Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1046 ecto, Number 1046 Wednesday, 16 March 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Spinanes and more NIN Spinanes Bewaring the Ides... Tori Amos show?? sTuff Terra Incognita cross postings? cross posting Re: cross postings? Tori on TV Beat Review of Tori's album Re: ecto #1013 Happy in the UK! Re: sTuff Ne(a/i)l(e)s and Spinanes (was: Spinanes) Re: Tori Amos show?? ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Re: Spinanes and more NIN Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 11:10:37 -0800 (PST) > The Spinanes, according to 120 Minutes and themselves being > interviewed there, are a duo from Portland, Oregon. [...] Funnily enough, I was chatting with a friend of mine from Oregon last night and over the course of a long-ranging conversation he asked me if I'd ever heard of the Spinanes before. Without the encyclopaedic musical knowledge of the ectophiles on this list I would have had to say no, but I was able to say "er, yeah, some folks on this list I'm on have been talking about 'em..." Anyway, turns out that as a strapping young Oregonian lad years ago he played in a band with a gentleman whose younger brother is now half of the Spinanes. He related to my tales of this now moderately well-known chap sitting around quietly watching my friend and his older brother practice. Curious coincidences, eh? :) - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 11:48:54 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: Spinanes I think it's really funny that Spinanes and Liz Phair are playing together. Someone asked me what the Spinanes sounded like, and I said Liz Phair with the voice lower in the mix and tamer lyrics. Should make for an interesting show. (Neal, do you really get Somebody's Daughter again? Egad.) --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 17:31:29 CST From: Subject: Bewaring the Ides... Neal says: >Mitch, I can't believe you missed an RIP for Charles Bukoski. I >thought you were on top of everyone who died (don't misread that!). Actually, I noted his obit over the weekend, and made a mental note to men- tion it here, but it fell through the cracks what with all the other balls I got in the air just now. These things happen :-). One other thing I meant to mention here before, but forgot about, was that in view of our mini-thread about how people might feel about name artists subscribing to this list, I put the question--without naming names--to the folk_music list, to which a number of name artists (and I) subscribe. The consensus among those posting responses was that it didn't make people diffi- dent about expressing their opinions, and provided useful feedback to the art- ists themselves. I submit that working recording artists should be welcomed to this list with open arms. Off to a pleasant evening watching election returns. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 20:08:05 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Tori Amos show?? Can any kind soul in the know please tell me when/where the Tori Amos show in Boston is.....and if there are any tix still available???? Chris Sampson chri@neuron.uchc.edu ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 22:02:09 -0500 (EST) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: sTuff Hi! Greetings from Iowa, where the corn side is crispier! I'm here on my very first business trip, and I'd like to inform you all that Waterloo, Iowa is a very boring town. (I'm reasonably sure there aren't any lurkers from this area... if there are, I'm at the Holiday Inn until Thursday!) There is a very cool NPR station, though: KUNI. They have the World Cafe every night, which is the only means people around here have to experience non Top-40, Classic Rock, or Country-Western music. One of my co-workers here mentioned that she'd heard Sarah McLachlan on World Cafe last week and liked her a lot - I think I might be making her a tape soon. :) And they have other "alternative" (meaning, an alternative to what else is on the radio out here) music during the rest of the evening. The world needs more stations like these. I just got around to looking through last week's New Yorker magazine, and noticed that they had a little blurb about the Cocteau Twins in conjunction with their show at Roseland last Saturday night, under "Night Life". I figure more than a few of you might be interested, so: ============ COCTEAU PARTY Throughout their twelve-year career, the Cocteau Twins have kept rock critics flipping through the thesaurus, trying to find the right words to describe their music -- "vaporous", "shimmering", and "celestial" are big favorites. Much of the impressionistic verbiage is justified: the Scottish band's distinctive sound is built around droning layers of hevaily processed guitar and faux-Esperanto vocalization, qualities that don't exactly lend themselves to concrete description. The problem is exacerbated by the Twins' dread of the confessional interview. "We're really not the greatest self-publicists in the world," says the bassist, Simon Raymonde. (Vocalist Elizabeth Fraser and guitarist Robin Guthrie make up the rest of the group.) "For years we wouldn't talk about our music. The lyrics were vague, the sleeves were vague ... We were frightened - it's stupid, but that's just the way it was. At least the critics weren't slagging us off." The critics certainly aren't slagging off the Cocteau Twins' excellent new record, "Four-Calendar Cafe", which the band supports with a gig this Saturday at Roseland and a rare television appearance, on the "Tonight Show" (April 4). "I think it's amazing that we got asked," says Raymonde. "We're trying not to think too much about it." Can viewers expect the profoundly shy Twins to sit down and have a chat with Jay? "I hope not," Raymonde says. "I mean, three people just staring at each other nervously on the sofa? No way." ============ I'll be watching them on the Tonight Show. That should definitely be interesting!!! woj and I saw them at Roseland, and they were great: definitely having an "on" night! They actually looked like they were enjoying themselves, and they did three encores, the last of which was "Sugar Hiccup". I was surprised at the amount of older material they did, and at how well Liz handled it. All in all, a good performance. Moose and Luna opened for them. I only heard Moose's final number, and I'm glad I missed the rest. Luna were okay - basically quite boring, but bearable for half an hour or so. Vickie sed: JeffP asks: > Subject: Happy from CDC & Brazil >Btw, Charles asked bout the song "Closer" and I e-mailed him, but thought >I should say something here. Basically, there's nothing to say :-). Happy >has never said anything for public consumption regarding that song. Um, well, she has, but, um, it kind of got publicly consumed once and then the tape melted. :} I've been meaning to fix up the original phone interview and transcribe it, and Angelos was even *this close* to doing it for me but of course I forgot to bring the tape with me to Boston that time, and it's been almost a year since the interview and I've been avoiding Happy and Susanne since then because I know they're wondering where the hell their tapes are, and well, um.... Now I'm determined once again to get this done. For now, I will say that "Closer" is about coming to terms with the injustices done to her in the past. And I hate to burst y'all's bubbles, but we're *not* her army, at least not according to what she told me that night on the phone. "Every word volunteered for my army" is the hateful words that were thrown at her by the kids in school and whatnot, which she collected and wove into the armor with which she surrounded herself, and only recently has been able to safely break through. >It doesn't matter if the specific details aren't known, the song is still >very important in understanding all the "depressing" songs on all the >other albums. In earlier songs she was getting the demons and depression >out, here she's getting the anger out. Good for her! Right on, Vickie - that's exactly what she's doing. Never in my life have I made such a mess out of something - that interview did at least get broadcast, but I have no record of it, and have been *really* bad about salvaging the remnants to disseminate to ecto and AG! Ack, I'm sorry guys... :/ Anyway, I think what Happy ultimately wants is to get Aural Gratification aligned with a major label for the mass distribution and not much else- that way she can keep her artistic freedom while allowing her music to reach the far reaches of the universe, and have some financial backing to promote her albums as well. If this Mark guy can help her get that, then by all means, let him! Judging from Alex's post about last Sunday's 120 Minutes, I *really* wish I'd seen this! Anybody got it on tape? I will go away now, and allow regular programming to be pre-empted once again by discussion of (ick) Nine Inch Nails. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT meth@delphi.com| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |"Mother can't you see I've got to live my life the way I feel is right for| |me? Might not be right for you, but it's right for me..." Sarah McLachlan| ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 21:39:38 -0800 From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Subject: Terra Incognita I was listening to Warpaint (for about the eighteen-zillionth time), and Happy's words at the end of Terra Incognita caught my ear. Does anyone know what (if anything) she's saying there? thanks, Jeff -- Jeff Wasilko, Systems Rep., Information International Inc. +1 617 937 9400 (jeffw@triple-i.com, jeffw@jane.camex.com) "Two days to get there by boat. It takes forever if you go by intertia, no time if you don't believe in time."--Jane Siberry ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:51:13 +1200 From: Philip Sainty Subject: cross postings? I *thought* I sent a post about this to ecto the other day, but I think I actually managed to send birthday greetings to Kiri twice instead... :) I was wondering what people's feelings are on cross posting musical information about people who now have their own lists (such as fte and siblings)... Once I have extracted myself from the rather horrible piles of assignments I have suddenly found myself in, I have a few things about Jane to type in and send to siblings; however I think there are bound to be people here on ecto (where I would have sent them before siblings was formed) who feel that they cannot handle another mailing list... (traffic on a dedicated list is bound to be higher than the traffic about that person/group on a more general list like ecto) What sort of things may be sent to both? Long articles shouldn't appear on both I guess... what are people's thoughts? Philip (who would like to say goodbye on ecto to Willow, a long-haired blue-cream tabby, who was much loved, and died yesterday at the age of 15...) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 01:36:58 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (the king of spain) Subject: cross posting well, for someone who is on all of the ectophilic artist lists (such as myself), it's not a big deal to delete the additional copies that crossposts to ecto would generate. however, not everyone is either a) as lassiez-faire about email as i am or b) on a system where mail quotas are not a problem. best judgement is the proper way to approach this, i think. obviously, if there is a devoted list for the artist in question, any transcriptions, etc should be sent to that list. crosspost it to ecto if you feel there is enough interest (which is probably the case in most cases :). since we are on the topic of courtesy, i'd like to point out, however, that people should watch where their replies to crossposts go. if you are on only one of the lists that received the crosspost, make sure that your reply only goes to that list. if you are on some or all of them, think about where your reply is going and only include the lists that you think a reply to is approriate. i don't want to suggest that anyone limit what and where they say something, but considering the large amount of membership overlap between ecto, love-hounds, rdt, fte, old-ways, siblings and gods know what other lists out there (not to mention the ever-expanding net-as-we-know-it), taking a few seconds to think about where you reply is a nice thing to do. +woj ps. *lots* of stuff to review. i'll try and get to it by this weekend; i'm in the middle of the great volleyball marathon which is destroying my evenings this week. ======================================================================== Subject: Re: cross postings? Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 01:55:33 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Philip asks: >I was wondering what people's feelings are on cross posting musical >information about people who now have their own lists (such as fte >and siblings)... My own opinion is that there should be virtually no crossposting to ecto and other groups *unless* the crosspost specifically mentions Happy. On the other hand, there *are* things that are posted to other groups that belong on ecto, but these are apropos to current threads. I know, I know, that sounds weird, because how do threads get started, anyway? But let's take NIN for example. They're getting a lot of ecto bandwidth right now. If somebody had something that they were about to send to a newsgroup/mailing list dedicated to Trent Reznor and/or his sort of music, then it might make sense to send it to ecto as well. But three months from now, that would *not* be appropriate (assuming the conversation has turned). Don't post something *that belongs on another list* just because you happen to recall that a few folks are into it. Obviously, if there's something worth mentioning about a band you recall a few folks are into that's got no more appropriate spot than ecto, well then by all means go for it! In another words, I don't want copies of stuff meant for the Jane list or the Sarah list, or whatever, unless it's "important" (say a list of tour dates). But wait. That's not right either. I don't want to suggest we shouldn't be discussing Jane or Sarah or whomever around here. I wanna discuss them all. I just don't want to be crossposting things. This is so confusing. I seem to be completely incapable of thinking up any guidelines for what I know in the fuzziest blue part of my heart to be "proper." For instance. An interview with Henry Frayne is only the slightest bit marginally ecto-ish. But said interview was carried out by the *very* ecto-ish woj. And as M7x was in our thoughts at the time, it made sense for woj to post his interview. Or how about Vickie? She often crossposts between here and rec.music.gaffa. And virtually every time, I agree that it's something that belongs both places. Perhaps you should just read ecto for a while and decide for yourself what's appropriate. I've been reading it since day 1 and I *still* don't know. ;-) Jeff (who notes that (a) this is purely his opinion and may or may not be anyone elses and is offered purely for discussion purposes and (b) Jorn Barger didn't *really* start to hate jeffy until jeffy flamed him for crossposting all his ridiculous "Warm Room" posts to ecto...and jeffy is a *huge* KaTe fan) ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 08:00:19 GMT Subject: Tori on TV UK ectophiles might be interested; Sorry this is late notice but I only found out this info half an hour ago!! Rumour has it that Tori is doing a live set on R.1 this morning (Simon Mayo show) sometime between 9 and 12. She's also on the bed with Paula on the Big Breakfast sometime before 9. tim ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 18:58:49 +1100 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Beat Review of Tori's album A few of the #ecto-sters last night, when I asked if I should post this to Ecto, said "YES!". So here's the final version of my review of Under The Pink as printed in today's issue of Beat Mag. Those who get the Really Deep Thoughts fanzine may find this review slightly familiar; the non-judgemental album summary I did for the current issue of RDT was the basis for this version. This is only the second album I've rated this highly in Beat; no prizes for guessing what the other one was... :-) ******* Tori Amos Under The Pink (EastWest) Ask anyone who took Tori Amos' 1992 solo debut "Little Earthquakes" into their hearts what they expect to hear in "Under The Pink" and you'll get a different response each time. For one thing, the circumstances are different; most heard Tori Amos for the first time when that album was already out. In following up an album that meant so much to many people and established her as an artistic force, Tori has opted for taking some chances and exploring her musical boundaries. The reward is an album that musically takes a step beyond its predecessor into epic, uncharted territory. "Pretty Good Year" opens the album with a gentle piano melody and a wistful vocal, with a perfectly arranged string section making the first of many appearances. Those listening with the volume at anything other than quiet will find themselves in the midst of a brief storm at the centre of the song, an emotional outburst that redefines the mood of the song. US single "God" is next, introduced by a driving, almost funk-inspired rhythm section and chopping guitars. Melodies and hooks abound, both in the lead vocal and lurking in the background waiting to be discovered. Coming directly after one of the most instrument-heavy songs on the album, "Bells For Her" sounds even more haunting. Played on a prepared piano and sung by Tori with an almost-perceptible tension, this beautiful, wistful song is laden with emotion and sadness, both musically and lyrically. Incredibly, this song was improvised in the studio in one take. "Past The Mission", with subdued backing vocals by Nine Inch Nails' Trent Reznor, is a musical reflection of its lyrics: a story of a desert murder, the song takes its mood from the story's setting. "Baker Baker" returns to the piano-and-strings arrangement with lyrics dissecting the failure of a relationship with analogies aplenty. "The Wrong Band" is more playful and lyrically topical, very much in a similar mode to the previous album's "Leather"; "The Waitress" follows and delivers the album's first truly unexpected musical surprises, with its angry lyrics, confronting and unconventional arrangement, and Kevin Killen's inventive mix. Tori's vocal is more than ever an instrument in its own right on this album, carrying the rhythm and mood of the songs; her vocal here is perhaps the best example of this. "Cornflake Girl" is the antithesis of the previous song, a bouncy, hook-laden, sure-fire hit of a single which is simply irresistible. From here on in things really get interesting; "Icicle" opens with a piano intro that seems to have been borne of contained anger, and the song itself is haunting, Tori once again using the string section with insight and restraint, and providing a vocal rich in emotion. "Cloud On My Tongue" is similarly arranged but emotionally provides a lessening of the tension. Once again, the orchestration is the definition of perfection. "Space Dog" reintroduces the rhythm section and recalls the swagger of "God" until to its points of departure at the end of each verse; it's almost two different songs dovetailed into a cohesive whole, and it works perfectly. Then the final track, "Yes, Anastasia", takes the album to another level altogether. This nine minute-plus epic is more symphony than song, with its many moods, devastating vocal, gradually introduced melodies, and cinematic strings, the most extensive use of these on the album. This is not an album that, as a whole, leaps into your consciousness on the first listen. It's the elements of the album that do that pull you back in to explore further; and there's so much here. It's an album of rare brilliance, from an artist who is pushing the boundaries of her own talent each time. An early contender for album of the year, "Under The Pink" is the perfect meeting of inspiration and emotion. (10/10) ANTHONY HORAN ****** -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Subject: Re: ecto #1013 From: revvie@qedbbs.com (Rod Bourland) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 00:13:32 PST Please change my subscribe to: ROD700@DELPHI.COM Thanks This is my second request am I doing something wrong? By the way, I sent a wonderful true story about How my life was saved (literallY) while on Internet IRC #ECTO channel by two ectophiles. I won't go into details until somebody tells me I am sending this to the correct address. But at least I will say THANK YOU to Fili and Dreaming for saving my life. Ectofiles, I am coming to believe, a different sort of human being. Perhaps we're all from another planet and have been brought together by Happy Rhodes.............. Revvie ------------------------------ revvie@qedbbs.com (Rod Bourland) or qed!revvie The QED BBS -- (310)420-9327 ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:33:38 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Happy in the UK! Well, yesterday I saw something I was sure I'd not see for a very long time. Indeed I expected to witness it in the US before I did so over here... I was doing my regular trawl through HMV's Oxford Street shop picking up: UK - Time After Time (live) Jon & Vangelis - Short Stories & Friends of Mr. Cairo Maddy Prior - Woman in the Wings Alison Moyet - Alf Steve Harley - Live in the UK Magna Carta - third album (can't remember the title offhand) Laurie Anderson - Strange Angels Miriam Makeba - a compilation album the first five were just CD copies of albums I already had on vinyl, the last two are all Jazzmyne's fault :-), and I didn't get one thing I specifically went in there for: Loreena's new album which is reputedly out in the UK but of which there was no sign at all. It while picking up the Steve Harley CD my eye was caught by a familiar name close by on the racks... Yes! Happy Rhodes was on sale in a major record shop in the UK! In the 'H' section, but even so a major improvement. They had multiple copies of the first four and a single "Equipoise" and at import prices (US$24) they were more expensive than buying mail order from AG but even so... sombody at HMV has been convinced she can sell in the UK! I only hope their optimism is justified. I guess you Americans wonder what I'm so delighted about, with Happy's music widely available in shops and played on the radio but over here... So if any UK 'philes need to complete their collection, or want to give Happy CDs as gifts you can just pop along to HMV and buy them like any other CD! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** We tried to add it all up and got merely sunrise. *** *** Try putting that in a letter to someone in exile. *** ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 05:04:33 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: sTuff ->Anyway, I think what Happy ultimately wants is to get Aural Gratification ->aligned with a major label for the mass distribution and not much else- that ->way she can keep her artistic freedom while allowing her music to reach the ->far reaches of the universe, and have some financial backing to promote her ->albums as well. If this Mark guy can help her get that, then by all means, ->let him! I was just thinking how that sort of thing seems to be going on a LOT these days, major labels working with the small labels. It seems good to me because of the reasons you mentioned. ->Judging from Alex's post about last Sunday's 120 Minutes, I *really* wish ->I'd seen this! Anybody got it on tape? Yep. I taped the parts I talked about. I've been trying to get things set up to dub for other reasons but my HiFi VCR keeps giving trouble. I do think the video is directly from the film though. I hope we get to see it sometime, preferrably this year! We can also hope they will show the video again, but I'm not holding my breath. I don't know where the short interview clip came from but it seemed familiar somehow. /-\ |_ |= >< arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu (MST=GMT-7) MST3k 42 KT "Argh!!! Life is hard. :P Time to change the CD ..." -- Meredith "The night is my companion; the solitude my guide." -- Sarah McLachlan ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 05:38:21 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Ne(a/i)l(e)s and Spinanes (was: Spinanes) I know this is silly but that's exactly why I had to point out that The Spinanes seem to attract the attention of anyone with a name like neal or neil(e): 341 15-Mar neal@ccrwest.org Re: Spinanes 342 15-Mar neilg@sfu.ca Re: Spinanes and more NIN 343 15-Mar neile@u.washington.edu Spinanes Theses were all posted within 3 hours of each other! Perhaps many of you already noticed this "strange phenomena". Anyone named Neale? Hmm, well those letters are in my name: ALExaNdEr. :*) /-\ |_ |= >< arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu (MST=GMT-7) MST3k 42 KT "There, you're laughing! That's good... you're back. Welcome to the living." ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 07:53:41 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Tori Amos show?? On Tue, 15 Mar 1994, Chris Sampson wrote: > Can any kind soul in the know please tell me when/where the Tori Amos show > in Boston is.....and if there are any tix still available???? The Tori Amos show in Boston (actually Cambridge) takes place on March 31 at Sander Theater. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it's sold out. I'm not 100% certain of this fact, but I am 99.9% sure it is. (We got the last 4 seats together at 1:00 p.m. the day the tix went on sale. Good luck finding some tickets! Michael ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)