Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1101 ecto, Number 1101 Monday, 2 May 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Gabrielle Stuff (Sinead, Sarah, M7x, etc,) literature majors Northern Calif. Songwriter Cambridge Ectofest and books Alt possession video Re: world cafe Re: Alt possession video Kristin Hersh style? Re: world cafe Heather Nova in Frankfurt UK Ecto Party May 7th 1994 Final Update Loreena McKennit Live _Happy Come Home_ -- Victoria Williams Music by the pound Re: Anonymous 4 Re: world cafe ======================================================================== From: Stuart Myerburg Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 19:36:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Gabrielle > And on to a related subject. What's the cast again? Tom Cruise as Lestat, > and ??? . Now that I know what the characters are like, I am curious. > Wait. Tom Cruise as LESTAT? :-) Well, the last I heard was: Interviewer (Daniel): Christian Slater (originally River Phoenix) Louis: Brad Pitt Armand: Antonio Banderas Santiago: Stephen Rea Miranda Richardson is involved, so I guess she'll be Madeleine. And, Claudia is being played by an unknown who is around 12-14. I was really concerned about Claudia. Given the Tom Cruise casting, I had horrible visions of them doing something like giving the part to Drew Barrymore. Stuart __________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu "There are a lot of hidden nerds. I'm aware of the exciting man in Trent The Nine Inch, but I can see the nerd in him, too." - Tori Amos __________________________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 29 Apr 94 23:27:39 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Stuff (Sinead, Sarah, M7x, etc,) OK, some of this is dated, but bear with me :-) Wendy E. writes: >I like Sinead O'Connor a lot but I must say her CD "Am I Not Your Girl? is >definitely *not* worth having. I was shocked and totally dismayed by it. Ah, come on. It's not that bad. I personally like it a lot, even though it doesn't even come close to the other two albums. Why were you shocked? You *did* know that it was an album of covers, didn't you? >...'and to the angel peter gabriel'... Thanks for posting that. I remembered the other bits, but I don't think I ever noticed that part.... Meth writes: >So we amused ourselves by chatting with Crystal, Sarah's good friend and >T-shirt et al. vendor, who remembered me and woj from the Hartford and New >York shows. :) Which reminds me. Could any SF ectophiles going to see Sarah on 5/24, please e-mail me about a T-shirt that I absolutely *must* get? I won't be able to make it, so I would appreciate it if someone could buy one for me. Vickie writes: >Something in her music had dramatically changed. I wasn't sure what it >was, but I knew that it didn't interest me as much. 'Point and Pull' didn't interest you? That's one of my favourite songs by Happy. Too bad it's not on any CD (yet?). >The strangest thing about all this is that I can now go back and listen to >the B/R demos and I actually like them. Ah, OK .. :-) ----- At this point I jumped and ran to my CD player which has been playing Moon Seven Times in the background, and 'My game' came on, which I really like. Hmm, hadn't noticed it the other time I played 7=49. Time to hit repeat. ----- Troy writes: >Well, to anyone planning on seeing Loreena McKennitt in SF, i suggest you >hurry 'cause I got two of the last six tickets yesterday. Ugh! I knew I should have bought tix earlier, since she is being played at KKSF (or so I read somewhere), and that would draw a crowd. I'll try tomorrow morning. The last (and first) time I saw her was at Nightstage in Cambridge, and it was an amazing experience. I was in Loreenamania for the next couple of months. Finally, woj says re: Stabbing Westward: >hmmm. i've only listened to this disc once but i was rather >unimpressed. it seems to have more metal aspects to it than a nin >comparison would indicate. i'll probably check it out once more before >selling it or something but i don't know if i'd recommend this even to >noizeheads. Are we talking about the same band? yes, they use guitars, but NIN use guitars too. The only 'metal' part, might come from the vocals, which for some reason remind me of Trent Reznor doing a Perry Farrell impersonation, but I still like them. And John Fryer's production adds to the whole picture and the last track of the album, is quite good as an industrial mood piece, IMHO. I found out about them from the CMJ April sampler/magazine, which I bought because it had tracks by Milla and Live, but I ended up liking the SW track better than anything else, so I grabbed it when I saw it on sale for $5 at Amoeba. And on that noisy note I'll go listen to the Prince B-sides CD for the first time... Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 00:23:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Marisa Wood Subject: literature majors Here's another one (or at least an ex-literature major)! I have both a BA and an MA in Spanish literature. Hasta luego, Marisa Wood mlwood@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: 30 Apr 94 05:49:27 EDT From: "Wendy E." <72064.3606@compuserve.com> Subject: Northern Calif. Songwriter For those ECTO folkies, There is a very special songwriter based in Northern California that I think is worthy of your attentions. Her name is Deborah Levoy and she happens to be on my top 10 list of fave recording artists. She has played at big festivals like the Kerrville Folk Festival and the High Sierra Music Festival, winning songwriting awards, and I know her second recording is in the works. To try and describe her is hard because she definitely has her own sound. Where have you heard that before? But here goes! Deborah Levoy is a cross between Suzanne Vega, Melissa Ethridge, Tracy Chapman, Shawn Colvin, and disappear fear. How's that?!? Not only is she a beautiful sight to behold, she sings with such a sweetness and depth that you can't help but get taken into her words that speak to everyone. She plays guitar and usually has very little accompaniment, sometimes a bass player, a guitar player and/or backing vocals. One of my favorite songs of hers is called "You Are All of These" from her Hungry City cd. Here is just a taste of what you will hear: You Are All Of These - by Deborah Levoy If you were a dance floor Of golden wood On a late, late night In an empty room I would take off both my shoes And slide and glide down the Length of you And I would fly I would fly If you were an ancient quilt The color of rose I'd wrap you 'round me And lay down in your folds And close my eyes And feel your warmth Everywhere And I would dream I would dream Chorus: And you are all You are all You are all of these to me If you were an oak tree So old and strong I would climb up In your limbs so long And I would play a simple song While you cradled me And I would sing I would sing If you were warm waters Of see through green I would dive down To your deepest reefs And find those treasures Buried underneath And they would shine for me And they would shine I would shine Chorus I thought some of you Northern/Central Californians may want to know that she will be appearing at a coffeehouse in Berkeley called The Tea Spot at 2072 San Pablo (@ University) on Saturday May 7th @ 8pm - $7/door. She will be joined by another songwriter called Jill Knight. Then the next Saturday, May 14th, she will be in the Santa Cruz area (where I am) at a coffeehouse called The White Raven at 6253 Hwy. 9 in Felton. Advance reservations are recommended for the Raven gig. Call (408) 335-3611. I will be attending both and hope some other Ecto folkies will be there as well. Now's the time to see her in a small intimate setting, before she gets picked up by a major. I will be wearing a silver string bass on my lapel (if you can imagine that!). Now for bye, Wendy E. from Santa Cruz ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 30 Apr 94 12:08:56 EST From: Ilka Heber Subject: Cambridge Ectofest and books Hi everybody! Wow! I just went through 10 digests - that's a lot of work!! = ) I'm so happy the the Ectofest seems to become such a big success!!! I'm very happy about seeing a lot of you guys again, and I'm just as happy to meet some new "email-friends" in person! Vickie asked about who comes to the party but does not go to the Convention. Well, that's true for Pete and me. We'll be heading to Sussex on Sunday, where Pete's family is living. One other question that doesn't really have much to do with ECTO *at all*! Is there anybody out there who could possible help me finding a couple of books that are out of print?? I tried to order them via a big book shop in New York, but they couldn't get them anymore. I thought maybe somebody is out there who's really into books and knows good places where I might get lucky. If this is true for you, please send me private email and I'll tell you exactly what I'm looking for. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeee, Ilka = ) ======================================================================== From: mklprc@aol.com Date: Sat, 30 Apr 94 11:54:59 EDT Subject: Alt possession video Quoting Suspended In Duct Tape on 02 Apr 1994 (02??) > >I've seen the "Possession" video a few times ... i'm afraid it misses > >the VERY erotic point of that song. She needs a new video director! > Yeah... herself. Have you seen the Canadian version? She directed it, > and imo it's vastly superior to the American version - it's got a woman- > as-power-figure concept, using Biblical images held together by the central > image of Sarah holding tightly onto a man who falls dead at her feet when > she lets him go. I didn't really understand this until last week until I > read the blurb about the video in the Fumbling Towards Ecstasy Tour Book. > Brilliant. So why are US viewers so underprivileged? Who decided to change it when there was a perfectly good Canadian video available to show (it can't be censorship on religious grounds; they show Madonna, after all!) And if the Canadian video was produced in protest of (and after) the US video, how come we don't get both? mp PS: Ecto digests 1089 through 1100 arrived tonight. Thank you, Jessica! It must be a huge amount of work to copy and combine all those messages (or did you write a daemon to do it for you?). ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: world cafe Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 13:57:07 -0400 (EDT) > Tuesday 5/3 In the studio with Ben Harper performing songs from > his debut, Welcome to the Cruel World. In hour > two Malford Milligan of the Austin, Texas band > Storyville performs songs from their debut, Bluest > Eyes Yes! Malford has an *amazing* voice, and he and Craig Ross from Storyville are very strong songwriters. (If memory serves, the other two members are the bass and druns folks formerly with Double Trouble (with Stevie Ray Vaughan) and the Arc Angel.) ======================================================================== From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: Re: Alt possession video Date: Sat, 30 Apr 1994 12:54:09 -0700 (PDT) > So why are US viewers so underprivileged? Who decided to change it when there > was a perfectly good Canadian video available to show (it can't be censorship > on religious grounds; they show Madonna, after all!) And if the Canadian > video was produced in protest of (and after) the US video, how come we don't > get both? The Canadian video was produced first. I don't know the politics and marketing decisions concerning the two versions, but it's likely that Arista, the American distributor for Nettwerk, didn't think that the video Sarah shot would sell enough albums. That seems to be generally the case; the two videos for Kate's Rubberband Girl (the simple, minimalist UK release and the effects-laden American version) being another case in point. Admittedly this is idle speculation on my part... :) As for the Canadian "Possession" video I saw a clip on MuchMusic (Canada's video station) in which everyone's favourite ageing VJ Terry David Mulligan interviewed Sarah on the set. It was sort of funny seeing Sarah slouching about in sweatpants on this distinctly unglamourous set, with naked and nearly naked extras standing about, a bit awkwardly. She was bubbling enthusiastically about incorporating Goddess imagery in her video from a book she'd recently read. I haven't seen the American video, but I have seen the other one. It seemed to me sort of interesting, but a bit of a disjointed flood of images, with little narrative flow connecting them. Admittedly it was a hell of a lot more creative than the usual standard "helicopter shot of guitarist on top of cliff" or "rapid-edit shot of formation dancers" cookie-cutter video, but I can also see why Sarah has expressed some dissatisfaction over the final result in interviews. Probably the recurring image of Ms McLachlan swaddled in white cotton like an Egyptian mummy, swinging like a pendulum from chains freaked out the American record execs. :) - Neil K. (who thinks "Steaming" is probably the grooviest McLachlan video, and the first one she directed) -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 14:45:14 +1000 From: Ross.Alford@jcu.edu.au (Ross Alford) Subject: Kristin Hersh style? There's been some discussion of Kristin Hersh in the last few ecto digests, which I'm still working my way through (thanks for getting them goign again, Jessica!). The ABC has been showing two videos of hers on Rage the last few weekends: A Loon, which I really like, and another one (can't recall the name) that I have a lukewarm reaction to. Before I go and buy her CD, I'd like to know whether the majority of her work is more in the style of A Loon (ie, unconventional, maybe some unusual instrumentation/themes/ vocals), or more conventional. Anyone have opinions? ADthanksVANCE, Ross ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 1 May 94 22:01:52 +1000 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: world cafe > I'm always amazed at how good this show is. > I wish some station in Chicago would pick it up. > > Wolrd Cafe for the week of May 2, 1994 Anyone got a mailing address for these people that produce this show? -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 02 May 94 10:07:47 EST From: Ilka Heber Subject: Heather Nova in Frankfurt Hi Everybody! Last weekend Klaus and Claudia were on a weekend trip to Wuerzburg and they took the opportunity to meet Uli, Pete and myself on their way back home to Wuppertal, as it was nicely on the way. So we met up at Uli's place (thanks again, Uli, the cake was wonderful!!!). It so happened that this weekend trip coincided with one of Heather Nova's four German gigs in Frankfurt, which is basically just up the road from Uli's place. Klaus and Claudia weren't sure whether they really want to stay for the concert, as they still had a 3 hours' drive back home ahead of them. After giving it some serious thought they decided that they do want to see the concert after all. We all drove up to Frankfurt and waited for the club (the Nachtleben) to open. We learnt pretty quickly that there were still a lot of tickets left. While we were standing in the bar considering what to do, Heather appeared from downstairs and walked past us. I was wondering whether I should try to get an autograph now, but I decided that that's probably not a very good idea. She sat down at a table with some guy, doing an interview. Klaus, Claudia and Uli were a little peckish, so they decided they would to try and find something small to eat. Pete and I stayed in the bar and had a drink. After Heather's interview with the one guy was done she was joined by two others and did another interview. About quarter to eight she was finished and got up to go back to the concert room. As she was walking past me I got up and asked her whether she would mind signing an auto- graph for me. She said "Of course not" and came over to the bar where she signed my CD insert. I asked her whether she's going to do "Maybe an Angel". She smiled at me and asked "Is that your favourite?" And I enthousiastically said "yes". That must have impressed her - but more about it later. I asked her whether there's going to be a new album sometime, and she told me that she just finished recording a new one, which is supposed to come out in September. She does not have a title for it yet. I didn't want to keep her occupied any longer, so she left. She was really, really friendly!!! Just before eight the others came back. Klaus and Claudia still had to buy tickets. A few moments after eight they let us enter. We were the first in the room, so I chose a place right in front of the microphone. The concert finally started at about 9:30 hrs. Until about 9 there was hardly anybody there. I think we counted about 25 - 30 people. Thank God the club filled up a bit more later (to a total of 50...). I was very, very sorry for Heather - she would have deserved a sold-out gig! Anyway, the gig was fantastic!! From where I stood I could read the play list, so I knew all the time that "Maybe an Angel" would be the last song before the encore = ). She played a lot of new songs. They sound very promising - I can't wait to get that album!! I assume Uli is going to post the playlist in detail. In the little break just before "Maybe an Angel" Heather came to the microphone and very much to my surprise said "This one is for you!" and pointed at me!!! Wow!!! I was so flattered!!! Nobody ever dedicated *anything* to me!!!!! The song is just so beautiful!!!! = ) Anyway, after the normal set they did an encore and then disappeared. Apart from Heather there were a guitarist, a drummer, a bassist and a lady with a cello. Klaus and Claudia, who were certainly glad they decided to come along, left pretty quickly, but the rest of us hung around for a little while. Uli thought it might be a good idea to ask at the backstage door whether we could get some more autographs. We were invited to come and join them backstage. We didn't stay very long. Uli got his CD signed, I got myself a poster that was stuck to the window in the bar and asked her to sign it. She actually said that she would have really liked to have one herself. I offered that she could have mine, but she said I should keep it. Anyway, I told her a little about Ecto and I offered to do a tape for her with some of the music we, the list, like. I hope she'll enjoy it! I learnt, too, that they were enjoying the 4 gigs in Germany very much and they'll be coming back for a gig in Cologne before the record comes out in September (so maybe around August) and afterwards they are going to do a few more gigs again. I'm very much looking forward to seeing them again then. Ilka = ) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 02 May 94 10:54:29 BST From: GTP10@phx.cam.ac.uk Subject: UK Ecto Party May 7th 1994 Final Update First of all, thanks to all of those who sent me birthday greetings for Saturday! This is intended to be a final update on the status of the Ecto Party I am hosting at my home (30 New Square, Cambridge, tel: 0223 565752) this coming Saturday. If any of the information below is in error can you please let me know? The attendees list is now as follows (* indicates people not on Ecto but with suitable musical tastes): >From Cambridge: myself, Tim (Steele), Guy (Larri) and Jonathan Oakley* From the rest of the UK: Tim (Cook) and his friends Simon* and Peter* Stephen Thomas and his wife Dave Lindsay, Terry Partis and Kerry >From Australia (via Holland): Chris Boek >From Germany: Uli, Klaus & Claudia, Ilka & Peter >From the USA: Meredith, woj, Vickie & Chris, Mark Semich, Andy Marvick* I am expecting the following to be staying in Cambridge overnight: Uli, Ilka & Peter (on Friday and Saturday) Klaus & Claudia, Meredith, woj, Chris Boek (on Saturday) The party will officially start with tea at 4.00 pm, but people are welcome to turn up any time during the day. After much deliberation I have decided to make an attempt at catering for everyone - the dishes have been chosen to make it easy for people to help with preparations! Any contributions those with the means to make and transport wish to bring will be gratefully accepted! Contributions of a more fluid nature are also welcomed! As the USAns say: this is gonna be really BIG! Geoff ======================================================================== From: Anders.Hallberg@eua.ericsson.se (Anders Hallberg) Date: Mon, 2 May 94 12:25:58 +0200 Subject: Loreena McKennit Live I saw a few mentions of Loreena while wading through the digests that just arrived. I definitely recommend everyone to see her live if they have the chance. She was in excellent voice when I saw her in Stockholm about a week ago. IMHO her voice sounded better on this concert than it does on the CD (Mask & Mirror). \Anders Who just completed his Happy CD collection with Rearmament and Rhodes I and is off to see Tori from the second row on thursday. Life is great sometimes --- hope you're happy too. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 07:16:20 +0700 From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: _Happy Come Home_ -- Victoria Williams Greetings, I guess in Ecto it's hard to ignore an album with "Happy" both as part of its title and as a song title. :) If I have my history right (and I usually don't :) ), _Happy Come Home_ is Victoria Williams' debut, and a quality one it is. Musically, the album is more led by Victoria Williams' enthusiasm and spirit than anything I can put a definite finger on. To my ear, she has a decent sense of melody, nothing outstanding or instantly ear catching. The music, performed in a clean professional background manner, sat somewhere in the unexciting no-man's land between folk and pop. Some of it struck me as too slick for her relatively straight-forward unsophisticated songs and her voice, and her gospel song seemed out of her league. Her odd voice is definitely an acquired taste, one I doubt I ever will acquire. :) Yet she delivers her songs clearly from her heart, giving them more punch than the sum of their musical parts. Lyrically, the words are tough to follow, due to her quirky voice (and the lack of a lyric sheet :) ). I know I've missed some of the subtle points and shadings of her verse. Yet the strongest trait of her songs os an amazingly strong sense of place -- outdoors in the rural American South. Being an outdoors person, I've long noted how little music touches things outside. Just for that fact alone, I found this album refreshing. As for her subject matter, no dominant theme stands out, except possibly a clear call to forget the worries of the world and just go out and enjoy life and the other people in it. "The key to the merry-go-round is the `merry'", as she puts it. Her only political bent shows in a couple of animal rights songs. She also has a strange and wonderful way with words throughout her song-writing. Rating: ****o strongly recommended Though very tired of winter, I remain ... Doug Burks _O_ @>->--- dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 07:16:35 +0700 From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Music by the pound Greetings, Anyone know how much an LP or CD weighs? That question was on my mind as I went to the Finest Records and Tapes parking lot sale Sunday, which advertised prices of US$3 per pound for CD's and US$0.40 per pound for LP's. While their selection of CD's was poor, they had a wealth of old LP's, and I found a number of albums I had been looking for for ages and others that I didn't realize that I had been looking for for ages. :) I carried out one CD and 46 LP's, which they literally weighed to figure out my bill -- a grand total of US$11.55. Not bad for 47 albums, eh? :) By the way, to answer my question, an LP weighs roughly 1/5lb and a CD roughly 1/4lb. Conversions to kilograms is left as an exercise for the reader. :) Hoping no one will ask for the full list of 47 albums, I remain ... Doug Burks _O_ @>->--- dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 2 May 1994 11:53:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Kate_Tabasko@transarc.com Subject: Re: Anonymous 4 Jeff Hanson asked about Anonymous 4 a while ago. > > Can anyone out there give me some info on Anonymous 4? I've > heard several good things about them, but have had trouble > finding anything by them (they seem to be filed as haphazardly > as Happy Rhodes, being in Rock, Gospel, and Ethnic). > What's the best album to start with? Are there more than one? > Any info on the band? I haven't seen any responses yet, so... I don't know if this is the *same* Anonymous 4 that I know (I can't imagine them being categorized as rock, gospel or ethnic), but the group (I wouldn't call them a "band") consists of four women, typically singing a capella. They specialize in early music, which tends to be lumped in with the rest of the amorphously categorized "classical" music, which is probably why you can't find them! As a subgenre, early music (unfortunately) tends not to be well represented in most stores; I've had the best luck in small stores that choose carefully or those that specialize in choral music. Anonymous 4 are wonderful, if you like early music -- and lotsa people don't. The release that I am most familiar with is "An English Ladymass" (it may be spelled with more medieval orthography), a collection of hymns, readings, and so forth dedicated to Mary. As I recall, most of the pieces date from between 1100 and 1400. Most of it is in Latin, although the readings tend to be Middle English. If this sounds like the group you meant, try looking in the classical section of your favorite record store. There is also -- guess what -- a newsgroup called rec.music.early that you might want to check out if you want to delve into early music more deeply. Enjoy! -- Kate ---------------------- "Life will be happier for the on-line individual because the people with whom one interacts most strongly will be selected more by commonality of interests and goals than by accidents of proximity" - J.C.R. Licklider, 1968 ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Mon, 2 May 94 09:22:56 -0700 Subject: Re: world cafe AnthonyH, concerning World Cafe: > Anyone got a mailing address for these people that produce this show? Would an email address do? Try worldcafe@a1.relay.upenn.edu. I wrote them a few months back, because I was wondering if there was any way I could hear World Cafe in the S.F. Bay Area, and got the following disappointing but nice response (included in case any other Bay Area ectophiles might be able to pull some strings). Ethan Posted: Mon, 28 Feb 94 17:54:01 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 17:50:01 -0500 Sender: worldcafe@a1.relay.upenn.edu From: "WXPN WORLDCAFE" To: ethan_straffin@NeXT.COM Subject: RE: World Cafe in S.F. Bay Area? Msg-Class: ALL-IN-1 V2.3 BL8-4 Rev. AAC 20-Dec-1988 Hi Ethan, The ONLY station in California that carries us is KUOP in Stockton, 91.3 FM. They carry us Monday through Friday 7-9 p.m. and Saturday 6:30-9:30 p.m. We'd >>love<< to be on one of the Bay area stations. Haven't been able to convince them though. Know anyone at KFOG? How about KALW or the UC Berkeley station (I don't remember its calls)? Thanks for asking! Vinnie Curren Assistant Manager WXPN ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)