Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #497 ecto, Number 497 Sunday, 21 March 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Happy Birthday to yo! a few things... Re: Lene Lovich and general weirdness... Neile's buying binge (yup another one) Re: ecto #494 Boston info Time to change signature What about another contest? :) hair length and color (was Re: Spoilers (maybe not)) contest Things Not To Do and some impressions to boot Contest...... ecto #496 ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 0:15:10 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Happy Birthday to yo! HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Graham Dombkins!!! (I'll always remember that hug in London. Thanks for the Gyan too!) Vickie ======================================================================== Subject: a few things... Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 00:53:13 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu First off, when Mike ordered the HTR catalog, he requested an autograph. Being a swell friend, he also requested an autograph for me , as I'd never actually managed to get one ('cept for the "Great transcribing!" on my AG t-shirt...;-). I think Mike was expecting one of his CD inserts to be autographed to me and we'd just trade (that was what I expected after liner notes. That's certainly what I was expecting after he told me of this favor he'd done me. Well, when his package arrived, Happy had been kind enough to include an extra Equipoise insert (complete with an extra 6-album promo card), autographed and safe ensconced between two pieces of taped-together foamcore. Very pleasing!! I'll admit to minor disappointment that she used a black pen and not one of the metallics she seemed to always use in the past. What kind of pens has she used on other folks' Equipoise autographs? Of course, I've already decided that this must be kept safe and must not go near my Equipoise jewel case...;-) *NOTE*: I heard on the radio this morning that Tori will be appearing on... get this...Regis 'n Cathy Lee sometime next week! I don't know which morning. Someone might want to post this to rdt (whose address I don't have) Note: I was in Tower tonight and it looks like Nettwerk has re-pressed Bel Canto's _White Out Conditions_; I've never seen the album in a store since I got into BC; they had 3 copies tonight at Tower. Folks who've bought _Shimmering Warm and Bright_ and are interested in other Bel Canto albums might want to take a look for it. It's probably their most frigid album, but it's incredibly beautiful and wonderful and worthy of your your praise and glory and attention and, oh, yeah, guess I should stop blathering now. This is hardly an Ecto band by any stretch of the imagination, but here's a plug for the band Jellyfish. Their first (?) album, _Bellybutton_ was one of my favorite albums from...'91, wasn't it? I finally got their latest, _Spilt Milk_ and it's also a lot of fun. Great harmonies, very inventive and imaginative music and lyrics. Basically, it's some of the most perfect pop music around. Dunno which album I'd recommend more. Someone (Mike Mendelson?) recently asked briefly about Ween. They've been playing "Push the Little Daisies" on WHFS for about 3 weeks now, and I have to say that I really love the song. It's warped and sick and the kids can't sing, but there's still something incredibly endearing about it. Hell, I really liked it the first time I heard it; it seems like it takes most folks several listens before they can actually stomach the song. No comments yet on any of their other songs, though Jorn Barger seems like it a lot. ;-) Vickie--here's another voice glad you went to the hospital, even if it turns out to have been nothing... Vickie was kind enough to give me credit for getting things going on the transcription project, which in turn caused her ravingfan status. Just to give some perspective, I never would have started it if Vickie hadn't reported that lyrics for the albums weren't written down anywhere and that Happy had no intention of doing so *but* that Happy would be willing to make corrections if the bulk of the work were already done. When I heard that, I posted to r.m.g the idea for the lyrics project. I only got two takers with offers of assistance--Vickie, of course, and the aforementioned palindrome man, Mike Mendelson (then known as...Christine, wasn't it? for reasons really not worth going into, eh? ;-). I did the initial (and mistake-riddled) transcriptions of the 1st3. Mike did the first set of corrections and caught lots of my mistakes. Vickie than added her $0.02 (lots of which were spots where she specified whether she agreed with my transcription or Mike's) before passing the whole mess to Happy, who apparently had lots of good laughs at us all before she settled down to the task of finishing things up. I'd still like to hear a version of "Moonbeam Friends" with the threatened lyric change of "...my oxy and my toe." In any event, all of that was supposed to mean that it was unquestionaly a joint effort spread sequentially amongst 4 people. And of course, it never would have happened at all if Vickie hadn't persevered in her efforts to spread Happy along the internet. Meth listed some of her favorite lines of poetry. I think I'd have to go with: "Tears o'er a tin box Jesus Christ, he wasn't to know Like a chicken with a fox He couldn't win the war with ego Give the kid his pick of pips And give him all his stripes and ribbons Now he's sitting in his hole He might as well have buttons and bows What could he do? Should have been a rock star But he didn't have the money for a guitar Should have been a politician But he never had a proper education Should have been a father But he never even made it to his twenties What a waste, army dreamers." or perhaps "Can't you see where memories are kept bright Tripping on the water like a laughing girl Time in her eyes is spawning past light One with the ocean and the woman unfurls Holding all the love that waits for you here Catch us now for I am your future A kiss on the wind and we'll make the land Come over here to where When lingers Waiting in this empty world Waiting for Then when the life spray cools For Now does ride in on the curl of a wave And you will dance with me in the sunlit pools We are the going water and the gone We are of water and the holy land of water And all that's to come runs in With the thrust on the strand." (of course, it's unfair to ignore some of the wonderful poets I've read, but usually I'm too lazy to memorize bits of various folks I read and not hear--a real stinker, ain't I?) Jeff (who really ought to get to bed so he's in decent shape for tomorrow's kite festival in Graysonville) (yes, Mike, I was a baaaad boy tonight. don't say it.) |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Fairies are the perfect people to do this | |SAFH Lite [tm] | sort of work. Biologically, their upper | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | bodies are strong enough to wield a pickaxe...." | ======================================================================== From: jmg@rocket.com (Jim Gurley) Subject: Re: Lene Lovich and general weirdness... Date: Fri, 19 Mar 93 11:49:16 PST Angelos wrote: >Lene Lovich weird? Ah, come on. :) And Diamanda Galas was out then (mid-80's) >if I remember correctly. Well, they were both around in the mid-80s, but by then Lene's star was pretty much on the wane. And also by then the way had pretty much been pathed for DG and others like Nina H. It was LL who did that. She started as part of the first wave (forgive the pun) of the New Wave era in 1978, which was well before DG...and back then the only unusual female singer was Patti Smith. Granted Kate was around then too, but she didn't have braided hair in a beehive on her head and wasn't wearing Brunhilda outfits (see cover of Stateless) like LL did then...no one else was waving their arms around or singing like she did (have you ever seen her video for Lucky Number, then you'll know what I mean).. LL kind of broke the mold of female singers and added an element of wildness with her voice and manner...so for her time, when she first made her break, yeah she was pretty weird, though she seems fairly tame by today's standards, but that's also true of Patti Smith...it would be hard for a DG without those people who came before... ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1993 22:10:30 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: Neile's buying binge (yup another one) Well, I went to Tower and they have Shanachie on sale--the first time I've ever seen them on sale. Anyway, I took the opportunity to replace 6 things I have on dying, overplayed cassettes and albums. Got Steeleye Span's _Ten Man Mop_ and _Now We Are Six_, Maddy Prior and Tim Hart _Summer Solstice_, and 3 (yup/yulp) June Tabor, _Abyssinians_, _Airs and Graces_, and _Aqaba_ (the one which has her doing a really downbeat version of Natalie Merchant's "Verdi Cries"). Also on sale was Throwing Muses' _House Tornado_ to replace another sad tape, and... Moon Seven Times. I love it!!! Jim doesn't (yet) but I'll keep working on him. Lynn Canfield's voice is lovely and I like the music a lot--I just wish they would have printed *all* of the lyrics in the fold out. Ah well. I like it I like it I like it. Thanks for the recommendation! --Neile P.S. They have Rhodes I & II and Rearmament, but they haven't had _Equipoise_ yet at all. (Either that or they've had it in and it's sold out so fast I never even got a look at it.) P.P.S. I just couldn't resist adding this. ======================================================================== Subject: Re: ecto #494 From: metatron!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 04 03:45:29 CST In rereading/relistening to "Closer" with the Hamlet connection in mind, I have trouble (as apparently do others) seeing it as a song from Hamlet's viewpoint. However, it works eerily well as Ophelia's suicide note -- the "you" she's singing to is Hamlet, and she's "getting closer" to drowning herself. ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 12:14 GMT From: Tim Cook Subject: Boston info I shall probably be in Boston next weekend - are there any ectophiles out there who live in or know the Boston area and can give me some info such as good places to stay, things to see, record stores to flex my mastercard in!! I'm only going to be in town from Friday evening until Sunday afternoon (got to be back at work in Manchester at 9a on Monday morning!). Any info gratefully received! tim ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 14:37:09 +0100 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Time to change signature I guess it's time to change my signature. I made the one I've used up to now one day I was very depressed so................ I thought a little about using this :) : Look what they've done to my brain, Ma They picked in it like a chickenbowl and I think I'm half insane, Ma But then I thought, it's a very nice characteristic of the record-buisness today...........I need something who show people what I think and what I stand for so I ended up with this : ___________________________________________________________________ \ / | Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no) | | Univerity of Tromsoe | | | | "Only in your eyes lies your soul" H.R | | "They are only putting in a nickel and | | they want a dollar song" Melanie | /__________________________________________________________________\ I guess Melanie is the only one who got a recording where she openly admits that she doesn't remember her own lyrics. But she gets herself out it nicely :) No KaTe or Tori quote this time either, but maybe next time Yngve ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 19:47:56 +0100 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: What about another contest? :) As I listened to one of the CDs I bought just before Christmas I got the Idea to this contest : We were so close there was no room We bleed inside eachothers wounds We all had got the same decise We all sang the same songs of peace Some came to sing Some came to pray Some came to keep the dark away 1. What big event is this song about 2. Who wrote and song this song Regards, -- ___________________________________________________________________ \ / | Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no) | | Univerity of Tromsoe | | | | "Only in your eyes lies your soul" H.R | | "They are only putting in a nickel and | | they want a dollar song" Melanie | /__________________________________________________________________\ ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 13:50:40 -0500 From: composer@beyond.dreams.org (Jeff Kellem) Subject: hair length and color (was Re: Spoilers (maybe not)) On the ecto mailing list, Vickie wrote... > Hey, welcome to Ecto Jeff! (how long is your hair and what color is it?) Hi there. Well, not exactly ecto related.. but... my hair color is light brown (or dirty blonde) with red tints and is somewhere between the middle of my back and my waist, length-wise (it's up in a towel right now, so, hard to verify.. ;-). -jeff Jeff Kellem Internet: composer@Beyond.Dreams.ORG ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 14:46:17 EST From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu (jessica) Subject: contest I know the answers to yngve's questions.. should i tell? nah.. i'll let others guess.. jessica ======================================================================== Subject: Things Not To Do and some impressions to boot Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 15:17:36 -0500 From: Michael Matthews If you use mh, never EVER do a blind refile +ecto `pick -to: ecto`. If you're currently *IN* ecto, you double your mail. I was WONDERING where all the duplicates were coming from. . . . . Anyway. I just read all the backlog of ecto mail [after switching over here to ectds.com because UMCP's systems weren't reliable enough, I find that the modems here are acting up again], and have some comments. One, someone asked about automating .signature files. That's relatively easy to do, and there are three ways of doing it. One is to just have your .login or .logout file (or .cshrc, assuming you use csh) do a 'fortune' and change your .sig file. You can even make a HappyQuotes fortune file; putting said quote into a .sig that has other stuff gets trickier, but it's possible. This onlychanges the .sig file when you log in or out (or, if you use the .cshrc, any time a shell fires up). You can take the neater, much risker way of making your .signature file a named pipe, and have a process just sit back all the time and try to write to that file; it'll block until someone tries to read it. The bad part of this solution is that you've got that process hanging around all the time (most systems don't have enough proc slots in the kernel to support this), *and* if that process dies, anyone trying to access the ..signature file will hang until the process starts up again. This really pisses off systems administrators. Trust me. Or, you could just make a macro in the editor of your choice do the fortune thing, like I do. [You can think of me as one of the resident Unix weenies.] Jeff Burka told me not to say anything about him being a baaad boy. I'd just like to make sure that everyone knows that I'd *never* do something like that........ especially when he can easily say I've been a badder boy (Mike + empty credit card + urge to buy something = dangerous). Whilst at Tower [makes the situation that much worse], I noticed they do indeed have the Happy set, although Equipoise wasn't at the Twinbrook, MD one. I bought Bel Canto's Shimmering, Warm and Bright (listening to that now), and White-out Conditions, among other CDs. During the blizzard, I took the opportunity to re-listen to all of the Happy CDs, this time with lyrics in hand. Wow. Definitely makes the songs better when you get the lyrics too. I actually recognized the deluge of quotes-for-the-sig-file that were posted. I'm also going to tape all of 'em for a friend of mine ("sampler" is not defined in my dictionary; I tend to go gung-ho on things). They're starting to grow on me. As far as which one I like best, well, let me offer an analogy to that. Let's say I wanted to use a coin toss to determine the best. So I pick 24 [4 per CD, we believe in the law of averages here] dimes and toss them up into a windy environment, on gravel. And they all land on their edge. No magnets, either. To end this lengthy (for me) mail item, I'll add my voice to the chorus that Vickie shouldn't feel guilty at all about going to the hospital. Again, from a technogeek standpoint, just because the symptoms aren't there doesn't mean the problem isn't [ever try to diagnose a hardware problem?], and when dealing with health, it's always wise to be safe. - ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@ectds.com (NeXTmail accepted) - ------ The moving cursor writes, and having written, blinks on. ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 17:58:21 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: hair length and color (was Re: Spoilers (maybe not)) > On the ecto mailing list, Vickie wrote... > > Hey, welcome to Ecto Jeff! (how long is your hair and what color is it?) > > Hi there. Well, not exactly ecto related.. but... my hair color is light > brown (or dirty blonde) with red tints and is somewhere between the middle > of my back and my waist, length-wise (it's up in a towel right now, so, hard > to verify.. ;-). Hi, thanks. The reason I ask is that there are other Jeffs on Ecto. One calls himself "Chip" so he's taken care of. Jeff Smith never posts so I haven't had to worry about what to call him. Jeff Burka has long black hair so I call him "Jeff-with-the-long-black-hair" now now I can call you "Jeff-with-the-long-light-brown-hair" :-). Hey, good for you! I love long hair on guys and it's getting rarer to see. My own guy Chris has hair that is (sounds like) as long as yours. His hair is longer than mine! I love it! (Found out in rdt that we have a John"-with-the-long-black-hair"Relph too! Any other guys with long hair on the list?) Vickie ps, guys with short hair, don't feel bad. I love you too! pps, speaking of Jeff-of-the-Bounces Smith, hey, I keep getting all these bounces from you. What's the deal? ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 19:33:14 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: What about another contest? :) Yngve of Norway way writes: > As I listened to one of the CDs I bought just before Christmas I got > the Idea to this contest : > > We were so close there was no room > We bleed inside eachothers wounds > We all had got the same decise > We all sang the same songs of peace > > Some came to sing > Some came to pray > Some came to keep > the dark away > > 1. What big event is this song about Woodstock? > 2. Who wrote and song this song Melanie! (I have at least 20 Melanie albums, can't fool me :-)) Ooops, I accidentally deleted it, but I like your .sig. "Brand New Key" is my favorite Melanie song, besides the one you quoted. That's from "Lay Down (Candles in the Rain)" right? Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 21 Mar 93 02:13:14 +0100 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: Contest...... I guess anyone can ever fool you Vickie :) 1. It was Wood stock I thought about as I wrote this question. There is another story around this song (see 2. ) and I don't know exactly which of them is the right one :) I've read somewhere that she had a consert in France (I don't recall where) and that it started to rain and everyone lit candles to symbolize peace...... 2. The female artist who wrote and sang this song was Melanie (Safka). One of the songs she sang at Woodstock was Peace Will Come which became extremly popular in France together with Bobo's Party. I think it's great that they've began to rerelease her albums on CD ! -- ___________________________________________________________________ \ / | Yngve Hauge (yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no) | | Univerity of Tromsoe | | | | "Only in your eyes lies your soul" H.R | | "They are only putting in a nickel and | | they want a dollar song" Melanie | /__________________________________________________________________\ ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 20 Mar 93 20:16:53 EST From: kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) Subject: ecto #496 >Vickie, > >(caps lock on) > >WILL YOU TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF!?!? > >(resume normal levels) What's this about??? It seems like I've missed some digests or messages or something. Why is Vickie in hospital? Vickie, I hope you're OK. -Anthony (who is even more confused than normal) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)