Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #597 ecto, Number 597 Tuesday, 8 June 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Artists playing at Roskilde Re: Was lost, but now am foundering... undeliverable mail Omar & The Howlers [Roskilde Festival] Ecto The BOBs tour Germany A quicker read than Jorn's posts in Gaffa :-) belew, askew, oil, etc opinions, opinions, and not a good solid fact to be found! ======================================================================== Date: 04 Jun 1993 13:43:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." Subject: Re: Artists playing at Roskilde >My key: > * I'm *not* going to miss this > + I'll probably be there > . If there's no * or + going on at the same time, I'll be there.. >The dates are July 1st to the 4th. The list as typed in from a >leaflet: >. Sugar (us) I have heard that Sugar is good in concert. A friend of mine made me a tape of Copper Blue and I rather like it. The sound is that of layered guitars, sort of poppy with good lyrics. Sugar has been compared to grunge music. The lead singer is Bob Mould who used to be in Husker Du (if that helps any in placing their sound.) > Barenaked Ladies (can) A live concert of theirs was broadcast on Toronto's CFNY and they sounded quite good. Their songs tend towards the humorous but I would definitely recommend seeing them. >* Miranda Sex Garden (uk) I wish I had an opportunity to see this group! :-) The only album I have of theirs is Iris but it has piqued my interest. From what I know, the band is made up of 4 women who combine madragal type music with guitars to create some interesting sounds. >PHEW! >I'd really really appreciate comments on any or all [:-)] of the >bands. comments? wow. that looks like quite a festival. I wish I was going.:-) Quenby ======================================================================== Date: 04 Jun 1993 14:00:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." Subject: Re: Was lost, but now am foundering... Hello! >"Over hill, over dale, through bush, through briar....................... > and the looks on your faces right now are really funny." -- Happy Rhodes >Metatron Press / Human Systems Performance Group / Heart of Texas Havurah What are the circumstances of this quote? I've been wondering about for a while... Quenby ======================================================================== Date: 04 Jun 1993 14:22:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." Subject: undeliverable mail Hello, I tried to send this to brni but the postmaster refuses to acknowledge your existance so I'll send it through ecto. ************** Your message cannot be delivered to its destination, and has been returned to you by the SMTP-VMS delivery agent for the following reason(s): Error sending mail to : Server replied: "554 ... Never heard of host monet . csc in domain vill . edu" ************** >in other news: on sunday i will be doing some nude photography >(for the first time with someone with whom i am not intimate). >does anyone have any suggestions to make things go smoothly >and comfortably? What kind of work will you be doing? I've done some work with nude models with drawing, painting, etc. and I have found that initially I was a bit nervous but after a while I become involved in the work and the model became more or less a bowl of fruit. :-) If you have had experience with this, you probably know more than I about how to set up a pleasant atmosphere but I'll throw my 2 cents in anyway. Generally the easiest way to make things go smoothly is not to exhibit nervousness or the person you are working with might respond to you and become ill at ease. Does this make any sense? -Quenby ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 14:07:51 MET From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: Omar & The Howlers [Roskilde Festival] Hi, Omar & The Howlers appears in a free concert tomorrow on 5 oeren (*). So, in today's newspaper, there is a description of their music: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< [...] rock's answer to King Kong, Omar Dykes. The blues and Credence Clearwater Revival inspired hero fra Austin in Texas is with his charming presence, his rickety playing style with the, to say the least, forceful attack and his somewhat aggressive vocals a find for any rock scene. Whether it is the joy of rediscovery or a first time seduction - Omar & The Howlers must be experienced at least once by anybody, who has the least doubt that rock'n'roll isn't just grandpa having a good time with the old hoodlums in the poker club. No quite as yet. Thanks to people like Omar Dykes and Dan Baird from the late Georgia Satelittes, which probably is the finest music available in the fun part of rock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< NB: The unreadability of the description isn't entirely the fault of my translation, the original article was pretty hard to read... Also, on Sunday there's a 25 year anniversary concert with the Danish band Savage Rose in Tivoli. I'm not sure I can afford to ignore that concert, Annisette (the lead singer) has a most superior Voice and the band itself is very competent. And it's even a cheap concert: 35DKr if you want a seat, and about the same, I think, to get into Tivoli... *) 5 oeren ("The Dime"): This is an open air concert site in Copenhagen, there are free concerts every second weekend during the summer. Often very good bands, both Danish and international. Jens P. Brage | And I looked up and there they were: Millions brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | of tiny teardrops just sort of hanging there. /\ | And I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. \SphereSoft | And I said to myself: What next big sky? ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Was lost, but now am foundering... Date: Fri, 04 Jun 93 15:11:29 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Quenby asked: >>"Over hill, over dale, through bush, through briar....................... >> and the looks on your faces right now are really funny." -- Happy Rhodes >>Metatron Press / Human Systems Performance Group / Heart of Texas Havurah > >What are the circumstances of this quote? I've been wondering about for >a while... This was Happy's intro to "Would That I Could" at the Albany concert at the QEII, March...18?...1992. As I recall, the song was between "Mother Sea" and "He Will Come" and makes for a nice segue. On a nit-picky note, it should, of course, be "thorough bush, thorough briar." Happy does, in fact, pronounce the extra syllable, as written by the Bard. Copies of the Albany concert are probably still available through doug burks. Hmmm. Where *is* Doug? He hasn't posted anything in a *long* time. (as opposed to Jorn, who swore he was leaving Love-Hounds "forever" but posts something seemingly every day!) I would *strongly* recommend getting copies of the Philly and Albany concerts. If you only get one, go for the Albany; it's more complete. Also, I think the sound is a bit better. I'm still not sure if that's due to the fact that Albany was recorded on analog and Philly digitially, or if it's because of the nasty curved stone walls of the Philly auditorium... Jeff ======================================================================== Date: 04 Jun 1993 15:46:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." Subject: Ecto Hello, It is another quiet afternoon at work where basically nothing is happening. Such are the trials of a lowly student assistant. But at least I have access to a computer! I managed to wrestle Ecto out of my cd player where it seems to have fused with the machine not allowing me to play anything else for weeks..:-) and promptly threw Rearmament into my machine where it has been loathe to leave this past week. A few thoughts.. My favorite Happy Rhodes cd seems to be the one I happen to be playing at the moment.:-) I will put one in and that will be it. It won't leave. It will bug me until I decide to turn to my other neglected cds. I put in a new Happy cd later thinking to escape the fate of the last one and it happens again! I haven't had this much fun since I started collecting Kate Bush. Ecto. This is quite amazing. The songs which stand out for me are Would That I Could (great song about one of my favorite Shakespearean plays. Imagine using this song for a production) Project 433(? hope I got the number correct), Ode, (I'm going to start referring to these by memorable lines because I can't remember the titles)my ears have parasites, let the rain come down, the song about the children, don't bleed on my floor! If so and just about the entire cd. Rearmament. This didn't make as great impression on me at first because it followed to closely upon my Ecto buy and I didn't have the patience for it. Now it has taken up a semi-permanent place in my cd player and I must say that I think this is quite amazing as well. I have a heart inside, she's begging me for suicide. I've put this on a few times and have had to put this song on repeat. Be Careful What you Say has found a place on my running tape and I have a question about this song. It seems that there are two positions being argued in the song. One being that no matter how young you are, you have a right to your feelings and a right to express what you think. The chorus seems to be saying, watch what your saying, you're young and you don't know what you are talking about. Am I correct about this and does anyone else have any thoughts on this song? These two cds seem much more personal in feeling for me than either Warpaint or Equipoise, as much as like those cds. Equipoise, which was my first Happy Rhodes buy, intrigues me. There are stories running through some of the songs that I don't quite grasp and others which spur my imagination. The discussions on He Will Come/The Flight prompted me to check out Anne Rice and I have gone through The Vampire Lestat, The Queen of the Damned, the Body Thief and The Witching Hour (the best out of the bunch) and I can see why the comparisons were made. I have read that the Vampire Chronicles are being made into a movie. Wouldn't it be interesting if....;-) Cohabitants. This was the second song to really catch my notice on Equipoise (the first being Runners) and there was some discussion on who was represented in the song. If the song is representative of a dark side and a light side of one's psyche, it would appear that the song is sung mostly by the inner self that is finding a way to get out. The only lines I can atribute to the outer person are "I've not been here before, I've unlocked the door..." etc. The distorted voice in the beginning is (as I imagine) something from inside trying to get out, emerging, the voice distorted by it being inside and not having a chance to be in control. The lighter voice that taunts is almost like hearing voices in ones head. Its an interesting song and I would like to hear people's thoughts on it. Out Like A Lamb. Okay, I like this song, I like the bagpipes and the chorus which is very evocative, but I can't say I understand the gist of the story. Runners. Even though this mentions environmental issues I have always seen it as a song about fear of death and growing old. Play the Game. I like this song alot. The lyrics seem so direct (as do many in her songs). 'I've been influenced by society, to paint my face and hate my body.' This appears to be turning into a running commentary on individual songs. I will try not to run on so long. Warpaint. Feed the Fire is beautiful and I would like to obtain a copy of the cd single when it comes out with the alternative versions. Recently, Lay me Down and Terra Incognita have been stuck in my mind from Warpaint. Didn't someone say that TI is about Happy's cat? It has to be about a cat! Its so perfect. This has become rather long and I'm sorry about that. I don't usually have alot of time to reply to my mail and it builds up. And then I am faced with a day like this and I try to address everything that has been running through my mind while reading your mail. Ugh. A bored SA and a computer is a deadly combination. I hope you'll be patient with me. :-) -Quenby ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Was lost, but now am foundering... Date: Fri, 04 Jun 93 15:54:20 EDT From: Angelos Kyrlidis Jeff writes re: concert tapes: >If you only get one, go for the Albany; it's more complete. Also, I think >the sound is a bit better. I'm still not sure if that's due to the fact >that Albany was recorded on analog and Philly digitially, Well, it was probably due to the vibes and their effect on analog recording media that can't be captured by digital recordings... Woj was probably happy that day, and the ecto-collective vibe-machine was in full Happy mode. [Couldn't resist, I am sorry... ;-)] Greg should have considered the disadvantages of a digital recording before proceeding... Angelos ------- 'the harder the case is the faster the race is the harder and faster we fall' ======================================================================== From: moorsa@rpi.edu Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 16:45:39 EDT Subject: The BOBs tour Germany I have a list of concert dates for The BOBs on their tour of Germany this month. Any Euro-Ectophiles interested? alanm ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 16:26:54 CDT From: Subject: A quicker read than Jorn's posts in Gaffa :-) In her review of yesterday's newspaper piece on Victoria Williams, Vickie neglected to mention that it gave a very favorable mention to the benefit cover album, _Sweet Relief_, itself. The same section of the Trib also gave a good review to the new Aimee Mann album. Woj writes: >whatever else they find. latest release on interscope (which is an "indie" >label run by warner...or was it elektra?) is called _ask questions later_ Same difference, inasmuch as Elektra is run by Warner. Dennis' .sig quote from Paul Harvey reminds me of the all-too-much-forgotten song by Bob Gibson and Hamilton Camp, vintage 1960 or so, "I'm An Old Chicago Copper, Or: It Only Takes One Honest Cop to Ruin the Reputation of 10,000 Crooks." Ken says: >Next thing you know, CD buyers will only be purchasing a "non-transferrable >music use license" much like the practice of software "licensing".... In the worst case, maybe the _Computer Underground Digest_ can start a music section :-). Angelos writes WRT concert tapes: >Well, it was probably due to the vibes and their effect on analog recording >media that can't be captured by digital recordings... Is the spirit of Jorn alive and well on ecto, or what? :-) :-(' Mitch ------------------ "I want to be a lawyer, I want to be a scholar. But I really can't be bothered, ooh just Gimme it quick, gimme it, gimme gimme, gimme, gimme" --Kate Bush "I'm so glad/I'm a sociologist/I'm so glad/I'm a sociologist/I'm so glad/ I'm a sociologist/We've got problems philosophical/With tensions catastrophical/Proved by cases most apocryphal/I'm so glad" --Win Stracke ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 21:59:47 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: belew, askew, oil, etc >From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) > >Hi all! > >cheh till [damn, I though it was "sheh till"! I've been listening to >too many Norwegians! ;-)] writes: > >> Are there any Ectophiles planning to go to the Roskilde festival? >> Jens? For you geographically challenged (PC speak for Americans? just >> kidding :-), Roskilde is just outside Copenhagen. And I'm not going to >> tell you where Copenhagen is, so there. > speaking of copenhagen, my father is travelling to serbia to research a book he'll be writing on the war, and has to get there via hungary, and he has to get *there* via copenhagen (don't ask why, no one knows). anyway, he will have a stopover in copenhagan on either september 7th or 8th, arriving early evening and leaving in the morning, and was wondering if there was anyone out there who could put him up for the night. >> Brni mentions that Joy Askew has played with Laurie Anderson in the >> past. No solo albums? Did I mention how utterly impressed I was by her >> performance (both playing and singing) at the Peter Gabriel concert? > >Her performance in Laurie Anderson's "Home of the Brave" is pretty >good too. In the "work-out" scene (can't remember the song title, but >if you've seen the movie, you know what I mean! ;-)) she demonstrates >that it is possible to play keyboards while doing stretches... :-) > not only that, but she did some *fantastic* work with joe jackson. >Chris mentions: > >> Geoffrey is well worth seeing. Also at WOMADELAIDE, he almost stole >> the whole show (mind you PG was coming on after him so he didn't >> steal _that_ much ;) ) He had some really good songs, and a guitarist >> that did some really weird things with the guitar. Things I didn't >> know could be done with one. I was really impressed and thoroughly >> enjoyed his performance. Try not to miss this one :) > >Also from "Home of the Brave": Laurie Anderson's guitar player really >shows what can be done with a guitar. How about playing table tennis >(with the guitar) while playing the music (this guitar has a rubber >neck, that makes for some rather spectacular effects!). Or playing >the guitar with kitchen implements (sounds amazingly good, btw.)? ;-) > LA's guitar player for that tour was adrian belew. he's played with king crimson, talking heads, the bears, frank zappa, laurie anderson, um, um, um, i'm forgetting someone...oh!!! david bowie. if you ever get a chance, listen to the live version of "station to station" which features adrian belew on choo-choo train---i mean---guitar. i can't remember what album it was on: a friend owned it, and a "friend" of his stole it, and it was rare, so he never found another copy. > >Finally, anybody remember where the lyrics "I blame you for the >moonlight nights" (or something like that) comes from? I heard it on >the radio in Hungary (nice female vocals) but couldn't catch the >artists name. And I get the feeling the these lyrics have been >mentioned on Ecto... > tasmin archer. i really really like that song. fortunately, they have been playing more songs off the album on wxpn, so i know not to buy the album. they are tragic: corporate production of so-called "alternative" music. > Jens P. Brage | And I looked up and there they were: Millions >brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | of tiny teardrops just sort of hanging there. > /\ | And I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. > \SphereSoft | And I said to myself: What next big sky? > **************************************** is this what they call "klausing"? >From: goya! > >mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) sez: >>personally, i would like to hear a compilation of all the different >>versions of "all along the watchtower." > >interestingly enough, if one deconstructs "running up that hill" to its >bare bones and listens to the guitar portion in the middle, one notes an >*uncanny* resemblance to "all along the watchtower." we threatened to >break into that last year at KaTemas when playing "ruth," but could barely >hold onto it as it was - it ended in what sounds to me, in retrospect, >like a trainwreck. > there is a certain aesthetic to trainwrecks... ;^> >from the roskilde festival: >>=== main attractions ============================= >> Chris Isaak (us) > >this whiner is a main attraction? gag. > hmmm. i actually like the one song. it fits well when i go into david lynch mode. >>=== next category ================================ >> American Music Club (us) > >*go* see this band. if you like tuneful, emotional music that'll rip your >heart in two and stomp on it just for good measure, than this band is for >you. america is finally catching on to the genius of this band after so >many albums - their fifth or sixth and first on a major label, _mercury_ >just came out recently and it's good. kinda like red house painters or a >male heidi berry (in tone if not in voice). > or, alternately, *don't* go to see this band. i heard them for the first time today on the radio, and it reminded me of those horrible horrible times in 2nd grade when we had to learn squaredancing in music class. >> Cop Shoot Cop (us) > >noise meisters. two bassists (one high-end and one low-end), one percussion- >ist (half his drum kit is metal and junk), one singer, sometimes violin and >whatever else they find. latest release on interscope (which is an "indie" >label run by warner...or was it elektra?) is called _ask questions later_ >and is pretty good. track down earlier stuff if you can as its better (i >guess this is aimed at angelos, my fellow noisefiend on ecto ;) > ahem. i guess skinny puppy, god bullies, and foetus count as easy listening? >well, having nearly, what? 15 or so years of playing under their belts, >it's bound to help a band establish themselves. especially in their case >where they worked from down up (pun intended). i remember when _diesel and >dust_ made the big time in the states. i remember asking people why it >took them so long to catch on to midnight oil. i had some problems with >_blue sky mining_ though which i thought was a little bit too much resting >on their laurels. i haven't heard the new one yet. > i still haven't decided whether i like this band or not. i do like their politics, tho. i also haven't decided whether i really like suddenly tammy! or just find her voice vaguely annoying... >Karl Dotzek sez: >>KTH> * Shonen Knife (jap) >>Very much pop, not even punk. Saw them in Stuttgart and was >>disappointed. Nice smilin' girls, who can't play. > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >oh c'mon...that's part of their charm| > i can't remember who said this, but he said that sometimes musical ability sometimes gets in the way of what you're doing, and that some of the best band "were shit, technically." he mentioned gang of four as a prime example (Gof4 is one of my all time favorites, what can i say). >+woj > me mojzes@monet.vill.edu ps personal note to bob lovejoy, if'n you got this far: the day you gave me that gentle giant tape, i called wxpn to request it, because i couldn't wait till work was done to hear it, but they wouldn't play any gentle giant at all, because "we only have it on vinyl." but apparently, someone else has been bugging them, so they are thinking of getting some. if that person was you, good going. if not, consider calling once in a while to request some gentle giant. :) any other philly ectophiles are welcome to join the quest to get wxpn to play gentle giant... ****************************************************************************** Oh, I'd love that. | And on his dying bed I am sleepless nights | I'd be a mineral deposit, | the dirty angels I am actors in dreams | a ball of mica | flying over him like I am concience. | inside a rock. | buzzards asked him Karen Finley | Then there'd be no whistles | Do you confess? no radios, | Do you confess? no screams. | Diamanda Galas ****************************************************************************** WE DON'T WANNA GROW YOUR STINKING BANANAS ANYMORE! ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 22:21:01 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: opinions, opinions, and not a good solid fact to be found! >From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme > >My key: > * I'm *not* going to miss this > + I'll probably be there > . If there's no * or + going on at the same time, I'll be there.. > >The dates are July 1st to the 4th. The list as typed in from a >leaflet: > >=== main attractions ============================= >+ Neil Young & Booker T. & The M.G.'s (can/us) >+ Red Hot Chili Peppers (us) > Midnight Oil (aus) >+ Velvet Underground (us) > Ray Charles & The Raeletts & The Ray Charles Orchestra (us) > Chris Isaak (us) > Living Colour (us) i would consider midnight oil and seriously consider ray charles, as well. of course, i'll be in philadelphia... >=== next category ================================ >* Kronos Quartet (us) > Sonic Youth (us) >. Sugar (us) >. Suicidal Tendencies (us) definately see kronos! you might want to check out sonic youth, too. they tend to be loud and dischordant, but sometimes they weave that strange dissonance into a strangely beautiful, well, not melody, but something. i would skip sugar (but then again, i don't like husker du, or most skate punk music), but would try to catch suicidal tendencies for purely nostalgic reasons. >=== barely-worth-the-ink category :-) ============ > Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy [sic] (us) > Voivod (can) > i've never heard the disposable heroes of hiphoprisy, but several people i know whose musical tastes i respect like them. they are a very political rap group (i almost wrote "band"-- ha!) without all the racist/mysogynist stuff that is found in much of rap, and their name surely indicates that they have more of a sense of humor than consolidated (the vegetarian, gay/lesbian support, communist rap group). if you are thinking about seeing motorhead as you indicated above, you may want to consider seeing voivod as well, or instead. they are probably more interesting musically than motorhead, and the show is likely to be less crowded. >PHEW! > never heard of them. >The code in the parentheses is the symbol used on cars to denote >nationality, if you wondered. > some people in the usa put these on their cars, but *good patriots* know that this means that they are actually communists. or maybe iraqis. >Kjetil T. > brni mojzes@monet.vill.edu ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. 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