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                            ecto, Number 1183

                         Saturday, 16 July 1994

                             Today's Topics:
                           *-----------------*
                         Re: High-pitched sounds
                   Colvin/Roches, <fwd> from folk list
                   On going through the terrible 42's
                         Re: Philly Get-Together
                      Forest Gump and other things
                         Re: Philly Get-Together
                 Re: On going through the terrible 42's
                   D^2's "What's the Connection?" Quiz
                 Re: On going through the terrible 42's

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Date: 	Thu, 14 Jul 1994 22:43:00 +0200
From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel)
Subject: Re: High-pitched sounds

Hi Jeff!

> >I can hear it too. The line frequency of TVs is ca. 15 kHz, and what some of
> >us can hear is the line transformer that whistles with exactly that frequency.
> >Now 15 kHz is beyond most older people's hearing capability, but I can
> >still hear it.
>
> Okay, Uli, let's make this one a bit more confusing.  My ancient monochrome
> monitor refreshes, I belive, at 70hz.  I can't hear it under ordinary

70 Hz would be the vertical scan frequency. You shouldn't be able to hear that
bass note on your screen. 15 kHz or more is the horizontal scan frequency which
is LOTS more and therefore LOTS higher. A 70 Hz monochrome monitor (sounds
like an Atari ST (RIP)) probably scans faster than 15 kHz. The Atari did scan
at a little over 30 kHz. If you're good (very good), you might hear this.

> usage, ie the hard drive on, the stereo blasting ("Crystal Orbs," even as I
> type!  ;-), etc.  But if I've only got the monitor and 'puter on, without
> any noisy perhipherals, I can hear text scrolling up the screen.  WHAT AM I
> HEARING?!

Wow! ;-)

No real idea. Maybe some parts of the screen that change between white and
black also change between hot and cool (a little at least), and maybe that causes
the noise. Another possibility would be the chip-singing stuff I mentioned
when my new PC in the office accesses the upper memory banks. But again, these
are total guesses.

Bye,

Uli

--
"Probably the 2GB file limit will be gone by January 2038, when Unix runs out
of seconds, another consequence of using 32-bit integers." - Carl Lowenstein


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From: "Ralph A. Pincus" <raps@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
Subject: Colvin/Roches, <fwd> from folk list
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 16:30:27 -0400 (EDT)

Greetings!

I know some of y'all are already on the folk_music list, but I thought more
than a few of us would be interested in these items from the latest digest.
Of particular interest: Shawn Colvin tour dates and something about a new
Roches album (???? anybody know what's up with that?).  Hmmmm....

:)

--Josh

> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 5
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 21:57:32 -0500
> From: Leah Reid <Leah_Reid@sonymusic.com>
> To: folk_music@nysernet.ORG
> Subject: Shawn Colvin's message to the list
> Message-ID: <199407150154.VAA24283@nysernet.ORG>
>
> Sender: Leah Reid <Leah_Reid@sonymusic.com>
> Subject: -No Subject-
>
> Shawn Colvin stopped by the office today...I let her read through the
> folk_music discussion--including the "review" of the Wolftrap show...she
> decided to send you all a message (the first of many)...
>
> "Yo, my folky friends....
>
> Your interest & comments flatter me no matter what they are.  Thank you!
> [heart]
>
> See you this fall -- hope you like the new record -- be sure to tell me what
> you think.
>
> Love --
>
> Shawn Colvin  [heart]   "
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 9
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 21:58:03 -0500
> From: pirrung@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (G. Pirrung)
> To: folk_music@nysernet.ORG
> Subject: ROCHES: New Album Release?????
> Message-ID: <199407150154.VAA24311@nysernet.ORG>
>
> Sender: pirrung@NADC.NADC.NAVY.MIL (G. Pirrung)
> Subject: ROCHES: New Album Release?????
>
> In the listing from the distributor I order CD's from was a not that
> the following is now in stock:
>
> ARTIST  TITLE                           LABEL           RELEASE NUMBER
> Roches  Will You Be My Friend           BBOO            3004
>
> The label abbreviation translates to "Baby Boom"
>
> My question is:
>
> Does anyone know what this is?  Is it a new album by Maggie, Terre,
> and Suzzy?  Is it for adults, or is it possibly a children's
> album?
>
> To expedite any responses, please respond direct to me in addition
> to responding to folk_music.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Thu Jul 14 14:00:38 EDT 1994
> Jerry Pirrung  {Internet: pirrung@nadc.nadc.navy.mil}
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 13
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 1994 21:58:52 -0500
> From: Leah Reid <Leah_Reid@sonymusic.com>
> To: folk_music@nysernet.ORG
> Subject: Shawn Colvin tour dates
> Message-ID: <199407150155.VAA24404@nysernet.ORG>
>
> Sender: Leah Reid <Leah_Reid@sonymusic.com>
> Subject: Shawn Colvin tour dates
>
> We can exclusively announce via the folk_music group....
>
> SHAWN COLVIN--FALL TOUR
> featuring: Steuart Smith (guitar)
>    Larry Klein (bass)
>
> October 10  Birmingham  Five Points Music Hall
> October 11  Atlanta   Symphony Hall
> October 12  Charlotte   Ovens Auditorium
> October 13  Richmond   Carpenter Hall
> October 15  Norfolk   Chrysler Hall
> October 17  TBA
> October 18  Northampton, MA  Smith College
> October 19  Boston   Symphony Hall
> October 20  Montreal   The Spectrum
> October 22  TBA
> October 23  TBA
> October 24  New York   Carnegie Hall
> October 26  Baltimore   Myerhoff Symphony Hall
> October 27  Washington, DC  Warner Theater
> October 28  Washington, DC  Warner Theater
> October 29  Philadelphia  Tower Theater
> October 31  Toronto   Music Hall
> November 2  Ann Arbor   Michigan Hall
> November 3  Columbus   Palace Theater
> November 4  Cleveland   Music Hall
> November 5  Nashville   Ryman Auditorium
> November 7  St. Louis   American Theater
> November 8  Madison   Civic Center
> November 10 Minneapolis   State Theater
> November 11 Chicago   Riviera
> November 12 TBA
> November 13 TBA
> November 14 TBA
> November 15 TBA
> November 16 TBA
> November 17 Denver   Paramount Theater
> November 18 Denver   Paramount Theater
> November 19 TBA
> November 21 Calgary   Performing Arts Center
> November 22 Edmonton   Meyer Horowitz Auditorium
> November 24 Vancouver   Vogue Theater
> November 25 Seattle   Moore Theater
> November 26 Seattle   Moore Theater
> November 27 Portland   Schnitzer Auditorium
> November 29 San Francisco  Warfield Theater
> November 30 TBA
> December 1  Sacramento    Community Theater
> December 3  Los Angeles   Wiltern Theater
>
> There are still some cities and venues to be announced--and the tour will last
> until the second week of December.  You (the folk_music group) will get this
> information before anyone else!
>
> Opening acts are as follows:
>
>  U.S. shows   David Gray
>  Canadian shows  Hemingway Corner
>
> Kicking the tour off will be a Columbia Records Radio Hour Broadcast on Sunday,
> October 9 (some cities broadcast at a later date).  Stations and special guests
> TBA.
>
> [Alan sez: I love a good scoop! Many thanks to Sony and AGF for this kind
> of support to our enthusiastic group. Don't sit on this information, get
> out and spread the word!]
>------------------------------------------------------


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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 16:09:31 CDT
From: <U15289@uicvm.bitnet>
Subject: On going through the terrible 42's

In the _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ books, the plot centers on the search
for the Ultimate Question About Life, The Universe, and Everything.  The actual
question is never revealed, of course, but the answer is "42."  (The TV adap-
tation did reveal that the question was some arithmetical operation, which
escapes me, but to which 42 was indeed the answer.)  I've often wondered wheth-
er the architects of the new Chicago ward map were _Hitchhiker_ fans, inasmuch
as their handiwork shifts most of the downtown area from the 1st Ward, where
it had been for at least 150 years, to the 42nd.  And now I've been 42 years
old for a whole day, and apparently have lived to tell about it.  Such is the
effect that these arbitrary benchmarks in the cognitive packaging of time can
have on a person's psyche.

For me, it coincides with at least a couple of impending shakeups.  There now
are exactly three months left in the life of this computer account, and my
downloading project has only gotten up to the end of October, 1991.  In the
worst case, I expect to have a net.access of sorts after this one turns into
a pumpkin, but it's nowhere near as good as what I'm used to.  On the other
hand, I've got an interview next week for a very good job opening; there's
no unconditional guarantee that I'll get the job of course, but if I do I'll
be able to afford good net access on the open market--at the price of less
time to read the umpteen mailing lists I'm on.  Forrest Gump was right about
life being a box of chocolates--you don't know what you're going to get.

Yesterday having been Bastille Day as well, I set out to indulge my personal
custom of eating French (of sorts) for lunch.  Somehow, on the way to Au Bon
Pain, I got diverted to the Bennigan's next door by memories of their TV
commercials for Monte Cristo sandwiches, which sounded rather appetizing at
the time.  I tried to salvage some of the reasoning behind my original plan
by reasoning that _The Count of Monte Cristo_ may or may not have been written
by Alexandre Dumas, who would certainly provide a rational nexus between the
name of my lunch and the area of the other hemisphere where the national day
was then being celebrated.  It then occurred to me that Dumas definitely did
write _The Three Musketeers_, one of whose characters--Athos--subsequently
had a computer named after him, which was the original home of this mailing
list.  When I was pondering a choice of beverage with my meal, the waiter
suggested Long Island iced tea, advice which I promptly took for want of
any better ideas.  It subsequently occurred to me that Long Island is in New
York State, which is next door both to Quebec (where a substantial amount of
French is spoken), and to New Jersey (where Ecto resides).  There's something
about minimally-considered changes in a game plan that encourages tortured
processes of reasoning, in order to rationalize them :-).

In a reflective moment, I pondered why I felt such urgency about tying my
personal birthday celebration to coincident celebrations in the external
world, to which I had no direct, substantive connection.  After all, I have
no French ancestral background (though my late father did pass through there
in '44-45, along with the rest of the 8th Air Force), nor do I even speak the
language (though the magic of subtitles has enabled me to enjoy the French
cinema as much as the next person).  It ocurred to me for the first time that
had my birthday been on June 27th--Stonewall Day--whether I'd have marked the
occasion by going to a gay bar is a question I find genuinely unanswerable.
Or maybe not--while going through the Bennigan's menu, it occurred to me that
for about the same money I could have gone to Hooters :-).  Apparently someone
at the next table was having a birthday as well--he had a small cake laid on
him, while a chorus of waiters and waitresses seranaded him and his companions
with one of the more vapid songs I've heard in a while.  Guess it pays to keep
some kinds of personal data firewalled from the restaurant industry :-).

I left the restaurant overstuffed, and things soon began to get better.  I
walked up to the Museum of Broadcast Communications to view the part of _Tales
of the City_ I'd fallen asleep on when it was on home TV the night before, and
some parts of the story finally began to make sense.  The day's email reading
went faster than expected, and when I got home, my younger cat finally decided
to put an end to three days of hiding out in remote corners (he'd been a little
under the weather, apparently).  Being this age may not be that bad after all
:-).  It obvious that Douglas Adams believed that 42 had something to recommend
it.  Whether the judgment of the amateur cartographers of the City Council
ought to carry quite as much weight is, of course, a separate issue :-).

                                                           Mitch

-------------------------------------
"You are eccentric and your life complex"

 --from a description of people born in the Year of the Dragon (of which my
   birth year was one) in the Chinese zodiac

"Hard to understand, but a hell of a man"

 --Curtis Mayfield, "Super Fly"

"But so grubadick was he."

 --Maryse Holder, _Give Sorrow Words_


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From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt)
Subject: Re: Philly Get-Together
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 17:59:39 -0400 (EDT)

Wayne wagers:

> >But where will we meet? How will I recognize the rest of y'all?
>
>  I guess Joe has the only solution so far to recognizing each other at the
> Singer/Songwriter weekend(no I'm not going to upload a picture of myself).

Well, here's mine.  Unfortunately, I don't have any graphic-editing
tools worth a damn, here's the whole badge.

You all *do* have shatter-proof monitors, no?

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Date: 15 Jul 1994 14:07:24 -0500
From: "Printshop" <printshop@gtefsd.com>
Subject: Forest Gump and other things

For those of you out there that haven't seen this movie yet and can afford
the seven bucks go see it!! i saw it last night and was very impressed.  i
walked away from that movie very light hearted and appreciating the small
things in life.  Although some parts of the movie were unrealistic (i won't
ruin it by going into details :) ) it did me a world of good.      I guess
you could call me a lurker but i guess i'm shy about these things. I really
enjoy this list and all the little tidbits of info.  I'm a huge ("consumer"?)
fan of Sarah and unfortunately have not had a chance to see her yet. Milla
was also here in town last night and poor me couldn't go see her:( oh well
next time for sure. see ya

Bernadette


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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 19:11:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: WAYNEPALMER@delphi.com
Subject: Re: Philly Get-Together

Dennis:
  As of about 10 minutes ago WXPN forecasted humid and in the 90's both
days...and yes it's going to be outside.

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Subject: Re: On going through the terrible 42's
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 94 19:19:04 -0400
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu

Mitch (Happy birthday!) pravatines:

>In the _Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy_ books, the plot centers on the
>search for the Ultimate Question About Life, The Universe, and Everything.
>The actual question is never revealed, of course, but the answer is "42."
>(The TV adaptation did reveal that the question was some arithmetical
>operation, which escapes me, but to which 42 was indeed the answer.)

Hmmm.  I can't recall if the original radio broadcast ever reached this
point, but both the written series and the original tv series did include
a "question" to the answer.  This occurs in the second book of the series,
_The Restaurant at the End of the Universe_, after Ford and Arthur are
marooned on the early version of Earth.  The question, imprinted in
Arthur's brain is, "What do you get when you multiply 6 by 9?"  Or
thereabouts.  The joke, of course, is that you most *definitely* do not get
42.

It seems to me that another version of a question was written in flaming
letters somewhere in the third book (or within the course of the third
book; it would be rather disturbing if the publisher had actually managed
to create a product that would become incendiary upon reaching a certain
point in the action).

Jeff


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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 16:33:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Dixon <dixon@physics.berkeley.edu>
Subject: D^2's "What's the Connection?" Quiz

I posted this on rec.games.trivia today, and thought some of you
music-heads would like a crack at it.

D^2

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Yes, it's another lyrics quiz, but this one has a twist.  The quiz has two
parts; first identify the artist and song title from the lyric snippet,
then group the songs into six groups of five each.  For example, if five
of the songs were:

	"Red", XTC
	"Down Colorful Hill", Red House Painters
	"Red Red Wine", Neil Diamond
	"The Lady in Red", Chris DeBurgh
	"Lunatic Fringe", Red Ryder

they would be grouped together by the keyword "red".  Four of the groups
are like this example, being grouped by a keyword in the song title or
artist name.  The other two groups are grouped in different ways than
this, but I'll let you try to figure them out.

One point for each correct title, one point for each correct artist, ten
points for each correct grouping (five points for getting all its
components, five points for explaining what they have in common).

Some of the songs belong to more than one group!

Email your answers to me, dixon@argon.eecs.berkeley.edu, by Saturday, July 23.
I'll post the answers on July 24.

Good luck!

1.  Brothers, don't be cool,
    Women like it sometimes when you act the fool

2.  By force of will my lungs are filled

3.  New car, caviar, four star daydream,
    Think I'll buy me a football team

4.  Tin soldiers and Nixon coming
    We're finally on our own

5.  There ain't nothin' in the world like a big-eyed girl
    Make me act so funny, make me spend my money

6.  I want a little bit
    I want a piece of it
    I think he's losing it
    I want to watch it come down

7.  In and around the lake,
    Mountains come out of the sky and they stand there

8.  Just a drop of water in an endless sea

9.  I can see, it took so long just to realize
    I'm much too strong not to compromise

10. I was dreaming when I wrote this
    So sue me if I go too fast

11. And my heaven will be a big heaven
    And I will walk through the front door

12. Dreamed I was an Eskimo
    Frozen wind began to blow
    Under my boots and around my toes
    It was a hundred degrees below zero

13. Now it is 1984
    Knock knock at your front door
    It's the suede denim secret police
    They have come for your uncool niece

14. You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice
    If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice

15. Our little group has always been
    And always will until the end

16. It's that little souvenir
    Of a colorful year
    That makes me smile inside

17. And she can see no reasons
    Because there are no reasons
    What reason do you need to die?

18. When I wake up, I know I'm gonna be
    I'm gonna be the man who wakes up next to you

19. People dancin', people laughin'
    A man selling ice cream,
    Singing Italian songs

20. Goodbye my love, maybe for forever,
    Goodbye my love, the tide waits for me

21. While the sun is bright
    Or in the darkest night
    No one knows
    She comes and goes

22. If I had a box just for wishes
    And dreams that will never come true
    The box would be empty except for the memories
    Of how they were answered by you

23. Baby, my ship is capsizin'
    I feel it risin' and risin'

24. It's getting late have you seen my mates
    Ma tell me when the boys get here
    It's seven o'clock and I want to rock
    Want to get a belly full of beer

25. You got a hubcap diamond star halo

26. These are the days of the empty hand
    Oh you hold on to what you can
    And charity is a coat you wear twice a year

27. One - you lock the target
    Two - you bait the line
    Three - you slowly spread the net
    And four - you catch the man

28. "This is it, boys, this is war."


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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 16:37:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: David Dixon <dixon@physics.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: On going through the terrible 42's

On Fri, 15 Jul 1994 jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu wrote:

> Hmmm.  I can't recall if the original radio broadcast ever reached this
> point, but both the written series and the original tv series did include
> a "question" to the answer.  This occurs in the second book of the series,
> _The Restaurant at the End of the Universe_, after Ford and Arthur are
> marooned on the early version of Earth.  The question, imprinted in
> Arthur's brain is, "What do you get when you multiply 6 by 9?"  Or
> thereabouts.  The joke, of course, is that you most *definitely* do not get
> 42.

You do in base 13!  (4*13 + 2 = 54)  :)

D^2

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