Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #596 ecto, Number 596 Tuesday, 8 June 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Debbie/Deborah Harry Depressiveness stuff More war on the beleagured music consumer? more replies, less new threads Roskilde Festival Bouncing back for more! Re: stuff Re: Roskilde Festival Re: thank you mr. burka "Be sweet be free... Re: more replies, less new threads Re: thank you mr. burka Tasmin Archer Re: More war on the beleagured music consumer? ======================================================================== _Six_ Digests on the way. My apologies to you for not sending any out over the weekend and yesterday!! --jessica ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 15:53:41 EST Subject: Re: Debbie/Deborah Harry Jens sez: >Yeah, I bought "Rockbird" recently and was pretty disappointed: I've >had "Def, Dumb and Blonde" for some time and like it quite a bit, so I >was hoping for something similar. But as R is from 1986 and DDaB is >from 1989, there's hope for the new one! :-) > >DDaD: Recommended, R: Don't bother... Is "Def, Dumb and Blonde" the one with 'Backfired'? I liked that song quite a bit! Anyone know when the new Deborah Harry album is coming out? - Michael B P.S. I can't believe that it took me this long to reply to this? :-( ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1993 17:05:19 -0500 From: lan@panix.com (Larry Nathanson) Subject: Depressiveness Mike Mendelson writes.... > ... but by far >the most reigning opinion was "Is she depressed, or WHAT?" >I found this rather odd, because I view The Chase as one of Happy's >HAPPIER songs! Jeff, care to convince me otherwise? :-) Funny- I got the same comments -- I was playing a mix tape in the car, which got as far as Look for the Child, and I am a Legend, and they all told me to take off the depressive music!!!!! I considered putting on Suicide Song for them, but decided they wouldn't really appreciate it... I don't think of her music as depressing at all. It's an understatement to say it has dark overtones, but I wouldn't call it depressing... Some people! --L ------ Larry Nathanson, SUNY HSC Brooklyn College of Medicine '96 Med 1 -> Bottom of the Food Chain "The majority of surgery needle stick injuries occur on the index finger of the non-dominant hand of the surgeon, feeling for the needle. I have come up with something to prevent this. It's called an intern." -- Epidemiology Lecture 3 June 93 ======================================================================== Subject: stuff Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 14:12:26 PDT From: "Gary Nichols" brni wrote: > personally, i would like to hear a compilation of all the different > versions of "all along the watchtower." i know of dylan's, hendrix's, > michael hedges', and xtc's versions (and i really feel that i'm > missing one that i *should* know), but i'm sure that there are > plenty others. Dave Mason (formerly of Traffic) did a version.... Also, WRT Vickie's son in college: Vickie! Wow! I knew you had a kid and I was going to ask you how old before, since you and I are roughly the same age, but I was thinking that he must be lots younger (my son is 5).... gary garyn@hprgn.rose.hp.com ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 03 Jun 93 16:03:56 CDT From: "The man with the golden gums :-)" Subject: More war on the beleagured music consumer? (Note: Today's handle and topic have nothing to do with each other; I happened to have a cavity filled this morning, thus contributing further to my dentist's economic security, and found the opportunity to mark the occasion irresistible. ) The new issue of the _Chicago Reader_ carries a story about the major labels' latest salvo against sellers of used CDs. The Warner, Sony and Capitol label groups have withdrawn co-op money (contribution to the cost of ads that feature a given label's products) from stores that sell them. Small chains, the kind most likely to sell used CDs, have started an association, the Independent Music Retailers Association, to try to fight this action. The article quotes association director Don Kulak: "One of the things that make independent retailers unique is their ability to be a proving ground for new artists. They can offer the product at a few dollars less, plus, if the customer doesn't like the record, they can offer to take it back in trade." The small stores' first strategy, according to the article, is "the retail version of a work slowdown." Promotion of product from the aforesaid label groups is being soft-pedaled, and orders from their back catalogs are being reduced. The majors reportedly are holding firm. Kulak and the association can be reached at Box 609, Ringwood, NJ 07456, (201) 831-1317. Seems to me that this is an issue that indie labels, artists, and--of course-- music consumers should stay abreast of. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 03 Jun 93 22:08:20 EDT From: goya! Subject: more replies, less new threads mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) sez: >personally, i would like to hear a compilation of all the different >versions of "all along the watchtower." interestingly enough, if one deconstructs "running up that hill" to its bare bones and listens to the guitar portion in the middle, one notes an *uncanny* resemblance to "all along the watchtower." we threatened to break into that last year at KaTemas when playing "ruth," but could barely hold onto it as it was - it ended in what sounds to me, in retrospect, like a trainwreck. from the roskilde festival: >=== main attractions ============================= > Chris Isaak (us) this whiner is a main attraction? gag. >=== next category ================================ > American Music Club (us) *go* see this band. if you like tuneful, emotional music that'll rip your heart in two and stomp on it just for good measure, than this band is for you. america is finally catching on to the genius of this band after so many albums - their fifth or sixth and first on a major label, _mercury_ just came out recently and it's good. kinda like red house painters or a male heidi berry (in tone if not in voice). > Aztec Camera (uk) they're still around? wow. had a great cover of van halen's "jump" that was popular on american college radio in the late 80s. had a few other good tunes as well - fairly standard, unoffensive british pop. > Levellers (uk) ooh ooh| go see them| grand british folk-rock that'll get your heart pumping and stomping around in the mud before you know it. rip roaring fun. >=== barely-worth-the-ink category :-) ============ > Afghan Whigs (us) not barely worth my ink, thank you. yeah, they are from the pacific northwest, but they predated the nirvana craze. had an *incredible* grunge pop album a few years back, the title of which escapes me...but they were writing songs about miles davis and racism when kurdt kobain was writing about teenage angst so i give them credit. their latest ep is weird - i had a chance to listen to it and just could not get into it, but it was wonderfully dense. just not my mood at the time, i guess. > Barenaked Ladies (can) they're so big in canada that they sold out four nights in a row at massey hall at the u of t (of course, massey ain't that big, but what the hey? it's good propaganda). great four-song demo cassette (thanks senor hui|) and a somewhat slickish and less interesting album. there's another band from the t.o. area called moxy fruvous who beats the socks off bnl - more barbershop quartet style (though with instruments) which is less slapstick and more lyrically humorous. they've got a five song cassette out, but i doubt you could track it down easily outside of ontario (or buffalo where my brother got it). >+ Mari Boine (n) i thought she was finnish. i have to send a fax to digelius music in finland to get their mail order catalog. mari has stuff available through them i believe. > Cop Shoot Cop (us) noise meisters. two bassists (one high-end and one low-end), one percussion- ist (half his drum kit is metal and junk), one singer, sometimes violin and whatever else they find. latest release on interscope (which is an "indie" label run by warner...or was it elektra?) is called _ask questions later_ and is pretty good. track down earlier stuff if you can as its better (i guess this is aimed at angelos, my fellow noisefiend on ecto ;) > The Cranberries (irl) i still need to hear this sometime. wish i had a decent college radio nearby on which i could hear all this other stuff that you guys talk about. wfmu is freeform and that means weirdness most of the time rather than a college-y type of station. maybe when i move closer to rutgers.... >+ Hedningarna (s) yum| jealous| > Uncle Tupelo (us) acoustic folk-rock from america. pretty damn good stuff. they do a robyn hitchcock cover, but i've forgotten which one now. maybe a soft boys tune? heartfelt and down home without being twangy or annoying. > The Walkabouts (us) mmmmmhhhh| brilliant, manic rock band from the pacific northwest somewhere. one of the few bands that a sub pop-hater friend of mine will admit to liking. some folky influences. features the voice of carla torgeson, amongst others. a recent ep had natalie merchant guesting on it, though it's hard to tell. i would make an effort to see this one as well, as long as there wasn't a high priority show happening at the same time. boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) sez: >I think Midnight Oil are better than people expect of such a succesful group. well, having nearly, what? 15 or so years of playing under their belts, it's bound to help a band establish themselves. especially in their case where they worked from down up (pun intended). i remember when _diesel and dust_ made the big time in the states. i remember asking people why it took them so long to catch on to midnight oil. i had some problems with _blue sky mining_ though which i thought was a little bit too much resting on their laurels. i haven't heard the new one yet. Karl Dotzek sez: >KTH> * Shonen Knife (jap) >Very much pop, not even punk. Saw them in Stuttgart and was >disappointed. Nice smilin' girls, who can't play. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ oh c'mon...that's part of their charm| +woj ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 23:58:10 MET From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: Roskilde Festival Hi all! cheh till [damn, I though it was "sheh till"! I've been listening to too many Norwegians! ;-)] writes: > Are there any Ectophiles planning to go to the Roskilde festival? > Jens? For you geographically challenged (PC speak for Americans? just > kidding :-), Roskilde is just outside Copenhagen. And I'm not going to > tell you where Copenhagen is, so there. Let's see, Copenhagen... Ah, that's the city that has sneaked up and surrounded Frederiksberg [where I live]! ;-) No, I'm not going to the Roskilde Festival, in fact I've never been there... Ok, ok, stop buh-ing! ;-) But as Kjetil says, Roskilde is quite close to my place. Chances of an Ecto gathering? > It will be four days of non-stop music on six different stages. Main > attractions are Neil Young, Midnight Oil, Velvet Underground, Ray > CHarles, Chris Isaak and Living Colour, but I have more interest in > the bands with small print: Miranda Sex Garden and Mouth Music! Yow! > To name some more I intend to see: the Kronos Quartet, Shonen Knife, > Sunscreem, Mari Boine, Jah Wobble, Hedningarna and 22 Pistepirkko. Argh! Let's all start praying that Miranda Sex Garden and Mouth Music will be transmitted on the radio! Hey, are you listening up there? Wake up! :-) I can't help with most of the artists, but here's a couple I've heard about: > Hanne Boel (dk) She should definitely have a '*'! Perhaps Denmark's best female singer, certainly in the blues/rock genre. *Go see her!* (at least unless you've got other '*'s at the same time). This is a Voice. > Omar & The Howlers (us) Don't really know anything about them, but I think I've seen positive reviews (lively rock). > The Cranberries (irl) You should definitely try to get to see the Cranberries. I bought "Everybody else is doing it, so why can't we?" recently on Neile's recommendation, and it's very nice (sort-of Cocteau Twins with a lot more rhythm and edge). > Roger Eno with Kate St. John (uk) Don't know Roger Eno, but I have seen Kate St. John playing live (with Van Morrison last summer). She plays sax as well as another instrument I can't remember at the moment, and she's real good (she more-or-less substituted for uillean pipes in the Van Morrison concert!). I think I've heard of her in another connection as well, but I can't figure out where... > Brni mentions that Joy Askew has played with Laurie Anderson in the > past. No solo albums? Did I mention how utterly impressed I was by her > performance (both playing and singing) at the Peter Gabriel concert? Her performance in Laurie Anderson's "Home of the Brave" is pretty good too. In the "work-out" scene (can't remember the song title, but if you've seen the movie, you know what I mean! ;-)) she demonstrates that it is possible to play keyboards while doing stretches... :-) Chris mentions: > Geoffrey is well worth seeing. Also at WOMADELAIDE, he almost stole > the whole show (mind you PG was coming on after him so he didn't > steal _that_ much ;) ) He had some really good songs, and a guitarist > that did some really weird things with the guitar. Things I didn't > know could be done with one. I was really impressed and thoroughly > enjoyed his performance. Try not to miss this one :) Also from "Home of the Brave": Laurie Anderson's guitar player really shows what can be done with a guitar. How about playing table tennis (with the guitar) while playing the music (this guitar has a rubber neck, that makes for some rather spectacular effects!). Or playing the guitar with kitchen implements (sounds amazingly good, btw.)? ;-) Finally, anybody remember where the lyrics "I blame you for the moonlight nights" (or something like that) comes from? I heard it on the radio in Hungary (nice female vocals) but couldn't catch the artists name. And I get the feeling the these lyrics have been mentioned on Ecto... Jens P. Brage | And I looked up and there they were: Millions brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | of tiny teardrops just sort of hanging there. /\ | And I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. \SphereSoft | And I said to myself: What next big sky? ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Jun 93 23:07 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Bouncing back for more! Howdy Ecto! Paroxysms of refulgent postal splendor emanate from the cathode, searing my eyes into a rapturous apoplectic freeze. Yea and verily, I have seen the bounce-mail, and it was good! Now I love the digests, and when on Genie it was the only way to go! Now that I am switched over to regular mail I see a whole new dynamic to this list. More immediacy, as it were. Wow, the thrill of coming home from work and finding 20 letters in the queue is stunning! And to make matters even more triumphant, today I am a full-fledged ectophile! I just FTP'd all the articles over in hardees! (That is, the articles subdirectory). Genie now has FTP access, so I used them for that. My current mail service doesn't FTP, but charges a small fraction of Genie. But I digress! As usual! While I was offline, did anyone figure out the strange mail returned syndrome? I was and still am getting letters that I know made it to the list returned about three days after I send them. (This keeps up the "bounce" thread; I hope I don't start rambling on about checks!) I hope we can find out from where these returns are caused (egad, what syntax!). Well, enough paroxysms for now. Before I sign off, I'd like to add one last thing to the recent classical thread. The day I met Happy I promised to make her a tape of the interview she had done earlier. As the interview fit on one side of the cassette, I thought I'd put some of my favorite music on the other side for her. I began with Ralph Vaughn Williams' "Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis", a string piece that has always moved me deeply. If any of you folks haven't heard this wonderful piece of music, I strongly urge you to hear it at your earliest convenience! It is truly classical music in the Ecto vein! (My favorite at present is the version on Telarc[Slatkin/St.Louis]). When Happy was in town recently, I asked her if she had heard the music I had put on the other side of her interview tape. She smiled and told me it was one of her all-time favorite pieces of music, and they kept it in their car at all times! Peace to everyone! Bob L. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 03 Jun 93 21:14:32 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: stuff >DATE: Thu, 3 Jun 93 14:12:26 PDT >FROM: Gary Nichols > >brni wrote: > >> personally, i would like to hear a compilation of all the different >> versions of "all along the watchtower." i know of dylan's, hendrix's, >> michael hedges', and xtc's versions (and i really feel that i'm >> missing one that i *should* know), but i'm sure that there are >> plenty others. > >Dave Mason (formerly of Traffic) did a version.... > Well, the two I have are the aforementoioned Indigo Girls and U2 (Rattle and Hum) Dennis Parslow You know, it's 90% of the politicians Troy, NY 12180 who give the other 10% a bad name p00421@psilink.com (heard on Paul Harvey) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 04 Jun 93 00:35:39 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: Roskilde Festival "I blame you for the moonlit nights" or whatever is from Tasmin Archer's latest. I haven't heard the rest, but have seen mixed reviews (which is fairly good. Nothing good gets all good reviews) Dennis Parslow You know, it's 90% of the politicians Troy, NY 12180 who give the other 10% a bad name p00421@psilink.com (heard on Paul Harvey) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1993 15:04:59 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: thank you mr. burka In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article <930602181826_555063.0_FHI42-1@CompuServe.COM>, you wrote: > I brought in a Happy Rhodes song for the class, all neatly transcribed > and typed out: The Chase (a fine tune). In doing so, I discovered > that not only did the song get MASSACRED on the CD (were any others > killed this way??), but she also changed the key. The original sounds Massacred? How? It sounds fine to me, considering the budget on which it was recorded... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "Something about this place makes me lose a grip on time and space..." - Saint Etienne ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 3:37:17 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: "Be sweet be free... ...every day is poetry" (?) I admire her optimism. "Her" is Victoria Williams, and there's a major article about her in today's (Thurs, June 3) Chicago Tribune. It's *wonderful* and even has 2 photos of her. The article is excellent (written by David Rothschild) and touches on her, her life, her music, her illness, the fact that she doesn't have medical insurance (and branches out to talk about how most working musicians lack medical coverage) and talks about the upcoming tribute album, "Sweet Relief." (due for release June 19.) It's quite long, but I will try to type it in when I feel better ("manic" said bye-bye, "depressive" said hi-hi :-/ ). I'm pretty sure that much of this was based on a press release, then expanded by Rothschild, so articles might start appearing in other papers too. Please keep an eye out. The article mentions that both of Victoria's albums are out of print now :-(, and mentions nothing about a re-release by Mammoth. (but then, there are other important details left out, no mention of the documentary by D.A. Pennebaker, for instance, or _Gas, Food, Lodging_.) An address is given for more information or to contribute to the "Sweet Relief Musician's Trust Fund" (which is not only to help\ Victoria, but is being set up to assist other uninsured musicians with major medical problems. This by Victoria's request.) Sweet Relief Musician's Trust Fund c/o The Cassandra Group Inc. 715 Boylston Street Boston, MA 02116-2612 Vickie (who's way far behind on Ecto, but will catch up after the Bulls win :-)) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 11:38:32 +0200 From: Karl Dotzek Subject: Re: more replies, less new threads >>>>> On Thu, 03 Jun 93 22:08:20 EDT, goya! said: -> mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) sez: >personally, i would like to hear a compilation of all the different >versions of "all along the watchtower." Me too! -> from the roskilde festival: >=== main attractions ============================= > Chris Isaak (us) -> this whiner is a main attraction? gag. Hey, he's cool! Love the way he does his hair... &#$@*!ACK!! -> i guess this is aimed at angelos, my fellow noisefiend on ecto ;) Here's another one! ;) -> Karl Dotzek sez: >KTH> * Shonen Knife (jap) >Very much pop, not even punk. Saw them in Stuttgart and was >disappointed. Nice smilin' girls, who can't play. -> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -> oh c'mon...that's part of their charm| If you see it that way, you're right. I simply spent too many Marks, but they were still cheaper then Peter Gabriel, hehe... I'm stunned to see where they're known overall - they must have done a real long tour! Karl ======================================================================== Subject: Re: thank you mr. burka Date: Fri, 04 Jun 93 07:33:40 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Mike Mendelsohn wrote: >> I brought in a Happy Rhodes song for the class, all neatly transcribed >> and typed out: The Chase (a fine tune). In doing so, I discovered >> that not only did the song get MASSACRED on the CD (were any others >> killed this way??), but she also changed the key. The original sounds Anthony Horan replies: >Massacred? How? It sounds fine to me, considering the budget on which it >was recorded... You misunderstand. There's another version of "The Chase" that's about 8 minutes long, appearing on the original VII cassette from 1986. It's definitely preferable to the version on the CD, though I'm sure there are a few heathens who would claim it's too repetitive and thus prefer the shorter CD version. I'd always assumed that the CD version was merely an edit of the tape version, but what Mike says about the key change kind of implies a different recording. Unless maybe his tape just always played at the wrong speed. ;-) Jeff ======================================================================== Date: 4 Jun 1993 11:22:32 -0600 From: "Julianne Dunphy" Subject: Tasmin Archer Tasmin Archer Hi Ecto! I just picked up "Great Expectations" last week and I must say I *love* this CD! I taped it and listened to it in my car all the way home to WVa last weekend (about 7-8 hr drive). Of course I broke it up with Ingrid Karklins, Tori and Happy interpersed throughout. Anyway, I find Tasmin's songs powerful, and catchy. The interesting thing about it though, is that unlike Happy or Kate music, which reveal something new each time you listen to it, this music is pretty much 'what you see is what you get' face value type stuff. Repeated listens didn't surprise me with nuances I failed to notice before; instead, I just found myself liking the songs more and more just cause they're good. Simplistic, but true (to me anyway). By the way, this morning (which is extremely dismal, rain and wind, etc) I heard, much to my joy, "Cloudbusting" on the local non-profit radio WEFT, Champaign, IL. Wow. Songs always sound different when they're on the radio, doncha think? Unfortunately, the announcer called the song "Cloudbursting" and said something about wishful thinking. Needless to say, I called him up to correct his pronunciation and to tell him that the song is about *making* rain. He knew this though. Still, the song seemed strangely appropriate. Bye!! Julianne ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 09:36:14 EDT From: ken@engr.startek.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Re: More war on the beleagured music consumer? Mitch poses: >The new issue of the _Chicago Reader_ carries a story about the major labels' >latest salvo against sellers of used CDs. The Warner, Sony and Capitol label >groups have withdrawn co-op money (contribution to the cost of ads that feature >a given label's products) from stores that sell them. Small chains, the kind >most likely to sell used CDs, have started an association, the Independent >Music Retailers Association, to try to fight this action. Next thing you know, CD buyers will only be purchasing a "non-transferrable music use license" much like the practice of software "licensing".... -ken d ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)