Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #583 ecto, Number 583 Sunday, 23 May 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Today's your birthday friends.... Heida Berry I better watch myself :) returned mail Heidi not Heida Brazil and other such stuff Ellis Island "Myth" "Polynomials"--chapter heading in an old algebra text This n that, here n there H p y B r h a a p . i t d y and just what *is* the appeal of being a farmer anyway? Ani DiFranco Nigel and Re: Nigel and ======================================================================== Subject: Today's your birthday friends.... From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Fri, 21 May 93 01:55:56 GMT i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *************** ***HAPPY******* ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* ******************* ***** Beth Perry ****** ***** Yngve Hauge ***** *********************** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Beth Perry Tue May 21 1957 Glad Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 2 1966 Kaksoset Julianne Dunphy Wed June 10 1970 Gemini Ronald Hogan Tue June 16 1970 Bloomsday Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini Ecto-The Mailing ListTue June 18 1991 Fuzzy blue Tracy Barber Mon June 18 1956 Gemini David Lubkin Fri June 20 1958 OurLady -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.w.open.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 May 93 19:31:27 +0200 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Heida Berry Anyone of you know anything about Heidi Berry's self-titled album which is going to be released June 22? Regards, -- T ---- Only In Your Eyes Lies Your Soul.............. H | --- ----- ---- --- - -- - - - - - --- E |-- | | | | | | |__| | | |_ | | | | | |--- | | | | | --- --- - - ---- - - - -- - - - --- --- Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no).....University of Tromsoe...Norway ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 May 93 19:38:26 +0200 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: I better watch myself :) I better watch myself before I send mails..I wasn't finished yet :) Some other releases - June 22 Bjork Debut June 29 Lisa Germano Happiness June ?? Melissa Etheridge July 13 Jane Siberry When I Was A Boy July 13 Deborah Harry Debravation August ?? Stevie Nicks <Title unavailable> Any info about these releases as well? Some interesting stuff there........ Regards, -- T ---- Only In Your Eyes Lies Your Soul.............. H | --- ----- ---- --- - -- - - - - - --- E |-- | | | | | | |__| | | |_ | | | | | |--- | | | | | --- --- - - ---- - - - -- - - - --- --- Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no).....University of Tromsoe...Norway ======================================================================== Date: 21 May 1993 14:36:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." <V115P8D6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu> Subject: returned mail I'm getting stuff returned to me that I sent out days ago... ug. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 May 93 20:39:46 +0200 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Heidi not Heida Just to correct my subject-line :) -- T ---- Only In Your Eyes Lies Your Soul.............. H | --- ----- ---- --- - -- - - - - - --- E |-- | | | | | | |__| | | |_ | | | | | |--- | | | | | --- --- - - ---- - - - -- - - - --- --- Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no).....University of Tromsoe...Norway ======================================================================== Date: 21 May 1993 15:21:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." <V115P8D6@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu> Subject: Brazil and other such stuff I noticed a discussion on Brazil that had been going on. Oddly enough, I rented the movie just a few weeks ago...I had seen it once when I was in my freshman year of college and I wanted to see it again to see what I would get out of it the second time around. Terry Gilliam has to be one of my favorite filmmakers...not exactly for stories or plots in his movies but rather for what he sees and makes us see on the screen. He's an illustrator. His movies are visually stunning, exciting...they are like illustrations in a book that move and talk. The Adventures of Baron Munchausen is the best example of this and my favorite of his releases. I remember sitting in the movie theater watching the scene where they go to the moon, seeing a sky full of stars that begin to ripple and then the ship gliding through it, the surface turning to sand, passing by a face molded from the sand and heading toward a fantastic astrolabe like structure in the distance. It was incredible. Doesn't come out so well in words..:-) its better to experience. I followed the storyline of Brazil better the second time around. I was able to pick up more of what was going on in the background. It didn't have the same shock value however... To explain, the first time I saw the movie, it was mostly because of its associations with Monty Python. Michael Palin had a central role and you must admit that he has always played rather sympathetic characters. The scene in Brazil when the main character (ugh what is his name! brain drain) goes to the top floor to obtain the files on the women who interests him was a shocking experience. The drops of blood on the floor of the white hallway, the scream, his friend standing there with the bloody handprints on his apron. Its one of the few experiences I've had in a movie of a shock. The second is at the end. I won't go into details for those who haven't seen the movie but I was really into the last 10 minutes of the movie! his escape and all. And then the ending. Well, sorry to be rambling on and such but before the school year ended, we had a discussion in class (totally unrelated to class or what was going on in it) about movies that have the power to shock. My friend Mike mentioned the Crying Game. Despite all the discussion about it and the awards shows and all, he was totally unaware of the plot twist that occurs in the movie. I suppose shock could mean different things to different people....an unexpected plot twist, unpredictability, challenge to thoughts or beliefs even. I remember the Saturday Night Live episode with Sinead O'Connor where she sang War and tore up a picture of the Pope. That was a shock. Not totally unpleasant mind you because I had thought television had lost its power to go into unexpected directions and make me sit up and take notice. I woke up during her performance. A few of the people I was with who generally make lots of noise, were silent. But then I notice she tends to bring that out. I remember the first time I saw her perform on SNL. She sang Three Babies and mesmerized me and my friend who, though he still refers to her as skinhead, uncle fester and the like, on occassion borrows my cd of "I do not want what I haven't got". This is rather long. Sorry about that. Work is very slow today and having finished 3 books in this week alone, I felt inclined to break the silence and my relative solitude and talk your ears off.:-) Quenby name stuff: okay, I understand about the variations people get on their names...I've had a few I can't even remember because I haven't the faintest idea how the person managed to screw it up in that way but think for a second...The Simpsons (for all of you who live in the U.S. or have been able to see the show) and *Mayor Quimby*! arrrgghh! :-) (many smiley faces indicated here):-) We had a gathering at our house and my friends boss came over with his wife. When he introduced me she said "thats not very nice" and playfully hit him on the arm. I'm sure you can imagine everyone's reaction to that! (they found it hilarious) We had to convince her that he was not playing a joke on her and that Quenby was really my name. ======================================================================== From: moorsa@rpi.edu Date: Fri, 21 May 93 17:03:25 EDT Subject: Ellis Island "Myth" I went to Ellis Island a few months back, and the folks there *absolutely deny* that anyone on the I&NS staff ever changed a single name. They claim that the ship lines that carried the immigrants submitted their passenger manifests when they arrived at EI, and the clerks there just entered on the forms what they saw in the books ("although errors did occasionally occur"). The blame, they claim, should fall on the anonymous ships' registrars, who often "Americanized" names so that the immigrants would have an easier time in the new land. Whatever the facts, I can tell you for sure that my Latvian Orthodox Jewish great-grandmother damn well didn't name her daughter Mary Frances, and she and the daughter blamed the change on Ellis Island all their lives. Oh, they also deny listing only the names of male children when only one parent was present. My other grandmother, whose mother had died and father remarried, spent nearly 20 years trying to become a citizen because the forms her father got at EI listed father, mother, three sons and a daughter (by name) and "child, female." It may be mythology, but I believe it. alanm ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 May 1993 15:11:20 CDT From: <U15289@uicvm.bitnet> Subject: "Polynomials"--chapter heading in an old algebra text Jeff burkas WRT the possible can-squeezer inspiration of _Wild Palms_: >Hmmmm. Does this mean Tony Kreutzer will continue to publish books for >years to come? Depends on how long a hologram who used to be a person can continue to publish books :-). BTW: Whatever you do, buy the _WP_ soundtrack album in stores if you buy it at all. The price at which ABC is direct-marketing the thing is exorbitant; you can undoubtedly do better than that by going the standard retail route. This bit of counter-advertising out of the way, let me now turn to having a little fun at Jeff's expense: :-) >I'm, finally, a Burka...a word you can find in just about any Russian-English >dictionary (well, you could if it were in cyrillic...;-) The first time I read this sentence, the thought somehow came to me that in lower-case cyrillic, at least (cyrillic upper-case is hard to approximate in this medium), the Russian translation looks to the Americanized eye something like 'bypka'--which, when pronounced according to common American English phonetic conventions, is not inordinately far off from a Yiddish term which readers knowledgeable about such things may find grimly amusing :-) :-) :-('. Yngve wrote a while ago: > I have no clue how to pronounce my name in English, so please don't ask The former professor of library science at the University of Chicago, Victor H. Yngve, pronounced it "ing-vee." Then again, if you think that's problemat- ic, consider the case of National Public Radio's redoubtable economics reporter John Ydste--pronounced plenty of times on the air, but it took a listener's letter to _All Things Considered_ to get them to reveal the spelling to the radio audience. "A fine old Norwegian name," added _ATC_ host Linda Wertheimer for the benefit of listeners who may have been wondering about such things. For some unknown reason (only the umpteenth of many), all this reminds me of the "major truth" sequence in the movie _Last Summer_, in which Richard Thomas, Barbara Hershey and Bruce Davison challenged each other to reveal same about themselves. Having made some light of the foreign origins of Jeff's name, I somehow feel constrained to establish that, in the great words of Edward G. Robinson in _Little Caesar_, "I can dish it out and I can take it too." On a couple of separate occasions, years upon years ago, my parents told me that the immediate antecedent of our surname was the place name of the community of Prawutyn, which evidently existed at one time somewhere in the land of the superannuated yogurt addicts. Said place name, in turn, has roots in the Russian "prav," or right, the antonym of "lev," or left--naturally foreshadow- ing my political socialization into the distinguished tradition of Hyde Park liberalism :-). As fate would have it, this is also the etymological stem of the familiar Russian word "pravda," or truth--making possible Dick Cavett's witticism during the Soviet era that there wasn't any pravda in Izvestia ("news"), and there wasn't any izvestia in Pravda. In a nutshell, those read- ers of this list who have spent the last two years searching in vain for any major truth in my posts may find all this wryly amusing :-). Personal to Angelos, on the occasion of his dissertation milestone: too bad I didn't think of the hard-sphere crystal melt candy idea a couple of weeks earlier, when the food marketing meetings were going on. I dunno whether they had a meat market there (atrocious pun, or what?), but it would have been one more place for you to interview :-) :-('. Last night, Margie Adam was the guest on Studs Terkel's program. It would be a good forum for Happy, though it would lack the perverse amusement value of WKQX's Steve Fisher making an ass of himself (cf. his Tori Amos interview). It's kind of too bad that Robert Murphy abruptly quit the latter station's morning drivetime shift; it would have been fun to have Happy match wits with him. And, of course, happy birthday to Beth and Yngve. Off to Kroch's to get my copy of Susan Stamberg's new compendium of interviews autographed, and cop a slice of the free raspberry cheesecake WBEZ is giving away at the autographing event in commemoration of their hemicentennary. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: 21 May 1993 22:42:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape <METH@delphi.com> Subject: This n that, here n there Hi! First off, I have NO CLUE where my name comes from, except we're pretty sure Ellis Island had nothing to do with it. More than that, we can't even begin to venture a guess... (There is a funny family story from the Quebecois side of my family about the uncle who was supposed to have been christened with some unspellable, unpronounceable Canuck name that the priest just couldn't handle so he just named him Ernest, but that's neither here nor there, as Mitch would say.) Saw Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians last night. Not the usual Ecto fare, but a wonderful show nonetheless, and a good time was had by all. Even, I daresay, by Robyn himself. The cool thing about Toad's Place is, you can get as close to the stage as you can without actually standing on it- I made do by alternately leaning on one of the stage monitors and perching on the edge, in front of Andy the (unbelievably cute) bassist/keyboardist. The Sundays are there on June 21st- hopefully I'll be able to get that close to Harriet Wheeler. :) Any 'Philes who would be interested in attending please let me know, I can arrange for tickets in advance directly from the venue box office (no service charges! Yay!). Finally, I read in the New Yorker's GOINGS ON ABOUT TOWN a couple weeks ago about a free concert to given by Victoria Williams in Battery Park the night before I got around to reading about it. There was no further explication, just an announcement- I assume nobody here knew anything about/heard of this concert, or there would've been a mention before this. I've been meaning to bring it up, but what with one thing and another... anyone got some info to proffer on how this free show came to be, and how it went? Now I will slink back into my lurker's corner and finally get around to that transcription of my interview. Really. No joke. I mean it. Uh-huh. Meredith meth@delphi.com "One minute after mailing her 15 hard-earned dollars to United We Stand America, Mrs. Elizabeth Smoog realizes she has just sent money to a billionaire." - Jeff Danziger, Christian Science Monitor editorial cartoon caption ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 May 93 23:48:58 EDT From: WretchAwry <vickie@pilot.njin.net> Subject: H p y B r h a HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Beth!! -V- ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 May 93 23:53:00 EDT From: WretchAwry <vickie@pilot.njin.net> Subject: a p . i t d y HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Yngve!! -V- ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 22 May 93 00:26:19 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) >quenby said: >Vickie said: > >>[far too much without stopping to breathe; did she keel over after she >>typed "send"?] > >Jeff said: > >>"Ah No, says he 'twas not to be >>On a coffin ship I came here >>And I never even got so far >>That they could change my name." > >> --Philip Chevron/the Pogues > >My father told me when I was younger that his grandparents came through >Ellis Island and that their names were also changed. Apparently, my last >name was originally spelled Czumko. And I thought people had a hard time >with how it is spelled now.... >:-) > >Quenby Chunco > my dad changed his name when he came over because the typewriters over here were missing a couple keys... besides, newscasters still haven't figgered out how to pronounce herzegovina yet, much less master the subtleties of yugoslav names. brni mojzes (oh yeah, at monet.vill.edu) ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 22 May 93 01:20:38 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: and just what *is* the appeal of being a farmer anyway? hi all, well, i'm still trying to get caught up with my mail. you people should be more considerate of other people's schedules and write less when we don't have time to get to our terminals. on monday i helped my SO pack, and on tuesday we loaded her car and mine and drove 5 hours to stone ridge, ny, where she will be living from now on. the fact that she may even drive past happy and kevin's new abode isn't enough to make up for the fact that i have to drive for hours to see her now, a and she now doesn't have email access (or even a computer at all). sigh. she *did* graduate with honors, tho, and i met her dad, his wife, and her sister. also, her mom also met his wife: something that everyone had been trying to avoid. ah well. it turned out ok. last friday ( a week ago, and before graduation) we went to see a concert at bryn mawr college. the musician was joanna ho, an alum of bmc and friend of emily's. she does that crunchy acoustic guitar lesbian ballad stuff, some of it well, and some of it not-so-well. but she's a great performer. she has a song called "I've got the 'I'm too butch for her' Blues" which was hysterical. a fortuitous accident occured there: she farted in the middle of a verse, and it was of course picked up by the guitar mic; both she and the audience laughed so hard that she had to stop the song to get her breath. if she ever gets her butt in gear and starts performing out minneapolis way, i recommend seeing her, if you like crunchy acoustic lesbian music. well, its off to sleep, now, since i have to work tomorrow (today, actually). good night all. maybe if i get a job as happy's bassist, i can move up there too... hmmmm. brni mojzes@monet.vill.edu ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 May 93 23:43:19 PDT From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Ani DiFranco Well, I saw her at the Folk Festival this evening. I thought she was OK. She has a great sense of humor, her songs are well-written, and she sounds really great with just a guitar. In fact, I thought her guitar playing was really cool because she seemed to have really turned up the bass response on the pickups and the way she played made her sound like she had a bass drum or bassist playing with her. However, when I talked to someone after the show she said that this effect probably wasn't intentional and Ani didn't know how cool it sounded to the audience; Ani just thought there was something wrong with her monitor. Quite unfortunate. To throw in something on the thread on family names: There is a town in Holland called Deventer. An early immigrant from there to the British colonies that became the U.S. therefore became Van Deventer. Since then at least one branch of the family has softened the final consonant to Van Devender. And when I learned to spell my name I spelled it VanDevender, even though this disagrees with the way my father spells it (he leaves in the space between the words) and gets messed up with every place that don't allow you to have more than one capitalized letter in your name (my particular pet peeve is Fidonet bulletin boards which automatically capitalize your first and last names). Since the original Van Deventer arrived before there was an Ellis Island immigration facility, I can't blame them for the changes in spelling. My grandmother once got a genealogy book that supposedly chronicled the entire Van Deventer/Van Devender family from the progenitor. Unfortunately they weren't as thorough as they might have been since my branch of the family was quite scrambled; my father was listed as my brother and I was married to my mother or some equally bizarre rearrangement. ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 22 May 93 5:20:59 EDT From: WretchAwry <vickie@pilot.njin.net> Subject: Nigel and Yngve writes a wonderful post about classical music, and says: > Let's stop somewhat by the music of Vivaldi...You can say much about > Nigel Kennedy but he know how to make music become new again. I bought > his recording of The Four Seasons and the only thing I can say about > it is go listen to it...It's so very wonderful done. I love Nigel Kennedy! I skipped work once to go see him in concert, and even got to meet him backstage after the concert. He signed my "Experiment IV" 12" and was absolutely delighted to find out that I was a Kate fan (kept calling me a "Bush Baby" :-)) and was one of the nicest people I've ever met. I still cringe when I think about how I didn't know until later that the woman with him was Brix, from The Fall and Adult Net. Everyone was fawning all over Nigel, and she seemed kind of lost and left out. I did say hi to her, but if I'd known who she was, it would have been great to say "I love your music too!" Speaking of anonymity, I wasn't the one who posted the lyrics to "Ode" in asar, but I sent them to the person who did. What a suprise! This person (Stuffed Triceratops) has never even heard the song, he just liked the lyrics. (So I sent him the lyrics to about 15 other HR songs!) I loved the reactions to my um...whatever it was (I get into moods, I can't explain it), and I love hearing about people's names. I realized that I said my great-grandmother was named Ingeson as a kid, but it was my great-grandfather on my mother's side. They came from Sweden (Hi Tommy!) as did my mother's mother's family. My father's family came from Germany (his mom) and Ireland (his dad). It's funny, I'm more Swedish than anything, but I don't know what Swedish characteristics I have. Ok, not that I know what German and Irish characteristics I have either. Am I the only person in the Northern hemisphere who has never seen an episode of "Cheers" and who didn't watch the wingding on Thursday night? Bits and pieces I saw of the show through the years never piqued my interest. It seemed full of sexual mind games and insults. That's funny? No offense to Cheers fans out there, I'm sure that there was more to the show than that. I've never been much of a sitcom watcher. I never saw an episode of M*A*S*H or Mary Tyler Moore or WKRP or All in The Family until they were off the air and were re-run in syndication. I just started watching "Roseanne" a few months ago, and it's been on for years. It's too bad I ignored and dismissed it for so long, because it really is an excellent show. I've become *much* more forgiving of Roseanne Arnold's real-life antics since I found out that she was sexually abused (as was Tom) and that they've put a lot of money into starting a foundation to help victims/survivors of sexual abuse. It's a great thing for them to do. (Now all I need is the address...:-)) Rosie and Tom may be "white trash with money" (as Tom puts it) but they're intelligent, interesting, funny, talented and compassionate white trash with money! I saw the film _Wide Sargasso Sea_, and though I'm glad I saw it in the theater (it's gorgeous!) I wouldn't really recommend it. The whole concept is interesting, just not executed well. Or, to my liking, I should say. It's a "prequel" to Charlotte Bronte's _Jane Eyre_ and is about Rochester's first wife, her childhood and how they met and married and how and why she went crazy. Has anyone read _Jane Eyre_ recently? I thought the woman's name was Grace Pool, but she's not referred by that name anywhere in WSS. (I'm sure it was Grace Pool, because there's a band by that name and they got the name from Jane Eyre.) Anyway, 5 stars for the location scenery in Jamaica, 2 stars for the movie itself. (Though I do have to say that I'd see it again, just for the actress who played GP. She's really cool, and wouldn't you know it, I forgot her name. Pfft) The music is pretty good too. Stewart Copeland did it. Ok, maybe 3 stars :-). Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 22 May 93 14:14:13 +0200 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Re: Nigel and > I love Nigel Kennedy! I skipped work once to go see him in concert, > and even got to meet him backstage after the concert. He signed my > "Experiment IV" 12" and was absolutely delighted to find out that I > was a Kate fan (kept calling me a "Bush Baby" :-)) and was one of the > nicest people I've ever met. I still cringe when I think about how > I didn't know until later that the woman with him was Brix, from > The Fall and Adult Net. Everyone was fawning all over Nigel, and she > seemed kind of lost and left out. I did say hi to her, but if I'd > known who she was, it would have been great to say "I love your > music too!" I found the CD with Dvorak/Smetana string quartets in a locker I have here at the university. And that was not the only CD I found....I'd wondered where the CD with Sibelius violine concert had gone (I just love this concert) and I opened the locker and there it was. So I can just repeat what I wrote earlier - Vickie, you should go listen to the second movement of Dvorak's 12th string quartet "The American". It's some of the most lovely music you can think of. And to add something - Sibelius' violine concerto (especially the beginning) is very beautiful too (and not forget the second and third movement of this concert :)) This is not only for Vickie but for all of you Ectophiles (Mozart did never get this deep into music) Regards, -- T ---- Only In Your Eyes Lies Your Soul.............. H | --- ----- ---- --- - -- - - - - - --- E |-- | | | | | | |__| | | |_ | | | | | |--- | | | | | --- --- - - ---- - - - -- - - - --- --- Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no).....University of Tromsoe...Norway ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)