted with the Station Supervisor until he gave me two extras!!! he also told me about the time he MET Kate at this rather posh club.. seems he didnt say a word to her all night cuz he was so nervous... he said she was a REAL lady...but we already knew that didnt we?? So who is the first to meet Happy??in person??or has someone already received that honor??? phone was bad enough for me!!!! but she too is a real lady!!!! VIckie: wonderful letter!!! Michie Sis: arent we glad to have sis back!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!! Martin: keep them coming!!! Footah'ness: love your style...would ALSO love a remix!! merow!!! Wela i ti!! (Welsh for toodles)(havent i heard that before??) Court! (Official Spokesperson for Be Nice To Your Cat Day) (Chairman o'the Board for Committee on Recognizing "Cat" as an Official Lang.) MEROW! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Nov 91 08:23:17 MST From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Another "Vickie/Klaus" Greetings, Greg noted in reference to _Frankenstein_: > hmmm, Ms. Shelley is so credited, and a very fine novel it is. note that > the tradition of fantastic tales is as old as the art of storytelling... > [further excellent remarks deleted] I completely agree with your remarks. In retrospect, I left out a word. The usual credit for Mary Shelley is the first 'modern' sf novel (whatever that means). I hate best of lists, as my tastes are too broad (or too uncritical?). However, I decided to contribute a sampler from my list of favorite sf novels. Originally, I intended to limit myself to five, but somehow six slipped in: _The Lord of the Rings_ -- J R R Tolkien. Still the classic fantasy against which all else is compared. (A trilogy: _The Fellowship of the Ring_, _The Two Towers_, _The Return of the King_) David Brin's Uplift series (_Sundiver_, _Startide Rising_, _The Uplift War_ and more coming). A fun, frolicking romp through the universe, as humans and their allies do battle with some incredibly wonderfully over- drawn aliens. C J Cherryh -- Take your pick from this excellent author of 'hard' sf. My favorite is her Morgaine series (_Gate of Ivrel_, _Well of Shiuan_, _Fire of Azeroth_, _Exile's Gate_), though other people would point you to _Downbelow Station_ or _Cyteen_. _Windhaven_ -- George R R Martin and Lisa Tuttle. Excellent story of a woman's battle to keep her wings and what she does with them. _The Shore of Women_ -- Pamela Sargent. A picture of a society in which women have tossed the men out into the wilderness, which allows Sargent to explore the relationship between the sexes. A very well-written, incredibly well-plotted, and fantastically fully-fleshed characters, and she makes her point without getting on a soapbox. Terry Prachett -- a rare purveyor of humor in sf. (Why do the British have a monopoly on this?) Practically any of his books are worth it, so why not start at the beginning with _The Colour of Magic_. Unfortunately, several authors aren't in this list because their strength is the short story. Any collection of such written by Connie Willis, Harlan Ellison, or Zenna Henderson are highly recommended. Vickie noted 'filk music' in her latest "Vickie/Klaus". Don't worry about the filk singers. sf conventioneers are a creature apart from sf readers, in general. Some people even question, whether they ever read sf, given all the time they spend convention-hopping. Harlan Ellison wrote in _Asimov's_ a scathing (well, most of his opinion pieces are scathing) attack on the type of 'fans' who attend sf conventions. Since Vickie's been to at least one convention more than I have, I'll leave it at that. However, filk singers and their fans seem to take fandom even a step farther. Filk singing is a way for sf fan insiders to enjoy inside sf fan jokes. Quality music is not one of its goals, just fun. (imho, though I've gotten this impression from several different sources). Vickie asked (of Martin really): > Is filksinging ever discussed in [rec.arts.sf-lovers]? Maybe this would be > a good (though controversial) way to get Happy's name out to other sf lovers. I can't remember any specific articles about filk-singing, though there must have been one or two in the months I've been reading it. Given my impression of filk-singing just given I wouldn't want to associate Happy with it in any shape, form, or fashion. It would give completely the wrong impression to people. As I mentioned in my original post, (serious) music and sf just don't overlap much. Michael Moorcock is the only person I know whose made a mark in both 'popular' music and sf. Why this is I have no idea, though it may be that sf has always been considered a literary 'ghetto' by outsiders and eventually by insiders. The inquistive Vickie further asked: > You mentioned a 25-page tome on sf in music. Who puts together that list, > and how can we get Happy listed? (Did I really use the word 'tome'? (Let's check: No. Thank God, my writing gets too pretentious sometimes as it is!)) I have always intended to try to get Happy listed, but I wanted to get the monstrosity that started this thread posted first and see its response. I'll put together an e-mail note for the list compiler, and try to post it in the next day or three, solicit comments from you all, then send it off. I have no idea how he'll react to an unsigned artist, and he'll edit the result to taste, but this is definitely worth a try! Jeffy noted: > I posted something about Genesis' "Keep It Dark" in my response to the > original SF post. Someone (Doug?) replied that they didn't think that that > song had been the inspiration for "One Alien." I agree, and I don't think > I stated in my original post that I thought "One Alien" was directly > inspired by "Keep It Dark." My mistake. My apologies. Jeffy commented: > I'm not sure I understand why you listed "Baby Don't Go" in your section > on beings. I interpret this song as ... Vickie commented: > though I have slight disagreements about certain songs you picked as examples > ("Rhodes Waltz" "Friend You'll Be" ???) Steve commented: > For example, "Lay Me Down" is a song about ... Well, five songs gone. Are there any songs left on my original list? :-) :-) kIrI chimed in: > I never really saw Happy's songs in the science fiction realm although now i > definitely do see it, however, I did see little things that reminded me of > pseudo sF/more fantasy/novels. I agree 100%, which is why I tried to use 'sf' instead of 'science fiction'. Finally, welcome to Kent, Alan, and whoever else has recently joined Ecto: The Explosively Growing Mailing List! Vickie closed: > ps, obHAP...she's so wonderful! She really is!! Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! Up on the watershed, standing at the fork in the road You can stand there and agonize Till you agony's your heaviest load You'll never fly as the crow flies, get used to a country mile When you're learning to face the path at your pace Every choice is worth your while. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 6 Nov 91 18:06 GMT From: The Cat's Meow!!! "The Walking and Constantly" GOD miss my sound system back home.. havent heard really good sound since i left and came here to UK... merow! ANyone hear the new Enya release???"lush"!!!!!(as the Cardiffians say around hwre!" Kiri sis: a MOUSE?? a real one???? WOW!! wish *I* was lucky enouigh to have a pet mouse...even my snake didnt like me!!*sigh* good news though!! my friend who i loaned my Hapy tapes (copies) to before i came over here is sending them back to me so i can listen to them@@@ i have borrowed a tape player from my next door enoghbor (neighbor) and can now listen to tapes!! YEAH!! good thing since my CD player pooped on me! well..back to Missing Jane and Kate and Happy Hell...*sigh* merow! Court the STILL Congested Cat!!!*christ! what a drag!!!* ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! 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