Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #487 ecto, Number 487 Monday, 15 March 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: on the subject of CD singles tori likes happy!! Fuzzy white wonderland? and other stories Re: ecto #484 one more quote Throwing Muses Anthem for Doomed Youth Snow, PL, Digitising Re: 10k Maniacs: BMZ Re: Getting them to ecto first ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 14:22:17 CST From: lusky@sol.hc.ti.com (Steve Lusky) Subject: Re: on the subject of CD singles From: special K I like them for the reason that you can buy one to try out a group you may not have heard before, but have heard about. I have many full length $15 CD's that I bought on net.recommendations that I don't care for. I'd rather waste $5-6 than waste $15. In the Dallas area, it's cheaper yet to go to a Sound Future music store. They will let you listen to virtually any CD without any commitment to buy anything. $0. Anyone gathering a list of stores with such a sampling policy? Sound Future's CD pricing is competitive, but this policy makes them my preferred store. And they had Warpaint and Equipoise last I checked. Ciao, Steve ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 17:06:12 EST From: jessica Subject: tori likes happy!! Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 17:06:12 EST From: jessica Subject: tori likes happy!! WOW!!! Vickie that is *so* incredible!!!! Having met tori and gotten to talk to her for a bit, i can *completely* understand and beleive her sincerity!! Yay!! I'm so happy that she likes happy!! that is really really cool :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1993 14:33:07 CST From: Subject: Fuzzy white wonderland? and other stories I hope our friends in the great American northeast are succeeding in digging out of the Mother Of All Blizzards. I have just taken a look through Klaus' discography to see if Happy has recorded any snow-motif songs, and found none. This may not be all bad, in view of the relative dearth of things such a song could be segued with. After you've exhausted Tori's "Winter," Janis Ian's "In the Winter," and similar lugubrities, all you're left with is some rather dated stuff of questionable compatibility, such as "Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow" by Mitch Miller and the Gang, or maybe "Canadian Sunset" by any of several Ike Age purveyors of schmaltz (though at least the latter could be fudged, cognitively, to be an homage to the many Canadian friends of these pages :-) ). Where is Weird Al Yankovic now that we could use him? He, at least, has the right stuff to twist Happy's "When The Rain Came Down" and PG's "Digging in the Dirt" into a segue of "When The Snow Came Down"and "Digg- ing in the Snow." Actually, there is another topical song that is up to our standards of esthet- ic quality, besides Tori's aforesaid one, which I now share with you for your edification while slogging through multiple feet of accumulated slush (what Weird Al could do with Pete Seeger's "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy" :-) ): A WINTER'S TALE Jade Warrior Ivy tapping on my window, wine and candle glow, Skies that promise snow have gathered overhead. Buttered toast and creamy coffee, table laid for two, Lovely having you to share a smile with me. And it's all right, sitting in firelight Making the room bright, keeping us warm. Yes it's so good, smelling that pinewood Burning like wood should, glowing like corn. On the wall the clock is chiming, hours passing by, And for you and I the wind sings winter songs. In the village people gather at the Lamplight Inn Drinking liquid sin [sic] to keep the cold away. And it's all right, sitting in firelight Making the room bright, keeping us warm. Yes it's so good, smelling that pinewood Burning like wood should, glowing like corn. (From the CD _Last Autumn's Dream_, Line Records #LICD 9.0063 O . Text formatt- ed as in the CD booklet.) This could be segued, it seems to me, with the Beatles' "Norwegian Wood" foll- owed by Tompall Glaser's "Put Another Log on the Fire." In one of those countless actions that seemed like a good idea at the time, I made a dub of it on Saturday morning, when it was snowing relatively much, so as to have something appropriate to listen to en route to the grand opening of the local office of a new state legislator whose campaign I had contributed to, on the way to see _Damned in the USA_, a good documentary on censorship which I commend to you without reservation. Yesterday, as I was watching a revival of Gilbert and Sullivan's _Utopia Ltd._ in the University of Chicago's theatre/auditorium, I got to wondering what we should do to mark the anniversary of Happy's landmark Albany and Philadelphia concerts, the latter of which was also in a university auditorium. WRT people's queries about the availability of recordings of "Ashokan Farewell, " there is a soundtrack album available for the PBS miniseries _The Civil War_, the show that made the tune famous. I would be amazed if it wasn't on that album. The performers, Jay Unger and Molly Mason, also appear periodically on Garrison Keillor's radio show, for those interested in their other music. Last night, _World News Now_ did the weather to the accompaniment of "Crying" as sung by kd lang with Roy Orbison, as usual against the background of tot- ally orthogonal pictures. Here's wishing Meredith many happy hours of reading full-length ecto posts on delphi. Not only does it give her all our writings in their entirety, it even inserts bonus characters into her own writings back at us :-). WRT Vickie's contest to select a Happy line for a .sig, my pick is the first one, "Where are my monsters and cats?" In my case, of course, it's easy to figure out where one is if I know where the other is, inasmuch as the monster and the cat are one and the same :-). WRT Vickie's other contest, James Earl Jones has acted in both Shakespeare plays and _Field of Dreams_, but I don't see any other connection. I don't know of any other Shakespearean actors who have done baseball movies, nor any of the latter that are remakes of Shakespeare plays. I have, however, been amused by Wayne and Shuster's "Shakespearean Baseball" sketch whenever the Midnight Special has played it (sample line: in the midst of a rhubarb, the manager tells the umpire "get thee to an optometrist"). WRT the Bard, it occurs to me that today is the Ides of March, which _Julius Caesar_ warned us to beware of. I looked up Ides in the online OED, and discovered that the Ides of a month is some number of days (which I forget) after its Nones, which in turn is some other number of days before the Ides. Go figure. Does _Pulse_ have it in for college radio, or what? The latest issue has an article asserting that the rising cost of higher education is making latter- day student bodies top-heavy with the rich and conservative, who frown on alternative music, which makes record labels reluctant to promote new music through college stations. It even sees sinister subtexts in the introdution of NPR programs by one college station in Seattle, saying that many listeners called it "yuppification." At least, this issue seems to go to bat for alter- native music on college stations; an earlier issue, cited in the WESU program guide, allegedly characterized free-form college radio as unprofessional, sloppy, self-important and arrogant. As the old labor song once said, which side are they on? WRT Steve Lusky's query about stores that let you listen to CD's before buying: I think Sound Warehouse on N. Rush in Chicago is like that. Mitch ======================================================================== Subject: Re: ecto #484 From: metatron!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 04 02:05:27 CST Subject: Re: ecto #484 From: metatron!joe@dogface.austin.tx.us (Joe Zitt) Date: Sun, 14 Mar 04 02:05:27 CST Sam Warren asks about Miranda Sex Garden's Madra. As it happens, it's in my CD player now. (I wish I could say that by sheer chance I'm listening to it as I read this... hold on a moment... reaching over... turning off the cassette... oops, glad the coffee cup I just knocked to the ground was empty... pressing the CD play button -- Wow! By sheer chance I'm listening to it as I read this!) Anyway, the album consists of English madrigals, done straight. Well done, for that kind of thing. I heard a track from a more recent CD of theirs on the radio recently, and I must get it. BTW, to whoever's heading to Austin for the SXSW tourist-trap... er, festival, the station to listen to is KGSR (though someone should get a copy of Happy's stuff to John Aielli who runs the show Eklektikos weekday mornings. He has a loyal listenership, and I think he'd play her stuff). I'm not sure how many other shiny Happy people we have out here; I stumbled across Warpaint a few months ago (after seeing Vickie's ravings on gaffa) and have been playing it like crazy (in fact, by sheer chance... :-]), and got Equipoise last week or so. I've tried turning more people on to it, but it'll take time. ======================================================================== From: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (S. A. Ezust) Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 18:34:55 EST Subject: one more quote Vickie posts a long list of quotes, but doesn't include my favorite one, one I liked so much that I put it in my .sig for a couple of months... "My time's too short to waste on things you say without your brain." -- | Alan Ezust depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| Chew your gum and close your eyes and nothing can annoy you. - E.Ka-Spel ======================================================================== From: Scorpii Subject: Throwing Muses Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 20:18:26 EST Forwarded message: > From straffin@cs.stanford.edu Fri Mar 12 02:45:03 1993 > From: Ethan Douglas Straffin > Message-Id: <9303120730.AA03727@Xenon.Stanford.EDU> > Subject: Throwing Muses > To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu (Ecto (Happy Rhodes)) > Date: Thu, 11 Mar 93 23:30:23 PST > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > > Angelos Kyrlidis asks for info on Throwing Muses. As a disclaimer, > I have NO IDEA how TM sounds with Kristen Hersh as sole muse. (I I LOVED Red Heaven, myself. Some people really hated it. However...[see below] > missed them on tour with Sugar a few months ago and am still waaahing > about it.) However, TM with Tanya Donelly (before she left to form > her own band Belly, which is quite pleasant in itself) is definitely > worth checking out. I particularly recommend _Hunkpapa_, where > Tanya's melodicism and Kristen's I'm-not-quite-sure-I-get-it > eccentricity found a perfect balance. I wasn't all that thrilled with Hunkpapa. I liked The Real Ramona and Red Heaven much better. > > Ethan "lurking 'til I find Equipoise & can actually comment" Straffin > Oh, find it find it find it. Even my little sister was hooked when I brought it home. Drewcifer ======================================================================== From: Scorpii Subject: Anthem for Doomed Youth Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 20:22:56 EST Forwarded message: > From meth@aol.com Wed Mar 10 22:45:52 1993 > From: meth@aol.com > X-Mailer: America Online Mailer > To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu > Subject: Anthem for Doomed Youth > Date: Wed, 10 Mar 93 22:36:13 EST > Message-Id: <9303102236.tn16929@aol.com> > > Hi! > > 10,000 Maniacs' "Anthem for Doomed Youth" off _Hope Chest_ may be musically > aesthetically displeasing (John Lombardo just doesn't have a great voice, Ain't that the truth! > imesho), but the lyrics are by one of my favorite poets from 10th-grade > English class, Wilfred Owen, who died at the age of 19 in a foxhole in World Wonderful, wonderful verse. > War I. He was a British soldier, and wrote his poems in his diary, which was > sent home along with his personal affects after his death. His sister later > had the poems published. Another poem of his, "Dulce et decorum est" > provides the lyrics for "The Latin One", also on _Hope Chest_ (but, > thankfully, Natalie sings that one :). Thankfully is right. > > The poignancy of the poems is increased with the knowledge that he died in > the very same war he was so much against... it was a great big nice surprise > to see two of his best works set to music. > > So don't rank on poor "Anthem for Doomed Youth". They say the best ones > write what they know, and boy, did he ever. > > :) > > Meredith > meth@aol.com > Of course, I'm sure you'll agree that the original poems were better than the adaptations, especially in "Anthem's" case. BTW, does anyone else like Hope Chest MUCH MUCH better than Our Time In Eden (bleah)? Drewcifer ======================================================================== From: Martin Dougiamas Subject: Snow, PL, Digitising Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 09:30:58 +0800 (WST) Martin here. Firstly, best wishes to all those on the US East Coast... from the news we've been getting the storm looked amazing. Steve VanD writes: > _Parker Lewis_ is my favorite show of recent times. It is a cool show, no doubt.... too cool for just kids! I've only seen a few episodes but was impressed with the amount of work they'd put into each of them. It is to kid's shows what Twin Peaks was to soaps. Re: Picture database Since discussion has returned to this seemingly neverending topic (I think I first raised it about 18 months ago!) ... I am happy to say I am now in a position to do the scanning. I have in my possession a colour scanner, a big Mac, and the sort of personality that puts things like this before work. :-} So if anyone feels like sending me photos to scan for the database... do it now! I also have a CD-ROM, from which I have slowly (as I find time) been digitising short sound samples from all of Happy's albums, for use as System Beeps. Jessica, ready for a few megs of sounds? :-) Anyone interested in any particular bits of songs, please let me know... Likewise, if you have a preference for format, let me know, otherwise they will be in Macintosh System 7.0 sound format ('sfil' format) at 22kHz. Ach... back to the struggling minions... Martin -- Nevertheless, the second-hand value of pianos is going up, as more and more people need some solid base to rest their synthesisers on. -- From Dr. Fegg's Encyclopaedia of *All* World Knowledge. ======================================================================== From: Scorpii Subject: Re: 10k Maniacs: BMZ Date: Mon, 15 Mar 93 20:32:47 EST > I like Blind Man's Zoo but I have to take the songs separately. Eat for > two, Trouble Me, Jubilee...actually there are only a few songs I don't > like on the entire album; Please Forgive Us, the Lion's Share and Headstrong > don't interest me as much. Those are the songs I skip over the most. > I just don't like listening to it as a whole, if that makes any sense.. > I tend to listen to a few songs than change the cd. Except for Hateful Hate, I thought BMZ was absolutely brilliant and their best album by far, followed closely by IMT of course. > The Wishing Chair....wonderful! But slightly anemic and colorless. > > I thought Our Time in Eden was great! but that is just my opinion...;-) Abysmal trash. Natalie apparently forgot how to fit lyrics to music to make a strong, appealing melody. Only a few songs are listenable any longer: These Are Days, Few and Far Between (if I'm feeling generous), Circle Dream, and Candy Everybody Wants. The rest rambled and snoozed. The thing I loved about BMZ was the powerful songwriting, something sadly absent from OTIE. I rue the day I ran out and bought that (the day it came out). > I think I may have been disappointed if it seemed to be just a continuation > of their previous efforts. Another In My Tribe? No, thanks, I already > own that particular album. Specifically, I found the increased use > of piano, the addition of strings and the trumpets to add texture to the > whole sound, though it is more subdued than their earlier work. Overall, > this rates up there with the Wishing Chair (for me at any rate) It shares Wishing Chair's blandness, with none of the earlier work's fascinating lyrics. > its only personal.:-) I know...same with me. :) > So I stick Equipoise in the cd player and start at the beginning. Runners. > Its a duet between Kate Bush and Julia Fordham. Yikes! I didn't really believe > that it was the same person singing both parts until I listened to the > entire cd. What a range she has! The songs that caught my attention the What IS Happy's range, anyhow? > I think I'm going to have to hear Warpaint now...;-) OH YES. Definitely. Drewcifer ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: Getting them to ecto first Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1993 11:43:03 +1000 (EST) > > Chris: > > The misdirection of your ecto post to me probably resulted from a common > quirk in the direct-reply functions of email systems, which make the original > sender the recipient of the reply, even if you got it through a mailing list. > > It may be sufficient to type ecto's address over that of the original poster. > Failing that, you'll need to figure out how to add a carbon-copy line, as > Vickie often does when replying to ecto posts. > > Did the Keating administration really change the flag, or are they just > thinking about it? > > Mitch Actually, it's just that for some reason I've lost the habit of forwarding the mail to the list, rather than replying and cc'ing to ecto. It's not my mail system, it's me. I keep stuffing up. Sorry to all the people who get 'Sorry that was supposed to go to the list' mail from me. I'll get my act together one day. *:} No, they haven't changed the flag yet, but they've had umpteen zillion 'New Flag' competitions, which never fail to result in being completely forgotten about until next time the flag gets mentioned, and another competition is held. I dunno if they'll change it or not. Eventually they will, when Australia becomes no longer officially part of the British Empire. It's coming; I don't think the citizenship declaration swears allegiance to the Queen any more, and there's a few other things as well. But now Keating has been voted in by the people, rather than just the party, he'll be sure to bring his own personal views much closer to the top of his priorities. Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)