Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1160 ecto, Number 1160 Wednesday, 29 June 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* woodstock's wrong century Re: woodstock's wrong century hi there/excellent birds/dorky-lookin' chicks in music High-pitched sounds tori on letterman milla and boingo Can create output :) Re: Musical progeny Re: milla and boingo PPV, Joyous Lake, WC & more Ultrasonic hearing.. Re: An Early One ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 23:32:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: woodstock's wrong century Hi! Oh my, we've actually got a few threads going about Happy Rhodes. And on ecto, even. Will wonders never cease? ;> Vickie reported: >Happy's playing a venue called Joyous Lake in Woodstock, NY on Thursday >August 11, and the Woodstock II festival the next night, Friday August >12. The Woodstock festival will be shown on Pay-Per-View, and we *hope* >that Happy's set will be shown. When the time gets nearer, we'll have to >coordinate with any Ectophiles who have access to PPV. I hopehopehope >that they don't pass over Happy. Maybe we ought to write letters :), >though I wouldn't know who to send them to. Whoa, waitaminnit! Pay-Per-View??? Time to write the cable company and badger them to carry it... if we could somehow find out who's producing the broadcast, then we'd know where to send the letters. Is that something Suzanne might know? So who of us are shelling out way too much money to go to Woodstock II to see Happy, hm? As much as I'd love to see her play, it's just not possible for me at this time... sigh. And I have to work the next day, so I can't go up for the Joyous Lake thing, either. :( :( :( Sometimes life really sucks, especially when it hampers my musical enjoyment. Albert replied wrt my explanation of "Wrong Century": >They why does he say "not only am I woman"? He must have been terribly >confused, otherwise he could have just peeked inside his trousers. :) It comes from the "he says, `Girl, I think you've come to the wrong century'" line. This guy comes up to him and calls him a girl (presumably because of his long black hair), and he thinks, Whoa, not only am I a woman in this guy's eyes, but I have no clue where or when the hell I am! So yes, he is terribly confused. I'm sure that if I found myself in a similar situation, I wouldn't think to check inside my pants for immediate clarification, either. >I always thought the weirded out vocals signified the confusion present in >the world the person is transported to ("where everybody moves too fast... >I don't think I can understand *this*", followed by the weird noises). The >person him/herself is not confused, just shocked and appalled, but "still >[he/she makes] a home in this wrong century". Hmmm... I like that take on it better than mine. Can I steal it? :) On to other things... seanympf noted: >Also, womyn have a harder time listening to the very low registers, while >men have a hard time listening to higher registers. >That the listening range is physiologically different. Yes, women can generally hear tones of a higher frequency than men can. For example, I can hear the high-pitched little whine emitted by television sets and computer monitors when they're switched on, but every single male I've pointed this out to has looked at me like I'm nuts. This physiological difference has been proven in studies, but I don't think they've figured out why yet. Aeren (oh sorry, are you Aaron now? ;) added: >Like you mentioned, people are supposed to pay more attention to >deeper voices, which is where the gag about "broadcast quality voices" >comes from. There are only two American male narrators alive at the moment, I think: the guy who does PBS documentaries and the dude who does the Monster Truck and major arena concert ads ("arrrrgh!"). They must be very rich, very hoarse folks. >Think back on every movie preview you've ever seen. Most of them >probably had narrators. Now, how many had *women* narrators? The only one I can think of was for _Claire Of The Moon_, which was, of course, a lesbian movie. I saw a trailer for _Go Fish_ last week, another lesbian movie (anybody seen it yet? I wanna), but I can't remember if it had narration or not... Onica corrected: > Hullo to all Ectophiles! First things first, I would like to clarify >that tho the acct. & mail is under the name Eric...my name is Onica, I am >not Eric, and I am the Ectophile. Am using Erics account, for now. I am >the one who sent the Anais Nin Quote. Well...that said!... Whoops... sorry! Anyway, thanks, Onica, for sending that quote! :} > Anyone else out there adore Danielle Dax??? Yepperdoodle. > Heard of Amy Denio?!? Yes yes yes! And Tone Dogs, too, whoo-hoo! (woj will soon come crawling out of the woodwork to comment further, have no fear... :) > Love P.J. Harvey??! Not me, though I'm certified strange by several international associations. Emily admonished: >Now, now, now, meth, "that is the sort of arrant pedantry up with which I >will not put." :-) Sometimes I'm glad the few rules that do exist in the English language were made to be gleefully broken. :) >Dave, Angelos, & I saw the Nields opening for Chuck Brodsky last >Thursday, and I wanted to thank whoever it was that recommended them. >They were terrific! Had to buy a cd, had to get it signed, had to leave >it in the cd player at work most of the next day... :-) I think I share at least some of the credit for that, then -- I'm glad you enjoyed the show!!! The Nields are going to be at the Newport Folk Festival this year, and for that reason I really want to go. (Oh, did somebody say some chick from Halifax was going to be there too... Sarah somebody-or-other? Gee, maybe I'll go check her out, too. ;) I don't know how The Nields manage to put together a national tour the past couple summers, but they have. I just hope they don't get their guitars stolen this time! :/ Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Subject: Re: woodstock's wrong century Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 00:09:27 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu meth sez: >Yes, women can generally hear tones of a higher frequency than men can. >For example, I can hear the high-pitched little whine emitted by television >sets and computer monitors when they're switched on, but every single male >I've pointed this out to has looked at me like I'm nuts. You've been asking the wrong males. Hmmm. Were they all straight? ;-) I hear TVs, monitors, and other sorts of electric equipment. It should also be noted that most folks (male and female) lose the upper range of their hearing as they age. And everybody has different top ranges anyway. I took a physics o' sound class a few years ago and one thing we did was that the prof had everybody raise a hand. He then turned on a frequency generator and slowly increased the frequency, asking folks to lower their hands when they could no longer hear the tone. I believe I was one of the last 5 or so people to drop their hand (in a lecture hall of a couple hundred people). I don't recall their being any bias of those last bunch of people either male or female. Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 00:09:23 EDT From: mojzes@monet.vill.edu (brni) Subject: hi there/excellent birds/dorky-lookin' chicks in music hi y'all. its been a while. i've been soooo busy. well, now that i'm only working one job, maybe i'll be able to read ecto once or twice a week. of course, i'll be mondo broke, but hey, at least i'm mostly sane. didja miss me? :) anyway, i just went thru 2 ectodigests. found a couple interesting threads. so. a mini-klaus. >======================================================================== > >Josh writes: > >>When I thought about it a little more, I realized that I could come up with >>TONS of dorky lookin' guys (Elvis Costello, etc.) but very few dorky lookin' >>women. (Of course, physical attractiveness is purely subjective, but I hope >>you know what I'm driving at.) >> this is true. there are some exceptions, but they tend to have appeared in non-standard ways. laurie anderson is an example. she is wierd looking, but her whole schtick was as a performance artist, not as a musician. the musician aspect grew only after she had been taken seriously as an artist. same thing, really, with patti smith. elizabeth frazer of cocteau twins is a fluke, and probably only successful because they are primarily a studio band. i think that the push for "image" and physical attractiveness in an entertainer exists in a big way for men as well as women, but it is easier for an unattractive man to be accepted (since he can be taken as a "serious" musician) while women are looked at primarily as bodies, and then as musicians. >======================================================================== > >From: kmorrey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kathleen Morrey) >Subject: Re: Seeking opinions... >Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 08:48:24 -0500 (CDT) > >Albert quotes Josh's original post, then goes on to say... > >> So, the phenomenon Josh observed could be a result of only taking the >> heterosexual male viewpoint into account. What do you think? >> >> Albert, who thinks Counselor Deanna Troi looks kind of cute >> well, the problem is that the entire culture, for the most part, revolves around the "heterosexual male viewpoint." it is where the money is. a while back on the villanova bb, on the music group, all these guys were talking abt various different bands and singers and etc, and i rejoiced one day when i saw someone other than myself mention the fact that everybody was ignoring women artists, quite a few of whom were excellent musicians. he then went on to discuss a number of female artists. for example, he said that he'd have an easier time listening to patti smith if she'd shave her pits, that such and such is really great because she moves so well in her videos, etc. sigh. my response to him kindled the ire of dittoheads across villanova... it wasn't pretty. > >I don't think that the situation quite reverses itself, because society >seems more intent on creating a form of physical _feminine_ beauty, rather >than male attractiveness. Throughout history the woman has been considered >more ornamental, and I think the residue of that historical aspect still >affects us. I'm a heterosexual woman, and I tend to make physical >judgements of attractiveness more on women then on men. It may be simply a >self-esteem issue, such as "Gosh, I wish I could look more like her" or the >like, but it seems that whether one is male or female, the emphasis is still >placed on female beauty in our society. I don't know whether it's because >we're taught to think that men _care_ more about appearance (I only throw >that in because I've found it interesting that nearly all the gay men that I >know care much more about their appearance then the heterosexual men I know, >and perhaps that's indicative of "trying to attract a man"), but in my >experience, perhaps through societal conditioning, both men and women seem >to register the physical attractiveness/non-attractiveness of women more >than men. > >-Kath > i still haven't figured out why it is that women tend to be more critical of other women than men are. i'm a picture framer, and everytime we would get in a picture of a scantily clad female, the women at the shop would pick out all the airbrushed spots, and point out cellulose and all sorts of stuff. strange. >======================================================================== > >From: "Ralph A. Pincus" >Subject: Re: Seeking opinions... >Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 10:42:54 -0400 (EDT) > >And while I'm at it, a little clarification on the Meat Loaf (ugh) >controversy. The thing that makes Mr. Loaf unique isn't that he's heavy set >or "unattractive" (subjectivity acknowledged). It's that he is (was?) sold >to the mainstream by *accentuating* the very qualities that our society tries >to cover up when it comes to women. Just look at his name! Certainly there >have been women artists with comparable physical attributes, but have those >attributes been accentuated in order to sell records, or have they been >downplayed/ignored? That's what I meant by "Could there ever be a female >Meat Loaf?" I won't hold my breath for new albums by women artists named >"Potato Kugel" or "Brisket." ;) > >--Josh >(who is EVER SO HAPPY that people are getting his name right! YAY!!!!!) > yeah. as i said, there have been a few women who don't fit, but they tend not to be mainstream. cocteau twins, tragic mulatto, patti smith... >======================================================================== > >Date: Sat, 25 Jun 94 0:20:33 EDT >From: WretchAwry >Subject: TITP/Excellent Birds (and a bit of nostalgia) > >I would guess is that the song was recorded in July, and the video made >in December. It is true that the only problem is semantics. I guess that >"remake" probably is the correct word, but Peter's is not a remake of >Laurie's version, it's a remake of their original version. > hmmm. its been a while since this stuff came out, but i seem to remember peter being asked abt it. his explanation of it at the time (before SO came out, but after Mister Heartbreak) was that they had written the song together, but had different ideas of what the final product should sound like, so they agreed to do the song both ways, and that they would both help each other out on it, and that they could both put their own version on their next album. just happened that gabriel's next album took a long time to come out, and anderson's didn't. ahwell. only the shadow knows... time to delve into another couple ectodigests wish me luck love brni ****************************************************************************** Oh, I'd love that. | And on his dying bed I am sleepless nights | I'd be a mineral deposit, | the dirty angels I am actors in dreams | a ball of mica | flying over him like I am concience. | inside a rock. | buzzards asked him Karen Finley | Then there'd be no whistles | Do you confess? no radios, | Do you confess? no screams. | Diamanda Galas ****************************************************************************** WE DON'T WANNA GROW YOUR STINKING BANANAS ANYMORE! ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 16:39:46 +1200 Subject: High-pitched sounds Meredith Meth'd: > seanympf noted: > >>Also, womyn have a harder time listening to the very low registers, while >>men have a hard time listening to higher registers. >>That the listening range is physiologically different. > > Yes, women can generally hear tones of a higher frequency than men can. > For example, I can hear the high-pitched little whine emitted by television > sets and computer monitors when they're switched on, but every single male > I've pointed this out to has looked at me like I'm nuts. This physiological > difference has been proven in studies, but I don't think they've figured out > why yet. Well I'm one male who most certainly can hear said noises... I can walk past a room empty of people, but full of computers and monitors, and if there's a single monitor left switched on it drives me nuts (the noise is especially bad if the monitor is on, but not being used, for some reason, but I easily hear it whether it's in use or not) and I can generally head straight to the offending device to turn it off... So rest assured, it is not something confined to female ears... Philip (who has finished his half-year exams!!! Yay!!! I get nearly two whole weeks of holiday now, and can begin to catch-up on reading ecto and listening to music :):):) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 00:41:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: tori on letterman Hi! Well, those of you in the Mountain and Pacific time zones who haven't missed it yet, be sure to check Tori out on Letterman in an hour! The show is *not* a repeat. If anyone wants to venture a guess as to why she performed "Precious Things" and not something from UtP, feel free. I think she didn't know what she was going to play until she sat down at the piano (no band interference! Yay!), but then again, she did a damn good job of chopping 2 minutes off of the song, and was quite meticulous about slurring the word "cum", so maybe it was premeditated? Anyway, surprised and sleepy in New Haven, I remain, Meredith meth@delphi.com P.S. The VCR worked! Yay! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 00:55:42 EDT From: mojzes@monet.vill.edu (brni) Subject: milla and boingo hi ho, i don't really know who milla is, what her music is like, or what the lyrics of the song in question are, having come in to this discussion somewhat in the middle of things... anyway, vovovitch is definitely a yugoslav last name, probably serbian, possibly slovenian or croation, definitely *not* macedonian, montenegran, muslim or albanian (or even hungarian, since there are lots of them in northern serbia, too). if the song is reminescent of german concentration camps, it should be remembered that during wwII, germany took over yugoslavia from the serbian monarch (who had been mistreating the croats) and established croatia as a puppet govt. the croatians then established death camps for serbs much in the same way jews were treated in germany. this is the current serbian rationale for establishing exactly the same shit to use against the muslims and croats in bosnia. hope this helps. ----------------- on boingo: i am always suspect when a band changes its name. it *always* comes with a change in Image, and this is a concerted effort by the band or by the record co to make the band something other than it is, for the purposes of attracting money, i mean, consumers, i mean, listeners. bands go thru natural changes, and the sound changes, and the style changes. as long as the integrity remains, no problem. bands can go thru unnatural changes, however, and the result is almost always lifeless. witness: jefferson airplane --> jefferson starship --> starship the result was industry standard pop. sigh. no more white rabbits. brni ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 17:32:12 +1200 Subject: Can create output :) Well I got a "Can't create output" error from rutgers after posting which, from the accompanying transcript, seemed to be suggesting that it had been unable to send the message to the list... Whoops... just had a 2nd error message arrive saying the same thing regarding the same post!?! (except it said it twice in the first message, and just once this time) Perhaps it is failing to send to only a few of the people on the list? My post was sent to me, at any rate, hence the title of this one, but perhaps there is a problem after all? Anyway, here's what it said in case it helps... From: Postmaster@hardees.rutgers.edu (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Can't create output To: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 "|IFS=' '; exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #jessica"... Can't create output ----- Unsent message follows ----- [...] Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 6:28:24 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Musical progeny OldBob :) writes: > Yesterday, my oldest son Richard (15) came up to me and asked if I knew > of any "deep" music. He only recently got bitten by the music bug and > thought top 40 radio was about it. He is now a new Tori Amos fan! (I > tried to get him into Happy, especially thought he'd like "Be Careful > What You Say", but all things happen when they're supposed to happen!). That's great! I know what you mean. My son Adrian (20) likes Good Music [tm] too, though his tastes run toward etherial-ish stuff like The Cocteau Twins, Cranes, and the like. He likes Kate Bush, to the point where he's bought albums on his own, without my prompting. He likes Happy, but only has what I've given him. As far as I know, he hasn't gotten into Tori yet, and I'm hoping he'll go to the Sarah McLachlan concert in Tucson with Alex Gibbs. He's also into Peter Gabriel, Siouxsie & the Banshees and The Cure. One of the most suprising e-mail letters I ever got was from one of his teachers in college. Adrian had gone into his office for something and couldn't help but notice that the guy had a *huge* Kate Bush poster on his wall. My guess is that it was one of the Subways from The Sensual World. Adrian lent the teacher the _Warpaint_ CD that I'd given him for Christmas. Adrian told me the story and I thought it was cool (that's my boy!) and forgot about it. It wasn't until months later that I got an e-mail from this teacher, saying he loved Happy's music and wanted more information. I sent him the FAQ and told him about Ecto, but I don't think he ever joined up. At least I know my son is doing some quality Happyvangelizing too! :) As Bob and I can confirm, kids don't *always* rebel from the music their parents listen to :). (Btw, I've talked about Adrian every now and then, and thought I'd pass along that he temporarily quit college. He moved from Lawrence, Kansas to Tucson, Arizona and is establishing residency so he can go to the University of Arizona for his Jr & Sr year. He has his own place and is looking for a job, and is enjoying not having a room-mate :). He's still getting used to those Tucson temperatures though!) Vickie (Mama/Moma) ======================================================================== Subject: Re: milla and boingo Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 09:32:34 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu berni sez: >on boingo: >i am always suspect when a band changes its name. it *always* comes >with a change in Image, and this is a concerted effort by the band or >by the record co to make the band something other than it is, for the >purposes of attracting money, i mean, consumers, i mean, listeners. I haven't heard the Boingo album yet, so take this with a grain of salt. Leno actually talked to Elfman for a few minutes after the band played, and Elfman said that they *were* changing their sound--losing the horns--and felt they ought to change the name to match. If anything, I'd see this as an attempt to maintain integrity, a way to say that it's *not* the same band, so don't expect what you've heard in the past. Me, I'm happy with _Only a Lad_. I don't need another rehash of it. Were you unhappy when they dropped the "Knights of the Mystical" prefix? >witness: jefferson airplane --> jefferson starship --> starship > >the result was industry standard pop. Of course, in the other direction, we have Johnny Cougar --> John Cougar --> John Cougar Mellencamp --> John Mellencamp. (a friend of mine actually saw him perform as Johnny Cougar *way* back when...little did he know!) Area lost just one person from the band, but added a few more and reemerged as Moon Seven Times. I'm glad they changed their name, but I don't think many people would have faulted Lynn and Steve for holding onto the Area name. Jeff (who wonders why he hasn't started studying for his midterm) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 9:58:19 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: PPV, Joyous Lake, WC & more Meth is suprised: > Hi! > > Oh my, we've actually got a few threads going about Happy Rhodes. And on > ecto, even. Will wonders never cease? ;> :-) > Vickie reported: > > >Happy's playing a venue called Joyous Lake in Woodstock, NY on Thursday > >August 11, and the Woodstock II festival the next night, Friday August > >12. The Woodstock festival will be shown on Pay-Per-View, and we *hope* > >that Happy's set will be shown. When the time gets nearer, we'll have to > >coordinate with any Ectophiles who have access to PPV. I hopehopehope > >that they don't pass over Happy. Maybe we ought to write letters :), > >though I wouldn't know who to send them to. > > Whoa, waitaminnit! Pay-Per-View??? Time to write the cable company and > badger them to carry it... if we could somehow find out who's producing the > broadcast, then we'd know where to send the letters. Is that something > Suzanne might know? All I know about it is what's come through the Woodstock mailing list (yep, there's actually a Woodstock mailing list, and don't think I haven't done some Happyvangelizing on it either!). I haven't said anything because it's a bit early, plus, I kept forgetting to write about it. Anyway, here's what I got from the list: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 16:48:11 -0400 From: woodstk1@nysernet.org (List Moderators) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Pay-per-view >From today's Daily Freeman (6-17-94): Can't make it to Woodstock '94? Too accustomed to creature comforts? Tickets too expensive for you? Pay-per-view can be yours for this event for $49.95 for both days, Aug. 13-14, or $34.95 for one day. Request and Viewer's Choice - the two pay-per-view operations that will air the concert - expect 460,000 people to watch Woodstock '94 on TV. The telecast will begin at 11:00am Aug 13 with a one-hour "countdown show," followed by live concert coverage from noon until 2:00am. Highlights of the first day will be rebroadcast from 2-9:30am On Aug 14, another countdown show will air from 9:30am to 10am, with live concert coverage running from 10:00am to midnight. A rebroadcast of Day 2 highlights will follow, from midnight to 6:00am. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Check it out: "Highlights of the first day will be rebroadcast [I believe they meant to say broadcast] from 2-9:30am" so *that's* when Happy is most likely to be shown. > So who of us are shelling out way too much money to go to Woodstock II to > see Happy, hm? As much as I'd love to see her play, it's just not possible > for me at this time... sigh. And I have to work the next day, so I can't > go up for the Joyous Lake thing, either. :( :( :( Sometimes life really > sucks, especially when it hampers my musical enjoyment. I bet you'll change your mind about Joyous Lake :-). I just bet. It's really important, it'll be great to see her again in a small place before she starts selling out huge theaters :), you'll want to see what kind of shoes she wears, you'll want to see Kevin (swoon!) again and you'll want to write about it all to Ecto and make those who couldn't go jealous as hell. You want to go, you know you do. After all, you can go to work *any* day...but how often can you see Happy live in concert? If you miss it, you'll just be kicking yourself on down the line, especially once your current job is but a mere, dim memory. You know I'm right :) Chris and I have actually discussed going there, but it doesn't look likely. It'd bite to go all that way for the JL show and then *not* go to Woodstock, but the prices and rules of the festival bite even more. Spoiler for "Happy says" tidbits. > Albert replied wrt my explanation of "Wrong Century": > > >They why does he say "not only am I woman"? He must have been terribly > >confused, otherwise he could have just peeked inside his trousers. > > :) It comes from the "he says, `Girl, I think you've come to the wrong > century'" line. This guy comes up to him and calls him a girl (presumably > because of his long black hair), and he thinks, Whoa, not only am I a woman > in this guy's eyes, but I have no clue where or when the hell I am! Anyone can interpret anything any way they want, but Happy herself said that it is about a Native American male (to answer the question from the Duchess) who is suddenly reincarnated (not a time machine, but not regular reincarnation either...artistic license) into a modern day woman. > >I always thought the weirded out vocals signified the confusion present in > >the world the person is transported to ("where everybody moves too fast... > >I don't think I can understand *this*", followed by the weird noises). The > >person him/herself is not confused, just shocked and appalled, but "still > >[he/she makes] a home in this wrong century". > > Hmmm... I like that take on it better than mine. Can I steal it? :) Yep, Albert has it right. Onica wrote: > > Anyone else out there adore Danielle Dax??? > > Yepperdoodle. Me too! Especially _Dark Adapted Eye_! > > Love P.J. Harvey??! > > Not me, though I'm certified strange by several international associations. I guess I'm strange too, because I don't like what I've heard. Vickie ======================================================================== From: brianb@netcom.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Ultrasonic hearing.. Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 07:29:02 -0700 (PDT) Jeffy sez: > meth sez: > > >Yes, women can generally hear tones of a higher frequency than men can. > >For example, I can hear the high-pitched little whine emitted by television > >sets and computer monitors when they're switched on, but every single male > >I've pointed this out to has looked at me like I'm nuts. > > You've been asking the wrong males. Hmmm. Were they all straight? ;-) > > I hear TVs, monitors, and other sorts of electric equipment. Well, I'm can hear them as well, and I'm fairly straight. 8) I can "hear" a tv with the volume off clear at the other end of the house.. My office is very noisy in that range... monitors everywhere.. br!an -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@netcom.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 11:56:45 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: An Early One Welcome back brni!! *HUG* DaveT writes: > I just looked back in the old archives to see when I joined ecto, and also > what 'number' I was. How many readers are there now? Well, waiting for someone with a fancy-schmancy counter program didn't work, so I counted by hand :). We are 303 strong. 146 on loose mail and 157 on digest. That doesn't count the people at the newsgroup sites (not alt.music.ecto, but the places where sysadmins require mailing lists to feed directly into a newsgroup at that local site) which would up the number a bit. Still, "just over 300" is correct. I expected the number to go down significantly during the summer, but it hasn't happened. Interesting. Not bad for an unknown, unsigned singer chick from upstate New York :). > I originally heard Happy's music at the 1991 KaTemas party in Boston hosted > by Greg Bossart. I joined ecto (actually, it seems in retrospect that > Jessica *added* me without me requesting it, based on my interest at the > KaTemas bash!) 30 July 1991, making me the 39th person to join! > > Vickie seems to be the 11th :-) 11th?? Hey! :) Where did you get the numbers? We didn't even have a telephone for the first couple of months Ecto was active. I sent and received messages from Jorn Barger until my grandma died and left me enough money to get the phone turned back on. (She was more of a sweetie dead than alive. She allowed us to re-join society once, then 3 years later she sent us to England. Thanks again G'ma! :) Thinking how that must sound to newcomers...my grandmother (on my mother's side) hated me, and that's no lie. Tori and I have despised grandmothers in common :) Posting something to Ecto without having to call Jorn up and tell him what I wanted to say, or going to his office on Saturdays to type in or download things I'd written at home was quite wonderful. Still, lots of long, informational posts were posted because of Jorn, so I have to thank where thanks are due. Nostalgia time! Here's Ecto's very first post: 1. Date: Thu, 13 Jun 91 14:58:06 EDT From: gargoyle!cs.rutgers.edu!jessica Subject: Tada! (I hope :) Ok, here's my first experimental posting to this list. Vickie suggested ecto, but a bit late i'm afraid, it's already been called "ectoplasm" but at least that's pretty close! So our address is "ectoplasm@athos.rutgers.edu" and for signing up, etc, there is ectoplasm-request@athos.rutgers.edu I'll put *something* of possible interest in this posting, in case anyone doesn't already know. I've made a lyrics sheet for Rhodes Volume 1. It's on athos.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr/Rhodes.Volume.1.ps. I managed to fit both sides onto one page, *but* you probably shoudn't just cut out the outline and fold it in half - at least on our laserprinters, the black printing of the line down the middle cracks and comes right off in little flecks, very messy. So i'd suggest cutting it down the middle too, it shouldn't make much difference as you'll glue it together anyway. :) Lyrics sheets for the other three tapes will be coming.. RSN :) So anyway, welcome to the list! so far, we are: myself, Dave Steiner, Joseph Dembski, Jeff Burka, David N. Blank, art, Mitch Pravatiner, woj, Jeff Abbott, Albert Philipsen, Laura Clifford, Vickie, Jorn Barger, and hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (feel free to send me your name, if you want :) jessica ------------------------------------------------------------------ Everyone from that original list is still here, except Joe, Jeff Abbott & Jorn. (whew, I'd be worried about J people if Jeff Burka were gone!) Vickie (who loves rollercoasters too!) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)