Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #626 ecto, Number 626 Friday, 25 June 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Pop Profiles and Other Goodies Happy In Australia Part 32 North American Geography made more abstruse Shameless plug/Pantheon More PG! What a day! Help! PJ Harvey Live Good news always... Re: PG! sampling theremins ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 19:26:10 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Pop Profiles and Other Goodies In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article <9306212155.AA11137@sphere.home.id.dth.dk>, you wrote: > He! That's the advantage of having only a few UUCP links on your mail > path (I get News by quite a long UUCP path). :-) But apparently > Ectophiles tend towards the same basic reflexes... ;-) Actually I think the path via which I recieve mail is fairly direct (the system I poll from is SL/IP linked to the real-time net) but being UUCP I only poll twice a day. > I can't do anything about a Happy Pop Profile at the moment, anybody > with some spare time? I'm not actually sure that an Amiga is required: > To judge from the posting, the Pop Profiles may be a bit more general > concept... Well, I am Happy (grin) to collect articles, and find a photo and send it in. Does anyone have the promo photo scanned without the autograph to Jess? That'd be a good one to send them. I suppose I could just send them the FAQ with it... or maybe some informative article or interview as well...? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "Something about this place makes me lose a grip on time and space..." - Saint Etienne ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 19:20:27 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Happy In Australia Part 32 In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article <2c27be64@deepspace.NJ00802.sai.com>, you wrote: > Anthony, have the fax lines been busy? Hope to hear soon that Happy's > available in Australia! I hope to hear so too! :-) I spoke to Janet at Mushroom today; she hasn't heard from Susanne yet either by fax or by mail. I did however take the opportunity to put in another plug for the long-term wonderfulness value of Happy's albums. I'll see her tonight at work, too, as she's the person responsible for dragging the Inspiral Carpets around Melbourne while they're here, and they're putting in an appearance at the club I work at tonight. Some people will do anything for a free drink card. Grin. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "Something about this place makes me lose a grip on time and space..." - Saint Etienne ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 16:41:02 CDT From: Subject: North American Geography made more abstruse WRT Wolfgang's post on _Fried Green Tomatoes_: it takes place in Alabama, in the U.S., rather than in Alberta, in Canada as he stated. Christine Lavin as Athena, huh? Have to ponder that one :-). Then again, "lavin.mit.edu" as an internet domain name does have a certain panache to it :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Subject: Shameless plug/Pantheon Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 19:47:21 EDT From: Angelos Kyrlidis Hi, Well, what can I say? Those of you who have an ear for melody deeply hidden in a wall of noise (mainly guitar) should consider tracking down 'Spore' the eponymous debut EP/CD of a new Boston band. I TAed the guitar player and singer and this is how I decided to check it out. It's very good. Reminiscent of Sonic Youth. The vocals are mostly sung by Ayal, but a couple of songs have female vocals and are *not* more subdued or less intense. The lyrics are quite angst ridden too. A pantheon is indeed a cool idea... Here's mine: Zeus: David Bowie, Poseidon: Peter Gabriel, Hermes: Freddie Mercury Ares: Trent Reznor, Apollo: Tom Robinson, Hephaistus: Lou Reed Hera: Kate Bush, Athena: Happy Rhodes, Demetra: Annie Lennox, Aphrodite: Sinead O'Connor, Artemis: Lene Lovich, Hestia: Sarah McLachlan There still aren't enough... :-) Angelos ======================================================================== Subject: More PG! Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 21:58:10 -0400 From: Michael Matthews As Jeff mentioned, he and I went to the Peter Gabriel concert on the 22nd. Most of what I have to say has already been said, so I'll just sum it up into one word. OhmygodthatwasanincredibleconcertandthelightshowslikeWOW!anditwasdefinitely- worththepriceandI'dgoseeitagainalthoughitwasalotofdrivingformebutthat'sOK. But seriously... the concert was Way Cool. His song selection was pretty groovy, although I had kind of expected to hear some other stuff from So (like Big Time). I'll just have to live with it, I guess... All throughout, I found myself wondering "what's this song gonna be.... darn it sounds familiar but what IS it...". There were a few times where I had not a CLUE as to what the song would grow into (partly because I hadn't heard all of the songs that were performed, and partly because I'm just a goober), of course -- my favorite was for Solisbury Hill. As soon as it became evident which song it was, just about everyone in the Cap Ce-excuse me, USAir Arena, bolted up. I'm not too sure why, but I have a heard time differentiating between the songs in Us. They all have some common sound to them that baffles me. Since I can't explain it it must be one of them subconscious thangs. Wonder if I'm being programmed. I really liked their performance of Biko -- that underlying drum beat was pretty wicked. I thought Peter Gabriel's voice was faltering a bit on that word before "the man is dead," but it happened every time he did it so perhaps that's the way he meant to do it. I can't really think of any song that I *didn't* like. I wasn't as moved by In Your Eyes as I was/am/whatever from So (although that song's got some history behind it), but it was still neat. There were only two things that were "wrong" about the concert. One: it got HOT in there. All those fancy lights and a packed arena do generate some heat I guess. Two: I still don't quite understand why a stadium that really has no public transportation close to it has such a lousy parking lot layout. While *some* unnamed-but-their-Email-address-is- jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu people got out of the parking lot relatively quickly, others who had never driven to the Cap Center took about 45 minutes just to get out of the parking lot, and another 15 minutes just to get to the Beltway. Would I do it again? In a heartbeat. [note: I've finally gotten mail working at sgate.com so my mail address will change in the not too distant future; just gotta resolve some issues about moving my UUCP connection over without any long distance or 1-800 calls.] ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@ectds.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Accordion: A bagpipe with pleats. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Jun 93 23:08 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: What a day! Hi all, Whew, what a day I just had... No need to bore or sadden you with details; I'm sure everyone has a day now and then they'd like to forget. Today I had three major things go wrong, all separate amd unrelated. What a mess. Tonight I played songs from all six of Happy's albums. What a godsend! I feel much better now. I just read Dirk's post about us all hearing so much "bad" news, and I agree it's unfortunate that when we hear about others, it's usually about a disaster that struck them. The fact is, so much that is good and loving happens every day. A few months ago I mentioned R.D. Laing, who said: "We see so much less than what there is to see, and of what we see, we love so little of what there is to love - and to that extent we are so much less than what we are." Ecto is a prime example of something good in the world, and I'm glad to see it made the Albany Times-Union! Thanks to you all, and to Happy for her music. Bob L. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 23:29:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: Help! Hi! As anyone who knows me personally can attest, I have the Computer From Hell. Said computer just decided to eat half the downloaded mail file I was just working on, and as a result I lost a long request for information about Rainbirds that someone here sent me based on my last playlist. All I can remember is that person's address involved mcimail.com- would said someone care to resend that message, or at least send me their e-dress so I can answer their questions? Thanks muchly. Sorry to bug you all with this, but... Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 00:02:19 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: PJ Harvey Live Meredeth told me that she heard that (I love these) PJ Harvey (playing in Germany) didn't have her band with her, and relied on a tape for backup. I had been thinking about seeing her Sunday, but only if the band is there with her. Does anyone have any idea about her domestic performances? Thanks Dennis Parslow You know, it's 90% of the politicians Troy, NY 12180 who give the other 10% a bad name p00421@psilink.com -Henry Kissinger (via Paul Harvey) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 01:37:58 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) meredith, i wrote a reply, and stupidly deleted your address so i can't send it to you. next time you post i'll pop it into the bitstream. > >A pantheon is indeed a cool idea... Here's mine: >Zeus: David Bowie, Poseidon: Peter Gabriel, Hermes: Freddie Mercury >Ares: Trent Reznor, Apollo: Tom Robinson, Hephaistus: Lou Reed >Hera: Kate Bush, Athena: Happy Rhodes, Demetra: Annie Lennox, >Aphrodite: Sinead O'Connor, Artemis: Lene Lovich, Hestia: Sarah McLachlan > >There still aren't enough... :-) > i think that i would make gabriel prometheus, the bringer of fire, and kate could be pandora, without whom life would be infinitely boring. ares can be none other than jello biafra (or perhaps diamanda galas, if you allow crossdressing), nick cave as hades. happy could be pandora's box, opened by kate and her ilk, set loose upon the world. the box didn't contain the woes of the world, but rather it contained the capacity to recognize that something was wrong, and try to understand it (similarly, the apple didn't get a&e kicked out of eden; it let them realize just how fucked up eden was). i'm tempted to make morressy into dionysus, the god of whining, but then i remembered how well puns are received on this list. so we'll leave that duty to shane mcgowan of the pogues. john coltrane = pan. suzanne vega = athena peter hammill = kronos patti smith = eris bono = bono (a god in his own mind, at least) elvis costello = apollo zeus is a myth. there is no zeus. skinny puppy = cerberus edward ka-spel = hephaestus enough. >Angelos > >From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) >Subject: What a day! > >Hi all, > Whew, what a day I just had... No need to bore or sadden you with details; >I'm sure everyone has a day now and then they'd like to forget. Today I >had three major things go wrong, all separate amd unrelated. What a mess. oh dear. i hope not anything that can't be fixed. :( remember that there are good days. > Tonight I played songs from all six of Happy's albums. What a godsend! >I feel much better now. I just read Dirk's post about us all hearing so >much "bad" news, and I agree it's unfortunate that when we hear about others, >it's usually about a disaster that struck them. > The fact is, so much that is good and loving happens every day. A few >months ago I mentioned R.D. Laing, who said: "We see so much less than what >there is to see, and of what we see, we love so little of what there is to >love - and to that extent we are so much less than what we are." > Ecto is a prime example of something good in the world, and I'm glad >to see it made the Albany Times-Union! > Thanks to you all, and to Happy for her music. > Bob L. > hey, thanks from me, too. brni mojzes@monet.vill.edu ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 2:21:10 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Good news always... ...comes in threes* A new Happy album. A new Jane album. A new Kate album. 1993-the year of the Goddess. (Btw, it's: Kate is God, Jane is Jesus, Happy is the Holy Ghost) (But I like the mythology thang too) (Kate would be Cupid, since she brought Chris and I together. Damn, she brought most of Ecto together :-)) *so does bad news, I guess. *Hug* Bob. Alison of the Cranes: Badalamenti's Julee Cruise on helium. I finished the book _Jurassic Park_ tonight. I'm so glad I saw the movie first. Now I want to see the movie again. I saw the movie "The Andromeda Strain" before I read the book, and I was glad about that too. I've read _Congo_, but they haven't made a movie of that yet. See the movie BIRDY, then read the book, then see the movie again. Then buy the soundtrack :-) 10k Maniacs were on David Letterman last night, and Michelle Shocked was on tonight. It's weird because Michelle was *supposed* to be in concert in Chicago tonight. The show was sold out :-(, but since Letterman's show was recorded earlier today in New York, I'm wondering if Michelle rescheduled the Chicago show. It's possible that she flew in after recording Letterman, but it seems strange. Dirk, I'm **SO* glad you're alright! Whew! :-(, that was so close :-(. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1993 17:34:05 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: PG! In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article <9306240314.AA27031@syrinx.umd.edu>, you wrote: > "Games Without Frontiers" was cool, but the song really sounds better with > the repeated "jeux sans frontieres". Maybe Kate wanted royalties on the sample... :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "Something about this place makes me lose a grip on time and space..." - Saint Etienne ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: 25 Jun 1993 09:40:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." Subject: Re: Good news always... Vickie: >I finished the book _Jurassic Park_ tonight. I'm so glad I saw the movie >first. Now I want to see the movie again. I saw the movie "The Andromeda >Strain" before I read the book, and I was glad about that too. I've read >_Congo_, but they haven't made a movie of that yet. I finished Jurassic Park last night. One of the people I live with brought it back with him after going to his sister's graduation and gave it to me to read first.:-) I'm also glad I saw the movie first. I liked the book, but for different reasons. I liked the suspense and the discovery involved with the dinosaurs but the action parts lacked something which was mainly... those big dinosaurs! Nothing beat the power of seeing those creatures on the big screen come to life. I am definitely going to see the movie again at the theater. And drag my friend with me. We went to the late showing on opening night with a group of friends from work and he dozed off! -Quenby ======================================================================== From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Re: Good news always... Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 9:16:58 CDT > > Alison of the Cranes: Badalamenti's Julee Cruise on helium. > And I thought Julee *was* on helium. Re: Jane's stuff. I heard 'When I was Boy' (or whatever) tossed around as a greatest hits album. Is it import only? I want to get into Jane, but need a recommended first album. I think I listened to Speckless Sky a while back and felt it was a little too coy (for lack of a better word) for my tastes, too wispy or not too musical, I dunno. So what do I do? br!an -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@lobby.ti.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Good news always... Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 10:48:53 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Vickie sed: >> Alison of the Cranes: Badalamenti's Julee Cruise on helium. Br!an said: >And I thought Julee *was* on helium. Actually, I'd say that Julee is Alison on helium. Alison's voice is usually pretty low. She has the amazing capacity to sound just like a little girl with a deep voice and a mouth stuffed full of marbles. ;-) Cranes' _Forever_ is definitely worth checking out. I think I like it better than _Wings of Joy_ but I'm not certain yet. >Re: Jane's stuff. I heard 'When I was Boy' (or whatever) tossed around >as a greatest hits album. Is it import only? I want to get into Jane, but >need a recommended first album. I think I listened to Speckless Sky a while >back and felt it was a little too coy (for lack of a better word) for my >tastes, too wispy or not too musical, I dunno. So what do I do? Whoever told you that the new Jane album is a best-of was apparently on drugs. Not that it matters just yet, as it hasn't been released (has it been released in Canada yet? I don't think so, but I'm not sure) My first Jane album was _No Borders Here_. It's a fantastic album and it got me into Jane, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it as a first album. It does, however, contain one of my favorite all time songs (also one of my fave "ethereal" songs), "Map of the World, Part I"). Other great tracks include "Mimi On the Beach," "Extra Executives," and "You Don't Need" (one of the most amazingly depressing songs I've heard: "I think it is the hardest when I see you look at her / in a way I thought was only meant for me, inspired by me." ) Since you want something more "musical" I'll recommend getting Jane's "most recent" (until next month, that is) studio album, _Bound By the Beauty_. I'll warn you that when I first got it, my initial impression was "Ugh, country!" But really, there's only one song that's particularly countryish, and it's one of the best on the album. It's really a superb album. The title track is amazing, as are "Half Angel, Half Eagle," "The Life is the Red Wagon," "Everything Reminds Me of My Dog," "Hockey," and countless others. Definitely worth checking out. With Jane, be sure to give it time. Her genius might not hit you as quickly as, say, Happy's or Kate's did, because it's more subtle and takes digging to get to. But it's worth the effort. Hey, Mike, you don't own any Jane, do you? Oh, wait--you have _Bound by the Beauty_, right? On a completely unrelated note: A totally non-Ecto artist, here's a serious plug for Janet Jackson's new album, _Janet_. If you liked _Rhythm Nation: 1814_ you definitely ought to check this out. I was a bit disappointed the few times I've seen the video for the first single, but it sounds much better in the context of the album. Once again, she's put together an album with a good sense of cohesion. Most tracks are bridged by short (between 2 and 14 seconds) interludes, as they were on RN:1814. There's also a strong sense of lineage with RN:1814, in terms of the aural palette her producers are making use of. There's one real standout track called "This Time" about a woman leaving an abusive relationship. It's a fairly typical r&b dancy sort of thing until halfway through when it switches over to an orchestral portion with an *opera singer* doing a lyricless solo! It's *odd*, but sounds really cool. Also interesting in this song is what sounds to my ear like a sample of a theremin. I highly recommend this album whilst noting that most people on Ecto probably couldn't care less. ;-) Jeff ======================================================================== Date: 25 Jun 1993 11:24:26 -0400 From: pas@math.ams.org (Paula Shanks) I'm having a hard time here with the concept of a sampled theramin. But never mind about that. For another nonEcto plug, I commend to your attention the new Cyndi Lauper. Good songs. Good bounce. No filler. Pshanks THE P IS SILENT ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 11:37:01 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Pshanks writes: >I'm having a hard time here with the concept of a sampled theramin. >But never mind about that. I had a hard time with it too, but it's the only way I can think of to describe this sound. The theramin is such a difficult instrument to play that I can't imagine that this _wouldn't_ be a sample. On the other hand, it could just be that someone was experimenting with their synth and came up with a sound which *I* relate to the theramin. Everyone should see the tape Vickie has of whatshername, the theramin master. The woman, I believe now dead, played the theramin with the virtuosity of a concert violinist. To have that kind of control in the dual, unmarked dimensions of the theramin (as opposed to say the single unfretted dimension of a violin, and both as compared to the frets of a guitar) is astounding to me. >For another nonEcto plug, I commend to your attention the new Cyndi >Lauper. Good songs. Good bounce. No filler. I saw the video for "True Colors" this morning, which was a pleasant surprise. I haven't heard it for ages! Jeff (the J is voiced) ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Good news always... Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 11:57:56 -0400 From: "Dr. Dan" jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu writes: >Br!an said: >>Re: Jane's stuff. I heard 'When I was Boy' (or whatever) tossed around >>as a greatest hits album. Is it import only? I want to get into Jane, but >>need a recommended first album. I think I listened to Speckless Sky a while >>back and felt it was a little too coy (for lack of a better word) for my >>tastes, too wispy or not too musical, I dunno. So what do I do? > >Whoever told you that the new Jane album is a best-of was apparently on >drugs. Not that it matters just yet, as it hasn't been released (has >it been released in Canada yet? I don't think so, but I'm not sure) The "best of" album is _Summer in the Yukon_, and has been out for a bit, though I've never seen a copy. _When I was a Boy_ isn't out yet. I think it's now scheduled for early July, and I'm counting the days, even though I don't know which day it'll be out :-). As for album recommendations, I'd agree with Jeff that _Bound By the Beauty_ is a good start. It is probably her most accessible, so a good first album to get. Her early albums, _Jane Siberry_ and _No Borders Here_ are wonderful music, and hilariously funny in spots. I tend to see _The Speckless Sky_ as a lead up to the _Walking_, which is a beautiful, deep, enigmatic, sometimes difficult album, but not a good album for people that don't like wispy or coy. Of course, my recommendation is to buy everything by her you can find... -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 09:46:10 PDT From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Paula Shanks writes: > > I'm having a hard time here with the concept of a sampled theramin. > But never mind about that. Considering how hard it must be to get ahold of a real theremin, I wouldn't be surprised at all if people resorted to sampling one (or recordings of one) to get the sound. If you really want a hard concept, imagine someone sampling a Fairlight. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 09:59:54 PDT From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Re: Good news always... "Dr. Dan" writes: > As for album recommendations, I'd agree with Jeff that _Bound By the > Beauty_ is a good start. It is probably her most accessible, so > a good first album to get. Her early albums, _Jane Siberry_ and > _No Borders Here_ are wonderful music, and hilariously funny in spots. > I tend to see _The Speckless Sky_ as a lead up to the _Walking_, which > is a beautiful, deep, enigmatic, sometimes difficult album, but not a > good album for people that don't like wispy or coy. I'm going to recommend _The Walking_ to Brian anyway. I just can't associate the words "wispy" or "coy" with it at all. Just as Kate Bush did _The Dreaming_, Jane Siberry did _The Walking_. It has the almost impenetrable songs "The White Tent the Raft" and "The Bird in the Gravel", the sad but humorous "Red High Heels", the heart-wrenchingly beautiful "The Walking (and constantly)", and more. If you can find it, get the Canadian release (which I can't find, sigh) which has longer versions of "Ingrid and the Footman" and "The Walking (and constantly)". And now, Brian, that we've recommended just about every possible Jane Siberry album, which one are you going to get? :-) When talking to Valerie Nozick the other day (who I will be visiting when I travel to Atlanta over the weekend of July 4) I noted that you could make a complete red outfit -- wear Jane's "Red High Heels" (or Kate's "The Red Shoes" when they come out) with Laurie Anderson's "Beautiful Red Dress". One might even wear Jane's "Very Large Hat" (in bold colors maybe). I'm sure there are other accessories others can suggest. ======================================================================== Subject: sampling theremins Date: Fri, 25 Jun 93 13:06:17 -0400 From: "Dr. Dan" stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) writes: >Paula Shanks writes: > > I'm having a hard time here with the concept of a sampled theramin. > > But never mind about that. > >Considering how hard it must be to get ahold of a real theremin, >I wouldn't be surprised at all if people resorted to sampling one >(or recordings of one) to get the sound. > >If you really want a hard concept, imagine someone sampling a >Fairlight. Nah, that's easy. The older Fairlights had a really distinctive sound. If you want that sound without the pain and anguish of lugging around a Fairlight, you sample it. *poof*. I would be really surprised if PG doesn't use some sounds sampled from a Fairlight in his current tour. Theremin's, on the other hand, have got all these little pitch quavers because it's hard to hold your hand perfectly still in exactly the right spot, so I suspect getting a good sounding loop would be tough. I would guess it would be easier to synthesize a convincing theremin sound than getting a sample to sound convincing. Control it off a couple of the light sensors Footah and I built katemas-before-last and you're all set. As for getting a real one, Bob Moog's Big Briar Music (I think that is right) sells some *really* nice ones, but they are also pretty pricey. -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)