Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #563 ecto, Number 563 Thursday, 6 May 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Take four NU comes thru Bowie on Arsenio Hall Help her someone ! :) :) :) Evan Welsh's Ecto Intro Re: Some astoundingly meaningless statistics about Ecto I g Help! Emorf unzip problems... Another week, another post ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 06 May 1993 11:20:21 EDT From: Chris Sampson Subject: Take four --------------------------------------------------------------------------- WARNING: You've seen some of this before....this is the third time I'm trying to post the ENTIRE message...Here goes... --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ANOTHER WARNING: brni has trouble shot this thing for me, I think. Hi, all, mostly kibbitzing (i.e., nothing of real substance, but excessive in its cuteness 8) >mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (Who?)...(brni) (Oh....:>) says.... >Subject: re: the queen and the soldier, Anyway, brni says, that Dennis says... >> "Some kids asked me about the Queen and the >>Soldier. After a couple questions, they said 'Were they the Queen and >>the Soldier dating?' Ummmmyeah, sort >>of...." >yeah, i always loved her explanations of that song. when i saw her >right after her 2nd album, she prefaced the song by first apologizing >if she screwed it up, because, she said, on some level she didn't >want the ending to happen that way, so sometimes she unconsciously >ended the song before the last verse. then she went on and on about >how she is always answering questions about what it means, and about >that question that she dreads: "does the queen really have the soldier >killed?" My favorite SV song after Straight Lines. Loved the first album. Didn't like Sol.Stand. much (Luka was killed on the radio in usual overkill mode perpetrated by the top40 stations...) Queen and Soldier was a hot topic of conversation with my friends...I especially remember my cousin insisting that the Queen was absolutely free to leave with the soldier (assumption that the song is NOT allegorical...or maybe no such assumption)...Bars do not a prison make, I guess. There are two types of people...... ======================================================================== Alan posts: > "I've heard the mermaids singing", >This one is to art what White Room was to music - also highly recommended. >I'm pretty sure you can get ahold of this one south of the border too... Always looking for great movies (uh, films, rather) > Was that *really* a mitch post? It didn't even fill up my screen once! :-) Relegated to skimming (and even then, only occasionally,) I DO miss those famous Mitch posts, too. >Re: bisexuality - > I must admit I do have a strong preference for >all things female, A hearty assent (not a macho catchphrase) I adore women. Harlan Ellison said an interesting thing about loneliness which about sums up my views on sexuality: He was speaking of a friend (female) who "needed a good man" ... "She needs a man. This is not sexist. There are men who need a woman. And so I don't take heat from the gay lobby; there are women who need women, and men who need men. There are also women who need a big dog, and that's nobody's business but their own...." > Has anyone heard the story of Monica Seles? It seems some sicko came up >to her and stabbed her in the back during a match!! Why? What could >someone possibly have against a tennis player? The guy was quoted as saying he wanted to prevent her from playing in the weekend match(es)....but then he was probably saying a lot of other strange things.........as far as tennis-players-as-a-group, I thought about McEnroe and decided the worst *I* could wish for him was enforced exposure to vidoetapes of his tantrums....Certainly Monica Seles is not anywhere nearly as loathsome as that...........How 'bout the default explanation: The guy with the knife is a f---ing nut. -- | Alan Ezust depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| ======================================================================== Bob Lovejoy posted a bunch of stuff..... A Question to Bob (or anybody who can field it) Truth/Rumor that Happy and Kevin are moving/have moved to...Woodstock?...Supposedly appeared in Metroland....... ======================================================================== Drewcifer posts: >It's really not possible to be behaving bisexually unless you're in bed >with a man and a woman at once. ...and even then, you have to be ...ahem... *attending* to both, as opposed to "two men _sharing_ a woman (or 2 women sharing a man)" >And on his dying bed >the dirty angels >flying over him like >buzzards asked him >Do you confess? > Diamanda Galas I think I'll have to buy som DG stuff when I'm feeling particularly critical of society (i.e., most days) I read an interview with her in a recent MONDO 2000...WOW! what a heavy state of mind! Her particular ax to grind is best summed by the preceding .sig. Thank you Ms./Mr. brni. ======================================================================== Alan posts again: >But this show was painful to watch! All the adults, with the exception of >Kim's biological mother, the judge, and the lawyer, were making complete >jackasses of themselves, spewing sexist, homophobic garbage for the entire >show - - - - - - - - - >- - - - - - - I was *this close* to just switching off the TV in >disgust - it makes me that angry... But this episode turned everything >around so wonderfully in the last 1 minute, that I felt better almost >instantly by the end. Amazing... I have never seen the show you describe, BUT (that won't stop me from opining all over the place) I am cynical about much of what's on TV. First, and foremost IMNSHO, is that it is generally formulaic. Case in point (er, from the movies, though) I recently saw Scent Of A Woman on HBO. My friends liked it A LOT. I was moved a bit, but recognized the familiar manipulation of my heartstrings (particularly the one that vibrates in concert with transmissions of vindication). The most cutting/insightful explanation of this phenomenon is seen in The Player. There's a scene therein where a would-be movie exec is talking about the lack of NEED for writers, and demonstrates that the newspaper is a great source for guaranteed money-making scripts, by spitting back plots from headlines.... Considering that Altman directed it, I'm reasonably sure that he was engaging in a little hyperbole...even down to the expected unexpected-ending. Me, I prefer, the not-so-pat resolution, vis-a-vis At Play in the Fields of the Lord (most recent example). Second, if we give them the benefit of the doubt as to significance, perhaps the characters were meant to appear stupid (even to the general TV-watching audience...which would require some really obvious acting, I think....) ======================================================================== >From: "Not quite the third man--the third person, but the second man" > (aka Mitch) >I thought I was suggesting to Uli a way to compile his frequency distributions >of posters to ecto, without encountering certain glitches which he apparently >I doubt it. For that to happen, she'd have to reduce her posting frequency to >well under half what it is now. Then again, Chris may have a point that the >numbers of words should be considered as well. Wonder if Uli can develop a >program to get a handle on that :-)? Considered, but be careful to weed out excessive captioning (i.e.g, ">"-ing) See previous screens............:) >_Flirting_ was indeed a fine picture, BTW. More info, please.......... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And finally, Steve Lusky (?) asked about the following .sig, and I couldn't find his email address anywhere. So I'll, briefly, explain this. John Allen Paulos is a mathematician/professor/writer at Temple University, whose big cause is alleged innumeracy. An article about him appears on page 34 of the April 1993 OMNI (I enjoyed it enough to almost consider renewing my subscription to this schlocky tripe...almost). He is against the segregation of people into two types (those who believe there are two types of people and those who don't....:)) e.g., left- vs. right-brained.He laments the dichotomy between the mathematical elite and the lay-person.. "Certainly the mathematical and technical elite in this country are the best in the world. People come here from all over to go to graduate school. But people don't come here to got to junior high." Anyway, there's more, and, if enough people insist, I will transcribe it, rather than encourage people to buy OMNI (yech). Warning: it's the best thing they've published in OMNI in a long time..........See y'all more regularly. .----------------------------------------------------------------------. | In an increasingly complex world full of senseless coincidence and |. | baseless pseudoscience, what's required in many situations is not more|\| | facts --we're inundated already-- but a better command of known facts,|\| | and for this a course in probability is invaluable. Probability,like |\| | logic, is not just for mathematicians anymore .----------------------|\| | It permeates our lives. | Chris Sampson |\| | --John Allen Paulos | chris@neuron.uchc.edu |\| `-----------------------------------------------`-----------------------'\| \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\| `------------------------------------------------------------------------' ======================================================================== Date: 06 May 93 11:31:53 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: NU comes thru I have very recently gotten into the habit of picking up a copy of the free and mediocre (but still free) Daily Northwestern student paper. This habit has quickly paid off. In yesterday's issue, there was an ad for a FREE Shawn Colvin show at Northwestern, by the lake, on May 13, at 7pm! I saw Shawn solo a while ago, and I take it she is now touring with a band. She was *amazing* alone, so I do not want to miss this one. Note, for you fellow Chicago-ites, that this is the SAME night as the M7X show at the Avalon. But the latter starts at 10pm, so it would theoretically be possible to attend both, as I might do. Either way, I'll be at the Colvin show, and as far as I can tell, if you know about it, you can go. (I know NU has done this before with other artists and they get away with it by keeping it *very* quiet, i.e. only advertising it on campus. But I'd suspect you don't have to be a student to go; or at least, that they won't be checking.) Did anybody else see the Beatles tribute (just what the world needed... another Beatles Tribute) on PBS last night? It was pathetic except for an appearance by the BOBS and ISO dance group. -mjm ======================================================================== Subject: Bowie on Arsenio Hall From: metatron!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) Date: Thu, 06 May 93 10:13:11 CDT David Bowie and Al B! Sure will be on Arsenio Hall tonight. According to the Geneva Convention, they should reciprocate Happy's cover of "Ashes to Ashes" by doing a version of "Cohabitants", but don't hold yer breath. (Actually, the title track of the new *wonderful* Bowie album, "Black Tie, White Noise," is a duet by the two of them.) "You could be an ocarina salesman going | Metatron Press | Austin, Texas! from door to door..." -- Laurie Anderson | Human Systems Performance Group ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 May 93 18:10:57 +0200 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Help her someone ! :) :) :) Who is beating Diamanda Galas????????????? :) Or what is her problem if noone is(It really sounds like she got some)??? :) Could someone please help her? But ,WOW!!!!!!!!!!, I got to get that album to keep people out of my way when I want to (or who needs burglar-alarms? :)) :) Vickie?? You are a genious when it comes to music (as if I didn't know that already :)) That Nina Hagen songs fits perfectly after Diamanda's song!!!!!!! I'm still sane (I think) :) Regards, -- T ---- Only In Your Eyes Lies Your Soul.............. H | --- ----- ---- --- - -- - - - - - --- E |-- | | | | | | |__| | | |_ | | | | | |--- | | | | | --- --- - - ---- - - - -- - - - --- --- Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no).....University of Tromsoe...Norway ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 5 May 93 22:13 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Evan Welsh's Ecto Intro Hi Evan (and all others), welcome to your non-sub-conciousness on Ecto: As Vickie said, you had cross-posted to Ecto, but you really did. And cross-posting is what some people here do all the time, so it has to count. > From: welsh@epcc.ed.ac.uk > Subject: Re: Sinead & stuff > To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 92 9:27:18 BST > Cc: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu, jitr@presto.ig.com > In-Reply-To: <9210090440.AA19718@e40-008-13.MIT.EDU>; from "kyrlidis@edu.mit.athena" > at Oct 9, 92 12:40 am > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > > For jitr readers: Vickie Mapes posted on ecto an article from the > > Chicago Tribune regarding some 'organization' that will donate to charity for > > each Sinead album mailed to them. > > Why the quotes? Aren't they entitled to take their own stand, just as so > many people on this list have been doing? > > > NOW I AM PISSED OFF!!! So, freedom of speach involves the equivalent of > > book burning? Buck a song? Heck, a quarter for each picture of hers, and > > a hundred bucks per videotape of her concerts, plus a bonus $1000 for each > > of her interviews... What is wrong with people? > > So what's the difference between book-burning and picture-ripping-up. What > does the bible say about an eye for an eye? (Yes I know that's old > testament.) What the National Ethnic Coalition of Organizations is doing is > no more outrageous, and will (I expect) offend far fewer people, than what > Sinead did. > > But hey, doesn't Sinead produce GREAT music?! > > -- > _____________________________________________________________________ > / Evan Welsh \ > \ Edinburgh Parallel Computing Centre (+44 31 650 5960) / > > Evan: Welche Art von deutschen Schimpfwoertern moechtest Du hoeren? Solche, bei denen man nur zurueckschimpft oder solche, bei denen man anfaengt, an Deiner Erziehung zu zweifeln? Bye, Uli ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: 6 May 93 14:45:06 EST Subject: Re: Some astoundingly meaningless statistics about Ecto I g Uli sez: > Well, I vote for 'Kate Reckoning' and 'Happy Reckoning', but Yes, I love it! KR and HR! It's most appropriate! - Michael B. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 13:52:08 -0500 From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Help! Emorf unzip problems... I'm having trouble unzipping EMORF267.ZIP from the ftp site. I'm using PKUNZIP 1.1 and I get the following error: Warning! I don't know how to handle file: ANIM.FLC It won't let me unzip it.. I ftp'd it in bin mode like i'd expect. Any ideas? I don't think is was uuencoded was it? Is my PKUNZIP version too old? Help........ -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@lobby.ti.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Re: Help! Emorf unzip problems... Date: Thu, 6 May 93 14:34:53 CDT Forwarded message: From: rjk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 14:29:04 -0500 Subject: Re: Help! Emorf unzip problems... Brian Bloom writes: > I'm having trouble unzipping EMORF267.ZIP from the ftp site. > > I'm using PKUNZIP 1.1 and I get the following error: > Warning! I don't know how to handle file: ANIM.FLC > > It won't let me unzip it.. I ftp'd it in bin mode like i'd expect. > > Any ideas? I don't think is was uuencoded was it? > Is my PKUNZIP version too old? > > Help........ <*blush*> I meant to mention that I had put this and a few gifs of steps along the way for those who have no access to flick viewers. The problem you are having is indeed due to me zipping it with pkzip 2.04, the latest version of said program. It is available in numerous places, one of which would be: wuarchive.wustl.edu /mirrors/msdos/zip/pkz204g.exe It is a self-extracting archive for dos machines. Dunno if anyone has released a compatable extractor for other platforms. Sorry for the confusion. I might also note that it is a .flc file and not a .fli file, a not-to- different-but-different-enough-to-choke-most-fli-viewers format. I was unaware of the difference until just a few days ago; apparently the .fli format only supports up to 256x200, I believe. The .flc format supports considerably greater resolution. The viewer in playfli.zip can handle .flc files; I don't think the other two can. About the morph itself, it's by no means perfect (the tusk doesn't blend in/out as well as it could), but considering it was only my third attempt at such things (the second being equimorf, the first being an "H" changing into an "A" (just to get the feel of it)), I don't think it turned out too badly. Anyway, everyone should be able to at least enjoy the gifs, and they aren't nearly as large. ;) I should probably also mention that the other "morph", equimorf isn't really a morph so much as it is just a fade-in fade-out since I seem to have forgotten to load the warp lines when I processed the end results. Still kind of nifty, tho. And while streams of information are pouring out of my head with little order, I may as well say that Games magazine, in either the current issue or the next, will have a morphing puzzle where, I would suspect one tries to identify the two morphed parties from one combined picture. eg. Dianna Ross Perot. Spooky picture. Finally, to give credit where credit is due, I have been using a beta version of a morphing program that is available for ibm'ers as shareware, also available at wuarchive.wustl.edu wuarchive.wustl.edu /pub/MSDOS_UPLOADS/morphing/dmorph10.zip eep. Now that I went and looked that up, I realize that that must be a new, non-beta release. Hmm. I'll have to get it myself and see what's changed... Well, I'd better end this diversion here since I have a program due myself in 2.5 hours and then that's it. No more classes. I'd better get back to it so I can get to reading the 150 messages sitting in my mailbox, impatiently waiting to be read. bob -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@lobby.ti.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 23:20:15 +0200 Subject: Another week, another post Let me start by saying: Thanks, woj! Last weekend, I went to see "Hedningarna" as per woj's recommendation of their album. Such luck, this was their first visit in Norway, and it was only a fortnight after woj brought them to my attention :-) They were really good, playing lots of old and odd string instruments, all electric. The electric mandolin was particularily impressive, it was used as a bass guitar and as a solo guitar. In one song dedicated to Jimi Hendrix he really worked that fuzz box :-) Other instruments of note was a bag pipe and a mic'ed coffee mill! The latter produces some extraordinary eerie sounds. Their music is basically folk with modern treatment, well worth checking out. Re: sexuality. Clearly, homo-sexuality is against nature, but who cares if you're happy? :-) The "confessions" column of the last "Det Nye" is about a girl who has fallen madly in love with another (unattainable) girl. She has a boyfriend that respects her desires. All nice and well, but she fears discovering that she's a lesbian, because then she'll have to "take the consequences". To me, that is absurd. She is who she is whether she calls herself lesbian, hetero or bi. Re: ecto-supermind Re: brni's extortionate PG-tickets: Those ticket agents sound like a black market. However, I think money *should* be able to buy you a good place, although seats are real mood killers at concerts such as these. Re: Reese's peanut buttercups: I swapped Norwegian candies for American with an acquaintance in Texas. Reese's Peanutbutter Cups were my favourite! Yummy! I love the salt and sweet mixed together. Does anyone wish to experience true Norwegian milk chocolate (mmm!) in exchange for some buttercups? :-) Re: Miranda Sex Garden: I can't remember if anyone answered this already, but yes, "Bring down the sky" is on "Suspiria". Be warned though that most of the other tracks on the album are much more noisy. I'm a noise buff, so I love it :-) Re: Paul Harvey: Who is he, and why would the story about the guinea pig infuriate Natalie? Please enlighten a foreigner! Re: film endings: That's the one area Hollywood very seldom get right. I abhor happy endings, I really do. In 90% of the cases they seems so tacked on! Some sample good endings: "Easy Rider", "Blade Runner" (dir. cut), "Thelma & Louise" (generally any Ridley Scott movie ;-) "Apocalypse Now". Re: British humour: You can't say Monty Python is typical of British humour! Take rather a look at "Yes, Prime Minister" or P.G.Wodehouse. I'm a fan of the really really dry British humour, and am only moderately amused by Monty Python. "Jabberwocky" in particular is decidedly very unfunny, sorry, Anthony :-) Re: Catherine Zeta Jones: I would think "The darling buds of May" has been shown in many countries, at least it deserves to. Such a warm series without getting overly sentimental (unlike "I'll fly away"). The British _really_ knows how to make television. Of course, any film or series feautring Catherine Zeta Jones is well worth seeing on that basis alone. Aahhh :-) And no, Evan, you're not posting too much, IMHO. Kjetil T. (a true britophile) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)