Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1036 ecto, Number 1036 Monday, 7 March 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Latest Singles Purchased sugarcubes list Bizarre df schedule Personal To Tamar B. Tori Inteview and First Sarah CD Susan Werner / Dar Williams Re: df schedule Shoe-gazer? Gilbert Grape R.E.M. Etheridge mailing list The last 72 hours kill the waitress Re: Etheridge mailing list Re: kill the waitress A few quick things ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 19:22:37 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Latest Singles Purchased At 2:35 pm 7/3/94 +0000, Tim Cook wrote: >Hold on to your hats. Tori is releasing again! > >In the U.K. regular and ltd ed. versions of Pretty Good Year >appeared in the record shops. Thanks to Tim's timely warning (made also in #Ecto) I managed to get up to the town this lunchtime (Monday) and hit the record shop. I got: Tori Amos - Pretty Good Year Pretty Good Year Home on the Range (as on the US single of God) Daisy Dead Petals Tori Amos - Pretty Good Year Pretty Good Year Honey Black Swan I'm not sure which of the above counts as the regular and which the limited edition. The first one listed comes in a double digipak with space for the second one. The second one cane in a standard (narrow) CD single jewel box. I bought a spare jewel box to avoid wear & tear on the digipak. While there I also snapped up: Bjork - Violently Happy Violently Happy (7" edit) Anchor Song (acoustic version) Come to Me (acoustic version) Human Behaviour (acoustic version) Alison Moyet - Whispering Your Name Whispering Your Name (single mix) Rise (live) Wishing You Were Here (live) Rock and Roll (live) (YES! The Led Zep. song) Alison Moyet - Whispering Your Name Whispering Your Name (extended mix) Whispering Your Name Hoodoo Back Where I Belong (soft mix) The Alison Moyet singles were only 1.99 pounds (i.e. about $3) each, the rest were 3.99 (plus 0.55 for the jewel box). Haven't had a chance to listen to any of them yet... -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** We tried to add it all up and got merely sunrise. *** *** Try putting that in a letter to someone in exile. *** ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:33:14 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: sugarcubes list >>Oh, and I think the sugarcubes list is defunct. > >No, the list is alive and well. It's the Sugarcubes that's defunct. :) I stand corrected. My info came from the Musical List of Lists that tries to be an conclusive list of music groups. In there latest offering, they just added ecto, and they dropped the sugarcubes, so I imagined the list defunct. If it's not, and anyone who actually reads it cares, you might want to send a correction to mlol@wariat.org Saw "Angie" this weekend. Thought it to be quite mediocre, but as a Geena Davis fan, not too hard to watch since she is in just about every frame. Thought I'd reiterate the comment that Rubberband Girl is in it somewhere, since I forgot until the credits, and I never did notice where it showed up. Oh well. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:49:39 -0800 From: Angelos Kyrlidis Subject: Bizarre Here I am working on a computer and I look to my left and I see a copy of RhodeSongs lying next to some headphones, and REM's A4TP. Wow! And to think that I haven't Happyvangelized in this office at all! ;-) Details at 11... Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 11:51:12 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: df schedule This just in - disappear fear tour schedule and supposed May 17th release for the new disc, their first from Rounder. Once again, no west coast dates :( - Neal March 7 Eastern Kentucky U: Richmond, KY (606) 223-1011 8 Marshall University: Huntington, WV (tentative) 9 Calamity Cafe: Huntington, WV (304) 525-4171 10 Dickinson College: Carlise, PA (717) 240-0753 (tentative) 11 Westminster College: New Wilmington, PA (tentative) 15 Sam Houston State U: Huntsville, TX (409) 294-1759 16 Antone's: Austin, TX (512) 474-5315 (Cindy will be back) 18 Trinity University: San Antonio, TX (210) 736-7500 19 Fitzgerald's: Houston, TX (tentative) 26 The Palace: Durham, NC (919) 490-1526 27 4220 East: Charlotte, NC (704 563-7242 29 Yale University: New Haven, CT Sonia Solo (tentative) 31 University of VA: Charlottesville, VA (tentative) April 9 Drummerz: Springfield, IL (217)-3644 12 Eastern New Mexico State 13 LaLuna: Santa Fe, NM (505) 989-4888 14 New Mexico State U: Las Cruces, NM (tentative) 15 Fort Lewis College: Durango, CO (303) 247-7325 16 Mishiwaka Amphitheatre: Bellevue, CO 3pm showtime (303) 482-4420 17 Fox Theatre: Boulder,CO (303) 443-5858 19 Hurricane's: Kansas City, MO (tentative) 20 Jazz Haus: Lawrence, KS (913) 749-3320 21 Look for show in St. Louis or Carbondale 22 Canal Street Tavern: Dayton, OH (tentative) 23 Mt. St. Mary's College: Emmitsburg, MD (tentative) 29 Black Cat: Washington, DC (202)667-4490 May 27 Women in Movement: Albuquerque, NM (505)344-7057 28 Camp Sister Spirit: Overtt, MS benefit concert Sonia Solo June 11 8x10: Baltimore, MD (410) 625-2001 July 23 Falcon Ridge Folk Festival: Longhill Farm, Hillsdale, NY (203)364-5710 30 12th & Porter: Nashville, TN (615) 254-7236 Aug 21 Community Center: King of Prussia, PA (610) 265-1071 Always call to confirm Shows added each week. For mpre information, call the df hotline: (410)466-7312 ======================================================================== Date: 07 Mar 94 14:50:47 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Personal To Tamar B. Tamar: Remember that Connecticut CD mail-order place you told me to try to get that Tori CD from? I have misplaced the name and number and I need to call them again. Could you please send me the info again? Thanks! -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 07 Mar 94 14:05:53 CST From: "Lundgren, Chad" Subject: Tori Inteview and First Sarah CD 'Lo all, First of all, I want to say that last week, on a suggestion of many, I picked up "Fumbling Toward Ecstasy". It was the first Sarah McLachlan CD I have ever heard and it will by no means be the last one. Her vocals were so beautiful and the music grabbed me right away. There are some artists that I have to listen to three or four times before I catch on, but not Sarah. My favorite track would have to be "Good Enough".I am quickly going to be buying another CD asap. I am quite disappointed however, that I was unable to find any Happy Rhodes CD's. Help me out. Tell me where to look. I looked in their CD catalog, but I couldn't find anything. 8-( Now, I want to talk about the Tori Amos interview I read in the latest edition of Creem magazine (she's on the cover by the way... le *sigh*). It was a phenomenal interview. There was a lot of background info and the questions that were asked were intelligent. You could tell that the interviewer actually listened to her music. To my suprise, who else do they talk to in the interview? None other than Niel Gaiman (writer of the comic book Sandman). This was a special treat for me, as I collect comics passionately. He had a lot to say about their mutual admiration and his first impression of Tori. Of the things that were brought up, I want to mention two points. First, most fans of Tori connect with her music on an emotional level. They compared it to a sensory memory response. I have to agree. Although I do not share her same experiences, I can relate to what she's saying; an empathy of sorts. Secondly, there was mention about the lack of passion in modern religion. I felt that way even before I read the interview. I was brought up catholic and I always wondered why all of our hymns sounded like funeral marches even though the content was upbeat. It didn't make sense to me and now I know I'm not alone in thinking that. Well, I've wasted enough bandwidth as it is, so I'll bid you adieu. Catch ya later, Chad Chad Lundgren--------->lundgren_c@music.lib.matc.edu 10223 W. Terra Ave. ************************************************* Milwuakee, WI 53224 *"If you need me, meand Neil'll be hangin' out * * with the Dream King."-Tori Amos * ************************************************* * "In dreams, I walk with you."---Morpheus * * Neil Gaiman's Sandman * ************************************************* ======================================================================== Date: 07 Mar 94 15:13:06 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Susan Werner / Dar Williams I have been reading the folk list and I can recommend two artists that most ectophiles have probably never heard of. The first is Susan Werner. I saw her open for Leo Kottke. She is touring around the Northeast now (tour sched included below). She has two CDs available by mail order, Live at Tin Angel and Midwestern Sat. Night. I would recommend the former over the latter. She has a trained opera voice, apparently, though she does not sound operatic. I would place both her and Dar Williams solidly in the new folk vain (Shawn Colvin, Patty Larkin, Vance Gilbert). Susan is an extraordinary performer and I would recommend you try to catch her live at all costs. Great guitarist, tons of energy, great stage personality, very exciting to watch and listen too, tremendous enthusiasm and quirky, funny face. As far as CDs go, Dar William's CD is even better. It's called the Honesty Room, and I believe the songwriting is even stronger than Susan's. I would compare Dar's voice a little more to Nancy Griffith than to some of the others mentioned. Again, she is supposed to be a very strong performer as well, though I've never seen her. She too tours around the northeast alot. I don't have ordering info for Dar offhand, but I can get it if people are interested (or tune in to the folk list and get it from there). I would heartily recommend her CD if even for the first 3 songs... Here are the specs on Susan Werner: 3/7 Bottom Line, NY (opens for Dave Wilcox, this will be a great show) 11 23 East, Ardmore PA 19 Tin Angel, Philly 20 Turning Point, Piermont, NY 25 Birchmere, Alexandria, VA 30 Jewish Mother, Norfolk VA 31, 4/1 Jewish Mother, Va Beach VA 4/2 Godfrey Daniels, Bethlehem PA 7 Folkal Point, Columbus MD 8 Tin Angel 9 Grace Norton Rogers, Heightstown,NJ 15 Kal Coffee House, Clinton,NY 16 Ithaca Music Hall, Ithaca,BY 22 State Theater, Portland ME 23 St. Paul School, Concord NH 24 Old Vienna, Westborough MA 30 GermanTown Crickett Club, Philly CDs: $15+$1.50s/h+.50each additional Mail to Golden Guru / Susan Werner, 301 Bainbridge St., Philly, PA 19147 or call 215-574-2900 for info. Happy hunting! -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 16:05:10 -0500 From: pearceja%pomis.dnet@wl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Re: df schedule I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M Date: 07-Mar-1994 04:01pm EST From: Lt Jeffrey A. Pearce PEARCEJA Dept: POSF Tel No: 52089 TO: _MAILER! ( _DDN[ECTO@NS1.RUTGERS.EDU] ) Subject: Re: df schedule I just saw the Disappear Fear tour dates posted by Neal. I also noticed that they were coming to my neck of the woods (Dayton, OH). Could someone offer a description of them so I can consider attending. Thanks. :) Jeff pearceja@wl.wpafb.af.mil ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:09:07 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Shoe-gazer? What, in tarnation, is a shoe-gazing band? Inquirng minds want to know. Chris Sampson ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 07 Mar 1994 16:13:57 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Warren Subject: Gilbert Grape Jeff Hanson said: > Anyway, I went to see What's Eating Gilbert Grape this weekend. A really >delightful heart-felt film, though somewhat depressing. Definitely a better >romance story between Johnny Depp and Juliette Lewis' characters than >the unbelievable and totally uninspired romance between Winona Ryder and Ethan >Hawke in Reality Bites (a totally overrated film). Although I'm happy to hear that you enjoyed "...Gilbert Grape," which I also enjoyed quite a bit (I think it's the saddest picture I've ever seen. It just left me profoundly effected.), I'm sad to note your review of "Reality Bites," which had me laughing long and hard. I thought Jeneane Garafalo (sp?) was delightful, and much of the pop culture running throughout the film had me in stitches (when they were playing "Name an episode from 'Good Times'" for instance, or when they were sitting on the roof singing "Conjunction Junction"). I certainly didn't find it "overrated." By the way, I finally got a copy of the newsletter (Ectonews) this weekend, and on Happy's recommendation, I went out and got Tim Finn's _Before & After_ album (it was the only one on her list that I didn't already have). Well, it didn't grab me right away, but I certainly can see why she would be attracted to it. In some ways, his vocal arrangements remind me of hers. I also picked up David Bowie's _The Buddha of Suburbia_. It's very interesting, but I didn't think it was anywhere near the quality of _Scary Monsters_ (someone here stated that it was Bowie's best work since Scary Monsters). I am rather partial to the song "South Horizon," and I like "Bleed Like A Craze, Dad" and "Sex And The Church" as well. I suppose that's it for now. -Sam ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:22:14 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Sampson Subject: R.E.M. Anybody out there know of an ftp site that may have some/all lyrics to R.E.M. songs (in particular, Ignoreland, from the Automatic for the People CD). For a guy who speaks as clearly as does Michael Stipe, he sure is hard to understand. I'd appreciate the help, as I'm obsessing over that song, lately, and would like, once and for all, to see the words in print, or something. Please email me, as I doubt anyone else is interested..... Chris Sampson chris@neuron.uchc.edu ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:52:20 -0500 (EST) From: Kate_Tabasko@transarc.com Subject: Etheridge mailing list Hearty salutations, Ectophiles! I just have a quick question: One of you mentioned a mailing list on Melissa Etheridge. Does anyone have the subscription info handy? If so, couldja fire it off to me? I don't know if there's enough interest to make an ecto-wide response, so you might want to just respond to me. If there is enough interest, maybe we should consider making the addresses of other mailing lists that people might be interested in part of the Ecto Classified?? Thanks in advance (The net is wonderful, because you can truly offer *thanks* in advance, knowing that you *will* get an answer, rather than hoping someone will feel sufficiently guilt-ridden if he or she doesn't respond after you have already given thanks!) Oh, sorry about the aside. I tend to get carried away! -- Kate ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:22:40 CST From: Subject: The last 72 hours Over the weekend I was passing by Record Exchange on Belmont, which had a sign in the window to the effect that the Tori concert was sold out. They did, how- ever, have a nice array of UTP posters, along with some Kristen Hersh album covers. One more reason I'm not heavily into concerts--they're usually sold out anyway :-). The Sun-Times reports that tonight, the Museum of Broadcast Communications is observing the 40th anniversary of Edward R. Murrow's classic program debunking Joe McCarthy. Wonder if they could have attracted many alternative music fans by calling it "Under the Pinko?" :-) Musicland is having a 25% off coupon sale this week. Perhaps I will try to get FTE on the cheap, that concert also being sold out. Happy Pulaski Day. Surely there must be public access sites in or around Germany, to which Dirk can turn in order to remain among us. Sunday morning, _Thistle and Shamrock_ on NPR had an episode devoted to women artists in Ireland. They played a track from Eleanor McEvoy's album. It was pretty good. WRT Kate's query on the Melissa Etheridge list: Coincidentally, today the indigo-girls digest had the following: >Agreed. If you're not already on the ME mailing list, you may want to drop a >line to etheridge-request@cnd.magill.ca and ask to subscribe. Lots of >discussion about the tour happening over there. I suspect, however, that there's a typo in the address they give, and that it's really "mcgill.ca ." Off to see what's cooking on #ecto. Mitch ======================================================================== From: ezust@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 19:03:11 -0500 Subject: kill the waitress Does anyone understand why Tori wants to kill a waitress? I read the lyrics and they make absolutely no sense to me. -- | Alan Ezust ezust@cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| "Recursion is a lot like recursion, only a little simpler." ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 16:05:15 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Etheridge mailing list Someone not too long ago posted the address for The Musical List of Lists, which is chock full of all sorts of great (you guessed it) music mailing lists. It does have some errors (see recent sugarcubes postings) but seems mighty handy. If you want one, just send mail to mlol-request@wariat.org >From aforementioned list - etheridge-request@cnd.mcgill.ca Neal ======================================================================== Subject: Re: kill the waitress Date: Mon, 07 Mar 94 19:26:49 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Alan queries: >Does anyone understand why Tori wants to kill a waitress? I read the lyrics >and they make absolutely no sense to me. My own personal take on the song is that there *is* no good reason why the main character wants to kill the other waitress...just lots of little annoying reasons that add up. Surely there are people out there you just *don't want to be anywhere near* for no particularly good reason? I think there are little clues...."She's worked here a year longer than me" which I tend to think of as meaning that the other chick lords this position of superiority over our heroine. "Some guys think she's living kindness" -- this I can interpret as either jealousy (bigger tips 'cause she's prettier?) or just bitterness because the other waitress is receiving attention she apparently doesn't deserve. But I think the real _purpose_ of the song is to show how we can get really pissed off and full of rage over these little things that we shouldn't let affect us. Normally nice, gentle people get pushed over the edge after a while, even though they don't *want* this to happen. >From the first time I heard it, the song reminded me of a poem I wrote years ago that dealt with an (imaginary) incident in which a boy was killed for basically no reason whatsoever. Very depressing. Jeff ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 13:32:14 +1300 Subject: A few quick things Hullo all! I've been a bit quiet recently, but I thought I'd send a quick note ecto's way... Firstly, Jane's "Bound by the Beauty"... The first time I heard it I was somewhat disappointed, no doubt for similar reasons as Anthony's... However, I persisted with it in the knowledge that it was a Jane album and I could expect it to take a while :) and as I suspected I eventually would, I now love it! I won't go into reasons why, as I am (as many of you know) completely hopeless at such things; but I think you might well change your mind over time, Anthony... Nextly, I was talking to someone from finland on irc the other day who asked if I knew where he could get the lyrics to the Cocteau Twins' "Heaven or Las Vegas" that aren't supplied with the album... I don't have it, so I can't say what is there and what is missing, but if anyone knows if they are available by ftp or otherwise, if you let me know I can pass it on to him... Yngve: Thanks for the Heidi Berry info! Could you tell me the names of her albums though...? I have CDs of "Heidi Berry" and "Below the Waves" (which includes "Firefly - A Collection of Six Songs") and I think she has an album called "Love" too...? Dirk: Congratulations on passing your finals!!! I'm sorry to hear you'll be leaving us though :/ I hope you can find some way to stay... Well I can't think of anything else to say just now aside from wishing everyone a fuzzy blue day... Philip ("and by the time i got to the end of the subway line i'd given him at least... oh... 25 cookies" --Jane Siberry, "Everything Reminds Me of My Dog") ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)