Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #287 ecto, Number 287 Thursday, 9 July 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Crucify RE: ecto #284 Crucify Stuff Today's your birthday friends.... Sophie B. in her own words zoot! hi folks Fuzzy and aged The uses of DIWIWYL and other picture postcards ============================================================================= From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Crucify Date: Wed, 08 Jul 92 12:59:49 EDT Hi, Mitch wrote: >most importantly for when they did Tori Amos' splendid video for "Crucify." >I actually think it's better than "Silent All These Years." The song sounds >familiar. Who did it first? Funny you should say this... I have had the album for months, and when I saw the video, I kept expecting a different musical background, which obviously came from a song that is kind of similar (I think). I am at the office, and since I read this I keep humming the music I thought would go with Crucify, and only now it occured to me that it is 'Mad about you' by Sting. I *have* to go home and listen to them both just to make sure.... Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 12:50:54 EDT From: Chris Sampson Subject: RE: ecto #284 Jens shares a Shine On You Crazy Diamond story, and prompts me.... It's not a realy biggy, but like Jens' it involves traveling abroad. In February and March of 1987 I was fortunate enough to be able to travel with a very good friend. Two weeks spent all over Israel. One of the last nights when we were back in Jerusalem, we made it into a hole-in-the-wall called The Rock Club. Two guys with guitars and a minimum of amplification were playing. Between sets, I discovered, as I'd suspected, that one was from Brooklyn, and the other from Great Neck. I'm a Long Island boy myself....Well, friendly conversation led to persuading them to play one more set and allow me to sit in on "Wish You Were Here". Personally a thrill, as it is my (probably) favorite song, and as I am not usually disposed to performing in front of a crowd. Probably the magic of the moment would have to be led up to with 1.5 weeks spent in a totally strange and beautiful country.... Chris Sampson "We're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl, year after year......." -PF ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Crucify Date: Wed, 08 Jul 92 22:14:42 EDT OK, you can all relax now. I listened to Mad about You and indeed it was the song I was thinking of. The similarities start and end at the chorus part of Crucify, the 'Why do we crucify ourselves? ...'. The bass line is *very* similar, and Sting's rich instrumentation fully complements Tori's refrain. I am sure this similarity was unintetnional! Now I have to figure out how to play both songs at once, and hear what my mind's impression of this song is... :) Angelos 'A stone's throw from Jerusalem Why do we I walked a lonely mile in the moonlight Crucify Ourselves?' ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 23:41:14 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Stuff WELCOME BACK WOJ!! Tell us all about Spain, did you get to go to the Expo? If so, I envy you. I have 2 teeny, minor sentimental ties that prompts that phrase. First, I went to the Expo in Montreal in 1967, second, Seville is Kansas City, Missouri's sister city. I read a great article about the Expo and, strangely enough, the thing that sticks out most in my mind is mention of shaded walkways where pedestrians were sprayed with fine mists of water to cool them off. (That sounds wonderful right about now. After days of sweater-wearing coolness, today was hot, sticky, muggy ugggy!) Listening to Happy in Spain-neat! Reminds me of walking alongside the Thames at night, listening to Ecto. Thanks *MUCH* to Mike for transcribing the Echoes interview. It was very interesting! Especially hearing her talk about the 1st 4 and her childhood. Thanks to Dirk for the bit about Sophie. Isn't it funny...nothing I've read so far has indicated that an interviewer has picked up on Sophie's sexual preferences. They don't read lyrics either. Not that it matters, of course, it's just that it's funny that someone who looks lik kd lang will get hounded to death about her sexual identity, but becuase Sophie looks the way she looks, everyone's taking it for granted that she's purely heterosexual. I want to see the day when someone will come along looking like kd and *no one* will think about asking her about her preferences. That Advocate article was a pretty sad affair. kd outed herself, but it wasn't totally willingly. I just thought of another Sophie/kd parallel. In both cases, the "mainstream" audience found them before the lesbian audience discovered them. That happened with The Indigo Girls too. If I know anything about lesbian/feminist musical audiences, when they discover Sophie, they'll act as if *they* discovered her, like she didn't exist before. (And I do know quite a bit about lesbian/feminist musical audiences. Ugh! That's a long story, but I had a running fued with that segment of society when I lived in Kansas City. *Please* don't anyone think that I have anything against either lesbians or feminists, honestly I don't. It's just that if yu combine the 2, very often-not always-you get extremely someone who is narrow-minded beyond belief, politically, socially, musically etc.... There are fantastic exceptions to the rule. (Gremlins are causing my sentences and words to get munged up there, pooh...go away gremlins!) My friend Sue in Kansas City is both a lesbian and a feminist and she feels the same way I do.) Anyway, I got off into a tangent there, sorry. I've asked Sue to keep feelers out for any "Sophie-awareness" in the les/fem community (She still deals with the woman who does the "Womyn's music" show in KKFI, the same woman who refused to play kd and Two Nice Girls and The Indigo Girls until they were "discovered" by the "womyn's" community) and she'll let me know how long it takes. "Distinguished" eh? Martin, if have the photo I think you have, please be assured that I do not always look that goofy. I was laughing and trying to get something out of my eye at the same time and the results on film were quite horrific. I was so horrified when I saw it that I took a black Magic Marker to it and blotted myself out completely. There's another one with Doug and Barry and I that's much better. _Wish You Were Here_ has always been my favorite Pink Floyd album, it's nice to see it mentioned. I have a mission. In the Chicago Tribune there was an article about the New Music Seminar that was quite long and very well-written. The only problem was that, if you didn't know any better, by the end of the article you would assume that there were *no* women in alternative music at all, and if there were, they certainly were not at the New Music Seminar. I swear, this guy did not mention one single female solo artist or any bands with female lead singers, or even backup singers, or even female musicians!! Geez, I hate to be strident and obnoxious about pointing out sexism. Lord knows *I* don't want to come off sounding like a strident and obnoxious jerk, but there comes a point when speaking up is mandatory! I'm going to write a letter to this guy. I'll be polite, and gently point out what I'm sure is unconsious sexism. I think he didn't write about any of the female bands because he didn't *think* to write about any female bands, not because there weren't any there. I don't even have a problem if he just doesn't care about female artists, not everyone does, but he had a responsibility to his reading audience to be equitable. The thing that irked me most was that the guy went on and on about how stagnant alternative music has become, and how all the bands sound the same. Yeah, they all sound like boyz with guitarz. I shall tell him that :-) Gotta go... Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Jul 92 1:07:18 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Today's your birthday friends.... HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Michael Peskura & Courtney Dallas!! Michael, your kind words have helped me through some very rough times. You have a knack for sending a card or letter at just the perfect time. Even though I'm truly lousy at keeping in touch, I wanted you to know how much I've appreciated everything you've done for me. I'm saying it now, in public, so everyone will know what a sweet and wonderful guy I think you are. THANK YOU!! Courtney will be off the net until the fall, but hopefully she's going to come to Chicago sometime this summer. I hope so, 'cause I have a lot of hugging to do to make up for being so mean about Tori after Court was kind enough to send me a tape of _LE_. Vickie ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Sophie B. in her own words Date: Thu, 09 Jul 92 01:09:04 EDT Hi, Sophie on sexuality: ------------------- I think that sex and desire is how I get to the next level. I feel, I was just thinking about it last night, not a lot of reviewers have written about, they write about the sexuality and stuff and they write about it well I think, but they don;t write about the emotion in all of that, which I think is one of the most different things about my sexuality, it's that it is so completely emotional, actually some reviewers have said that, and then in that way when they say it's not exploitative, which it isn't and they're right, that's why, because it's so connected to a full body, which is not wanting anything so much so the desire issue is one that I'm trying to figure out, how people mean when they say desire, because I feel like everything I desire is really, it's like my hand is on the trigger and when I shoot it I really get that thing, and it's not that I'm ambitious about accumulating lovers, but it's that this desire is the beginning of an incredible journey and it's always so pointed and so significant, so it incorporates this whole life, which is really this whole eternal, mmmm,it's more universal than my little life and my little sexual ambitions. >From the 'On the edge' interview.[make that monologue :) ]. Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Jul 92 11:28:33 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: zoot! i don't *think* i posted about this, but i am a flooby-brained footah these days :) Angelos, Liz, and i, (the harvard square ecto brigade ;) went into tower records in harvard square the other night, and sure as toast they had the complete Happy Rhodes for sale!!!!! all five CDs were in their own "Rhodes, Happy" slot in the import section (i didn't realize Albany was so far away ;) (actually, it's cool -- all of the interesting people in tower records seem to hang out in the import section ;) we, mm, arranged the CDs so they stuck up and were clearly visible, with warpaint and rearmament (the least scary covers) most prominent ;) all the while commenting on the CDs in loud voices ("oh, look, here are CDs by HAPPY RHODES" "why yes, i see these CDs by HAPPY RHODES" "are they good?" "YESS, the CDs by HAPPY RHODES are GOOD") etc :) this is the first crack into the boston market -- hopefully it will turn into an avalanche :) also noted: Loreena McKennitt's "the visit" is #35 on the cambridge HMV sales chart! footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "this is where life begins" -- HR ======================================================================== From: sae@cmpsci.suffolk.edu (S. Alan Ezust) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1992 12:41:31 EDT Subject: hi folks I'm back in Boston now... Gads, it feels great. My 1st4 of Happy Rhodes CDs were waiting for me when I arrived, and I am in bliss! Now I can hear Poetic Justice and Perfect Irony in perfect clarity. I spent last week in London, and I was pleasantly surprised, when as I was paging through the City Limits magazine, I saw at the Hammersmith Odeon, a triple bill of Canadian Artists for the American Music Festival (go figure). The main group was this folk-duet called Kate and Anna McGarrigle... They play piano, banjo, guitar and accordion. A violin and a few other instruments are also used. THe two singers are quite pleasing to the ear, and the lyrics can be quite interesting. They were however, not the reason I saw them. The other group was a boyz-with-guitarz group called Blue Rodeo. Hard rock meets country, and I say bleah. However, the insignificant little opening act, and the reason I was at the legendary Hammersmith in the first place, was provided by this obscure canadian irish folk musician with the unlikely name of Loreena McKennitt!! Yessirree! After missing her in montreal and kicking myself for it over the last 5 months, I had another chance in London!!! She only played 7 songs, but all 7 of them were fabulous. Her voice filled the odeon and brought tears to my eyes. You could hear EVERY instrument with perfect clarity, from the plucks on her harp to the even strokes of the cello. Oh, words can't describe how incredible it was! I hope I have another chance to see her when she can monopolize the entire evening. Yesterday I was at Tower, frantically hunting for Bel Canto's new releases. They have 2 now - a CD5 of Unicorn and an LP called Shimmering... I saw them all over the place in Germany and England, but I decided to hold off buying them since i figgered I could find them no problems in Boston. But nooooooo! Newbury, Tower and HMV never heard of it. Is it being distributed in Canada yet? Justin, have you heard it? Hmm... My mind can not rest until I have it. Anyway, if any of you ectophiles in California or Atlanta want to meet, please drop me a line with your phone number and I'll call you in the next few weeks... I'll be in SF, San Bernadino, Santa Cruz, Berkeley and Sunnyvale. ciao! -- S. Alan Ezust sae@cmpsci.suffolk.edu Suffolk University department of Computer Science Boston, MA USA ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 9 Jul 92 10:06:22 -0700 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Fuzzy and aged Well, thank you all for the birthday fuzzies ... Please indulge me: Here's how it went ... i was born soon after one of the most destructive earthquakes in Seattle history; i came out ass-backwards in the same hospital as Judy Collins (albeit 10 years later), a week or so after the birth of Meryl Streep, and about a month before Anne Archer. This past year i have met two wonderful women, birth-sisters who share my birthday. One, of course, is Courtney (my new net friend); the other is a lovely ballet instructor of El Savaldoran lineage. Vickie, your kind words mean a lot to me: I hold you responsible for my interest in r.m.gaffa (with those fascinating playlists!!) and my soaring interest in music created by women everywhere; I hold you responsible for this great mailing list (you will ALWAYS be the EctoMa!) and the friends i'm making because of it (hi, Merow; hi, Neile (thanx for the great tapes!)); and I trust you will always fight the good fight. You're pretty wonderful, yerself, Ms Mapes! Thanx for your wishes Terry & Doug (and for the colostate tape factory!) ... and Dirk writes: > And my shoe size is 43 or 9 1/2. HolyMoly ... my age and my shoe size (at least in Europe) are now the same! Cheers to you all, Mp ======================================================================== Date: 9 July 1992 12:35:05 CDT From: Subject: The uses of DIWIWYL and other picture postcards One more thing for our collection of Hawkinsiana: Last night's _48 Hours_ was on Times Square. They had what might be conceptualized as an "Ecdysiasts are people too" segment, following and interviewing such a performer as she went about her daily activities on and off the job. These included a brief vignette of her bumping and grinding atop the bar to the strains of "Damn, I Wish I Were Your Lover." My string of falling asleep on interesting performers on the late night chat shows continues unbroken. This time, the loss was Toni Child's appearance on David Letterman the other night. Anyone see it? How was she? Last week, somebody was wondering what cyberpunk fiction was. As fate would have it, last weekend I happened to pick up _Mirrorshades: The Cyberpunk Anthology_, ed. Bruce Sterling (Ace paperback, $4.50). The introduction tries to explain the cyberpunk movement; it's too long to summarize here, but it says at one point that cyberpunk is "an integration of technology and the Eighties counterculture" (p. xii), which seems to me to probably epitomize the whole thing as well as any. Relative deprivation strikes again: Yesterday afternoon, _The Midnight Special _ played a rendition of "Die Gedanken Sind Frei," which was a topic of conver- sation in these pages several months ago. This version featured the full Germa n lyrics. I had a partially blank cassette in my possession, but was unable to fast forward to the blank part in time to capture the song. Perhaps within my lifetime. BTW, a posting to the comp-academic-freedom-talk mailing list this week related that "Die Gedanken Sind Frei" (presumably the English version; the poster said that Pete Seeger's recording was then popular) had wide currency among the U.S. student protest movement in the Fifties (such as it was then, which was much less than in the Sixties, when the song may still have been popular for all we know). At long last in this screed, some News You Can Use: separate display ads in the current issue of _New City_ state that Rose Records in the Chicago area is selling the new Arson Garden album, _Wisteria_, for $10.99 cd/$6.99 tape through the 17th, while Sound Warehouse (which I think is a national chain) is selling the new Cranes album, _Wings of Joy_, for the same prices through the 21st. And, of course, happy birthday to Mike Peskura and to Court, wherever Court is as this is written. Court, I hope my taste in compilation tape selections (and indeed, in other tape selections) hasn't driven you to distraction already. :-) Mitch ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: The uses of DIWIWYL and other picture postcards Date: Thu, 09 Jul 92 15:37:51 EDT Hi, Mitch writes: >They had what might be conceptualized as an "Ecdysiasts are people too" >segment ^^^^^^^^^^ That had me wondering until I resorted to xwebster to assure myself...:) Just for completeness' sake: ek-dys-iast etymology: ek : opposite of en which means in dys: aggh what is the ancient greek word...Damn... has to do with dive iast: typical ending for a person who performs the activity. Funny how hellenicisms are used in english where the same word isn't used in modern greek! We simply use stripteaser! :) Seriously... However the modern greek word for undressing has the same origin only the ekdys- root has changed through the years to gdys- with a gamma replacing the kappa. Just thought you should know!! Angelos ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)