Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1048 ecto, Number 1048 Thursday, 17 March 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* In case of fire .... an oft o'erlooked CD source & miscellany Letters, we get letters... and other stories best buy Clipper translation Re: In case of fire .... bits of tid prego that dog T-shirts Re: deep down inside me... Saying a temporary goodbye argh! Re: Sam Phillips posters ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 13:56:08 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: In case of fire .... Last month, a friend's house burnt down. He and his family all were fine, but pretty much everything was destroyed. He recently returned to work, and I had my first e-mail from him. He says: My insurance allows me to buy replacements for all my records/CDs or take their cash value. SInce old records have virtually zero value, I will probably opt ot rebuy all my music. That implies one cool visit to the recored store to pick out about 300 CDs. Got any good ideas? I am in a position to make a real statement with my choices and possibly affect the global music market as well. Can you imagine going into a store and picking out 300 discs! What an amazing shopping spree. DO you think suggesting 100 Happy discs is enough? Neal ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:10:36 -0500 From: "Andy Wee/(419) 634-0410" Subject: an oft o'erlooked CD source & miscellany ok ectophiles, just thought I'd let you know about Best Buy, it's a electronics superstore type of chain, altho they stock aisles & aisles & aisles of CDs as well. I know for a fact that there were about 20,000 different titles (at least) at the toledo, oh, branch that i've been buying my CDs from...almost everything there costs 11.99 and they do have some special offers on their monthly features i bought ecto there for 11.99 (though i didnt and should have bought equipoise as well)...i talked to one of the people who worked there and he briefly told me their buying policy...they basically buy CDs buy the trailerload and get a couple of thousand at a time...no they don't special order and they typically get about 10 of the same title at once...why am I spewing all these garbage... well, simply because they had 2 HR titles in stock and they had a copy of just about every single hard-to-find, obscure artist on this list...and at 11.99 as well...so if you're in your friendly neighbourhood Best Buy...check out their CD section...their titles fluctuate from week to week and they don't ever really order anything specific...just good prices all the time...there's also a branch in chicago on 1000 W North Ave if i'm not mistaken...hope i don't get flamed for this post.... second item of business...Musicians being featured on late night talk shows... i wonder why leno, letterman, conan and some of the others even bother signing on musical guests, i mean they're pretty funny and fill up the wee hours of the morning...but what is the point of having belly, juliana hatfield on to do just 1 song???? I admit Tori's appearance on Leno was pretty good, the god/baker baker set was worth the wait...but lately the hosts have been wasting time... figure leno talking to geena davis for 10mins about her tattoo and giving JH time to do just one song...I don't know...i guess if someone is making me put up with their lame jokes at midnight, they had better make it worth my while.. guess i'll shut up and go back to my corner now.... andy awee@austin.onu.edu (i still remember leno telling tori, "nice songs..." after she finished her set. sorry to take up bandwidth... ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:16:58 CST From: Subject: Letters, we get letters... and other stories After minimal reflection, I have concluded that mItchELL aLdEN pravatINEr is as one with Holly and Brian WRT sharing letters with Neile's name :-). WRT Andy's paean to the prices at Best Buy: For the benefit and use of those who still want to throw their business to independent retailers, Chicagoans, at least, may have one more way to have their cake and eat it too. Today I happened on a store called The Inside Track, on Armitage a half block or so west of Halsted, where the average everyday price of a CD seems to be $12.99 or so, for the same stuff that goes for 2 or 3 dollars more at the chains. Over the weekend, at one of the aforesaid big chains, I noticed that the Spring issue of the Schwann Catalog has a cover story on Tori. I didn't read it carefully, but it seems to have as positive a slant as any. Folk_music is still discussing that minor problem of ours that I ran by them. Perhaps we can bask in some reflected glory from what one commentator said about F_M in that thread: >Re yur query. Let 'em all on. If they don't like what people say >about them, let them take heed. Actally, I suspect this crowd will >be very benign. It's not *flamer* city like some of the rok forums... Mitch ======================================================================== From: lakrahn@inst.augie.edu (Laurel) Subject: best buy Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:36:15 +22293638 (CST) I also would recommend shopping for cd's and other such things at Best Buy... they even have a "Superstore" near my home in Minnesota... .thousands and thousands and thousands of cd's... at decent prices. Drool. They even have an import section at some of their stores. I found the Tori Amos Winter Lim Ed, the UK Cornflake Girl reg, the China single, and the more common SATY single.... all at Best Buy... in the last month or so. Made me happy... decent prices, too. - Laurel Krahn - Box 88141 - Sioux Falls, SD - 57105-8141 - (605)336-4468 - - aka: lakrahn@inst.augie.edu - ar008@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu - /sethra - - "Have pity now, what's signal and what's noise?" - Emma Bull - ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:26:36 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Lovejoy Subject: Clipper translation Hello ecto! Our translations are in, and I'd like to thank everyone who has sent them. It's wonderful to get all this response. Happy will have a few versions from which to choose. Thanks again! Dirk, I'm glad to have gone public with this. The great responses we received give Happy a lot of alternatives! Phillip's phillipic asks: >I was wondering what people's feelings are on cross posting musical >information about people who now have their own lists (such as fte >and siblings)... I for one don't mind, I've been made aware of so much great music here. Bring on the deluge! For example: The recent clipper chip controversy - For your consumptive pleasure, this came in from the mini-JIR (Journal of Irreproducable Results): ---------------------------------------------- 1994-03-04 Clipper Chip Envelope, Initiative, and Economics CLIPPER CHIP ENVELOPE Soon the government-mandated Clipper Chip secret-code-decoder will be installed in every piece of US electronic communications equipment. Criminals might then try to send their coded messages via traditional mail. Against that possibility, we are now applying Clipper Chip protection to paper mail. Our Clipper Chip Envelope automatically reads and decodes any paper enclosed in it. The Clipper Chip Envelope consists of a standard paper envelope with an installed optical scanner and microprocessor, optical character recognition software, a passive transmitter, and a Clipper Chip. The whole mechanism is the size and value of a fingernail clipping. Ee-way are-ay aking-may is-thay echnology-tay available-ay oo-tay any-ay official-ay agency-ay ich-way an-cay ecode-day is-they essage-may, free of charge. CLIPPER CHIP INTERNATIONAL SCIENCE INITIATIVE The Society for Basic Irreproducible Research (SBIR) strongly supports the basic Clipper Chip requirement. Oxymoronically, it will cause US encryption research to quickly lag behind that of other countries. We see this as a boost to the international science community, which has suffered so long from the domination of US researchers in too many fields. CLIPPER CHIP ECONOMICS An historical note: It was we who performed the economic analysis for the government's Clipper Chip decision. Decoding requires too much mathematical effort and talent, a considerable expense even during the current mathematicians glut. With declining math skills in the US, the cost of encryption research can be expected to rise further. In the long run, it will be much cheaper to bribe appropriate officials in the countries that do continue to perform research. ----------------------------------------------------------- Apologies to Jeff, as it wasn't Happy-related but was part of a recent thread-that-may-not-have-been-a-thread-but-may-have-been-a-loose- fibre-or-perhaps-something-the-dog-bought-in. Anyway, that's it for now. Thanks for all the translations again; they have been sent to the Home Office in Brooklyn (no kidding!) from where they'll fly to Happy. If she has more questions, she'll contact the people involved directly or through the net. I shall return. Gen. Bob MacLovejoy ======================================================================== Subject: Re: In case of fire .... Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 19:02:26 CST From: Larry Spence Neal writes: > Last month, a friend's house burnt down. He and his family all were fine, but > pretty much everything was destroyed. He recently returned to work, and I > had my first e-mail from him. He says: > > My insurance allows me to buy replacements for all my records/CDs or take > their cash value. SInce old records have virtually zero value, I will > probably opt ot rebuy all my music. That implies one cool visit to the > recored store to pick out about 300 CDs. Got any good ideas? You'll be doing him a big favor by suggesting that he mail order as much as possible -- I occasionally buy a "gotta have it right now" release at full retail in a store, but the idea of overpaying $1-5 per disc (plus local sales tax) on 300 CDs at one time... _ouch_. Try Noteworthy for the more mainstream stuff, and EAR/Rational or some other "alternative" operation for the harder to find ones. As far as making an impact with his purchase, he might go to the nearest Big Chain Store and mention to the manager that he's buying $X,000 of CDs by mail order because (a) the store's prices are too high and (b) their selection is lousy. Unless he's lucky enough to have a local store with great selection and all prices below $13 (incl tax).... maybe if he tells them he wants to buy 300 discs, they'll cut him a discount. He can at least make them aware that some people are willing to use mail order to get around the ridiculous retail prices most stores charge. - Larry ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 21:56:35 -0500 (EST) From: "Sarah A. Tigay" Subject: bits of tid Hey all... An interesting note, in today's "Michigan Daily" (U-Mich's newspaper) I was doing the crossword and noticed that for yesterday's puzzle one of the answers was "ECTO". Too bad I couldn't find a copy of yesterday's paper, because it really got me wondering if Happy truly could have made it to the crossword, or if perhaps they were referring to the Ghostbusters ectoplasm or something. (or does ecto mean something that I'm not aware of?) And today on the radio I heard a very mixed and somewhat extended version of Sarah's "Possession". I prefer the original, but it was interesting to hear, especially on the radio. Catch you all later... --Sarah (perhaps the only ectophile whose name does not contain the letters in Neil, Neal, Neile, or even Neale) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ | \ / / S A R A H A N N E T I G A Y | "We thought it was all over \/ \ s t i g a y @ u m i c h . e d u | But it wasn't...it hadn't -- / Ann Arbor, MI | started yet." -Kate Bush /\ | | / \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ ======================================================================== Date: 16 Mar 94 22:01:26 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: prego Suzanne Vega is pregnant. Is she married? Enquiring dufus boy gots to know... -dufusboy ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 22:51:44 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (the king of spain) Subject: that dog Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) sez: >I think this album is just plain bad, almost laughably so in places. >Has anyone else heard this? Does anyone *like* it? i picked up a copy of this a few weeks ago (promo) and have heard it a couple times. i haven't really listened to it but i wasn't repulsed by it or anything. then again, i liked casey scott's _creep city_, which i'd place in the same genereal category, a whole lot and no one else seemed to (evidence by the huge numbers of said album in local used bins). that dog's album is on geffen in america, but is being licensed by guernica records in england (guess ivo and i have at least a couple similarities in taste, huh? ;) +woj ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 22:03:24 GMT From: johnh@astro.as.utexas.edu (John Higdon) Subject: T-shirts Vickie says: A T-shirt, designed by Happy, is also available directly from Aural Gratification. Price and postage are the same as one CD ($13.99+) The shirts are light blue. On the front, as featured in the booklet for the Equipoise CD, is the drawing (by Happy) of the dove with the wings of a bat. It's in black. Underneath, in violet, is written HAPPY RHODES. On the back, lyrics from the song "He Will Come": The fog breaks and she is there wandering on the jagged cliffs The fortress comes in view as he descends to meet her kiss Gabrielle dancing on the rocks He will come for you He will come again The shirts are 50% Cotton, 50% Polyester.... (thanks, Scott Zimmerman) Hey! When did this come about? I always thought that I was a relatively informed person, but here Vickie springs me with a surprise. Has this information been posted before? Or has there been some sort of conspiracy to keep such information out of the hands of the many? I think we should have a trial. Who'll be the judge, and who'll be the jurors? The only requirement will be that they must wear a Happy T-shirt to all proceedings. John H. (Who will immediately be sending away for his shirt, so that he may play the hanging judge.) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:01:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ectophiles Guide Subject: Re: deep down inside me... Holly sez: > ...I'm a Ne(a)(i)l(e) too, with a little rearranging. > > HoLLy JEANEttE TomINAck All right you guys, I can't resist. I'm going to let you in on a little secret. When I was born I was supposed to be Neil if I was a boy, but I wasn't so my parents named me Nancy EILEen. When I started sending my poems out for publication I decided I didn't like the name Nancy Graham, and decide to create a pseudonym. I though about all the usual variations like N.E. Graham (but decided I didn't want to be just "any" Graham) and N. Eileen Graham, but I was never much enamoured of Eileen either, so I decided I'd be Neile Graham (on one early occasion I even spelled it with an apostrophe). Neile anyway, girl or not--and after all, it was in my name. Anyway, when my poems started to sell it got complicated signing rights away and all, and it was considered pretentious to have a pseudonym for poetry. So I changed my name legally. At first I wasn't going to ask anyone to call me Neile, but gradually I got to like it and soon even my parents were calling me Neile. My mother confessed that she should have switched my sister's and my names. Anyway, it's been so long that I don't even think about myself as Nancy. So there you have it. Now you all know how very odd I am. If I'd thought about it a little more I would have spelled it differently so that no one would call me Nelly or Neiley, but c'est la vie. It's weird enough to change your name once, I couldn't stand doing it twice. Which is one of the many explanations of why I didn't take Jim's last name. Oh, and a few years ago I discovered there is at least one other woman whose name is "Neile"--Steve McQueen's first wife. She even pronounces it the same way I do. I'd love to find out where she got _her_ name. :) --Neile (her name was McGill, she called herself Neile, but everyone knew her as Nancy--or at least they used to). neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 23:32:42 -0600 From: iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu Subject: Saying a temporary goodbye I guess the subject says it. I'm not going to be around for the next 2 weeks, so I'm saying a temporary goodbye. Now it's off to a relaxing (hah!) vacation in Atlanta, Washington DC and New Jersey (including the Sarah NYC concert on my birthday!). I won't have daily e-mail access, so ecto will be too much for me to handle. :( I hope everyone going to the Chicago Tori show has a great time. Bye! ==> valerie ============================================================================ iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu "Patience, Iago. He was obviously less than worthy." -- Jafar "Am I in heaven here or am I in hell? At the crossroads I am standing." --Sarah McLachlan ============================================================================ ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 00:08:57 -0500 (EST) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: argh! Hi! Ooooh, I wish I had a tape deck... I mentioned KUNI previously, and they have the World Cafe on every night from 10 PM to midnight. Well, since it's fundraising week they've got the special 1994 fundraising series of World Cafe episodes to run, which consist of the best live performances from the past year or so. So far tonight alone I've heard Suzanne Vega do "Men In A War", Heidi Berry do "One String Violin", The Story are doing "So Much Mine" right now.... I've heard a lot of bitching about how stupid some people think it is that World Cafe is distributed nationwide at the cost of potentially locally produced programming, and I had thought I agreed until I came out here to Iowa. There really isn't any other way for folks out here to hear this stuff on the radio, and judging by how much money they're making on it tonight, it's much appreciated. And dammit, I want WSHU to pick it up again! They dropped it almost a year ago in favor of a (boring and uninspired) locally produced folk music show, and since then I've missed Happy, Kate, Sarah, and am about to miss Tori, not to mention all these other great perforances I'm hearing snippets of tonight. I wonder if I could singlehandedly convince my local station to pick this show up again... doubt it. :P Sorry, I just had to rant. Time for bed - I have to get up early to return to civilization tomorrow... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT meth@delphi.com| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |"Mother can't you see I've got to live my life the way I feel is right for| |me? Might not be right for you, but it's right for me..." Sarah McLachlan| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 22:24:26 -0800 From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Subject: Re: Sam Phillips posters >==> vALEriE N. (gee, that's very economical, isn't it?) >the person who is deliriously happy because she has gotten through her >first quarter without flunking out of her program. Congrats Valerie! Have you gotten a published byline yet? *HUGS* Jeff -- Jeff Wasilko, Systems Rep., Information International Inc. +1 617 937 9400 (jeffw@triple-i.com, jeffw@jane.camex.com) "Two days to get there by boat. It takes forever if you go by intertia, no time if you don't believe in time."--Jane Siberry ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)