6-Nov-91 17:17:30-GMT,20468;000000000601 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA09598; Wed, 6 Nov 91 12:17:04 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA09773; Wed, 6 Nov 91 12:17:00 EST Date: Wed, 6 Nov 91 12:17:00 EST From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9111061717.AA09773@athos.rutgers.edu> To: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #24 ecto, Number 24 Tuesday, 5 November 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Another welcome Re: The Stunt Man Oh boy... Vickie does a "Klaus" :-) (re-post) Sf et.al a few things ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 16:34:36 EST From: jessica Subject: Another welcome Welcome to Alan Sodoma! ecto now has 63 members! Still growing! Still Thriving!!! I tihnk I'm just going to have to say *something* abnout it on gaffa. :) i'm proud of us :) (And *not* surprised, I had faith in the list from the beginning, why else would i have started it!) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== From: Daniel Segel Subject: Re: The Stunt Man Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 11:45:24 PST i'M ANOTHER (whoops, Caps lock still down...) who has seen The Stunt Man, although it was a long time ago at a campus screening at UC Davis. I do remember liking the film, but like Laura I don't think I would list it on my list of top ten (or twenty) films. maybe that's just because I don't remember it well. Next time I get a chance I'll rent the film and re-evaluate it. I find that I can get a lot out of following the musical suggestions of those on Ecto, so maybe my cinema horizons can also be expanded, uh, similarly. (Thusly? in the same way? Well, you know what I mean.) BTW, one more band to give a listen to from the 4AD camp is (Clan of) Xymox, now known simply as Xymox. Some of their earlier works (the self titled "Clan of Xymox" and "A Day") are respectable enough in parts to be worth a listen or three.... No Happy content this time, but I don't think she'd mind :) :) So Long.... Daniel A. Segel daniels@xstor.com (included in case my .sig doesn't appear...) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 15:58 CST From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Oh boy... I really hope my "Vickie does a Klaus" post doesn't appear twice, because that means it would show up in the digest twice. Sorry in advance if that actually happens. Court, I forgot to add a thanks to you for offering to pick up The Complete Kate for me. That's so nice of you. Perhaps another Ectophile might be interested in a copy. Uck! Steve, looks like you and me both were on the receiving end of yet another Cynthia Rosas post. I give up. Someone said to me (no names) recently that "I feel very distant from gaffa now" and I do too. I'll probably post there every now and then, but Ecto's my home base now. It's not that I can't stand flames, it's just that I'm tired of them. I want...I need...friendliness, and Ecto is the place I can get that. On a full-time basis. Thank goddess! Doug, we lucked out in Chicago. That storm passed us right on by. It got very cold, and there were a few flurries, but not any accumulation. Poor Minneapolis got snowed in royally! Any Ectophiles from there? Maybe the next one will at least cover all these bare trees (my favorite sight in the winter) if nothing else. Martin, did I get Katie's birthday right? Or is Australia *behind* us a day? If the second, then Happy Birthday Katie! again! Let's all wish Katie good luck on her upcoming exams! Go Katie!!! Vickie ps, obHAP...she's so wonderful! ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 15:39 CST From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Vickie does a "Klaus" :-) (re-post) Sorry if this appears twice. I posted it at the same time as my Hi Klaus and Fuzzy Black posts, and they appeared, but not this one. I'll try again... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Vickie here. "Vickie" here. :-) Welcome to Ecto, Kent Wooldridge! Good to have you. Please feel free to post your Happy story, if you feel like it. Are you a gaffa lurker? Geoff, you're on the Birthday list now. What year were you born? Klaus will give me the day and I'll tell you what it is. Laura, thanks for the account about Happy's signing your cousin's tapes. Let us know what her reaction is! Jeanne, Martin and Vishal, I've read very little poetry and I don't ever feel qualified to talk about it, but I appreciate what you've posted. Vishal, you're welcome! Glad you like Yma (and the Yma/Lene segue). David Lubkin, you're a Friday person, along with: 04.02.1966 Fri Stephen Thomas 13.03.1970 Fri kIrI Hargie 10.04.1953 Fri Art Liestman 22.04.1966 Fri Angelos Kyrlidis 09.07.1971 Fri Courtney Dallas 21.11.1952 Fri Kevin Bartlett 27.11.1964 Fri Justin Bur 29.07.1966 Fri Mark Carroll 20.06.1958 Fri David Lubkin Doug writes: >> October has ended, putting another month of Ecto: the Mailing List into my >> files. I save each month of posts in a single file, and October's takes >> up 770KB, compared with 287KB in September. Who was it who claimed that >> this list would die out quickly? Give them the prediction of the year >> award! HA! I looked through my Gaffa Happytalk files last night and found a bunch. Here's one: > 2) The Happy traffic as it stands is _not_ enough for it's own list, > IMOSVHO. The traffic should slope down to a normal level for musical > artists in love-hounds/gaffa. It has already. > I think if the discussion is dropped there won't be any more fur being > rubbed the wrong way. The Happy discussion should equalize. Can anyone > honestly say that the Happy traffic in the future will be in enough bulk > to justify a mailing list? From what I can tell... > UnHappy UnMusical, myself. Made no sense then, makes even less sense now that the above has been proven totally false. Ecto (for me) has become much more than a "Happy Rhodes mailing list" and I view it in a very special way. It's a refuge, it's a comfort, it's a bond with you people that will last the rest of my life, and much much more. If that's a "silly" way to look at a "mere" mailing list, then so be it. I didn't make my Sign *Giddy* for nothing! :-) I'm giddy with Happyness that you all have discovered her too, and are writing such wonderful articles to Ecto. Stephen, I haven't talked to Happy in well over a week (I called a couple of times and got the answering machine) but when I connect, I'll pass along your extremely fascinating post (thank you for it) and see what Happy says. Ditto the San Franciso deal and Doug's wonderful Happy/SF article. Speaking of....YOW! That was great Doug! I can't wait to read it to Happy. We had a bit of a talk about the SF in her work a couple of months ago. Nothing as in-depth though, the topic we were discussing was "filk-singing" which I'd never heard of until I attended the World Science Fiction Convention (ChiconV) here in the windy city. Once I had the concept down, I started talking about it to other people who were there. The "official" definition listed in the Program Book is "a musical genre with a science fiction and fantasy bent" and immediately I thought of Happy! But when I discussed "filking" with people at the convention, I was told that, no, what you do is take a well-known song's music, then add original lyrics that have a sf/fantasy/horror theme. But...but...but...what about original songs? No, that's not what filking is all about, I was told. One guy said that he agreed with me, that there should be no reason why original songs can't be considered "filk songs" but that it was impossible to buck the system. Huh? I thought that was what SF was all about! Well, it kind of pissed me off, so I stayed away from the filksinging areas. Martin, you mentioned dropping a Happy thread into rec.arts.sf-lovers. Is filksinging ever discussed in there? Maybe this would be a good (though controversial) way to get Happy's name out to other sf lovers. :-) Doug, you could re-edit your article (which, Jessicaaaaa, should be in the next issue of the zine) to post there once the thread gets started. Doug, you mentioned a 25-page tome on sf in music. Who puts together that list, and how can we get Happy listed? Chris is the real sf-lover in the family, he's been reading it since he was a young lad, but he's not really into Happy. :-( I've read (and loved) quite a bit of sf through the years, but my literary tastes tend to run toward (auto)biographies and non-fiction. My favorite sf book is still a collection of short stories by Cordwainer Smith. I haven't read it in years (I lent it out and never got it back. Then we moved :-( ) and I can't remember the title of the very first story, which goes along with the discussion of the "working Joe" in space. Anyone know? All kinds of titles from the book (which all tie together) come to mind, but not that one. Others include "Golden the Ship Was. Oh! Oh! Oh!" and "The Ballad of Lost C'Mell" and "Mother Hitton's Littul Kittens" (not sure about that one, the spelling was weird in the original story), do those ring a bell with anyone who might have that collection of short stories? Other sf books I especially liked include _Rendevous With Rama_, _The Mote In God's Eye_, Mike Weaver's books and the _Riverworld_ series by Phillip Jose Farmer. Two that I loved as a kid are _A Fall of Moondust_ and _The Door Into Summer_. I almost always enjoy Harlan Ellison, but I haven't read very much of his work. I haven't read any female sf writers other than Mary Shelley and Ursula K. Le Guin. Shame on me, I know. I wish I'd been more familiar with sf at ChiconV. If I'd had the money, I probably could have spent tons on books in the dealer's room. My favorite film of all time is _Brazil_ but I don't think I've ever even seen _Forbidden Planet_. Doug, though I have slight disagreements about certain songs you picked as examples ("Rhodes Waltz" "Friend You'll Be" ???) it was an *outstanding* article and you should be very proud of it. GoodGoodGood!!!! Oh yeah, before I forget, you said: > * I once posted in public (on .gaffa) that Happy's synthesizer arrangements > were simple and old-hat. Can anyone dig through the .gaffa archives and > edit that statement out. The author should be publicly flogged! No need for that, this is what you said: > I just can't see how the bright light of Happy Rhodes' talent has > stayed hidden under a bushel over the last five years. Her voice is just > gorgeous, her singing expressive and of high quality. The musical > background of guitar or synthesizers are straightforward, allowing her > voice to occupy center stage. See, now that wasn't so bad, was it? I loved your article so much I put it (at the time) into a separate file along with Kiri, Jeff Abbott, Lee Houndshell, Albert Philipsen, Tom Johnson, Jessica and other's original posts. The file is separate from all the other Happytalk on gaffa and I call it "First Reactions." I had all those posts _memorized_! Seriously! btw, I fully agree with you about "INAINA" in that it's a song that will creep up on you and reveal itself only after multiple plays. Well, that's the way most of Happy's music is. Kate, Jane, Peter Gabriel, all the very best music does that. It's a wonderful thing! Geoff, thanks for your post, You mentioned recent purchases: > bel canto (the first one-whose name has escaped me) _White-Out Conditions_, my favorite by them. Woj and Brian like the second one better. > blackgirls "procedure" (whats the new one like?) The second (_Happy_) is GREAT! You will like it, trust me. > dead can dance "the serpent's egg" > gabriel, peter "passion" > innocence mission > mouth music > this mortal coil Ya! Ya! Ya! Good deal! I haven't heard the other ones on your list yet. > and of course > rhodes, happy "warpaint" Welcome to Ecto Geoff! > I haven't got her tapes yet but plan to give a friend of mine the > complete collection for Christmas. Do you think Happy would autograph > it if I asked? Absolutely! Uh, you are going to get yourself copies right? :-) These _will_ be collector's items one (very fine) day. > it's nice to find a group with similar tastes, yet I am suprised at > the fact that it can extend so easily to other mediums. I remember when > the usual desert island question came up in gaffa vickie included films, > among which she included The Stunt Man, an all time favorite of mine > that many people have never heard of. COOL! You're right, very few people have ever heard of it. We own a copy of it and just love to show it to people who've never seen it. Has anyone else on Ecto seen this film? I think that's it for now, though I'll think of things after this is posted, I know it. Ayll be beck! Once more, welcome Kent! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 5 Nov 91 18:02:33 EST From: Caoineag Subject: Sf et.al Along the SF vein, I never really saw Happy's songs in the science fiction realm although now i definitely do see it, however, I did see little things that reminded me of pseudo sF/more fantasy/novels. There are several songs that remind me of Anne Rice books esp. The Witching Hour, and the Vampire books. I think I posted about that in some of my initial reactions (seems like ages ago). :) I am a sf/fantasy person myself...though i dont have favorites i love authors such as Steven R. Donaldson, Anne McCaffery, Anne Rice (obviosly), the person that wrote the Integral Tree etc. etc. Im not too great at remembering names of authors unless they really stick in my head!! anyway..... to Justin (geez i hope that's your name see above :) )::: im going to Montreal again this friday!!! i wrote your number down somewhere but as usual misplaced it...I will be in Montreal all day on friday and can at least give you a buzz while im there. Maybe you can tell me all the good places to go - last week when we went everything was closed :( to Martin: if you want a copy of the psuedo-dragon thingy i drew i made small copies and can send out...im doing a big mailathon this week so blast me your address and i can whiz it out to you Well guess that is all i have to say - I had a fun show on Halloween. Started it out with Diamanda Galas - freaked people out...I actually had someone call up about it --- that is AMAZING :) Toots all - oh Miss Vickie Congrats on control! I was going to flame his little butt myself but he's just not worth it anymore.. i think i want to invent a directory called /posts/as*holes where i can just shove all those unwanted nasties and nuke them in a fiery inferno! :) kIrI hargieka@clutx.clarkson.edu I had a good German .sig but im not at home sooooo maybe next time! ======================================================================== Subject: a few things Date: Tue, 05 Nov 91 23:36:48 EST From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu a) I posted something about Genesis' "Keep It Dark" in my response to the original SF post. Someone (Doug?) replied that they didn't think that that song had been the inspiration for "One Alien." I agree, and I don't think I stated in my original post that I thought "One Alien" was directly inspired by "Keep It Dark." I was just pointing out the similarities and noting that Happy has probably heard the song. I've always thought more along the lines that "One Alien" was inspired by Kevin...;-) b) KiRi: in a list of sf/fanatasy authors, you mentioned "the person that wrote The Integral Tree." This was Larry Niven. He's written a bunch of interesting stuff, but I tend to prefer his collaborations with Jerry Pournelle and Steve Barnes. Vickie mentioned _The Mote in God's Eye_ which was one of the Niven/Pournelle books. Other great books by these two are _Lucifer's Hammer_ (incredible!), _Footfall_, um...heck, I know there are other's I've read! With Barnes, Niven wrote a couple of sf murder-mysteries that have to do with an ultra high-tech amusement park. The three of 'em cowrote _Legacy of Heorot_, an sf-horror kinda piece that made me squeamish... and there are very few books that do that to me. c) I just got Fish's new album, _Internal Exile: A Collection of Boys Own Stories_, which is superb. Points of possible interest to Ecto-types: 1) the album is available at all. I can't imagine that there aren't some Marillion fans out there, so this may be of interest just through sheer act of existence 2) the title track has 3 members of Capercaille playing on it. Only the one track has traditional instruments, but there are still lots of little bits of Celtic-ness. The final track, a cover of "Something in the Air" reminds me a bit of Sinead -- it's got beat-box percussion and a pretty great uillean pipe sample (possibly sampled from his first solo album?) 3) The second time I heard the song "Tongues," I was listening to a tape I'd already made in my car. I'm not sure if I forgot that I was listening to a tape, or if I just lost track of what tape I was listening to, but when the song started, I was certain for a few seconds that I was listening to Happy Rhodes. It took me a few minutes to figure out why I thought that and which HR song it was! Turns out it's "Warpaint." "WP" starts with percussion, to which bass and then guitar is added. The guitar at the beginning of "Tongues" sounds amazingly like the one in "Warpaint" (at least to *my* ears) d) Vickie: I know, I know...I've actually bought a tape for the Ecto SiG... I'm just waiting to get paid for the job I'm working right now so I can actually pay for postage to mail it to you! e) Klaus: so have you picked any favorites on "Bound By the Beauty"? I was a bit surprised when I bought the album (I owned and loved _No Borders Here_ already); it was different from what I expected and the countryish tone of some of the songs put me off at first. My favorite is probably "The Life is the Red Wagon" (whose video I was "lucky" enough to see--before I owned any of Jane's albums, so it didn't make as much of an impression on me as it might have). I also love the title track and "Half Angel, Half Eagle"--the way it keeps building in intensity is extraordinary! And Cleo just barked that if I don't put in a mention for "Everything Reminds Me of My Dog," she'll be forced to bite me. That's okay though, 'cause just about everything *does* remind me of my dog. Thank goodness *one* of the female artists I like so much is a dog person! ;-) f) Vickie: could you please change my 'sign' to "go fly a kite"? Oh well...guess that's all for now... Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! 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