Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #269 ecto, Number 269 Monday, 22 June 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* happy bday Warpaint Rejoin Ecto? YACR: "Which Witch" Time frame of extra songs... Happy Birthday to David Lubkin Ecto Archeology #2 Today's your birthday friend.... Mondrian had _De Stijl_, so what does that leave us with? ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1992 17:12:30 -0230 From: eperry@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: happy bday HAPPY BIRTHDAY David Lubkin!! Have a great one. Beth ======================================================================== From: iamecto@chinet.chi.il.us (kirstin hargie) Subject: Warpaint Date: Sat, 20 Jun 92 15:03:55 CDT Ok, here's the scoop. ;) Yes, I agree that Warpaint is the most mature Happy album. But, it still doesn't get much airplay on my stereo for one simple reason....the electronic cymbals drive me bananas!!! The songs themselves are wonderful, but the drum machine she uses just drives me crazy. I don't know what it is about electronic sounds in general that annoy me, but these particular sounds really grate on my nerves. I remember a couple years ago - probably close to 5-6 yrs. - I was watching a thing on the 'new' synthesizers that this company were advertising. They tooted that their synthesizers sounded just as good as instruments played live and in person. They then did a listen and compare test. Now i'm sure they didn't wish to insult anyone's intelligence or 'ears,' but the difference between the two horn 'noises' was obvious. (ok so maybe playing in an orchestra since I was 8 makes a big difference, but still)... I've never trusted or liked synthesized horns, or strings, and while drum machines are sounding better and better all the time, there is just something more to say about the real thing. Ok, so this is basically a minor quibble, but when I listen to Warpaint now all I hear are the elec. cymbals. I'm rediscovering Warpaint, after not being able to listen cause all I _did_ hear were the cymbals... Warpaint really "did" it for me in concert though....even though the new versions of the old songs blew my mind away - cept I still think Oh the Drears album version is much better :) I realize that Happy had to make due with what she had equipment wise, and that I should ignore any noises that drive me nuts and listen to what is there lyrically and musically...but but but :) :) Am I the only one that this happens too..... I probably sound like I hate Warpaint, on the contrary Warpaint contains some of my favis (wrong century for exam.) and is a great album. Can't wait for the next one though :) quatloorali kIrI ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 20 Jun 92 17:09:45 CDT From: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey) Subject: Rejoin Ecto? Hi Jessica!! May I rejoin Ecto? Please, pretty please?? I would prefer to receive the daily digest. Thanks! - Vish ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 21 Jun 92 02:35:58 MET From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: YACR: "Which Witch" Hi! I've just attended the concert version of Dollie de Lux's opera musical "Which Witch" tonight. Recently someone mentioned DdL's special opera-rock style, either here or in rec.music.gaffa and as my gaffa feed is down at the moment, you'll get the pleasure(?) of this report... DdL is a Norwegian duo consisting of Benedicte Adrian (main vocals, she has classic opera training) and Ingrid Bjoernov (keyboards and backing vocals). For this concert they had the following assistance: Jahn Teigen (lead vocals (Bishop Daniel) and guitar) Aina Oldeide (vocals (Daniel's sister)) Peeter Wiik (vocals (the Executioner)) Ole Marius Melhuus (guitar and bass vocals (the Exorcist)) Allan Vigre (main guitar) Ole Petter Hansen (percussion and backing vocals) Dan Evmark (additional keyboards and backing vocals) The Tritonus choir. The plot is basically that the bishop Daniel and Maria Vittoria (Benedicte Adrian) falls in love against the rules of the church and the interests of Daniel's sister. She then conspires to have Maria accused of being a witch to break up the relationship. As the story takes place in 1537, Maria ends up being burnt... The intention is to set up a full stage version in London in October, and in some parts the opera is indeed reminiscent of, e.g., Chess. However, when DdL really cuts loose, it's far superior! The special DdL style is a mixture of classic opera (sung by Benedicte) and quite heavy rock/pop (primarily played by Ingrid with assistance from Allan); most of the time the opera switches (rapidly) between these forms, but at some memorably moments, they truly mix the styles... "2.665.866.746.664 Little Devils" (a duet between Maria and the Exorcist) and "The End" (Maria's final solo) are superb examples of this: The combination of an operatically trained voice hitting the high range and heavy synt/guitar based rock *really* makes for an impressive performance! The vocals were overall good to *very* good, with Benedicte very much dominating the other voices (in "The End" she was pretty close to blowing the loudspeakers and/or our ears!), though both Aina, Peeter and Melhuus has some fine solos as well. The music itself was a mixture of classic (barock?) music, classic folk music, (heavy) rock and Jarre-like synthesizer music. With Ingrid at the front right of the stage, she was also very much part of the action... In addition to the organs, flutes etc., she also played the church bells, thunder and other sound effects. Apart form the weaker (Chess-like!) passages, the only criticism I overheard was that the lyrics was too plain (but then again, reciting Nietzsche would hardly be appropiate in the context...). Anyway, the music and the vocals was enough to produce a *long* standing ovation... Recommendation: Definitely worth listening to, and probably also worth seeing if you happen to be in London in the fall. Of course, you should have a tendency towards "experimental" music but if you're reading this list... Oh yes, it means Yet Another Concert Report, of course! ;-) Jens P. Brage | Does it take you back to the kind of world brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | Hindsight calls the good old days? /\ | Now that there's no room in an Einstein world \SphereSoft | For simple cause and effect --> If this address fails, try "brage@id.dth.dk", we've got name server problems... ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 22 Jun 92 0:29:58 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Time frame of extra songs... I talked to Happy earlier and she gave me the low-down on the time frame. Flaming Threshold-written and recorded in 1984 Suicide Song-recorded in 1984. Written earlier (Happy couldn't remember when) Take Me With You-1985 Under & Over the Brink-was recorded *before* the album version. Look For the Child-1988 (not a Bartlett/Rhodes song) When the Rain Came Down-1988 The version of Rain that appears on the Ecto CD isn't any shorter. The time was weirded out by the printer (who also messed up the timing of The Flaming Threshold and the title of I Have A Heart. I still think the printing job is excellent though, so I'm not going to quibble about things that will make this first run of CDs collector's items.) Kiri asked which song was re-mixed. It was If Love is a Game, I Win, but it wasn't the only one. Happy said that Crystal Orbs and Baby Don't Go were also re-mixed. She said that I Am A Legend was shortened too, which I hadn't noticed. We didn't talk long because Ray Jung called on the other line and she needed to talk to him. I did ask her how the 1st4 were selling and she said that about half were gone so far. (Rhodes I is not sold out, an impression I got from Vishal. Vishal, what's the deal? Welcome back, btw!) Christine Waite was in Chicago yesterday and we had a great time! I didn't have a chance to organize an Ectophile gathering because I didn't find out until Friday night what time she was coming in, and then she said that she wanted to visit museums, so I wasn't sure if we would be coming back here, or, if we did, for how long. I met her at the bus station and we went to the Aquarium and Oceanarium, and also the Planetarium (big day for iums) and then visited the Hard Rock Cafe and ate at the world famous (ha!) Rock and Roll McDonalds. We did come back here for a while and I played some music and videos for her. She's very nice and a lot of fun, and I hope she comes back soon! Jens, thanks for the description of the DDL opera. For years I've had an excerpt of one of their videos, but have never heard a complete song. They sound really interesting. I'll bet the group Maria Excommunicata were influenced by them. Your description of Dollie Be Luxe would fit Maria Ex perfectly, right down to the operatic lead singer. I got a call earlier from Jody. Yes, Jody, and he is definitely a he. Funny though, he's friends with the she Jody I mistaked him for. We had an interesting talk about a lot of different subjects. I didn't try to talk him into coming back to Ecto or liking Happy, but I did ask him to pass along the tape to someone else and I think he will. I forgot to vote in the Monster Poll but I don't know how I would have voted anyway. I've always liked the cover of Ecto, but I always used to turn the 1st 2 covers around. Part of that was to have the song titles on the outside so I could see them easily, but part of it was because I just didn't like looking at the monsters. I like them for what they mean to Happy and how they represent her own demons, but I never liked looking at them. Now that I'm more used to them, I like how they were cropped for the CDs. I prefer the original Ecto though. It's nice seeing more of the painting (and the in focus version on the back) but I wish I could have seen it elsewhere. I just think the original Ecto cover is so cool. Of the 4, Rearmament is my favorite change. I think the original and the CD cover are both wonderful. See ya! Vickie ps, Jessica, I sent out some posts with a sig lin that had your name spelled wrong. I noticed it and corrected it, but sorry for not catching it sooner. ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Happy Birthday to David Lubkin Date: Mon, 22 Jun 92 13:01:00 BST David, Belated Happy Birthday greetings, and many happy returns of Saturday. I tried to Email this direct to lubkin@apollo.hp.com but it got bounced with a user unknown message (apparently by hpl.hp.co.uk) don't you just *love* the joys of computer networking! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Subject: Ecto Archeology #2 From: claudia@inphobos.w.open.de (Claudia Spix) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 92 23:56:31 GMT Hi friends! As usual I'm lagging behind. Currently I'm reading digest #245 ... er cough. Oh well. There's soo much to do. Who else joins the campaign for bigger days? There's never enough of it to get work and life and fun done in it, and never enough left for sufficient sleep. So for me, ecto's birthday hasn't arrived yet but I'm fully aware of it! Tell me, does anyone know the usual half life of a one-artist mailing list? In what percentile of the distribution are we? I've collected some impressions of Happy people had at her interviews and such, and I'd like to add my 5 Pfennigs worth. Meredith on Feb 4th: >What struck me more than anything was how sure of herself she was. I'd >heard she's shy and all that, but she sure didn't sound it when she was >talking to you, Vickie! That may be because she knew you, I haven't >heard the WXPN interview, so I can't tell. I got a better picture of >where she's coming from, and a burning desire enkindled to interview her >on my show sometime soon. Woj, that same day >but the most striking thing for me was hearing happy's *voice*. wow! i >had no idea what to expect but i do not think i was expecting the >assertive, certain and definitive voice that she did have. and she >articulated herself very well and intelligently. i'm hoping that i get a >chance to talk to her sometime - i was *really* impressed by her. Funny you say that. I never imagined her voice and tone any different from how it came out. And her style. In one song (bad memory, sorry) she says a few words instead of singing them. I think this stuck and prepared me well. Me too I was impressed. And I like her laugh esp. on Vickie's show, it's more natural. Vickie, on Feb 5th >Meredith, Happy *is* extraordinarily shy, she is just >a) very good at not showing it. I didn't notice any of it at the concerts too, on the tapes I mean. But then, didn't she say herself that she preferred a large audience to a small one? Maybe makes it easier for her. Vickie as one of many on Happys speaking voice, Feb 7th >Everyone's mentioning Happy's voice and I agree whole-heartedly that >it's a very interesting voice. Her style of talking is always like >that, very assured and straight-forward. I'm glad she laughed a few >times during the interview, because I love her laugh too. Before I Right. On a few more recent things. Klaus wrote about Tori's concert in Frankfurt and he summed it all up very well. So all I have to do is add a few side impressions. I was very curious about the audience, I didn't really know what to expect. Lots of people our age group, I guess we were well in the middle. Some yuppi-ish looking groups (brought their champaign glasses in from the bar), some rather alternative looking people, but most of them just your average, slightly mad young adult. Very few definitely conservative people. A few Tori-T-shirts. Tori was about 20 minutes late and people were getting restless, but I think they forgot this at the first note. The speakers at this room seem to be used for classic concerts, she nearly blew them away! I fully kept expecting them to burst or fall off the wall. What does she need a speaker for anyway? Even the grand piano has a hard time against this voice. (Maybe that's why she said in the interview she likes the forte-pedal so much ;) Aaanyway, I loved the concert. Only disappointment, she didn't do "Angie". I like her cover of this. Too bad our 1st4 order got messed up. We've been blaming german customs (They're good at sitting on packages they don't really know what to make of, like 4 warpaints and such) and thoroughly searching our mailbox. Now next weekend seems likely, with my luck they'll come while I am in Muenchen for a workshop :-P. Can't wait! Before I forget, Vickie it's good to hear you're back and it's nice to hear you've been "converted" to Tori too. Happy is #1, but there's room in our hearts and minds for more than one or two or a dozen artists, isn't there? Tschuess everybody, Claudia ======================================================================== Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 92 18:21:15 GMT i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* **** David Lubkin ***** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.w.open.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: 22 June 1992 12:15:58 CDT From: Subject: Mondrian had _De Stijl_, so what does that leave us with? My compliments to Steve for his speculations on how I might write in the trad- ition of the late, lamented Maryse Holder. (Actually, though, this vignette reminded me most of the recent episode of _Northern Exposure_ in which Joel, at a medical convention, is repeatedly come on to by a fellow visiting doc (or resident doxy, I forget exactly which--would "docsy" be a viable umbrella term? :-) ), and ends up not sleeping with Maggie, with whom a shortage of space has forced him to share a suite. Actually, though, I think that Angelos' report on the poll results captures this particular style very well. Perhaps if we ever decide to go in for graffiti, our stock phrase should be "Maryse Lives." So grubadick. :-) Mitch Pravatiner Senior Editor AG Farben AG (Bottler/sellers of the one and only Fuzzy Blue writing style) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)