Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #611 ecto, Number 611 Tuesday, 15 June 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Nice times in the U S of A numan thread, torn, happy HR5 other kates and more Tape project ... Bobo In White Wooden Houses Miranda Sex Garden Jurassic Park: Book vs. Movie gary numan testing ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Nice times in the U S of A Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 20:40:21 BST I only just got a chance to catch up on the Ecto backlog from my trip to Rochester, NY, last week. I came back to 130+ messages from youse guys, I dread to think what my mailbox will look like when I get back from my three-and-a-half-week holiday in Paris & Switzerland which starts on Friday :-) Anyway... I just wanted to say a big thank you to the Ectophiles I met while I was on my way back home. It's just as well I hadn't seen Vickie's OTT pre-publicity for the Chicago get together or I'd have been too embarrassed to show! The reality was one skinny, bearded Englishman who was on rather less than sparkling conversational form due to being shagged out after a long squawk (sorry, I mean after two overlong days of intense business planning meetings). So my appologies to those who found the experience somewhat underwhelming, and to mjm I'll bet you now don't feel half so bad about not making it! Actually, I had a really great time in Chicago. As many of you by now know, Chris 'n' Vickie are really way cool people, even nicer to meet with personally than they are on the net. They looked after me really well. Gaffa Central is an amazing place (though some might find low-light goggles an aid to navigation :-)) with an impressive audio-visual setup and two lovely cats to boot. No I don't think I quite meant to say that like that! Unlike Rochester, Chicago is just like Brits expect an American city to be from the films and TV shows we get over here. After a quick round the new O'Hare people mover and the Cool Thing Vickie whisked me onto the 'L' for a trip to the Downtown area. Amazing. I could have spent hours just wandering around the streets marvelling at the buildings, and the traffic, and the buildings, and the people, and the buildings, and the river, and the buildings, and the lake, and the buildings, and (well you get the picture). The weather was warm and sunny which undoubtedly helped but even so I feel much more like I've *really* been to America after that than I did after two trips to Rochester. Not that I'm knocking Rochester. It's a very nice place, but from what I've seen (admittedly not much) it's on the quiet and refined side (especially around the East Avenue area where I've been staying) whereas there's an undefinable excitement in the air in Chicago. Then it was back on the 'L' for the trip round the loop and back to Gaffa Central to meet Chris, Mitch, and Chip and sample the delights of real Chicago pizza like I wrote in the posting from Vickie's account. Between sending that post and leaving Chris 'n' Vickie's I was treated to a showing of Chris' video for KaTe's "Infant Kiss". And I do mean treated. I was transfixed. It really is an excellent piece of work. I know of few music videos where the images and the music have been so well matched as on that tape. If you ever get a chance to see it, *DON'T* pass it up. On the way out the door I spotted a poster-sized blow up of the "Ecto era Happy & keyboards" picture (you know, the one on the Ecto keychain (or "ring" as we say in this part of the world)). Still the best picture of Happy I've seen. Gaffa Central may be a KaTe shrine but there's no lack of Happy & Jane stuff about too. Yes, it's a very nice place. When we got to the airport the airline were asking for volunteers to be bumped from my flight to a plane the next day. It was hard to resist the lure of a few more hours with these wonderful people in this wonderful place, but duty won out. I'm up to my eyes in stuff to get out before I go on holiday. Not fun but it's got to be done. Drat! And Double Drat!! Oh yeah, the Cool Thing. Well, it's... you know... cool. I mean, to say too much would spoil it. But if you're in O'Hare and don't have Vickie to act as guide just get along to Terminal 1 (I think, the United terminal anyway) and go out from the main part of that terminal to the satellite and back again and then tell me if that isn't just the neatest thing you've ever seen in an airport! I wasn't quite sure I was really seeing what my eyes were telling me was there to start with, but then you get used to the idea and well, yeah, it's *COOL*. Whoever thought it up, and whoever had the vision to get the idea implemented, deserve an award for services to air travellers. Especially to those who have to spend eight hours in the middle seat of a block of five in a jam packed plane which comes down in London with such a solid touchdown that the overhead lockers burst open and dump their contents on the passengers. No medals for whoever was flying the plane after *that* landing! It probably seemed worse than it was, but it certainly felt as though the pilot was expecting the ground to be five feet below where it actually was. Not a word of apology either. Sorry if (or rather "that") this has been a long-winded self-indulgent waffle. But I had such a great time I wanted to tell you all all about it. I'll go home now. I promise. Ta-ta. P.S. I hope your foot's getting a bit less painful now, Vickie. I guess the last thing you needed on Saturday was to spend half of it walking around the city and the airport :-( I'm really sorry. P.P.S. The chocolates were superb. What a star! *HUG!* -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Subject: numan thread, torn, happy Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 13:59:31 PDT From: "Gary Nichols" >mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) writes: >>> >>> gary numan - dance >> >>It's not his best, but still... it's available on CD quite easily by the ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ agreed >...music to start a hovercraft company. i liked _dance_ better than >everything that he had put out before then, and it wasn't until >_new anger_ came out that i saw anything else by him. i don't much >like _new anger_ (a bit too "dance music" for me), and haven't heard >any of his other stuff after _dance_. I thought _New Anger_ was pretty bad too, until I heard the next one: _Outland_. It's even worse... same problem, too. Each song starts out with a little "teaser": some interesting bit of noise to pique your curiousity, and then jumps into some dancy tune that sounds just like the last dancy tune. >>> mick karn plays bass on the numan album, and its really some of the >>> bass playing i've heard. a lot of the time the bass carries the >>> melody. i had a tape of it a long time ago, and it got eaten, but >>> only after the album itself became unavailable. sigh. Numan himself plays bass as well, and plays fretless bass on a lot of the albums after around _Replicas_. >apparently mick karn also played for a guy named david torn (or maybe >it was john torn? no, it was david.), along with some obscure drummer >named bill bruford. You're kidding about the Bruford bit, right? David Torn is one of my favorite guitarists. He makes wonderfully creative noises. NEVER buy one of his solo albums, at least not _Door X_ or _Best Laid Plans_. He has one that IS reccomended but which I haven't been able to find called "Clouds Around Mercury". He is at his best as a studio musician for others like Mark Isham, Steve Roach and Michael Shrieve. He palyed on a record called _The Leaving Time_ by Roach/Shrieve. obHappy: I saw a quote by somebody the other day that they had introduced Happy to somebody who said that they liked her even better than Kate! (a heretic!!) I hereby admit to feeling the same way at times.... Actually, I feel sort of guilty about it, as if Kate had grown a little older and that then this younger woman came along and seduced me away from her.... Oh, yeah! I want to know about the single too!!! gary nichols, garyn@hprpcd.rose.hp.com ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 18:23 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: HR5 Hi There! Spoke to Susanne today, and yes indeed the disc is out. She said that Kevin spoke to Vickie about how to get it, and Vickie would post; that may already be here as I haven't yet checked. She did mention that both the Warpaint FTF and an acoustic FTF are on the disc, which is designed to help break her into radio. From what I hear in Californiam it seems to be working! She also mentioned something about ordering the disc thru record stores, in order to make the stores aware of demand. I hope to find Vickie's post when I send this... Finally, she mentioned cost in the $12 range. And there are not a lot of discs! Bob L. ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 16:25:24 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: other kates and more Dennis enquired about Kate & Anna McGarrigle. I've got a disc called "Heartbeats Accelerating" on Private Music. (k&A said in concert that it seems to be very private music, implying some record company disatisfaction, but then again what other non-instrumental music is on PM.) This album is breathtaking. It is pretty sparse and folky, with some keyboards to give it texture. The music tends to be on the sad side, but it is a wonderful album. THe McGarrigles are Canadian, and I've seen that they have albums out all in French. I don't know much of their other work, but I highly recommend this album. (I once saw them on a list of Kate Bush likes!) Are we restricted to the "S" bands listed, or are we free to supply all the S bands we can think of? Ok, maybe the Cure's "Mixed-up" is merely diverting rather than essential, but I didn't feel like I'd wasted my time with it. FOr those in the 10000 Maniacs market, I saw them a few weeks ago and they put on a fine show, but an amphitheater did not seem to be an appropriate home for them. I still remember the shivers Nathalie plus a piano caused with"Verdi SIngs" at the 9:30 club in DC. Pretty good show though. Even better for me was John & Mary, a former 10K guitarist and mary, on viola and voice. The spirit was much like old maniacs, but more atmospheric, and the whole thing more intimate. (Written and related comments on the maniacs unplugged performance have all been negative, even from friends who like the band.) neal ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Tape project ... Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1993 10:44:24 +1000 (EST) Hi all. I will endeavour to send something for this one, probably a thing of stone and wood or two ... :) On a side issue, I just subscribed to The Box, and it's fantastic!! It's a magazine that I know that I'll read cover to cover, and will want to keep in a collection forever. It's expensive, but well well well well worth it!! (It costs me 20 pounds for four magazines. That's about A$10 per magazine). In case you don't know, The Box is a publication from the Realworld/WOMAD people, i.e. the first few issues are pretty much 80% Peter Gabriel, and you can order all Realworld releases directly from them, and you can get T-Shirts and Posters and .... ooh I'm getting so excited about it ... *shiver*. Please excuse the above euphoria. I've had a couple of good days. It will pass .... ;) Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 00:43 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Bobo In White Wooden Houses I just come back from a great concert: Bobo In White Wooden Houses in the 'Batschkapp' in Frankfurt. Thanks, Klaus, to introduce me to Bobo In White Wooden Houses. They played for about 90 minutes after their special guests, Green Hills, played about 45 minutes. I would rather have had 135 minutes of Bobo ;-). Green Hills had a little bit too much guitar, but Bobo was excellent. Where's the next concert ;-)? The band consisted of four people: Bobo (vocals and guitar), a bass player (name forgotten, sorry), a guitar player (name? MY MEMORY...:-( ) and a drummer. They played a lot of stuff that's not on the two albums. Maybe there's a third one coming soon? Hope so! If someone else hadn't been quicker I might have typed in the playlist, but after the end of the concert someone else JUMPED onto the stage, RAN to the second hand written playlist and grabbed it away. He also got the other one. Must have been a TRUE_FAN. So again, my failing memory just states that they started with 'Even the Wind'. Oh, and Axel identified another song as a cover of Prince's 'The Cross'. That one was played in the second of three encores. Ilka: Auch wenn Du muede warst: Du hast was versaeumt! Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 01:33 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Miranda Sex Garden Hi, I obtained 'Madra' from MSG today, and though I am only in the middle of track 5 on my first listen I just have to say: GREAT. BTW: Is this the music-CD with the lowest tracks/time ratio? 25 tracks in about 39 minutes! Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Subject: Jurassic Park: Book vs. Movie Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 20:21:54 -0400 From: Michael Matthews I find it difficult to compare the book of Jurassic Park and the movie Jurassic Park at all. The movie was aimed at the audience that wanted to see people inside the mouths of dinosaurs. The book would be impossible to put into the movie unless you made movies that were six or seven hours long. The first time I saw it, I had very mixed reactions -- the special effects were outstanding, but it was so much worse than the book. The second time I saw it, I didn't expect anything and enjoyed it much more. I went the second time with several folks from work (we all got a kick out of the "this is Unix, I know this" scene, but we're all basically geeks so that's not surprising). None of them had read the book, and they all thought the movie was great. Only the very basic plot items were in both, and only then when it was convenient and/or necessary to get some "wows" in there. My overall impression of the movie? Great flick. Just don't compare it to the book and you're all set. Almost puts me in the mood for a Raptor jawbreaker. ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@ectds.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Brook's Law: Adding manpower to a late software project makes it later ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 23:02:08 EDT From: goya! Subject: gary numan mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) sez: >after _dance_ numan's record co. stopped distributing stuff in the >us (i guess it kinda flopped), and i heard a rumour that he'd quit >music to start a hovercraft company. i believe that numan was on atco records in america at the time that _dance_ came out (least that is what my lp copy of _dance_ is on). that was, um, 1974, right? after that came _the fury_, i guess...which was on numa records - gary's own label. i don't think he gave up on music, but he certainly concentrated on his other passion - flying - for a while afterwards. dunno about the hovercraft story though. >i liked _dance_ better than >everything that he had put out before then, and it wasn't until >_new anger_ came out that i saw anything else by him. there were a few intermittant releases: _berserker_, _strange charm_, the aformentioned _the fury_ and _white noise_ (a double live lp) come to mind immediately. i think there might be a few others. >like _new anger_ (a bit too "dance music" for me), and haven't heard _berserker_ is held, by conventional wisdom, to be the last "good" album that gary did...and even it has its low moments. i like _new anger_ (also know as _metal rhythm_ in one of the countries) for some reason i can not explain as it is also a bit too dancy for my normal tastes. _strange charm_ is good, but uneven. the latest stuff is the material that i usually lose interest with. _outland_ was atrociously bad. i've not heard anything since then (_machine+soul_ and a few singles, i think). >apparently mick karn also played for a guy named david torn (or maybe >it was john torn? no, it was david.), along with some obscure drummer >named bill bruford. may i assume that this last bit was sarcastic? +woj ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 15 Jun 93 23:51:54 EDT From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu (jessica) Subject: testing Well, we've narrowed down the problem that is causing the bounce messages even further. unfortunately it'll be at least a week before the problem is fixed on ns1. We're running an older version of named... also unfortunately, you can't force sendmail (not what we're running anyway!) to resolve hostnames in any fashion other than through name service. So for the meantime, I beleive i've got a workaround. I'm afraid the mail currently in the queue to presto.ig.com is going to *stay* in the queue 'til it gets delivered or gets returned. But new mail should be delivered, and should not generate bounces!! (note that you'll still get bounces messages for three days - from the messages you may have sent in the past three days.) jessica ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)