Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #665 ecto, Number 665 Thursday, 22 July 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Keeping up... Re: ill-health, good spirits, and more Suspended In Gaffa (& stuffiche) Heart Not a self-appointed spell checker hambigarmonious Bjork (or Bj|rk) madirty maharry jacket - chair - slippers ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 22 Jul 93 00:31:00 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) >From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) >Subject: Keeping up... > > As of this writing, I haven't heard from the Philly Area Ectophiles >regarding a get-together for Chris when he's in the area. brni, Anthony, >anybody? (watch there be a message or two show up as I send this!) >Greg and woj, I'll be glad to come up to New Brunswick and provide >transportation to Philly. I was wondering, perhaps Chris can stay with >you folks a night or two, then down to Philadelphia. He's welcome here, >of course, and we expect him to visit for a few nights, but I'm in the >'burbs, so I'm hoping someone more downtown will also show him around. >Let's make this a great week for him! > Talk to you all real soon! > Bob the arranger > um, when is this all happening? i'm confused. (really, i should write this all down in my date book, but i'd have to buy a date book first, and that would be money ill-spent, since i always misplace them) brni ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Re: Keeping up... Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 15:19:22 +1000 (EST) Greg writes ... > > Bob arranges: > >Greg and woj, I'll be glad to come up to New Brunswick and provide > >transportation to Philly. I was wondering, perhaps Chris can stay with > >you folks a night or two, then down to Philadelphia. > > hmm, as far as i know, Chris is planning to stay here at some point > during his visit. i confess i am not exactly sure *when* or at what > point in his voyages... whatever the plan, we have a spot reserved > for him... > Hi guys, sorry I've been so vague about everything ... perhaps I can provide some clarification ... I arrive at Newark airport at 15:13 on 13th August. I leave from JFK at 18:50 on 21 August. In between these times I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing ... (some clarification, huh!). Tentative plans include ... staying with Christine W. a few days, staying with Greg (and woj ?) a few days, staying with Bob a few days. Now according to my preliminary calculations, 3 times a few days = 1 week. (within reasonable tolerances) :). How I arrange this I have no idea, and if I may be so bold as to suggest it, it may be easier if you guys work out when would be appropriate - given my lack of geographical knowledge, and of your times of availability. Is this OK ?? If not I can try and think of some kind of default action, but it all really depends on what you guys _can_ do ... How about Friday - Sunday : Christine Monday - Wednesday - Greg/woj Wednesday - Saturday - Bob Maybe not ... I'm open to suggestions ... :) It could depend on other things when I get there etc ... What do you say ??? Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 22 Jul 93 3:04:54 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: ill-health, good spirits, and more NealC writes: > Jessica: Hope you aren't feeling too poorly. Loose mail people might not know...in a recent digest Jessica made a reference to ill health. *HUG* Jessica, please get well soon. > Vickie: > please unsubscribe me from the ecto mailing list > :-( > > When I saw this, I thought YOU were unsubscribing, and felt quite > sad. (Glad it was an error I quickly caught.) Sorry for the confusion. I felt bad that Shelly had unsubscribed because I thought it was my fault. I had said that I didn't send her a happy birthday greeting because I didn't think she was still on Ecto. She hadn't posted for ages, something like a year and a half. I wouldn't have said that if I'd thought that she was a lurker, since many are, but for some reason I thought that she'd moved and that her account was totally inactive. Obviously, I was *wrong* and when I saw her "unsubscribe" note I realized that her account was still active, and I was sure that she'd unsubscribed because of what I said. Maybe the timing was just a coincidence, but it was a hell of a strange coincidence, and I felt *so* bad. I e-mailed her an explanation, but she didn't write back. I wouldn't want *any* lurker to think that I've "written them off" just because they haven't posted. I would never do that! I have *no* problems with people lurking, as I've said before. (Except for the fact that I hate the word "lurker" because it sounds negative. I prefer "read-only" or "reader" but lurker is the accepted and well-known term.) Anyway, I still don't know what happened with Shelly, but I will certainly not assume anything about anyone again. (When I thought she moved and lost net access I was sad. Not only was she a really cool person, when she was posting to Ecto she lived in Lawrence, Kansas, where my son goes to school. Then she said that she got a job in Kansas City (filling a position that the bass player from the Psychowelders had held) and then she quit posting and since there is no Public Access net site in KC, I assumed she lost her Lawrence account. She was the only Ectophile within earshot of my Kansas City radio show.) Not that this is all that clear, even to me (I don't understand why she quit posting--she'd been a regular--if she still had net access. That worries me. I don't understand why she left, or if it was because of me. That worries me too. I know, I worry too much, but I can't help it), but anyway, I should have tried to explain instead of just posting a ":-(". > I don't think you > are actually allowed to unsubscribe, are you? :-) *HUG* > Sorry to hear about > your problems. Your notes are always little beams of sunshine in > the digest, and I'm sure many people would echo those sentiments, > though perhaps more eloquently. Whatever thoughts may run through > your head, you are making others happy out in the ether, and hope- > fully that helps you in return. Thank you Neal, and to everyone who e-mailed me. I honestly appreciate the concern and support. It does help. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 22 Jul 93 3:32:28 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Suspended In Gaffa (& stuffiche) Hello! I got my Chicago and KC shows recorded, and I'm in the middle of doing another KC show (so I can play the rest of the Kate songs. Sue might want to play the two shows in a row) but I wanted to peek in and see what was going on. Chicago Kate Bush-Eat the Music Crash Vegas-Gold & Silver The Catherines-Here and Gone Bjork-Venus As A Boy Hex-Orpheus Circuit The Moon and the Melodies-Ooze Out and Away, Onehow Dead Can Dance-Summoning of the Muse Kate Bush-And So Is Love Kate Bush-Rubberband Girl Chaba Zahouania-Goulou Limma Happy Rhodes-Look For the Child Kansas City Kate Bush-Moments of Pleasure Happy Rhodes-Mother Sea Tori Amos-Mother Bjork-Come To Me Nina Hagen-Ave Maria Hex-Orpheus Circuit Julianna Raye-I'll Get You Back Crash Vegas-Julia Rain Crash Vegas-My City Has A Place I *LOVE* the Bjork album!! What Meredith said...yeah! Don't buy Julianna Raye on my account. After listening to it more I've decided that I don't really like it, as a whole, as much as I thought I did. I bought it myself in a used record store and though I think that the song "I'll Get You Back" is certainly worth $7.00 (it's *wonderful!*) there are only a couple other songs I *really* like. Cool news for me, an old friend from Kansas City, Mike Lindsey, who used to work in a record store there and who first turned me on to Mary Coughlin, The Innocence Mission, Yma Sumac and lots more, has moved to Los Angeles and has joined Hex as the bass player!! Steve Kilby has left the band, but Donette Thayer is keeping the name Hex and is re-vamping the band and the sound. Chris and I are knocked out! We are *so* happy for Mike!! Welcomes Welcomes to Juha and Jeremy and Stephen (I wondered who was behind that Brown newsgroup :-)) and KenH! And anyone else I may have missed. (KenH, there are questions in your post I will get to, I just can't do it tonight. *Great post*!) Hi to TimB too! (excuse me for asking, but have the Edmonton police captured Corrine's killer yet? To everyone else, I'll have to explain this one later too. It's a story I had been following via my clippings, but the client cancelled the order.) Paula, thanks for the clarification of the "poster" but I'm still confused. Is there a poster-sized Equipoise cover or lots of small CD-sized pictures, or what? I've never heard of *any* display used *anywhere* so this is big news. Does it look like something the store did on their own, or something that H&K would have *had* to provide to them, or what? I was going to call Happy but I was doing the shows, and when I remember it's been after midnight. I just wonder if *they* know about this. Whatever, I *want* one! :-) Disciplining the condominiums? Geoff, I don't know anything about Happy touring yet, but still, if you're in Chicago, definitely let me know. We are the Ecto-hostel By The Lake, you know. Thanks to SteveF for recommending our abode! Btw, WOMAD is the 11th of September. Our friends Charley and Eric put their heads (and credit cards) together and bought a *Skybox*! Air-conditioned and comfortable. It came with 18 tickets (which doesn't necessarily mean there are 18 *seats*, we don't know, we've never been to the World Theater. Charley sold all the tickets very quickly to his friends, but did reserve 2 for us. They're very expensive, $67.00 each, but we had been willing to go to Toronto for a WOMAD so to us it's a bargain. Geoff, if you *were* going to be here then, Charley *might* have one extra ticket. I could ask...:-) (Anthony Horan might be coming early next year, and Martin, our long-lost Perth-o-phile, is coming to visit at some point soon(?). Christo's on his way (or will be soon) which makes it a regular Australian invasion! Our cats will start meowing with an Australian accent! Graham, when're you coming? This reminds me that a few weeks ago an Australian Love-Hound was passing through Chicago and he said he'd call and stop in if he got the chance, but I never heard from him. That was the same weekend that Ectophile Mark Semich was in Chicago for the ComiCon, but was so busy that he didn't get to stop by either (but he did give Neal Gaiman CDs of Warpaint and Equipoise! Way to go, Mark!) Gotta go for now, *HUGS* to all who can handle mushy stuff like that :-) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 22 Jul 93 4:46:22 EDT From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Suspended In Gaffa (& stuffiche) Vickie peeks in: >Kate Bush-Eat the Music >[...] >Kate Bush-And So Is Love >Kate Bush-Rubberband Girl *ooooh* i can't wait nope not in the slightest... :) Vickie, what *great* playlists! i'm glad i don't get to hear your shows: if i did i would *have* to go buy more CDs ;) >I *LOVE* the Bjork album!! i haven't heard but one song, and that along with a video... but what a great video! my cold-dizzied brain (*sniffle*) can't come up with the title, but it had a bear and a hedgehog and Bjork looking younger than usual, if that is possible... >Cool news for me, an old friend from Kansas City[...]Hex[...] cool news for me too :) i am up and down on Hex (ditto the Church and Game Theory) but eager to hear more. congrats to Mike :) >Our friends Charley and Eric put their heads (and credit cards) >together and bought a *Skybox*! as my occasional aptmate and bass player would say: yippie! i hope y'all have a great time :) >That was the same weekend that Ectophile Mark Semich was in Chicago >for the ComiCon, but was so busy that he didn't get to stop by either >(but he did give Neal Gaiman CDs of Warpaint and Equipoise! Way to go, >Mark!) indeed! perhaps he and Tori will end up on ecto... hey, i am so pleased to find Tribe on the Net i'm thinkin' *all* artists should be on-line :) i fought off the urge to buy ~$100 of Sandman books during a quick trip to the Million Year Picnic this weekend. i am an idiot. :) >Gotta go for now, *HUGS* to all who can handle mushy stuff like that :-) hey, just call me mr. mush! er, on second thought, don't. ;) but *hugs* are sure as footah! -greg -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 22 Jul 93 10:54:40 BST From: GTP10@phx.cam.ac.uk Subject: Heart Greg Bossert asked: > count me in with those whose vinyl copies are well-worn ;) anyone > have an opinion on the later Heart albums for one who likes the first > four? The first four were "Dreamboat Annie", "Magazine", "Little Queen" and "Dog & Butterfly", right? I'd certainly rate DA, LQ and D&B as their best 3 albums. As for their subsequent albums: "Bebe Le Strange" - more of a straight rock album with a few 'folkier' moments. None of the 'progressive' tinges of some of their earlier stuff. "Greatest Hits/Live" - a compilation of the best of the albums up to this point plus some live tracks (including covers of "Unchained Melody" and "Rock & Roll"). Probably only for the completist. "Private Audition" - an uneven collection of uptempo rock, quirky pop and pleasant ballads. I quite like this one, though I usually program out a few tracks. "Passion Works" - somewhere I have a copy on tape, but I didn't upgrade to CD. I recall it to be a very guitar based album with a lot of songs which sound the same and none of them very interesting. "Heart" - a complete transformation into an MTV rock band purveying power ballads and radio rock. At this point they started using original compositions by others rather than relying almost exclusively on the Ann Wilson/Nancy Wilson/Sue Ennis songwriting triumvirate. The songs are very much in keeping with the hairspray, cleavage, dry ice and phallic guitar image they were now using, but the music is still distinguished by great vocals, great harmonies and very memorable melodies. Certainly not Ecto-fare, but I must confess to liking it. "Bad Animals" - more of the same successful formula. "Brigade" - and again. "Rock The House (Live)" - a routine live album. Geoff Parks ======================================================================== Date: 22 Jul 1993 09:12:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." Subject: Re: Suspended In Gaffa (& stuffiche) Vickie peeks in: >>Kate Bush-Eat the Music >>[...] >>Kate Bush-And So Is Love >>Kate Bush-Rubberband Girl >*ooooh* i can't wait nope not in the slightest... :) September is only a month and a half away....but I still can't wait! Luckily there is a small shop near the campus that deals in imports and the guys who run it know me and know I like Kate Bush so.... :-) >>I *LOVE* the Bjork album!! >i haven't heard but one song, and that along with a video... but what >a great video! my cold-dizzied brain (*sniffle*) can't come up with >the title, but it had a bear and a hedgehog and Bjork looking younger >than usual, if that is possible... Human Behavior. I saw this video one night and taped it without knowing who it was. The first seconds just intrigued me so much that I had to see it again. What is under Bjork's eyes? It looks like sequins. And how does the rest of the album compare? I've never really listened to the Sugarcubes so I'm not familiar with her music but I really liked that song and video. >-greg -Quenby ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1993 9:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Not a self-appointed spell checker Neal Copperman responds: >Chris Sampson - attacks my spelling, which is consistantly >poor anyway, so I'm not overly concerned. (But I do know >how to spell mobile, and even pronounce it, so don't point >out my intentionally misspelled subject line to me:) Anyway, >the mobile really is cool, regardless of how you spell it, >and perhaps Chris can illuminate us on the proper spelling. Lest our similar tastes get lost in trivial bickering over spelling, I would like to apologize in advance (retroactively) for what may appear to be a rather pedantic habit....[Don't you agree, Mr. Vidal....]. It's just that I was struck by the potentially funny misunderstanding which could (likely, not) arise if people (not this group) were likely to associate the good name of Alexander Calder (more or less the inventor of the mobile) with the fair-to-middling name of Caldor (fair-to-middling price structure as well). Seriously, I meant not an iota of meanness. I am a great, if not comprehensively immersed, fan of Calder's work, and find it in the damnedest places. I first "discovered" one of his stabiles at the food court at the Smith Haven Mall on Long Island, liked it, and then started noticing his things at places as varied as The Guggenheim Museum, Hartford, CT, and Jerusalem. In fact, in sort of a superstitious way, I was comforted by the fact that a mini version of his Stegosaurus (located next to the Hartford Atheneum) was on the grounds here at the UCONN Health Center (not eight miles away), and in fact, still is here. I've often thought that his abstract sculptures are the best type of abstract art in as much as they convey some sort of fanciful, playful impression (IMHO). So, Neal, I meant no harm and only wished to share a joke --not at the expense of your spelling. As for the other similar interest(s). I too, am a fan of PCO; have that CD (Broadcasting From Home); and, enjoy...Found Harmonium. I also like the one used in Talk Radio (title ~ Song for Telephone and Rubberband + or -). Chris Sampson [chris@neuron.uchc.edu] ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Not a self-appointed spell checker Date: Thu, 22 Jul 93 09:48:18 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Chris Sampson writes: >Lest our similar tastes get lost in trivial bickering over >spelling, I would like to apologize in advance (retroactively) for what may >appear to be a rather pedantic habit....[Don't you agree, Mr. Vidal....]. >It's just that I was struck by the potentially funny misunderstanding which >could (likely, not) arise if people (not this group) were likely to >associate the good name of Alexander Calder (more or less the inventor of >the mobile) with the fair-to-middling name of Caldor (fair-to-middling >price structure as well). Would you clarify the joke and explain who/what Cald*o*r is? >Seriously, I meant not an iota of meanness. I >am a great, if not comprehensively immersed, fan ofCalder's work, and find >it in the damnedest places. I first "discovered" one of his stabiles at >the food court at the Smith Haven Mall on Long Island, liked it, and then >started noticing his things at places as varied as The Guggenheim Museum, >Hartford, CT, and Jerusalem. If you're ever in DC, head over to the Hart Senate Office Building (officially known as the Hart S.O.B.--fits, don't it?) which is, oh, 2 blocks from the Capitol. I want to say 2nd and D NE, but I'm not positive of that. Anyway, there's a huge atrium filled with what is apparently the only Calder sculpture that combines a stabile with a mobile. In actuality, the Calder in the space is a tiny mock-up that he had just made some changes on a few days before he died. Friends/associates/workers took the model and his notes and built the full-scale piece they thought he'd intended. One might argue that this is not a true Calder but hey, it comes pretty durned close. It'c alled Mountain and Clouds (I think) and involves these huge beautiful mountains on the ground and a huge mobile of flat, curvy pieces suspended directly above. A friend of mine who's worked in the SOB for >5 years tells me that the clouds are mounted via a motor and can rotate, but that it's usually broken. In all the times I've been in the SOB (not a small number, believe it or not...and it doesn't matter how many times I go there, the urge to piss on Jesse Helms' office door never seems to disappate) the mobile has always been stationary. I also love the 3-part sculpture in Chicago ("Genesis", maybe?) but I can't remember what building it's in. I've always disliked the stabile outside Indiana University's Musical Arts Center. So it goes. Jeff ======================================================================== Date: 22 Jul 93 10:55:45 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: hambigarmonious > I'm hoping that harmoniums were actually something >someone had expressed interest in, and I haven't just invented >something to babble about. > neal :-). Nope, not really. We were talking about a French Canadian group called "Harmonium", which disbanded some time in the '70's after producing one very good and 2 brilliant album(s?). But hey, that's never stopped anyone from babbling before. Is your middle name Brook? (I'm in a punny mood.) -hamburgermoney ======================================================================== From: jk101920@ee.tut.fi (Kannisto Juha) Subject: Bjork (or Bj|rk) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 93 18:03:48 EET DST Hep! I too would like to know how the rest of the stuff on Bjork's debut 'Debut' compare with 'Human Behaviour'! I saw the video on Mtv Europe some three weeks ago and taped it. Then I went ahead and bought her maxi-single with 3 mixes of the song, but unfortunately these are very remote from the video (/ album?) version. I've been keeping my eyes open for the album, but our local stores seem to be ignorant of her greatness and have yet to present 'Debut' on their shelves. Oh well, I guess I'll probably go ahead and buy the disc as soon as I see it (no matter what your opinions might be), I'm such an impulsive buyer even when I couldn't really afford to be. That's how U2's Zooropa got stuck in my hand today, I was determined NOT to buy it. I hate Numb. Five minutes later a drunkard told me at a bus that it stinks, haven't had a chance to see if he was right yet. I did order * Equipoise * as well, so the day wasn't completely wasted. I guess I'll get along as long as I have my shelve full of records from a 'previous life' :) I sell them away and buy better music. I loved the idea in Paul Auster's book (Moon Palace) where this guy had inherited a few boxes of old books; he read each of them and sold them to a store (of used books) and lived with the petty money he got from them. In the end he degenerated to a bum, something I have not planned just yet :) Oh well, sorry that I got carried away! Best wishes, Juha -- Juha Kannisto O jk101920@cc.tut.fi O I have a friend in Phobos O Savikukonkatu 21 O jk101920@ee.tut.fi O At times I think I'm almost there O 33530 Tampere O jk101920@cs.tut.fi O * Happy Rhodes * O Finland O +358-31-560941 O ~~~~~~~~~~~~ O ======================================================================== Date: 22 Jul 93 11:05:31 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: madirty maharry Jeffy syrinxed: >Wendy MaHarry's _Fountain of Youth_ (wonderful!), Hey, Jeff, tell us more about this. I picked up some promo (actually a full album) of hers way back when she first hit and both vickie and i agreed it was a little off-balance. Is FoY a new release? Did it sound a bit off-balance to you? (Note that I think MMO is off-balance too, for example, but it works for me... Wendy, otoh, was a little harder to listen too, but she may have improved.) -clint ======================================================================== Date: 22 Jul 93 11:16:06 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: jacket - chair - slippers |Neal suggests sights in the DC area (and commits an *agregious* :) |misspelling): | |> The National Gallery is full of old masters, and the East wing (of the |>National Gallery) has plenty of cool modern things, and a great giant |>Caldor mobile. | ^^^^^^ I'm surprised no one has mentioned the museum of American History. This should certainly be the first place you head in D.C., in order to see the Fonz's Jacket, Archie Bunker's Chair, and Dorothy's Ruby Slippers. Everything else in Warshington is secondary. (well, the holocaust museum is excellent too, but you should reserve tix (albeit free) in advance). -mjm ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)