Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #621 ecto, Number 621 Monday, 21 June 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: HR5 and Gabriel and Kate There's joy in repetition Re: other Kates ....plus HELLO :) Traumatic info The last word on 10cc (fwd) The fruits of flacking Re: "Mr Ali Bayan! Stark. Raving. Mad." Re: 10cc: The etymology Kate on TV! covert Happy hinting :) sleeping Times Union article Their sinuses will thank them for it and other stories Re: Godley & Creme ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 0:39:49 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: HR5 and Gabriel and Kate > Hi! > > Hmmm, I seem to be the first Ectophile to have a copy of the CD single in > her grubby little hands (Vickie excluded, natch :}). I don't have one yet. Vickie ======================================================================== Subject: There's joy in repetition Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 01:15:42 EDT From: Angelos Kyrlidis Hi, What an amazing weekend this has been! For 13 years of my life I have been waiting to see Peter Gabriel live, and had the opportunity to see his two Worcester shows (thanks Meredith and woj) and will remember them for a long long time. Last night I was basically ecstatic, so I was too busy jumping around during the show to pay attention to all the details, but tonight I tried to absorb what I missed in my enthusiasm. The two shows were identical in terms of songs played. BUT, if memory serves me right, PG did NOT play the drums on Saturday during Shaking the tree (right?). And his voice didn't break during one of the 'I hold the line's in San Jacinto (that was quite scary, he seemed to temprarily lose it, but still played and sang his heart off for the rest of the show-the longer intros to the songs though probably meant that something wasn't right.. I could be wrong though). As Meredith pointed out already, this was a SHOW. This had its advantages (it was well thought out and orchestrated) and its disadvantages (there was no room really for spontaneity and/or improvisation). All in all, it was amazing and it's definitely worth seeing. Digging in the dirt was the highlight along with In your eyes. The audience tonight was much more responsive; they all sang the entire In your eyes, and Gabriel messed up the lyrics in his surprise (he did not sing 'and this emptiness fills my heart'; he sang 'and this moment keeps slipping away', which I found amusing :-)). Also, tonight he didn't sing a single Oh oh oh in Biko, he simply set up the microphone stand facing the audience and rearranged it so that the other half of the Centrum could join in. [Adding to my suspicion that something happened to his voice :(] I guess I am still overwhelmed by the whole experience... Angelos 'Accepting all I've done and said, I want to stand and stare again' ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 08:22:19 EDT From: rmorrow@afit.af.mil (Robert K. Morrow) Subject: Re: other Kates ....plus HELLO :) > From lynnk68685@aol.com Mon Jun 21 08:05:47 1993 > X-Mailer: America Online Mailer > To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu > Subject: other Kates ....plus HELLO :) > > I see there are other Kate and Anna McGarrigle fans here on Ecto! > I have Heartbeats Accelerating (great cd:) and 3 other albums by the > McGarrigle sisters: > Dancer With Bruised Knees > Kate and Anna McGarrigle > The French Record > > Lynn > Stereo Review gave Kate and Anna "Best of the Month" for their "Heartbeats Accelerating" album back in 1991. Also, in 1978 I bought their "Pronto Monto" album on a Stereo Review recommendation. This album is also excellent. I have no idea if it's still available. The McGarrigles actually pull off a song with the following lyrics (one of the best songs on "Pronto Monto", I might add): Just a little atom of chlorine, valence minus one Swimming through the sea, digging the scene, just having fun She's not worried about the shape or size of her outside shell It's fun to ionize Just a little atom of Cl with an unfilled shell But somewhere in that sea lurks handsome sodium With enough electrons on his outside shell plus that extra one Somewhere in this deep blue sea there's a negative For my extra energy Yes, somewhere in this foam my positive will find a home Then unsuspecting chlorine felt a magnetic pull She looked down and her outside shell was full Sodium cried, "What a gas, be my bride And I'll change your name from chlorine to chloride!" Now the sea evaporates to make the clouds for the rain and snow Leaving her chemical compounds in the absence of H2O But the crystals that wash upon the shore are happy ones So, if you never thought before Think of the love that you eat when you salt your meat! Bob Morrow ======================================================================== Date: 21 Jun 1993 09:04:36 -0400 From: pas@math.ams.org (Paula Shanks) Subject: Traumatic info I believe Happy and Artie Traum, who I think are brothers, appeared on Bob Dylan's "You ain't goin nowhere", way back when (Greatest Hits II?). They seem to be folky--have appeared at the Ark in Ann Arbor, for example. So this Happy is not quite the no-name guy one might think. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 09:33:47 -0400 (EDT) From: consid Subject: The last word on 10cc (fwd) AARGH, the most important part of my post got cut off (at least in the ecto digest). Well, let's try again ... >From the new book "ROCK NAMES" by Adam Dolgins: "From an interview with British music-industry impresario Jonathan King, who in 1972 gave the band its name, as he also did for Genesis: (Tell me about 10cc and how that came about.) "I started my own label in the early seventies called UK Records, and I picked up this master called Donna by this group that was put together by a guy that I knew from Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders a long while back [guitarist Eric Stewart]. I had to give them a name there and then because I'd signed the record, and I went to sleep that night and had this dream that a band of mine on my label made number one on the album and singles chart simultaneously in America, and the band was called 10cc. So I gave them that name the next morning. Everybody then decided that this was apparently meant to be the amount of an average male ejaculation [in cubic centimeters]. Which was absolutely far from the truth; it had not been a wet dream, I can promise." (Is 10cc actually the true measurement of ...?) "You, I'm sure, would know more than I, since I've never had an orgasm." (I had heard that you, knowing that the average male ejaculation measured 9 cc, had decided to call them 10cc because you thought they were above average. Is that apocryphal?) "Totally apocryphal. There's a lot of apocryphal stories about names, and unfortunately, most of them are much more amusing than the ugly reality, which in this case is that the name came to me in a dream, a bit like Joseph. I have to say, though, that one of the reasons that I like names like 10cc is you can immediately see them on the charts, and therefore you don't have to go through all the other boring names. It's short and punchy and looks different. It's all sorts of letters and small figures and things. It makes you sit up and pay attention." -Sue Trowbridge * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Threw my youth away now I want yours consid@access.digex.net -The Loud Family ======================================================================== From: moorsa@rpi.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 10:23:38 EDT Subject: The fruits of flacking Back in March and April, I sent out the pitch letters about Ecto, hoping that newspapers all across North America would do a story on the electronic-mail- music-discussion trend, of course featuring us, and thus the Hapster. Albany might not be as big as the continent, but the Times Union *has* published a story based on my letter. I'll get a copy or two at lunchtime, and if I can get some time on the scanner, I'll scan it in and post it. According to the friend who called my wife to tell her about the story, it's on the front page of the second section (local) and has several quotes from me, probably pulled from the letter. Now I just wonder what facts they got wrong; there's gotta be at least one. alanm ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 23:55:23 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: "Mr Ali Bayan! Stark. Raving. Mad." In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article <199306200846.AA28771@info.curtin.edu.au>, you wrote: > Anthony says: > >The TV mini-series of "Stark" has just premiered at the Melbourne Film > >Festival and will screen on TV here later in the year; it was shot in > >Melbourne by the director of "The Big Steal", "Malcolm" and "Ricky And > >Pete" (oh, alright, and the execrable "Pure Luck"), Nadia Tass. > > Seems odd to shoot a movie based in Perth and Western Australia over in > Melbourne. I hope they haven't changed the rest of the plot as much... I believe they haven't done too much damage to the plot; it was shot in Melbourne because producer David Parker and director Nadia Tass have both their production company and their studio facility here. They caused a big fuss by closing off Toorak Road (US readers: Melbourne's version of Melrose in Beverly Hills!) for hours while filming, which upset the socialites. Parts may have been shot on location in Perth, I'm not sure. Ben Elton, I believe, is a cast member, by the way. Claudia Karvan also appears. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "Something about this place makes me lose a grip on time and space..." - Saint Etienne ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 11:11:45 -0500 From: hhtra@usho0b.hou281.chevron.com (T.M.Haddock) Subject: Re: 10cc: The etymology Chris Sampson says: > I've heard that the band's name was chosen as the average volume of > the average male's ejaculate. Ditto the "Lovin' Spoonful". Ummm, no, I believe "Lovin' Spoonful" is a cocaine reference to that little spoon-thingie that was worn on a necklace. At least that was the interpretation back when the Spoonful was popular and I was just a kid. TRAVIS hhtra@chevron.com ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 18:27 GMT0BST-1 From: Tim Cook Subject: Kate on TV! Kate Bush was on Aspel (UK chat show) last night. She talked a little and sang a song "Moments of Pleasure" from her new album. Guess who remembered to video it :) tim ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 18:27 GMT0BST-1 From: Tim Cook Subject: Kate on TV! Kate Bush was on Aspel (UK chat show) last night. She talked a little and sang a song "Moments of Pleasure" from her new album. Guess who remembered to video it :) tim ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 12:24:17 PDT From: tjshadb@ceti.csustan.edu (Troy James Shadbolt) Subject: covert Happy hinting :) Well, I shipped off my fourteen dollars, and already started pounding the local radio and record shops to carry Happy. Being in the Bay Area (yeah, I'm east of SF) I have lots of radio stations, but they almost all run the pre-programmed fluff or country. What's a person to do?? Easy, here's the sure fire way of brainwashing a radio station to play an artist as wondorous as our own Happy... CALL, CALL, CALL, CALL, CALL... you get the picture.. :) So if anyone in the San Francisco are wants to hear songs off of equipoise, bug the death out of KITS 105.3. 'Cause they've got Happy now! Just another word volunteered for Happy's army. Troy ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 13:50:52 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: sleeping Well, after all that encouragement to go see Peter Gabriel at whatever the cost, or at least whatever the cost under $50, i decided to go out and buy tickets, but not hang out for ages. The upshot of that was that I slept late and didn't even realize they were using some sort of bracelet/random drawing scheme, and when I got to the store, all the accessories were gone. Well, it wouldn't have matched my outfit anyway. So, no PG tix for me, at least not yet. I tried going to a sold out 10K Maniacs show with no tickets and there were plenty of people dumping them, for slightly less than they cost (and a few greedheads selling them at double the cost, unsuccessfully I hope). I was solo, and had to turn down great tickets that only came in pairs, so I'll probably still give PG a try. neal ======================================================================== From: alan moorse Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 17:00:15 -0400 Subject: Times Union article Here's the article that appeared in today's Albany T-U. As I expected, they got a few facts sideways. Still, it got the important name in the right size type and a photo of the right face on the page (albeit 1x1.5 inches). I'm just surprised Craig Brandon didn't call any of the other local Ectophiles ... ah, fooey... as though a guy who quotes me from a months-old letter is going to call the other sources I gave him! (but I'm not complaining, no, no) Headline: ---> Fans take byte for more Happy Rhodes music Kicker: ---> Followers use international computer network devoted to their favorite musician BY CRAIG BRANDON Staff writer Happy Rhodes isn't Madonna and her tiny record company didn't have the kind of financial clout to force the world to pay attention to her music, so her fans found an alternate route. Thanks to the worldwide network of computers called the Internet, fans as far away as South Africa, Norway and Australia share their comments each day on an electronic mailing list devoted entirely to her music Rhodes, who lived in Albany until recently and recorded all her albums in Troy, has managed to cultivate loyal fans in places where the record stores don't stock her albums and the radio stations don't play them. "This isn't a record company's device for cultivating fans; this is fans spreading the word about Rhodes' music and discussing music in general," said Alan Moorse of Troy, a fan of both Rhodes and computers. Kevin Bartlett, president of Aural Gratification, Rhodes' record company, said the computer list was entirely the work of fans but is apparently a unique way to bypass the mainstream public relations and media routes to reach fans directly. "For some reason the people who like her music tend to be people who like computers," said Bartlett, who recently moved the company from Albany to Bearsville, near Woodstock. Besides being president of the company, Bartlett plays drums, guitar and additional keyboards on her albums. One connection between Rhodes and computers is that the music is dominated by synthesizers so there is a high-tech electronic aspect and her lyrics deal with current topics like feminism and pollution. Rhodes writes and arranges her own music, which was inspired by "art-rock" performers like Yes, Queen, Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel. The computer list was originally formed to discuss Bush's music but shifted over to her in 1991 after Bush all but dropped out of the music business. The mailing list, called Ecto after Rhodes' fourth album, is run out of Rutgers University, but each member can send questions, comments or information over the Internet and the others receive it in a matter of seconds. Morse said there are about 150 "ectophiles" as the members call themselves, but they pass the information on to many other local fans by printing out the information and copying it. Besides chatting about Rhodes' music, he said, they have transcribed the Lyrics of all her albums and stored them in a data base so new fans can look them up and print them out. While Aural Gratification is not directly connected with the Ecto mailing list, the computer fans have had their voices heard. Rhodes' earlier albums were available only on cassette but were rereleased on compact disk after the Ectophiles said they would buy enough of them to make the venture profitable. "Like millions of music fans before them, they recommended this little-known artist to others, both verbally and electronically," said Moorse. Bartlett said Rhodes' concerts often turn into parties as fans who have communicated over the Internet, but never met, finally get to listen as well as read their comments. While the mainstream music press has not caught on to this new method of spreading the word about an artist, it does seem to be working he said. Sales of Rhodes' albums have reached 20,000 and there are tiny pockets of America where she is a genuine star. Station WXPN in Philadelphia named "Feed the Fire," a Rhodes song from "Warpaint" the No. 1 requested song of 1991. "Happy Rhodes sounded as good as and more interesting than many well-known artists," said music director Mike Morrison. "When we played cuts from her album our listeners went crazy." ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jun 93 15:39:27 CDT From: "ecto's most incoherent essayist :-)" Subject: Their sinuses will thank them for it and other stories On Friday night, Vickie commented: >ps, don't mess with me, the Bulls lost :-/ On the other hand, they got to take their sinuses to Arizona for a little R&R from all the rain and humidity and even some heat in Chicago the last few days, as they rendered themselves the latest sitting duck for dynasty-haters everywhe re :-). (What's the biggest number of years in a row the Yankees ever won the World Series?) Speaking egocentrically, the worst part of it all was that Channel 32 cut out the lion's share of _Flying Blind_ to cover the immediate aftermath of the game, and now it's been cancelled (_FB_, not the Bulls :-) ). In a sense, it was too bad the Bulls didn't wrap it up while the Grateful Dead were in town; the latter's vibes of mellowness would have been useful in furthe r reducing the amont of post-game incivility this year. As I write this, _Fresh Air_ on NPR is doing in interview with Kate and Anna McGarrigle. Ryko has just reissued their first two albums on CD. WBEZ will (I think) rerun it tomorrow evening at 7PM CDT. Check if the affiliate where you are reruns it (or first-runs it, for that matter) in time to catch it. (They just did a song about Frida Kahlo.) So the Happy revue is contemplating alighting in Chicago? I still think that Susanne's publicity mill should start getting serious about preaching the gos- pel of Happyvangelism to the radio community in this town. If they want any ideas above and beyond what I've already dumped on them in the last several months, I'm available. WRT Brni's dispatch from Woodstock: sounds like it would have been the perfect place to do a rock festival a quarter-century or so ago, if they'd only had more room :-). Meredith wrote: >Finally, it's 9:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time- which makes it 2:06 AM Greenwich >Mean Time. Kate has performed on Aspel & Co. By my admittedly quantiphrenic calculations, it was actually 1:06 AM GMT or 2:06 AM British Summer Time. This semiannual change of nominal time, multiplie d by two hemispheres, can indeed be confusing :-). >measured 9 cc, had decided to call them 10cc because you thought >they were above average. Reminds me, somehow, of the bit of business in _This Is Spinal Tap_ where the volume control on their amplifier goes up to 11 instead of the usual 10 :-). Happy Summer Solstice, unless you're reading this from Oceania, in which case Merry Christmas-in-June :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 11:34:10 -0700 From: jmg@rocket.com (Jim Gurley) Subject: Re: Godley & Creme >talk of 10CC... I admit I used to own a couple of their early albums and I did like them when they first came out....but it was the early 70s and I was in high school. That's my defense, I guess. I have a question for any 10CC fan. I know that Godley and Creme went out on their own and put out a couple of albums, one of which I used to own. The really interesting thing about them was that either Godley or Creme, I can't remember which, invented a rather strange guitar called THE GIZMO...a little symhony/guitar-based synthesizer/music-noise machine that they highlighted in I believe their first release. In my never-ending quest for the musically obscure: my question is does anybody remember the name of this two or three album extravaganza from the mid-70s that introduced the GIZMO to the world???? Does anybody know how to get a hold of this oddity??? I think the title has sky in it somewhere. G&C have really become obscure now since hardly any of their stuff has ever made it onto CD. Oh well...I'll send my message out into the vacuum and see what happens. ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)