Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #283 ecto, Number 283 Monday, 6 July 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* lizzette and braindance MUZE and footah RE: ecto #282 Sophie B Hawkins HBP selection -- Harmonium ooh! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 02:50:07 EDT From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu Subject: lizzette and braindance lizzette of braindance is on the net.. I'll ask her if it's all right to have people mail her. I'll certinaly find out when they're next playing and pass that on. jessica ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 06 Jul 92 10:27:18 MEZ From: Dirk Kastens Subject: MUZE and footah Hi everybody, Greg quotes: > recently i have had great luck tracking down songs heard on the radio > using the MUZE system at Tower Records -- you can search by bits of > song titles or even fragments of lyrics -- i tracked down Miracle > Legion's "Snacks and Candy" from just a vague idea based on hearing > half the song once... so, what's obviously needed is little music > keyboard (or perhaps an audio input and a pitch tracker) and some > clever software, so one can search for songs based on that annoying > little bit of melody :) What a nice and helpful invention. (MUZE = Music Utility for Zymotic Earwax ?) The poor people who are searching for techno songs. Tracking down a bit of melody the result may be a) nothing, because techno has no melodies b) tomes of song titles because each song is composed of the same fragments. BTW: thanks to Greg, Shane, Angelos and all the others who took pains over explaining the origins of footah. As a geography student I decided to write my diploma about this unexplored phenomena. During my researches I came across a big folio of medieval songs. One of the nursery-rhymes goes like this: Like a river joins the ocean And the fish is in the sea Like the Earth is still in motion So the footah is in me. A footnote says, that the author of this rhyme had been put to death for heresy because he dared to call the cosmic system in question, which asserted the Earth to be a fixed and flat disc. And he tried to affect the children subliminally with his assumption that the Earth is a rotating ball (see the third line). Enough joking. I'm envious reading the amount of concert and video reviews in this group. Germany (and especially Osnabrueck, where I live) is a poor place concerning good concerts. OS has a population of 160.000 and very few places that are appropriate for concerts. If you want to see one of the big groups (or one of the not so popular artists who only give few concerts) you have to drive a few hundred km to Hamburg, Berlin or another metropolis. German television seems to be the poorest in the world concerning popular music. The only possibility to watch video clips or concerts is to receive MTV via cable or satellite. And if you switch on the radio you will hear chart music all the time. (Phil Collins, Snap!, Genesis, Snap!, Salt'n'Pepper, Phil Collins...) Saturday night I saw a concert with Richard Marx on TV (have you seen it, Klaus? It came on WDR3.) I like his latest album Rush Street, but the concert wasn't very good because he seemed to be rather unenthusi- astic. He played most of the songs from RS, a few that I didn't know, and an acoustic guitar version of What A Wonderful World (the song with 'Don't know much about history, don't know much about biology, a.s.o). (rrrrrrrinnnnnnnnngggg! Lunch time!) After spending the whole morning with reading the digests and writing this message I should do some work in the afternoon. Bye for now. Dirk. May the Cube be with you. ______ ______ | | Late one night a happy martian with nothing to do | | | D | made the perfect pleasure drug and he called it | K | |______| the CUBE |______| (Thomas Dolby) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 09:46:10 EDT From: Chris Sampson Subject: RE: ecto #282 Hello, all, Thanks to Vickie for returning the ball on the response to Mitch's posts...I was concerned there for a second that my less than H Os (as in IMHO), would be met with...I dunno...outrage...."Which is OK, people get outraged...." Still might be....[The post-er recognizes his responsibility to air opposing views whenever he's in the mood]. Great lyrics from the Sophie B. Hawkins song, BTW, Vickie. I've seen the CD in the stores, and only dimly remember the name from this list. About the only lasting impression from the CD, besides the song title Vickie mentioned, is the photo of SBH on the front....how's that onomatopoeia go *schwing*?....;) To Jeff: I think we ALL hate it when that happens. Thankfully you DID have the CD. (Excellent choice, BTW. If I were going to have to go crazy w/music in my head, that'd probably be the album I'd choose. Probably my favorite song of all time (though it occasionally gets temporarily supplanted by new and exciting ones) is "Wish You Were Here"...a small story about that song, sometime :). Finally, Thanks to our ectophile down under for the origin of "Warm Fuzzies", though I am sort of disappointed that it apparently does not appear in print :( The "cold pricklies" part cinches it. Glad to know it seems to be an international story. :) What a fine moral to the story, too, don't you think? Well, all, a co-worker of mine is trying not to breathe down my neck to get at the computer...soon, I'll have one on MY desk and I'll probably get no work done, here, get fired and ....well, we'll let Martin finish the fable of the Fall of the House of Sampson (an Internet Addict's Tale). Chris PS - memory fails, but cheers to whoever recently cited Douglas Adams as a sig. I've my favorites from that "trilogy". I'm considered something of a Douglas Adams freak here. Well, to work....:( ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 10:57:09 EDT From: kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) Subject: Sophie B Hawkins Hi! I was just reading Vickie's post about Sophie B. Hawkins song "Damn I wish I was your lover" and was intrigued. Can someone tell me some more about this: album name, brief deescription etc. The lyrics reminded me very strongly of one of the main relationships in Fanny Flagg's book "Fried Green Tomatoes at the Whistlestop Cafe". For anyone interested, this is a really excellent book. It seems to cover a lot of intersecting and stories or themes, and gives a fascinating view of a particular small American town over a long period of time. It also gives a very interesting moving account of a number of relationships and friendships. For those who saw the movie, which I saw after having read the book, this excluded and simplified a great deal of the book and, while it was a good movie in itself, really didn't do the book justice. On a more music related fron, I haven't seen the band All About Eve mentioned on this group, though they would probably fit in pretty well with alot of the artists covered here, and I suspect that alot of people here would like them. They're sort of a folk-rock band, and their lead singer has a superb voice. My favourite of the albums is the second, "Scarlet And Other Stories" which is not as consistently good as the first (self titled) album, but has some particularly excellent tracks on it. Also I've noticed that Sarah McLaughlin is being mentioned quite a bit on this list. I remember borrowing her first album from someone quite a while ago and thinking it was pleasant but not terribly inspiring. I concluded that it didn't warrant buying since there were lots of more interesting things around that I wanted to get. Can someone tell me if the second album is sufficiently different from/more interesting than than the first that I should investigate it anyway, is is this just a case of my tastes differing from those of others on the list? -Anthony ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: Sophie B Hawkins Date: Mon, 06 Jul 92 11:15:53 EDT Did someone say Sophie? B? :) Back in May I wrote: >I have to say that Sophie is a rather talented singer. She is not of the >ethereal/celtic/acoustic genre that goes a long way on ecto. She is from >New York City, and so she has lots to be angry about. Her style is >unconventional rock/pop you can dance to (for inspiration :)) which sounds >at times like Madonna. The song that struck me the most is 'Listen' which is >almost spoken/shouted. 'I love the way life screwed up the way you're looking >at me', she says at the beginning and goes on to state her claims... She is >*very* sexual in her lyrics. And in the photos in the leaflet. Especially the >nude one on a rocky beach... ;) She writes all of her songs (except one that >is a Bob Dylan cover) and plays keyboards. She gets some serious help from >the session musicians (Omar Hakim plays drums). >So if you don't mind a beat you can dance to, and if you want a break from >ethereal, check Sophie out. She is worth your attention. Since then 'Damn I wish I was your lover' has climbed to number 5 in Billboard's Hot 100 (5 weeks in the Top 10)! I have really enjoyed the album! And last night, as I was reading 'Needful Things' and listening to the radio, an interview with her came up in the 'On the edge' radio series! She talked about her background as a drummer, about 'California here I come', and how her dreams of an extended Disneyland were shattered when she finally went there, and about how her lyrics aren't plainly sexual, but deeply emotional and how much they mean to her. I taped it so if there is enough interest I might attempt to transcribe it. Angelos ------- 'reaction level's much too high, I can do without the stimuli' ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 11:46:06 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Re: Sophie B Hawkins Anthony wonders: >On a more music related fron, I haven't seen the band All About Eve >mentioned on this group, though they would probably fit in pretty well >with alot of the artists covered here, and I suspect that alot of >people here would like them. mm, our illustrious and sometimes multi-hued moderator, jessica, has said some good things about these folks. she played me enough to get me curious, but i have yet to really hear an album of theirs in proper listening conditions... is there a consensus that "Scarlet And Other Stories" is a good first album to buy? >Also I've noticed that Sarah McLaughlin is being mentioned quite a bit >on this list. >[...] >Can someone tell me if the second album is sufficiently different >from/more interesting than than the first that I should investigate it >anyway, is is this just a case of my tastes differing from those of >others on the list? differing opinions! here now, none o' that 'round here! ;) mm, in fact, Ms. McL.'s second album, "solace", is quite different from "touch"... some of the differences are like those between Sinead O'Connor's first and second albums -- "solace" sounds a bit 'folkier', warmer, subdued... i find the song-writing on "solace" an improvement over that on the first album, and the range of sounds and songs is far greater, though i miss the genesis-like 12 sting prominent on "touch"... so, all in all, i'd say that the new album is sufficiently different, and sufficiently good, to warrent a listen :) (HappyNote: Ms. Rhodes professed to being rather unimpressed herself with Sarah's music -- one notes, however, that Happy seems to be less of a fan of alternative female vox than the average ectophile...) into the footah... -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "milk and honey, so intoxicating" -- HR [I don't usually do this, but I couldn't let this go - this was a compeltely unintentional error by Greg (i've verified that with him :) and I don't want people who don't know getting the wrong idea. The above quote "milk and honey, so intoxicating" is not a Happy quote, it's a Sarah quote, to go with the post. It should be attributed to "SM", not "HR". --jessica] ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Sophie B Hawkins From: "Mark C. Carroll" Date: Mon, 06 Jul 92 12:03:20 -0400 ->Also I've noticed that Sarah McLaughlin is being mentioned quite a bit ->on this list. I remember borrowing her first album from someone quite ->a while ago and thinking it was pleasant but not terribly inspiring. I ->concluded that it didn't warrant buying since there were lots of more ->interesting things around that I wanted to get. Can someone tell me ->if the second album is sufficiently different from/more interesting ->than than the first that I should investigate it anyway, is is this ->just a case of my tastes differing from those of others on the list? I haven't heard her first album, so I can't say much about how the second compares... but I suggest that you still pick it up and give it a try. I bought Solace on the recommendation of other folks on Ecto. The first time I listened to it, I was _very_ disappointed - I thought it was dull, uninspired, etc. But since I had bought it, I forced my self to listen to it a couple more times, to see if it might grow on me. Around the third listen, it started to really catch me - I started noticing some wonderful things about it. And now, I can't stop listening to it. I find it absolutely enchanting. I think Sarah is _very_ subtle. You don't catch a lot of the depth in her music on the first listen. But if you listen to it a bit more, you begin to notice more and more of what she put into it. It's worth trying... || Mark Craig Carroll: ||"I prize the cloudy, tearing sky, || Univ of Delaware, Dept of CIS|| for the thoughts that flap and fly. || Grad Student/Labstaff Hacker || For staying in and reading by. || carroll@udel.edu || For sitting under" -Karen Peris ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 12:47:12 EDT From: kosky@saul.cis.upenn.edu (Anthony Kosky) Subject: Sophie B Hawkins Thanks. Perhaps I'll put it on my list of things to get at some stage in the future, and get it sometime when I feel the need for something new. At the moment I've got alot of new things to listen to, so I doubt I would give it sufficient time if I got it. -Anthony ======================================================================== Date: 06 Jul 92 16:27:32 EDT From: Subject: HBP selection -- Harmonium Greg: FYI: The song I selected for the HBP (which appears on the tape Vickie will send you) is entitled "Dixie" by the group "Harmonium" from their album \ Si on avait besoin d'un cinquieme saison ---------------------------------------- [I'm pretty sure it's 'un' and not 'une' but I welcome corrections from francophone ectophones. :-)] (Translation: "If we {, } a fifth season") Hope that helps. -mjm nscribe it if no one else does by Tuesday). Anyways about 10 minutes into the show, after some new age music that will cure all your ills and put you into the same state as the show's emcee, 8 minutes of happy interview ensued, interlaced with excerpts from songs, and followed by "All Things". I must say it sounded *mighty fine* and her music really did fit in well with the whole tone of the show. I am still in a quandary as to why any show would air 5-7am Sunday morning with any hope of getting more than 3 listeners. Kind of like going to an obscure bar to listen to some unknown at 3am Tuesday night only to find that the audience is composed of two of the band member's mothers, a sister and a brother, two wives and the family hamster. Well, you get the idea. In any case, I've got the whole thing, in its entirety, including the intro under which I believe Phobos was playing, complete and full, in full dolby sound, in stereo, with surrounding kitaro tunes, on chrome cassette tape, so if no one *else* taped it (*as if*), I'll happily forward a copy to Doug for disbursement to the slobbering masses. On other fronts, I was very fortunate to catch the Roches (3 sister singing group) as they breezed through the windy city Thursday. Very fine and a must to see in concert. I have their first three albums, but they sound *great* live, and are extremely entertaining to watch... the way they interact and play off each other. Hell, it's a whole psychological study right up on stage. Highly recommended. This week, it's a solo recording of Warren Zevon (can't wait) and Jonathan Richman, spreader of good will and affection-evagelist extraordinaire (actually he sings and plays the guitar)... again if he comes to your town, drop the mixmaster and go go go. Combine that with a fine cloud/sky/fireworks display in Evanston Saturday night and I guess we're all doing pretty well. I even managed to completely avoid the Taste pandemonium this year. Oh joy. And so the summer smooths on. -mjm (mike mendelson) (mjm@zylab.mhs.compuserve.com) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 17:06:48 EDT From: justin@crim.ca (Justin Bur) Subject: Re: HBP selection -- Harmonium To contradict mjm, I assert that it is "une" saison (not pretty sure, it *is*). The title of this, Harmonium's second album (1975), is somewhat ambiguous: the label of the LP (and later of the CD, released 1987) says "Les cinq saisons", which is also the title people seem to refer to it by most often. But the inside of the gatefold album has the title "Si on avait besoin d'une cinqui`eme saison" (the front and back covers and the spine have no text at all), as does the spine of the CD. justin ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Jul 92 17:52:34 EDT From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu Subject: ooh! So, my car made it to the record store today! (it did not, however, make it back home or to work so I had to walk home :P :P ). Last time i was at the store, they had warpaint, but it was in with the generic "R" section. I made sure it was in the front of the row so it was visible :) But this time they have the 1st4 too and they have made up a card so Happy has her own section, labelled Happy Rhodes. (what else? :) Isn't that neat!? Well, i was thrilled :) I got a special present from Happy today. :) I hate to make you all terribly jealous, but i jsut have to tell you!! :) It's a *very* beautiful 8x10 black and white promo photo of her, bare shoulders, hair brushed back behind her neck, one hand up on her left shoulder. (which is, of course, in the right of the picture). It says, in the lower left corner in block letters "Happy RHodes" (of course:) and of course it is signed: "To Jessica, With the voice of an angel... All my love! Happy Rhodes" Which is just *incredibly* wonderfully nice!!!!!!!!!!!!! *sigh* I'm happy even if my car did strand me.. jessica ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)