Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #614 ecto, Number 614 Thursday, 17 June 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: About the CD single... Re: ecto #611 Vital info Attn Chicago Ectophiles-P.Gabriel Digging out of the mail backlog Re: Ecto HBs and NX lpd's, relationships, sperm, gabriel, death (the 5 basic food groups) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 22:17:19 BST From: GTP10@phx.cam.ac.uk Subject: Re: About the CD single... Vickie thanks for posting the information! > Send $12.00, plus $2.00 postage & packaging to: Presumably this is the price for North American Ectophiles. What will it cost those of us in other parts of the world for p&p in $'s or #'s? A note to other UK Ectophiles - I have an active US bank account and will be more than happy to write a cheque (check) in $'s on behalf of all of us in return for appropriately sized (no transaction charges) cheques in #'s. Geoff Parks ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 16:04:36 PDT From: bear@tcs.com (h.w. neff) Subject: Re: ecto #611 # # Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 18:23 EDT # From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) # Subject: HR5 # # Hi There! # Spoke to Susanne today, and yes indeed the disc is out. She said # that Kevin spoke to Vickie about how to get it, and Vickie would post; that # may already be here as I haven't yet checked. She did mention that both # the Warpaint FTF and an acoustic FTF are on the disc, which is designed to # help break her into radio. From what I hear in Californiam it seems to # be working! # She also mentioned something about ordering the disc thru record stores, # in order to make the stores aware of demand. I hope to find Vickie's post # when I send this... # Finally, she mentioned cost in the $12 range. # And there are not a lot of discs! # Bob L. # hi. is there some chance that somebody (vickie?) could post the details so i can get a cheque off today? (a) my local shops are virtually worthless (wrt hr in a timely fashion) (b) i'm leaving on holiday days (or is it hours now 8^) and (c) i refuse to miss out! please excuse in advance if the info is already in my mailbox, i've only managed to get as far as this... tia ttfn, bear. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 16:55:39 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Vital info Howdy. Here's my vital info for the Ectophile list: Name: David Dixon Birthdate: April 7, 1970 Email: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu or dixon@argon.berkeley.edu What I Do So I Can Have Money To Buy Happy Records: Physics grad student Phone: +1 (510) 848-9157 (home), +1 (510) 486-6817 (work) Passions: Writing and performing music, crosswords, College Bowl, puns, skepticism, computer games, MST3K and other choice shows on Comedy Central. And while I'm here, here's a list of the Ten Albums I'd Bring To A Desert Isle. (in no particular order) Happy Rhodes, _Warpaint_ Steve Roach, _Stormwarning_ Jane Siberry, _The Walking_ Jim Chappell, _Tender Ritual_ The Mothers of Invention, _We're Only In It For The Money_ Kate Bush, _Hounds of Love_ Vangelis, _Soil Festivities_ Nine Inch Nails, _Pretty Hate Machine_ Dots Will Echo, _Dots Will Echo_ David Dixon, _Wishes_ :) Toodles, Dave "HR^5 Is Available Now? Where's My Checkbook?" Dixon ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 14:43:43 CDT From: "Jeff "Chip" Lueck" Subject: Attn Chicago Ectophiles-P.Gabriel Peter Gabriel will be live on WXRT 93.1 FM tomorrow (Thurs) morning between 8:00 and 9:00 a.m. I don't know what he'll be doing - probably an interview. -chip ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 16:11:36 CDT From: "Just hatched--gotta love me :-)" Subject: Digging out of the mail backlog Meredith merediths: >Kate's new album will be called The Red Shoes. Exceedingly bizarre. All I >can think of is a bad Tom Hanks movie. But I cannot WAIT to see the film! It wasn't a bad Tom Hanks movie, it was a classic Moira Shearer movie, arguably the cinema's classic rumination on the subject of love and work in conflict. You're absolutely right in being unable to see it. Then, on the other hand, there's _The Man With One Red Shoe_, which really _was_ a bad Tom Hanks movie. >ps. note the new address for woj@work (rewoicc@flic.erenj.com). the >bitnet equivalent will go away july 1st. A pity. The beauty of bitnet addresses is that they save on keystrokes, and by extension, wear and tear on keys and fingers alike. Surprised to hear that "Rubber Bullets" was a 10 cc. I always associated them more with etherealities like "I'm Not In Love." Speaking of which, Steve F. said: >Well, as Bob Lovejoy has already mentioned, the story goes that it is >related to the supposed average volume of emission during a human male >ejaculation. The way I heard it, the norm is supposedly 5cc. Hence the >name could be taken to be a boast. Either that the group is twice as >potent as the average, or that they'll make you come twice! Maybe they added 5 cc each from Godley and from Creme (what a double entendre of a name in this context :-) ). The unfortunate side effect of this discussion was to remind me that I was intending to write something up for Neile's guide on 10 Wheel Drive with Genya Ravan, but forgot. Perhaps in the near future. Paula Shanks writes: >Hello...I am a newly Happy Person and have just learned of your USENET >discussion group. Can I get on the list if I don't have access to >USENET? It seems like such a short time ago that we were actually debating the relati- ve merits of making this list available in a newsgroup format, so it's ironic to now hear it so described, after we all decided to leave things the way they were and are. On a more pragmatic level, the answer to her question is, of course, yes. I assume someone has been in touch about the mechanics of it all. The current issue of _Interview_ magazine has a brief item about Liz Phair. Tower is now selling her album for $10.99. While there, I found the new Cranes CD for the same price; and the current _AP_ mag with a good interview with Polly Harvey. The current _Pulse_ has a good piece on the late, great Arthur Alexander (as does today's _Sun-Times_), and a favorable review of Penelope Houston's latest album, which notes--interestingly--that she started out as a punk rocker. Tying all this in further with stuff recently mentioned in these pages, the store also had several CDs by Ani DiFranco, but since they were all at full price, I found myself with too mild a case of _pruritis Ani_ (been looking, at length, for the occasion to work that one in :-) :-(' :-(' ) to motivate me to buy them up, nor Alexander's good comeback album _Lonely Just Like Me_. Mitch ----------------------- "And the head coach/Wants no sissies/So he reads to us/From something called _Ulysses_" --Allan Sherman, "Hello Mudda, Hello Fadda" Happy Bloomsday! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 20:52:20 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Ecto > > Hello...I am a newly Happy Person and have just learned of your USENET > discussion group. Can I get on the list if I don't have access to > USENET? Hi Paula! Welcome to Ecto. I've held off sending Kevin the second list until later tonight, just so i could check the mail. Glad I did! You're now on the list. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 21:00:24 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: About the CD single... > Vickie thanks for posting the information! > > > Send $12.00, plus $2.00 postage & packaging to: > > Presumably this is the price for North American Ectophiles. What will it > cost those of us in other parts of the world for p&p in $'s or #'s? Hi, I'm sorry my message was so vague about anyone outside North America. All I can suggest is to go by past experience and how much it's cost you to get Happy's CDs before. If anyone was thinking about getting other Happy CDs, now might be a good time, just to save postage money in the end. I'll have to leave you to talk it over amongst yourselves (which might have already happened, since I haven't finished reading mail.) > A note to other UK Ectophiles - I have an active US bank account and will > be more than happy to write a cheque (check) in $'s on behalf of all of us > in return for appropriately sized (no transaction charges) cheques in #'s. Hey, great idea! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 16 Jun 93 21:04:15 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: ecto #611 bear writes: > # From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) > # Subject: HR5 > # > # Hi There! > # Spoke to Susanne today, and yes indeed the disc is out. She said > # that Kevin spoke to Vickie about how to get it, and Vickie would post; that Sorry again that my message didn't appear until late. > (c) i refuse to miss out! You are on the list bear. Hi!, btw. Haven't seen you around for a while, and it's good to hear from you! Vickie ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: HBs and NX Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 11:10:22 +1000 (EST) Greetings Ectophiles all ... Happy Birthdays to Ron Hogan and Mike Matthews !!! May all your Happy dreams come true ;) Secondly, Last week they showed a fantastic episode of Northern Exposure here. Apparently it won all sorts of emmys and things across the pacific, and by jingo by crikey it deserved all the accolades it got. What a fantastic episode. Having all the familiar faces in the roles of the initial settlers of Cicely was a fantastic touch. But the real killer was the total lack of stereotypical representation of characters. i.e. the Roslyn/Cicely relationship. I thoroughly enjoyed and appreciated every moment of it. Wonderful stuff. NX is such a fantastic show !!! I can't wait to see Jurassic Park. Sounds marvellous. And the Second Ashes Cricket test starts tonight. Watch the Aussies crush the poms again, as they always seem to do at Lord's :) :). Seriously, the Aussies are playing really well of late, and have made some amazing discoveries of talented players. We really seem to have hit our straps for this Ashes series. For anyone who doesn't understand cricket, it's your loss :) :). And the single, well what can I say. As soon as I work out how much postage money I need to send, it will be in the mail!!! Work beckons ... Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 17 Jun 93 00:01:56 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: lpd's, relationships, sperm, gabriel, death (the 5 basic food groups) hi all. >From: "Julianne Dunphy" >Subject: 10cc > >10cc >is definitely an ambitious volume. According to my >February edition of "Discover" mag, the "average >ejaculate volume has dropped from 3.4 milliliters >in the 1940's to 2.75 milliliters today--a decline >of nearly 20 percent". They go on to say that in that >time the average sperm count has fallen more that 40%! >Hmmmm.... > >Julianne *blush* Dunphy > sounds like good news to me. :) this could explain how i got away with some of the things i did in my younger, stupider days. > >"Come on guys, show yer stuff!" > --some long lost Monty Python character > um, well, ok. i suppose we could have an ecto/nudist gathering, or something... imagine the pictures that we could send to happy and kevin :^} > >From: Neal R. Copperman > > I am torn torn torn at the prospect of Peter Gabriel coming to town. >While I love his stuff, how much is it actually worth to see him live, and >from how far away is it worth it? Has anyone seen him on this tour yet, or >even past tours to give me a hint. I had all but decided that it probably >wasn't worth the $40 or so it will cost a ticket (with the obligatory pound >of flesh to TicketMaster, that Master in their name sounds more and more >evil to me. Who is this Master really, and what is it's agenda? I don't >trust them at all.) Anyway, decided not to go but listened to the video >of Stop Making Sense last night and realized that you couldn't even put a >price on a great show. I'd have paid a lot more than $40 to have seen that, >or at least I would now that I don't have the option. Saw his Saturday Night >Live songs, which were entertaining but not riveting. > > neal > i would pay $40. even $50, if they were good seats. not $175, like the TicketAssholes were trying to sell me. i haven't seen this tour, but i've seen him at least once each time he's been through since, oh, 1983 or so, and he really is fantastic. pete has by far the best show i've ever seen (of course, i've never seen anthrax or poison or whatever, so my perspective has its limitations ;^> ). the second best was the god bullies, but i don't think that they are still together (any minneapolis people out there who can verify this?) pete designs his shows for arenas, so being back a bit is still worthwhile. bring binoculars, so you can watch the amazing tony levin's fingers... i don't think i've ever seen anyone actually be riveting on snl, but natasha kinsky on david letterman was a blast... oh yeah, the Master is the Invisible Hand of capitalism. you know, the one that keeps the poor from getting too poor, or at least making sure that enough of the population starves so that the others can be overworked for less pay. oops, getting political.... *************************************************************** i've been going through my recent stash of albums, and i've gotten stuck on the legendary pink dots. _malachai_ is, i think, my favorite of theirs to date. it really has some amazing stuff. this is the sound that i fell in love with at the concert. edward seems to have learned a little about sonic sculpture from skinny puppy, without becoming harsh or losing that wonderful lyricism he has. ryan moore is certainly a boon to the band. other than this, i only have _any day now_ and _ the maria dimension_, and right now i think that _malachai_ far surpasses both of these. i'll have to check that later after the euphoria (you thought that word was only used about carpet-bombing "non-civilian" parts of baghdad, didn't you?) has died down. the difference i see/hear is that of movement. earlier lpd's stuff seems more "written" than this, and shows definite progressions between parts, but sometimes there was very little movement. (there are certainly as many exceptions as there songs which i'm describing here -- and i think that if i break down and eat some dinner, my sentences may even start to make sense, but until then...) in _malachai_, that sense of "progress" disappears, but there is still movement. its kind of like the ocean--its constantly moving, but it doesn't go anywhere, and it doesn't need to, because the beauty of the ocean is in the movement, not the destination, or the purpose. i know what i'm trying to say, i just don't know how to say it. sigh. well, i suppose i should post that last bit up on cloud-zero, as well. in other news, emily has been coming up with really bizarre metaphysical constructs to explain what happened to batch after he died, and where he is now. she described what she thought to me, and then said "i mean, i don't know anything about this, but this seems like the most likely answer." well, uh... lessee, batch is going around visiting his friends in their dreams, before dispersing into the world, whereupon everything absorbs into itself a little bit of batch-nature. sure, em. oh, yeah, vickie, i've been meaning to say this for a while (i've been thinking about life and death a lot these past few days), but i kept getting sidetracked. when you told us about your friend (tim?) who has aids, i know i reacted, and i suspect that others reacted, as if you'd just lost a friend. well, i feel differently about it now. he is still very much alive, yes? and he will be alive until the day he dies, just like each and every one of us. just because we know that someone is going to die doesn't mean we should treat them as if they are going to die. because, after all, we're all going to die, and the only way to not have friends and loved ones die on you is to 1) not have friends or loved ones, or 2) die first. neither options seems very attractive to me. there's a non-monogamy support group called "loving alternatives" based in state college, pa., that an ex of mine helped found, so in some visits (i tend to keep in touch with my ex's, you see) i ended up attending some of these meetings. once, we were going around the room, and everyone was describing what they thought a "good relationship" was, and some very interesting and bizarre statements were made (i.e. a good relationship is one with 2 men and 2 women living in the same house and each is intimate with all the others). i said: "a good relationship is when, if someone needs you, you are there for them. no matter what." i think that's true for friendship relationships as much as for love relationships. the woman that emily works for is divorced because one day she found out she had cancer. her husband began ignoring her, as if she wasn't there, and didn't visit her when she had her masectomy. one day he told her "i buried you long ago. you're not going to make it. you're going to die." i think that when he buried her, he buried something far more important than that: he buried his own humanity. but perhaps that was gone long before, i don't know. anyway, what i'm slowly getting around to is that tim(?) isn't dead, and everyone has to keep that in mind. he's alive, and there'll be times when he'll need you. i don't know how to say all this. there may even be times when what he needs may be more than you can give, and if that happens, always remember that there are tons of people out here (180?) who love you, and whom you can call on for support when you need it. this is long enough. klausing for all i'm worth, i faithfully remain, brni (mojzes@monet.vill.edu) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. 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