Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1056 ecto, Number 1056 Thursday, 24 March 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Sarah Concert Report: Philadelphia The Kate Bush Convention + piano blurb Re: piano blurb Hellys & thanks Re: piano blurb Re: piano blurb Re: piano blurb Re: piano blurb Re: piano blurb Re: piano blurb I just got my first Happy album a while ago... a big thank you! Re: The Kate Bush Convention + KateCon & Ecto Party Confirmed Toffee apples?? ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 21:16:43 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Lovejoy Subject: Sarah Concert Report: Philadelphia Welcome Mr. and Ms. Ectophile and all the ships at sea: FLASH! Stunning concert rocks sleeply Glenside, PA. Seems a certain songstress popped a whammy on the audience at the Keswick last night. As has been reported from other correspondents in these pages, Sarah McLachlan was nothing short of suberb in a wonderous concert. What can I say? It was delicious, Watson! First off, What A Band! Sarah has assembled some top calibre musicians here. As a bassist, I've always loved Brian's work with her, and seeing/hearing him was great. His live sound is markedly different than the recorded sound, as there was a prodigious amount of Deep Bass in the EQ. However, it was very cleaned and defined. It was also good to see a bass player using the rubato technique; he really sang! Of course, the other musicians/ singers were also blessed with talent & chops! Ah, but Sarah! What a voice! She and her band performed one of the most satisfyingly *musical* concerts since Happy's Harrison Auditorium show. There were new and extended arrangements of songs from all three albums. Sorry not to have seen any other 'philes there; this was a dream concert for folks on this list. I strongly urge anyone who still has a chance to see this tour to do so at once! The Devlins opened the show with 45 minutes of quite mellow rock. They did not set off any passionate fires in the audience, but my wife and I enjoyed their music quite a lot. It's basically simple progressions and strong melodic line songs, very well performed. A nice opening act. For Meth's benefit, the concert began at 8pm. Sarah took the stage at about 9:15 and played till about 10:45. She said she was going to play all the songs from FTE but we didn't get our Ice Cream!!! (sigh...) There were one or two other songs that were on the set list previously posted that were not played, but I feel we got more than our money's worth. It was an excellent concert. Lots of dramatic "moments". Go!!! Bob, fumbling towards the send button... PS Don Gibson (Is that a famous name?) - I passed on your info to Happy's manager. Thanks for writing. I'm in Cherry Hill, near Philly, by the way. Columbus is about 20 min. north of here. In New Jersey parlance, I'm exit 4 and Columbus is exit 7. Should you wish to get together, drop me a line! PPS - New Brunswick, the Home of Ecto, and woj and footah, is exit 9. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 21:30:38 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: The Kate Bush Convention + This was in rec.music.gaffa a short while ago. I have comments at the end concerning Happy. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Article 15659 (17 more) in rec.music.gaffa (moderated): Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 17:45:15 -0500 From: s0pdfm@assam.exnet.com (P D Fitzgerald-Morris) Subject: HOMEGROUND FLASH - 1994 Kate Bush Convention Organization: ExNet Public-Access News, London, UK +44 81 244 0077 H H GGGGGGG HHHHHHH H HHHH HHHHHHH H H H H G H H H H H H H HHHHHHH G GG HHH H HHHHHH HHHHHHH HHHHHHHH H H G G H H H H H H H H H GGGGGGG H HHHHHHH H H HHHHHHH H H ****************************************************************** * AN URGENT HOMEGROUND NEWSFLASH DIRECT FROM HOMEGROUND TOWERS * ****************************************************************** KBC/HOMEGROUND ***************************** * KATE BUSH CONVENTION 1994 * ***************************** Including a screening of THE LINE, THE CROSS AND THE CURVE Sunday 8th May 1994 The Hippodrome Leicester Square London WC2 1.00 pm to Midnight We are pleased to announce the details of the 1994 Kate Bush Convention. Following the 1990 Convention in Hammersmith, we hope that this will be the biggest and best event to date. Apart from showing Kate's film, the day will feature loads of rare video, including a new interview filmed in Canada in which Kate talks at length about the film and the album. There will also be a mastermind quiz that everyone can take part in, ** live music from fans ** and brand new merchandise that will be available for the first time at the convention. The event will end with the largest Kate inspired disco/party ever held. Everything you need to know about the day will be included with your tickets. Tickets are 8.00 pounds each. To get yours please fill in the form below and return with a large SAE or two IRCs to: CONVENTION TICKETS, POBox 176, Orpington, Kent, BR5 3NA, England Please make all payments in pounds sterling. If you really cannot, then we will accept local currency notes (i.e. dollar bills) but you must add 7.5% for conversion costs. We will not accept cheques and POs in foreign currency. "IT'S REALLY HAPPENING TO YAH!" ===================================================================== Please send me .........tickets @ 8.00 pounds each Name................................................................. Address.............................................................. ..................................................................... ..................................................................... If you are interested in performing at the convention, please include your telephone number and some details of what you would like to do. As part of the convention we are compiling a definitive top 50 chart of Kate tracks. In order to do this we need your top 10 Kate tracks listed in order from 1 to 10 with this ticket application. Thanks! HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH H Peter FitzGerald-Morris H H GGGGGGG "Have H H direct from H H G the walls H H HOMEGROUND TOWERS HHHHHHH G GG got H H now via H H G G ears H H s0pdfm@exnet.co.uk H H GGGGGGG here...?" H H H H HOMEGROUND - THE INTERNATIONAL KATE BUSH FANZINE H H PO Box 176 Orpington BR5 3NA Kent England H HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "If you are interested in performing at the convention...." :-( :-( :-( I wish I were rich. If I were, not only would Chris and I be going, I'd pay for Happy and Kevin's way too. Chris and I (as well as many of you) went to the last KB convention in 1990, and I thought then what a shame it was that Happy couldn't have been there, performing. Well, not just performing. After all, they're both *HUGE* Kate fans, so they would have enjoyed the whole thing. Still, I pictured Happy up on the stage, blowing everybody away...it was sad to think that she wasn't there. Well, at the very least, I got Greg Bossert (footah!) and Justin Bur interested in Happy on that trip. I can't remember if I forced Happy down anyone else's throat :-). I actually called their house to tell them about the convention, now that the date is firmed up, but they weren't home. I'll try again, because they should at least *know* about it. I doubt they'd have the money to go though, and that's why I wish I were rich. Can you imagine a better place for her to sing? :-) :-) :-) Shall we start a "Send Happy to England" fund? :-) :-) :-) It's *real* iffy as to Chris and I going. The last time Chris went down to Kansas City to work, it was specifically to earn money to go to England, but then the date got munch, the money got spent on less important things (rent, food, telephone) and now we're back to square one. i.e. broke city. Hmmm, we have two Tori concert tickets and a YKTR.....:-) (HA! JUST KIDDING!) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 21:54:10 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (something shakespeare never said) Subject: piano blurb in light of recent discussion of this movie, i thought that the following quip might be of some amusement: >Hollywood, California: > >About the Oscars... > >Young Anna Paquin revealed she hadn't yet seen the >whole movie for which she won because "The Piano" has >nude scenes. > >When will she? > >Said Dad: "In New Zealand it has an R-16 rating...so >we'll let it stand at that." +woj ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Re: piano blurb Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 20:08:56 -0800 (PST) woj remarks: > >Young Anna Paquin revealed she hadn't yet seen the > >whole movie for which she won because "The Piano" has > >nude scenes. That's an interesting point, really. I mean, the Piano has far more than nude scenes. It has graphic sexuality, it has a violent assault (also reasonably graphic) and on top of it all a lot of painful psychological stuff that's hard for adults to deal with, let alone ten year-olds, I'm sure. So what's the role of the filmmaker in this? You want to make a movie that has kids in it because it's realistic and whatnot, but if the film deals with some of the harsher aspects of reality do you try and shield the child actors from that? Usually filmmakers do, it seems. If you see a scene in a movie where an adult yells abusively at a small child (say, Short Cuts) the scenes are obviously not shot in sequence - the adult is often shown yelling downwards, and then there's a separate reaction cutaway. But it does seem weird when the kid doesn't even get to see the film that they had a major part in creating. Frankly, I think it was *terrible* to award the academy award to such a young child. I can't imagine her life is going to be anything approximating normal after that. How the hell can you go through life living up to such a high-profile award? But then what do I know about the weird life of child stars? - Neil (still somewhat amused by the sight of a whole crowd of extras dressed up as US state troopers and Oregon-plated police cars with flashing lights on campus today by the bus stop. Apparently they were shooting the pilot for some TV show starring Mr. Don Johnson, though he wasn't in attendance for this minor scene. They were shooting a scene in which a woman is being lead away in handcuffs. It sorta looked like the Oregon police had decided to extend their legal jurisdiction kind of a loooong way north...) -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 0:05:14 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Hellys & thanks Hellos & hellays to the new and delurked Ectophiles who have been posting. DVinson & Michael Pearce, I *really* enjoyed your "found Happiness" posts from a while back. I'm a sucker for those things :-) Tell me you like Happy and you're a friend for life! (Yeah, I'm easy) Doug, I also wanted to 'specially thank you for the reviews you've been writing. I always enjoy them and I save them too. In your Over The Rhine review, you said they remind you of someone but you couldn't think who. Do you have any Innocence Mission albums perhaps...? I love the OTR album too, and it seems to me that they've been very much influenced by The Innocence Mission. Not that OTR are ripping off IM, any more than Happy "rips off" Kate. But the influence is definitely there. Since Dalbello has been brought up recently again, I thought I'd add a tidbit that I hven't seen mentioned. On Dalbello's album "WhoManFourSays" the very most wonderful lettering (the title of the album on the cover, the entire back and all the lyrics) is all done by the very most wonderful Mary Margaret O'Hara. The CD is worth getting for the music (I don't have the CD yet though) but, if you can find it, the *LP* is worth getting just for the cover and Mary's unusual and interesting hand-lettering. I do have the LP and I wouldn't part with it for anything. While I'm at it, I have a question for DalBello fans who might know something about her... I have an album by DalBello from 1981, called "Drastic Measures" and she is still known as "Lisa Dal Bello" and hadn't gotten weird yet. I think I've talked about this album before (it's her "YKTR" except it's more disco-y) but what I wanted to ask was, who is Y. Dal Bello? Many of the songs are credited as being written by "L. & Y. Dal Bello" so does anyone have a clue about Y? I ask because the one song that I really *really* like ("Dr. Noble") is by the two of them. (side note: some of the other songs are credited to "L. Dal Bello & B. Adams" and I wonder if that's Canada's disowned son Bryan.) (Hmmm, wonder if any Bryan Adams or Lisa Dal Bello fans would buy this for the price of a plane ticket.....:-)) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 1:05:15 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: piano blurb NeIl writes: > Frankly, I think it was *terrible* to award the academy award to such > a young child. I can't let this one go by, sorry. What do mean *terrible*???? Why on earth why? If she deserves it (and, though I was rooting for Rosie perez, I was *very* happy for Anna) then why not? Just because of her age? IMO, that's a *bad* reason, because it's an insult to her talents and what she brought to the film role. > I can't imagine her life is going to be anything > approximating normal after that. How the hell can you go through life > living up to such a high-profile award? But then what do I know about > the weird life of child stars? Neil, I don't mean for this to sound like a flame, but it's true, you don't know anything about child stars, how "weird" their lives may or may not be, and most of all, you don't know anything about Anna Paquin. Before you lump Anna into some nebulous category along with whatever other child stars you may be thinking of, please know that Anna is different. This is what I know (and I'm sure Philip can add details or correct me, since Anna's from his hometown): Anna was a schoolgirl who had only acted once before, and that was a minor part in a school play, when she heard that director Jane Campion was casting for a little girl. She tried out for "The Piano" and won the role over the 4999 other little girls who auditioned. Anna not only had to act the role, she also learned sign language and how to put on a Scottish accent. Now, people who know sign language and Scottish accents can say if she did a good job or not, but she was a central character in the film and since actors/actresses choose the nominations, her professional, seasoned peers thought she was good enough to nominate her. Why she got enough votes from the general voting Academy is anyone's guess (mine is that Winona and Rosie cancelled each other out, and Holly and Emma cancelled each other out, besides Anna being good enough to vote for) but she did win and I'm glad. I suppose that one of my main reasons for being glad was just her reaction. It was an *instant* Oscar classic, one that will be talked about and shown over and over throughout the years. She'll become more famous for her reaction than for "The Piano" :-) I understand a concern for her life after the award, but I've read that her parents are down-to-earth and stable and won't let her get too big-headed, plus that Anna herself isn't interested in acting anymore. She said in interviews that she missed her friends and family during the filming of the movie and has no interest in doing it again. My guess is that the hoopla will die down and she'll be back to normal very quickly. I thought I heard that she and her father went directly back to New Zealand after the Oscar ceremony. Philip can fill us in on the hoopla back in Wellington. The point is, Anna isn't a typical "Hollywood Kid" such as, say, Tatum O'Neal, who won the Oscar when she was 10 (I believe) and trying to "live up to" the award won't be a consideration with her going back to Wellinton, New Zealand to school and family and friends. You shouldn't worry about her, and mostly, you shouldn't say tht it's "terrible" that she won an award she was certainly deserving of. (Ok, I shouldn't say "shouldn't"...obviously, you can say anything you want. I just disagree with you, that's all.) Another thing, we always hear about the Hollywood kids gone bad (and yeah, there are quite a few) but there are far more that *don't* have problems such as drugs or whatever as they're growing up. You don't hear much about the Hollywood kids gone good, because that's not news and you won't see them on the talk show or the covers of tabloids. MHO is that, in any segment of society, be it inner city ghetto or Hollywood kiddom, there are all kinds of kids, and they handle whatever stresses and pressures in whatever way they're capable. A lot has to do with parenting, and what sort of basic foundation they have, but it's not a pat answer, because bad kids can come from good parents and good kids can come from bad parents. It is easier to get good kids from good parents, and in Anna's case, I think she has a solid background and parental foundation (unlike poor, IMO, Macauly Culkin) and she'll be just fine. Btw, lest anyone think I'm a "The Piano" nut who has to defend anything regarding the film, I'll admit I haven't seen it yet. Everything I say is just based on what I've read, seen and thought about. Vickie (who will, honestly, really and truly, see "The Piano" asap) ======================================================================== From: Ron Hogan Subject: Re: piano blurb Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 22:12:03 -0800 (PST) Neil has this to say about Anna Paquin: -> Frankly, I think it was *terrible* to award the academy award to such -> a young child. I can't imagine her life is going to be anything -> approximating normal after that. How the hell can you go through life -> living up to such a high-profile award? But then what do I know about -> the weird life of child stars? Well, Anna Paquin seems to have considered this a one-shot deal (apart from the MCI spots). She's said before that she has no plans to act again, and nothing that she said backstage at the Oscars gave inidcation that that might change. And let's face it -- out of the five, she was the best. Holly Hunter was great in THE PIANO, not in THE FIRM. Emma Thompson wasn't in IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER long enough. Winona? Puh-leese. Rosie Perez was the only one that was giving Paquin a serious contribution in terms of the overall contribution to the film in which the candidate was nominated. Except that Perez should have been nominated for ACTRESS. She wasn't supporting anybody's ass in that film. But that's just my take. ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Re: piano blurb Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 22:39:24 -0800 (PST) > I can't let this one go by, sorry. What do mean *terrible*???? Why on > earth why? If she deserves it (and, though I was rooting for Rosie > perez, I was *very* happy for Anna) then why not? Just because of her > age? IMO, that's a *bad* reason, because it's an insult to her talents > and what she brought to the film role. Well I suppose my opinion on this particular subject is skewed by the fact that I personally don't consider the winning of an academy award to be particularly indicative of talent or ability. I also think that the way the media often seem both to lionize and savage high-profile people to be deeply unfortunate, and that I doubt that the sort of media attention focused upon the winner of an academy award is likely to be healthy for that individual, particularly if that person is a young child who is still very much in the process of defining him or herself. That's all. :) - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Mar 94 22:57:31 PST From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Re: piano blurb I saw _The Piano_ recently, and although I would agree that Oscars don't always correlate well with talent, Anna Paquin was certainly a deserving recipient of the award. Hopefully, just living in New Zealand will keep her geographically isolated from the worst media circus activity; that she and her parents have a down-to-earth attitude about it will probably do more to keep her safe. While the decision is up to her parents of whether Anna Paquin should see the movie she starred in, I didn't think the nudity or violence in _The Piano_ would be the kind of thing to scar young minds, since the movie's portrayal was sensitive and realistic. So how did Anna Paquin react to winning her award? I wasn't home for most of the show, and I probably wouldn't have watched it all had I been home. ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 19:24:36 +1200 Subject: Re: piano blurb Ron Ron'd: > Well, Anna Paquin seems to have considered this a one-shot deal (apart > from the MCI spots). She's said before that she has no plans to act > again, and nothing that she said backstage at the Oscars gave inidcation > that that might change. This appears true for the time being... She has had *five* offers of other roles since The Piano, and all have been turned down as far as I know... Certainly her family is being extremely cautious about the whole thing... Philip (who thought Anna's speech was definitely one of the better ones he's seen at such occasions... :) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 23:38:20 -0800 (PST) From: David Dixon Subject: Re: piano blurb On Wed, 23 Mar 1994, Neil K. Guy wrote: > Frankly, I think it was *terrible* to award the academy award to such > a young child. I can't imagine her life is going to be anything > approximating normal after that. How the hell can you go through life > living up to such a high-profile award? But then what do I know about > the weird life of child stars? Well, Tatum O'Neal hasn't held up any video stores that I know of. Jodie Foster's handled her early stardom very well. Some people can cope and some people can't. I think Anna will do just fine. D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 23:54:31 -0800 (PST) From: By-Tor Blackwing <96aander@ultrix.uor.edu> Subject: I just got my first Happy album a while ago... ...and boy, are my arms tired. I got _Rearmament_ at the Newport Beach Virgin "Megastore". They have all her CDs...cool! I chose Rearmament because I didn't know that "No one Here" was on Rhodes II -- I'd forgotten the song's title, but I really wanted to get it. Oh well, next time. (Virgin had this GREAT folk section, which is where she was...lots of Steeleye Span and Pentacle...They even had CD-I games and Video-CDs in another part of the store[no cd32 stuff though, I was bummed]. This place was big and well stocked!) Anyhow...my initial impression is: Kinda cool. Sorry, that's all. Is it the album? I was expecting a bit more is all. By-Tor Blackwing, Slayer of Dozens Windoze Error #56: Operator fell asleep while waiting. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 01:16:02 -0800 (PST) From: SUZANNE S WEISS Subject: a big thank you! greetings! just wanted to say thanks to Jeff W (aka jane_fan)! he's was sooooo wonderful to us! he gave me and my friend a place to crash tuesday night after the tori concert! it was my first meeting with anyone on ecto and on the net. because he's soooo wonderful and it went soooo well... I don't think I'll be shy in meeting others (I can be *really* bashful at times!). also wanted to say hello again to neal, jeff, suzanne, and revvie! it was great meeting you all! ecto really has some wonderful humans! well... I need to run.... agian *HUGS* to jeff for letting us stay with him! suzanne dreaming@nevada.edu PS: oh... did any of you want a TRS poster? I've a few left.... send me snailmail addresses and some postage... I've got some tubes. PSS: we've a 2nd bedroom so if anyone need a place to crash in vegas... our door is always open! just give us a couple of days to clean up! PSSS: are there any other vegas ectophiles? or am I the only one? ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 10:26:17 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: The Kate Bush Convention + At 9:30 pm 23/3/94 -0500, WretchAwry wrote: >:-) :-) :-) Shall we start a "Send Happy to England" fund? :-) :-) :-) > >It's *real* iffy as to Chris and I going. The last time Chris went down >to Kansas City to work, it was specifically to earn money to go to England, >but then the date got munch, the money got spent on less important things >(rent, food, telephone) and now we're back to square one. i.e. broke city. Maybe what we really need is a "Send Chris 'n' Vickie to England" fund! An ecto equivalent to the Trans-Atlantic Fan Fund! Only half :-) -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** We tried to add it all up and got merely sunrise. *** *** Try putting that in a letter to someone in exile. *** ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 10:05:58 GMT From: GTP10@phx.cam.ac.uk Subject: KateCon & Ecto Party Confirmed Readers of r.m.gaffa/love-hounds will now know that the Kate Bush Convention 1994 has now been confirmed for Sunday 8th May, so I am pleased to also confirm the proposed Ecto Party chez moi in Cambridge on Saturday 7th May (and Friday 6th May for early arrivals). Here is a repeat of some of the salient information from my previous postings on this subject: I can accommodate a number of people in relative comfort at my home (and many more if floor space will suffice) and can probably prevail upon other Cambridge Ectophiles to offer spare beds etc. It takes an hour by train from Cambridge to central London, so getting to the Convention on Sunday shouldn't be too arduous a journey. Cambridge is reachable from all three London airports by bus/coach. The journey takes 3 hours from Gatwick, 2 hours from Heathrow and 45 minutes from Stansted. The main Cambridge bus depot is a couple of minutes walk from my home (I live pretty centrally). You can also do the journey by train (via London) but it's probably only quicker for arrivals at Gatwick. (It may also be possible to arrange to meet people at airports depending on arrival times etc.) So, once more, who's up for this? Geoff Parks PS I would be happy to obtain tickets for the Konvention for attendees from overseas (Homeground strongly prefer payment in sterling). We can sort reimbursement that weekend. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Mar 94 13:22:39 EWT From: Ilka Heber Subject: Toffee apples?? Hi there, first of all, thanks again for the people who posted about Concrete Blonde, that was very kind of you!! = ) Now another challenge for the fuzzy blue mailing list: I tried to find out from RDT how to make Toffee apples, but nobody ever replied. As I know that this list is totally different and very special just like everybody on this list I thought I try again here. Please mail me privately, if you know the answer to this highly important question. Thanks everybody!! Ilka = ) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)