Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #292 ecto, Number 292 Tuesday, 14 July 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* RE: ecto #290 Re: Best music deals Re: B careful what U say Re: Box H.A.P. & 2 B E. Mortal Today's your birthday friend.... Oh, Superman Buffy Sainte-Marrie Karen Finley on Miller? Psychowelders Buffy Sainte-Marie (and more) bday Fluff (tm) ooooooooooops Happy Birthday Best music deals - DIWIWYL ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 19:43:20 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: RE: ecto #290 Just FYI, the phrase "Today's your birthday friend..." that I use is not taken from Laurie Anderson. It's from a song called "Am I Very Wrong?" by Genesis. It's from their first album, 1967's _From Genesis to Revelation_. The chorus goes: Today's your birthday friend Everything alright? Let us our greetings to you send Happy friend Everything alright? We hope your life will never end I thought it was particularly pertinent for this mailing list. But, it's an easy mistake to make, there are so many Happy Birthday-type songs out there. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 20:04:54 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: Best music deals I always look for deals in the used/promo record bins, so I've got tons I could list but the most recent finds that made me feel great were getting Loreena's The Visit CD for $7.00 and a Japanese import of Iva Bittova's River of Milk for $13.99. Something that made me feel not so good was finding Warpaint in the cut-out bin at Rose Records-Wabash in Chicago. They had 4 left and they were marked $6.99. I bought 2 of them to give away (hopefully one will go to Tori if I get to meet her again.) No wonder I couldn't find them the last time I went record shopping there. My all-time great find/buy was coming across the original 7" "Wuthering Heights" for $1.99. I mean, the original *American* release, in pic bag. Nothing will ever compare. Vickie ps, Valerie, the sysop at Chinet deleted all our mail, so your letter was lost (along with quite a few others) before I got a chance to answer it. I'm sorry. I don't want anyone to think I'm ignoring them. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 20:20:16 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: B careful what U say "Be Careful What You Say" has not, according to Kevin, been changed in any way. It's probably just the difference between multiple dub cassette copies and direct from master tape CD transfer. Also according to Kevin, BCWYS is a total Happy song, even though it was on the Bartlett/Rhodes demos. That means that *every* single song on the 1st4 CD were 100% Happy, all alone in the studio. There's a huge time difference between the original tape copy of "When the Rain Came Down" that Happy sent me for the Ecto SiG and the copy that appears on the CD. Happy said that she didn't change it at all, so to figure out why the times are so different I cued up the cassette copy and the CD copy and played them at the same time through my mixer board. The cassette is slower than the CD. It's not just my cassette player. The songs begin and oops, at the same time and there's nothing missing from the CD copy, so it's just a speed difference. I don't think it's all that audible, and wouldn't have noticed if it hadn't been for the time printed on the CD. Strange. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 20:43:04 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: Box H.A.P. & 2 B E. Mortal Oh no! I've disappointed Ken. I'm sorry, but I've never liked Box H.A.P. and I always used to fast forward through it. However, once Jeff and Mike and I worked on the lyrics and I found out what she was saying in the song, my opinion of it went up quite a bit and I stopped skipping it. But no matter how many times I listen I just can't get used to the synth. If I'd been heavily into Walter/Wendy Carlos I might be able to appreciate it more. Once I found out the Happy was a huge fan, the synths made more sense to me. It's still my least favorite song though. My second least favorite is The Issue Is, for the exact same reason. None of the other synths in any other song bothers me at all. The only other song I'd put in the "Skip-it- if-I'm-not-in-the-mood" category is "Wrong Century." 3 "skip-it"s out of 5 albums isn't too bad. Other songs took a while to get used to, for instance it took me a long time to like "The Wretches Gone Awry" but I came to love it dearly. Ken, I hope you did understand that I dearly love "To Be E. Mortal" and I always have. I have a story, like woj and Martin, but it will have to wait for another post. Lightning and thunder here, better log off... Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 20:44:19 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... HAPPY BIRTHDAY Mitch!! (on Tuesday) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 21:39:41 EDT From: shane@sbcs.sunysb.edu Subject: Oh, Superman > The Laurie Anderson quote is "You were born. And so you're free. So happy > birthday." That's from "Born, Never Asked" off _Big Science. I think it's > probably the most _musically_ interesting song on the album (though not the > most interesting). On the other hand, I adore the cascading tones on > "Oh, Superman". "Oh, Superman" was my first LA experience back in 81. I saw both United States I-IV shows at BAM in NYC that same year (actually it was one concert that spanned 2 days!). What a show. > > >"It's a sky-blue sky.....". > > Satellites are out tonight. I no longer like the color of my sweaters. > > >"'cause I've seen the future, > >and it's a place about 70 miles east of here" > > "Cause I can see the future, and it's a place--about 70 miles east of here. > Where it's lighter." You know, I can see two tiny pictures of myself, and there's one in each of your eyes! And they're doin' everything I do. Every time I light up a cigarette, they light up theirs. I take a drink and I look in and they're drinkin' too. It's drivin' me crazy. It's drivin' me nuts. -Shane ======================================================================== From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1992 03:54:48 +0200 Subject: Re: B careful what U say Vickie writes: > I cued up the cassette copy and the CD copy and played them at the > same time through my mixer board. The cassette is slower than the CD. > It's not just my cassette player. The songs begin and oops, at the > same time and there's nothing missing from the CD copy, so it's just a > speed difference. I don't think it's all that audible, and wouldn't > have noticed if it hadn't been for the time printed on the CD. > Strange. I've heard this is not uncommon to play a song a note or two higher to fit more onto Greatest Hits compilations. Just a thought :) I've been meaning to send a little more information on Dollie de Luxe. Don't trust ages and years quoted below :) Dollie de Luxe is Benedicte Adrian and Ingrid Bj|rnov. They were discovered at the age of 16 in a radio program on our national radio station NRK (the only radio station back we had then). The program was devoted to playing demo-tapes of varying quality from teenagers all over Norway. Dollie debuted with "F|rste Akt" ("Act I") in 1982 I think, with "Dollies Dagbok" ("Dollie's Diary") and "Rampelys" ("Limelight") following the next years. They changed their name to Dollie de Luxe for some obscure reason in 1988, I think. They don't use that name very much anymore. These three first albums are in Norwegian, and I don't know if they've been released on CD. In 1986 they released "Rock vs. Opera", a maxi-single with interesting canons of opera and rock classics. This is probably their only album to have been released in the USA. In 1987, they released "Which Witch", the beginning of their opera about the love story of a Catholic priest and a French woman in the days of the witch hunts. This CD (NBCD 013) contains 13 tracks. They have since then been refining and polishing their opera, touring with a concert version, leading to a live version in 1990, "Which Witch p} Slottsfjellet" ("Which Witch at Slottsfjellet"), with 32 tracks (obviously a double CD :) (NBCD 014) Benedicte Adrian has classical training in singing, and if you've heard her sing the "Queen of the Night" aria from Mozart's Magic Flute, you will testify that she has a wonderful soprano voice. It's not surprising then, that she will be singing the leading role in the opera version opening October 22nd at Piccadilly Theatre in London. (Oh I wish I could be there :) Some of you may be interested to know that the libretto is written by Piers Haggard ("Pennies from Heaven"). Hmm, my mind feels blank tonight... Kjetil T. PS. Shoe size 43, essential measurements 108-83-103, birthday 230470 :) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 23:19:10 EDT From: kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) Subject: Buffy Sainte-Marrie HI! I already posted this on rdt so lots of people here will have seen it already, but I figured I should send it to this group as well. (I suppose there must be someone here who isn't subscribed to rdt as well :-). --------- I just got a copy Coincidence And Likely Stories by Buffy Sainte-Marie and I'm really enjoying it alot. I don't know a great deal about her, other than that she is a "Native American" and apparently has been around for quite a while (if anyone can tell me more about her or recommend other albums I'd be grateful). The album has a guitar-orientated rock music feel to it with a strong American Indian slant. Musically there are some pretty catchy tunes and rhythms, though it's really the vocals and the lyrics that make this album. Buffy's voice has a sort of slightly hoarse twang to it, which sounds particularly good when singing some of the "pow-wow" vocals on tracks like "Starwalker". For some reason (though I'm not honestly sure why) her voice reminds me alot of Natalie Merchant from 10,000 Maniacs. It's the sort of voice that hooks you and ends up buzzing around your head for ages after you've finished listening to the album, or at least that's what it does for me. Also there's lots of background American-Indian style vocals and percussion which contributes to the overall feel of this album. The lyrics are mostly very politically/socially orientated: some in a fairly general way, and some written from a native American standpoint. As an example, from the track "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee", which is probably my favorite on the album so far: I learned a safety rule I don't know who to thank Don't stand between the reservation and the corporate bank They send in federal tanks It isn't nice but it's reality Bury my heart at Wounded Knee .... Hmm. Actually there are better lyrics than that, that perhaps I should type in. But it's probably easier just to recommend that people go and buy the album... Details: Buffy Sainte-Marie, "Coincidence and Likely Stories" Chrysalis 0946 3 21920 2 8 -Anthony ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Karen Finley on Miller? Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 23:43:07 EDT Hi, The local Fox station announced Karen Finley as a guest on the Dennis Miller show, but they are showing a re-run...:( Does anybody know if she will be on this week and I missed the intro? Or was the show dropped by the local station? Happy connection. Karen Finley sings a few lines with Sinead O Connor on a remix of 'Jump in the river', which is another mailing list that spawned off gaffa. And Sinead O Connor gets mention in Stephen King's 'Needful things'. Yeah that's the connection... :) Well, I figured that *any* TV appearance by Karen Finley would be an event, and that's why I want to make sure I don't miss it... Angelos ======================================================================== From: shelly25@aol.com Subject: Psychowelders Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 21:47:21 EDT First -- forgive me if it wasn't hear that I heard(saw) talk of the Psychowelders not long ago... This really isn't all that important, but I thought if anyone was a Psychowelders fan they might be somewhat interested in the fact that on Monday I start as a temp at the bass player (Eric) from the Psychowelders old job! A friend of mine manages a Kinko's in KansasCity, where Eric works(worked) as the Desk Top Publisher. Now he's gone, and until they get a permanent DTP, I'll be filling in. I'd like to do it full time, but Kinko's policy is to hire inside the company if at all possible, so it's probably a slim chance that I'll get it. If anyone felt like it, of course, I'd much appreciate some crossed fingers or good karmic thoughts, or prayers to the appropriate diety or whatever. Shelly Oh, and, Thanks tons and bunches and oodles for all the Happy Birthdays! I did have a great day. I'm sure all the warm wishes helped! ======================================================================== Subject: Buffy Sainte-Marie (and more) From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 92 22:18:51 GMT I've finally caught up with the digests, so I better hurry with my answers before the next one comes in. Martin: > except that the basic unit of trade was a Warm Fuzzy. Warm fuzzies were > small warm fuzzy critters that made you feel good when you held them. Sounds like Tribbles to me. :) > they bred like crazy, and soon one could have heaps and heaps of Sounds even more like Tribbles. Dirk: > another metropolis. German television seems to be the poorest in the > world concerning popular music. The only possibility to watch video > clips or concerts is to receive MTV via cable or satellite. Try Bayern 3, mondays: "Live aus dem Schlachthof in concert". I've seen and recorded Concrete Blonde and Shakespears Sister there in the last couple of weeks. > Saturday night I saw a concert with Richard Marx on TV (have you seen > it, Klaus? It came on WDR3.) I like his latest album Rush Street, but No, wasn't interested. I'm afraid we missed something, Dirk. A collegue told me that he saw Tori Amos on MTV Europe. Interview and a couple of live songs. But he just catched the end, so I have no idea how much it really was. To my surprise I saw a video by Tribe a couple of days ago! Not that it was very imaginative. It was 'Abort', although not the version which is on the album with the same name. And someone was requesting a video from Cocteau Twins! Welcome back Albert!!! Welcome back Alan!!! Welcome back Woj!!! Greg wrote: > as far as what cyberpunk is, well, alas, it is largely not very good I was going to agree and to point out an exception, when he continued: > i highly > recommend George Alec Effinger's trilogy "When Gravity Fails", "A Fire > in the Sun", and "The Exile's Kiss" as a entertaining twist on the > style -- the books are set in north africa and are steeped in arabic > tradition -- mint tea and microchips :) Which is, as you might guess, exactly the exception I was going to write about. So, this trilogy gets a double recommendation. :) Well, I probably don't have to add that I like Laurie Anderson too. My last concert report should have made that obvious. My recommendation, Jessica, is also "Mister Heartbrake". "Strange Angels" is in my Desert Island TOP-10, that I did for gaffa a couple of months ago. Anthony asked: > Also I was about to go out and get the new Buffy Saint Marrie album > because I heard some of it and liked it alot. Can anyone tell me about > her. I like that album a lot, especially the song _Starwalker_. "Coincidence And Likely Stories" is the title of the album, and it is quite a pleasant coincidence that I have a copy of WOM Journal 5/92 which has an article about Tori Amos on the page opposite to one about Buffy Sainte-Marie. Here is a summary of the article: She's 50 years, and was a famous protest singer in the sixties. She wrote songs like "Universal Soldier" and "Up Where We Belong". On the top of her success she stopped singing to bring up her sun, and CALS is her first album after this break of 15 years. She is a Cree, grew up in Massachusetts, studied oriental philosophy and pedagogics, and has a doctorate in fine arts. She wrote a couple of soundtracks, of which "Up Where We Belong" received an Oscar, is a painter and illustrator and designs her own wardrobe. The songs "Starwalker", "Going Home" and "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" are new recordings of some of her old classics. The first song of the album, "The Big Ones Get Away", seems to be a single release. I've heard it a couple of times on the radio. > What's more my CD racks are full so it's time to get another one.... Same situation here. :) Vickie wrote: > Sarah McLachlan will also be playing the Park West on August 16. Bad timing. That's a month too early. :( And on the very same day, Tori Amos will play in Orlando,FL, which is 3 weeks too early. :( Vickie asked: > Klaus, are our "signs" lost and gone forever? It's lots of fun knowing > the Chinese signs for temporary purposes, but the individuality of the > old signs were fun too. Can we have them back at some point? Of course not! They'll be back next time. Re: Sophie B Hawkins I've watched and listened to "Damn..." a couple times now, and have heard another song of which I don't know the title, and I was not really impressed by it. In a couple of days she will be performing in Cologne, but I don't intend to go to that concert. I haven't decided yet whether to go and see Carmel. I read about her latest album being countryish, a flavour of music I am not too fond of. _____ klaus@inphobos.w.open.de "Third Worlders see it first The dynamite, the dozers the cancer and the acid rain The corporate caterpillars come into our backyards and turn the world to pocket change" Buffy Sainte-Marie, "The Priests Of The Golden Bull" ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1992 06:20:24 EDT From: eperry@kean.ucs.mun.ca Subject: bday Hey Mitch! HAPPY BIRTHDAY!! I'll leave the singing of the birthday song to your neighbourhood cats - they'd do a better job than I would... :) Have fun celebrating! Beth ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 14 Jul 92 07:56:38 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Fluff (tm) Greetings, Hey, I'm back!! (Okay, you can stop yawning now. :) ) I have yet to wade through the 240 e-mail messages greeting my return, but I just wanted to let everyone know that the tape dubbing will be back in progress imminently. Oh, yes. One other thing! Plentiful felicitations for an ebullient natal anniversary to one Mitch Pravatiner!! Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 14 Jul 92 10:13:13 EDT From: Chris Sampson Subject: ooooooooooops Hi, all, Sorry about the slip up....I'll go home and study my (limited :( ) alternative CD collection and I promise to be better prepared for class next time :) Thanks to Jeff for the correct answers, and also for the compliment on my sig du jour. Chris ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 14 Jul 92 10:23:37 MEZ From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Happy Birthday Happy Birthday, Mitch! Your stories always give me great pleasure. Have a nice day. I hope, you dooooon't ... neglect.. your birth......day ... chrrrr by sleee-..zzzzz...--pinnnnng .... chrrrrr.... ...snore... ;-) Dirk. ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Best music deals - DIWIWYL Date: Tue, 14 Jul 92 11:20:13 EDT Hi, While record shopping the other day I stumbled upon a *real* rarity. I got the original CD5 of DIWIWYL by Sophie B. Hawkins, that was cancelled by Columbia Records, and replaced by the new version that appears on the album. It is quite different and all the sexual ambiguities aren't there. Here it goes: That old dog has chained you up alright Sued you for every cent you owned Repossessed your car and now your home Is up for bidding in an auction... Damn, I wish I was your lawyer My evidence would all be strong It would convince the jurors that they're wrong Damn, I wish I was your lawyer... :) Bye now... Angelos ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)