Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #466 ecto, Number 466 Monday, 1 March 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: ecto appreciation Re: PG on J Re: PG on Leno i remember now how it goes PG on bones Mail woes and other things There is *no* casual link! ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 28 Feb 93 21:02:29 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: ecto appreciation Steve VanD, (who doesn't know it, but is a hero of mine) writes: > WretchAwry writes: > > ps, I can't believe he still likes me. I'm terrible at answering his > > e-mail, I always forget to say thank you for things he does for me, > > and then he goes and writes things like this. I feel like Victoria, > > I don't know why y'all are so nice to me. <*HUG*> > > I'll tell you just what I would have told Victoria Williams if I > had been at that restaurant. Even if you don't believe in > yourself right now, you're a wonderful person and it's too late > to try to convince us otherwise. I went to bed at 7-something this morning and that was the last thing I wrote. I woke up in a panic that I had once again let my insecure soft spot show through. I don't know why I keep doing that. I *hate* myself when I do that. I've gotten so much support and this outpouring of love and caring from Ectophiles, yet it seems I keep asking for more. If I had gotten on the net as soon as I woke up I probably would have tossed off some smart-assed "disregard that last line" remark. (After I posted my tome'o'abuse, I came back with something like someone got on my system and posted lots of really strange stories. It was meant as a joke but also served to disassociate myself from what I had posted. I hate myself when I do that too. I can't win, either way. :-) I *will* find a middle ground one of these days, I think.) Instead of logging on though, I made myself a couple of English Muffins and called my friend Sue in Kansas City. I was so scared to call her, because I had to tell her that I didn't send a show down for tomorrow night's show. She was really sweet about it though and we ended up talking for a couple of hours. I felt a lot better after talking to her (she knows all about me) so I was able to read Ecto before going and posting an apology about what I wrote. Thank you Steve, for the above. That's a very sweet thing to say and I appreciate it. I've been listening to the song "Let Me Know, Love" with a different perspective since my brain started playing tricks on me. Happy once told me that it was her "turning point" song. She's singing to herself in the song and it's a point where she finally realized that she had to stop hating herself. Right now I identify with "Where Do I Go" more than LMKL, but I think I'll get there eventually. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Happy Rhodes Rhodes Vol II A-5) LET ME KNOW, LOVE I wish you could feel what I do now Knowing what or why but never how It's hard making the emotions turn around The ones you want lost and never found Ooh can you feel it yet, love? Let me know when you do, love You know what it's like to disappoint yourself You store your confidence on a shelf (Let me know when you do) You hate the world for its influence on you You hate your heart for betraying you Can you feel it yet, love? Let me know when you do, love I can't get rid of those ugly things When peace flies over I miss its wings (Let me know when you do) I want to be the person in my dreams I find it harder than it seems Ooh can you feel it yet, love? Let me know when you do, love -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Yours, in awe at this woman who says so well what I feel, Vickie ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: PG on J Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 11:07:38 +1100 (EST) Mike Mendelson (initially a palindrome) writes ... > Still, his vocals are *great*. I just love the way he uses his > voice... at the same time understated and worn, yet forceful. > He really did seem out of it, though. Man. > Ditto the vocals statement, And when he was at WOMAD many people also said that he seemed out of it. This was on the Friday, and apparently he had only been in the country for a few hours, so we were able to put it down to jetlag. Perhaps he's just been so busy and doing so much running around that he's just completely stuffed. Then again, the songs obviously mean a lot to him, and I could understand him almost getting emotional singing them (especially WotW) and that could wear him down a bit too. I wonder if WotW will be a single ... Chris. Ob Happy: I was going to put some equipoise thoughts here, but I think they'd be better suited to another post. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: PG on Leno Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1993 10:57:53 +1100 (EST) > Who was playing the violin-like instrument Oh yeah, that was L. Shankar. (L stands for something really long). I just realised that the mail I just sent in reply to Angelos' post went to Angelos only. Bugger. Angelos, could you post it please so I don't have to type it again !!! Thanks.!! Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== From: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca. (S. A. Ezust) Date: Mon, 1 Mar 93 02:02:52 EST Subject: i remember now how it goes Someone posted a message saying he was going to see "The Story" live, based on my recommendation, but asked me if I really thought he shouldn't hear their studio recording before hearing them live. To him I answer: Angelos heard them on CD, and hasn't seen them live yet. When last I spoke to him, he said something to the effect of the story not leaving much of an impression on him. Who knows - maybe based on all my rantings and ravings he'll make a point of seeing them next time they make it to Boston (if he's in town, of course), but at the moment, he doesn't know what he's missing! I saw them live before hearing them on CD. I am absolutely crazy about them now. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ob.happy: I think I like basically the entire disc except "Runners", "Play the Game" and "I say". I'll post more blather about each song after my midterm next week. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [In message "ecto #464" on Feb 27, ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu writes:] | From: Angelos Kyrlidis | | Nobody even bothered to guess. :( | | Synergy. The album is Cords from 1978. hmph... I'm glad I didn't bother. 1978??? That's a little before my time.. I was only 8 years old that year! :-) And I was racking my brains over that one for so long! | | I wonder if Happy and Kevin are aware of this. It is frightening that there are 3 songs so similar in names... Someone please ask H&K about this! | ======================================================================== | | Date: Fri, 26 Feb 1993 16:49:00 +0000 | From: "Mary (M.L.) Rowe" | Subject: Re: Happy Rhodes Discography | | In message "Re: Happy Rhodes Discography", | 'bossert@nubis.rutgers.edu' writes: | | > | >and while i am at it, a welcoming footah! to Wolfgang... | ------ | | | V | I can't STAND it anymore!! | I seen this for over a year and | a half now!! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE | explain what this 'is' and from | whence cames its origins!! (KT???) Geez! Greg - you should be ashamed of yourself for playing with the minds of these innocent bystanders. Perhaps we should put "what does FOOTAH mean?" in the FAQ too. That'll save lots of people from becoming insane with bewilderment. :-) (and I better balance that with (-: ) But sorry, Mary - I'm not allowed to tell you - the only person on the list who is even ALLOWED to use that word is Greg... So I will let him answer the question for you ;-) (oops - don't forget the (-; ) | Date: Sat, 27 Feb 93 13:12:41 EST | From: elizabeth w warwick | Subject: Blake's Tyger | William Blake (1757-1827) Of course.. How could I have forgotten something like that... The egg is on my face... And he was quite the pioneer - an anti-fascist before there was fascism with And all must love the human form In heathen, Turk or Jew Where Mercy, Love & Pity dwell There God is dwelling too. | written a bit more than 80 years ago (;-)) but a fine poem | nonetheless... Anything written after 1700 seems like yesterday to me! :-| | ======================================================================== | | From: meth@aol.com | Subject: Stuff (TM) | Date: Sat, 27 Feb 93 14:36:19 EST | | Hi! | | Geez, that'll teach me to not log on for a week- it took me | FOUR HOURS to go through all the mail, about 98% of which was from Ecto. | Don't you guys have better things to do with your lives than post to this | group???? Yeah - like I have a major presentation tomorrow (actually, it's today) and I *really* ought to finish it before going to sleep... Why am I doing this?? AARGH! -- | Alan Ezust depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| Chew your gum and close your eyes and nothing can annoy you. - E.Ka-Spel ======================================================================== Date: 01 Mar 93 09:53:13 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: PG on bones Anjo: > Bass, David Rhodes on guitar and Marsalis played the sax. It was also the > first time I see PG play keyboards during his performance. Did he do that When he toured for So, I remember he played Here Comes The Flood on the keyboards... I think the rest of the time he just sang and moved. -mjm ======================================================================== From: meth@aol.com Subject: Mail woes and other things Date: Sun, 28 Feb 93 22:16:20 EST Hi! I hate this. Not all mail that's being sent to me is actually getting to me, so if anyone has sent me a note lately and I've been seemingly blowing you off, it's not my fault, really! As a result, I didn't get the message containing the suggestion that I subscribe to the Digest (thanks for quoting it, Jeffy :), but I can tell you that since this #@!% mailer here cuts off every incoming message at 8K, that does me absolutely no good. It's bad enough that I miss about 90% of what Mitch posts that way, but Vickies and Klaeuse get cut off too, and as of today a woj, as well! :( :> Wolfgang, Dein Englisch ist sehr gut- besser als mein Deutsch! Und herzlich willkommen! Vickie, "Schluck" means swallow in German, and in the context in which Wolfgang used it, it means . As I type this Bel Canto is being played on ECHOES. No Happy this time, though. :( And the other day on APR's MARKETPLACE, they used Loreena's "Tango To Evora" as a bridge between segments. I played "Out Like a Lamb" and "I Say" on my show today, and during the former got some calls from people wanting to know who it was and where they could find it. :) :) :) One of them was a fellow DJ at WESU, so maybe I'll have some ammunition in convincing the stupid Music Dictators to get Equipoise into the rack (I'm sure the station has it, we've been on the list since I had them send Warpaint last year). Here's one for you Chicago `Philes: a friend of mine is really into a local Chicago band called Material Issue, and is looking for anything at all recorded by them. I know nothing about this band, but promised him I'd check my sources since he's a sweetie and I'm nice too. :> Anyone have a clue? I know I had something else to post, but I'm blanking at the moment. I hate when that happens... oh yeah. Kudos to Happy on making the right choice and passing on the chance to tour with Andreas Vollenweider. 14 months is a long time... especially now. This radio tour thing sounds enticing- I wonder if our studio is still hooked up for live performances... A CD single by *Christmas*??? Isn't that a long time? (If money is a factor though, then I can definitely understand the delay.) I think that "Out Like A Lamb" is my favorite song from Equipoise, followed closely by "I Say". The things she does with her voice in that song, and the almost Medieval bridge I mentioned before, are simply amazing. The structure is also great, I get a picture of something being woven on a large loom in my mind whenever I think of it. And I agree with woj and others that authentic instruments would have enhanced the impact of the music even more. I mean, she had real musicians with her for parts of it, why not the whole thing? But that is, at best, a minor quibble. (Dunno why you keep bitching about it either, woj- if you don't have something nice to say don't say it at all, and that sort of thing... :) :) :) :) :) Better end this before I get myself into trouble! Meredith meth@aol.com ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 28 Feb 93 20:48:19 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: There is *no* casual link! Ectophiles, this is a post of mine to rdt. The thread started with a discussion of the Tori song "Me and a Gun" which deals with rape. I know there are a lot of rdt'ers here but many more aren't. I feel far more comfortable discussing this in Ecto (which is why I said I'd cosspost it) but I had to get a woman's point-of-view in. It's an unusual, non-stereotypical point-of-view, I know. A feminist who's been raped who actually *defends* "pornography"?? How strange! ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ray Peck writes: >I think we can drop this thread soon, yes? Yes, but not until I've gotten my 2cents in. I said I wouldn't write anything non-Tori related, but I lied, ok? :-) I'm going to crosspost this to Ecto, and the discussion could continue there, if anyone wants to continue it. I won't cc, I'll send it separately, so responses there won't come back to rdt. > Sean Donovan writes: > > To me, however, a much more insidious causal effect of viewing violent > >pornography is the changes in men's attitudes after exposure. I think that the relentless violence on TV has a much greater effect on many (not all!) men's attitudes. Boys too. I was as stunned and sickened by the murder of the 2-year-old in England as anyone there. If indeed the 2 10-year-olds who were charged with the crime are guilty, I hope an in-depth study is done of their life. I don't know for a fact, but I would think that American television is much more violent than British TV, so I'm interested in knowing what set them off. > I would note two things: > > 1. I strongly suspect that viewing of violence of any kind has > this effect, but that this is not studied as much, or is less well > publicised. Those who seek out *violent* pornography already have a > predisposition to it, and the character trait which embodies this > predisposition is the problem, not the material itself. I absolutely agree with this. The best example I can think of on this topic is Ted Bundy. When he was caught, the police found many and varied X-rated magazines in his car. Bundy himself later tried to blame his evilness on pornography, and the Moral Majority types picked it up and ran with it. What was not so well-known was that the police also found Cheerleading magazines too. Violent or non, anyone who wants "smut" will find it anywhere because their minds will turn anything into porn, and it doesn't matter if it's Hustler, Playboy, or the Sears and Roebuck's catalog. (Pedophiles *love* catalogs. They're legal, cheap and easy to find.) > 2. These studies were done with pornography depicting rape and > violence against women. I'll stick out my neck here and say that of > all the X-rated movies and magazines I've seen in video stores and > "adult" bookstores, *none* has fit this description. Even in the > seediest places in Times Square or Amsterdam. I have *never* seen > even a *play* rape scene in a video or book. This material is > definately not mainstream, and is not easy to obtain, if one were sick > enough to want to. A rapist who is found to have material like this > has looked long and hard to find it, they didn't stumble across it > casually. Unless, of course, he lives in Japan, where this stuff is > *very* common. I agree with this too. I've worked in a video store that carried X movies and I've worked in an X theater (in the office, no kidding) and I've never seen anything like that either. Of course there's an underground that deals with such things, but the (don't laugh) "mainstream" adult industry really frowns on depictions of rape and violence against women. More than frowns, they condemn it. Personally, I think that there's far more rape and violence in bodice-ripper "romance" novels than in adult films. These crotchety people who picket X theaters would never think of picketing Harlequin Romance or the bookstores that sell them. What a crock of hypocrisy! Yes, I'm a woman, and I've been raped, but I place full blame on the perpetrators, *not* "pornography" or the moon's alignment or anything else that people use as an excuse to justify evil. Ok now, back to Tori...(who I'll see next Wednesday. Yay!!) Btw, I've joined the fan club too. I finally got off my duff long enough to get a money order for the zine (sorry it took so long, M&R) and I decided what the hell, and got 2 money orders. It'll be interesting to see what it's all about. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Happy Rhodes-Equipoise, it's *WONDERFUL*! (imnsho) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Vickie "Fight for the right "My ears are lucky to hear vickie@pilot.njin.net to have monsters" TA these glorious songs" HR _________ "Imagination sets in, then |_ _ | _ The Happy Rhodes mailing list all the voices begin" KB |__|_ ||_| ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Searching for Happy Rhodes reviews, articles, interviews, mentions -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. 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