18-Jul-91 4:12:19-GMT,4578;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01195; Thu, 18 Jul 91 00:11:50 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA03323; Thu, 18 Jul 91 00:11:46 EDT Message-Id: <9107180411.AA03323@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: SiG 118 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 00:11:46 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu I thought this might prove of interest: In the recently re-surfaced "Lost Vickie Files" there is a mention of the SiG 118 Tape Pass-along that Vickie and Larry Hernandez put together a little over a year ago. There were 30 names on a list of people who were to receive a box containg 6 hours of music, and 4 hours of mostly-rare video material, which was to be dubbed and then sent on to the next person. The box disappeared fairly early into the list, but I was, by chance, either first or second on the list and was lucky enough to get copies of all of the material. I honestly don't know what became of the stuff; I dutifully sent it on to the next name on the list. In any event, Tape IV of the broadcast contains almost nothing but Happy Rhodes; it was this that introduced me to her music. I want to start out by listing the contents of this tape: "Suspended in Gaffa 118, Tape IV" The Sundays RWA Here's Where The Story Ends Concrete Blonde Concrete Blonde Beware Of Darkness Area Between Purple & Pink Anyway " The Perfect Dream 25/With Louise Happy Rhodes Rhodes Vol 1 Givin In " " Rhodes Vol 2 No One Here " " Rhodes Vol 1 I'll Let You Go " " Ecto Ecto " " Rhodes Vol 1 Step Inside " " Rhodes Vol 1 The Wretches Gone Awry " " Rearmament Crystal Orbs " " Rhoses Vol 2 To The Funnyfarm " " Rhodes Vol 2 Asylum Master " " Rearmament Because I Learn " " Rhodes Vol 1 The Chase " " Ecto Ode " " Ecto Don't Want TO Hear It " " Ecto Poetic Justice " " Ecto To Be E Mortal Quite an interesting selection, eh? For a long time, I wasn't sure when the music by Area ended and that of Happy began. Finally it got to the point where I was listening to the Happy material so much that it became crystal clear to me and I felt stupid for ever wondering. I listened to this material constantly for most of 5 months before I ordered the 4 tapes. I later told Vickie that one of the reasons I had put off ordering for so long was that I had assumed she had carefully chosen these songs as the best of Happy's material ("Friend You'll Be," one of Vickie's favorite songs, occurs on tape...um, III I think.) and as it was, there were a few songs I wasn't crazy about (for instance, it wasn't until I did the initial transcription of "I'll Let You Go" and understood just what the song was that I loved it; until that time I almost always fast-forwarded through). When I told Vickie about why I'd put off ordering for so long, she laughed and said that of course it wasn't her best material--she had just been trying to play stuff she hadn't played in the previous week or two! I listened to this one tape of roughly 1 hour of material for 5 months. I've now owned the 4 casettes for around 7 months, and for pairs (or more) of songs that occur on different Happy Rhodes tapes, I *still* expect to hear them in the order I'm used to on SiG 118--for instance, I expect "Given In" to be followed by "No One Here," though of course they're on different albums. Alas, I loaned someone my SiG 118 IV tape a few weeks before leaving school and I never got it back. I still have I-III but I rarely listen to them. IV was and is my favorite, and I can attest that the above selection, whether or not it contains all of the truly great songs, is more than powerful enough to turn someone into a raving Happy Rhodes fan. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | 18-Jul-91 4:16:12-GMT,983;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02252; Thu, 18 Jul 91 00:15:57 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA03343; Thu, 18 Jul 91 00:15:55 EDT Message-Id: <9107180415.AA03343@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: for the record... Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 00:15:54 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu I'm quite allergic to cats, and personally feel that the chorus should have been: Look my sun is rising And it's rising over there. But there's no one here, There's no one here. And I'm without a body To keep me warm. And not even a *puppy* To share my storm. ;-) Jeff (who owns a big, beautiful part-Husky, part Shepard mutt named Cleo) |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | 18-Jul-91 4:53:40-GMT,2396;000000000011 Received: from csd4.csd.uwm.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00346; Thu, 18 Jul 91 00:53:33 EDT Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA13956; Wed, 17 Jul 91 23:53:30 -0500 From: Jeanne B Schreiter Message-Id: <9107180453.AA13956@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: A Cat To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 23:53:29 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] A Cat, you say, hmmm. My family has a cat; although I much more tempted to say, she does own us. Her name is Shadow or Shad or Stupid Cat or Underfoot, or any one of those, literally. A "mutt" in the course of cats, a good hunter (who leaves dead mice and baby bunnies (live) on the front porch just when you're about to step in that very same spot which they are.) Description of this "mutt" is inter- mitted short fur combined with longer hairs, black as the stars when there is no moon, with a pale grey-brown underbelly, and nasty claws. (She's an outdoor free spirit cat, whom frankly, I'm quite surprised hasn't killed herself in some of the outlandish things she's done.) Music... After the Vickie posts and the a recent letter from another Kate fan, I think I should clarify what I like and what I haven't listened to. I have not, if ever listened to Kate Bush or Jane, and if I have it has certainly been unknowningly. The only reason I picked up Happy was because Jessica sugguested it. (I often pick up cd's that people recommend and I'll probably find some Kate, now that I'm almost finished with my research project and so many people find a fondness for her music.) I think perhaps the closest I've come to Happy is Rickie Lee Jones and Julia Fordham, and without certain haste, my own poetry. Although you might tend to classify me on that alone, I wouldn't, my musical library is filled with eclectic works by various classical to heavy metal, probably best described as this: I dance int he music as it revels in my being the passion for sound and of images As I travel on my way the bounds only limited by one's own mind but I have come to believe those that are blinded, cease to move or move in circles, camped in the corners of hearts the brush of folly and general reprieve, from which, if it ever happens, my body will still, and this shell that cases me, will die. Jeanne 18-Jul-91 5:56:15-GMT,962;000000000011 Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA05837; Thu, 18 Jul 91 01:55:50 EDT Received: from greylady.uoregon.edu by phloem.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-05/01/91) id AA19449; Wed, 17 Jul 91 22:55:46 PDT Received: by greylady.uoregon.edu (5.60/SMI-4.0.1.2(JQJ)) id AA03251; Wed, 17 Jul 91 22:53:58 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 22:53:58 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Message-Id: <9107180553.AA03251@greylady.uoregon.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) In-Reply-To: <9107180453.AA13956@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: A Cat I'm sorry that you won't quite understand this joke, Jeanne, since you probably don't read rec.music.gaffa, but it seems too good to pass up. Although I wonder if my love of sarcastic humor like this is sometimes dangerous . . . I wonder if Richard Caldwell would object to the statement: "If you like Happy Rhodes as much as you say you do, you will like Kate Bush." 18-Jul-91 10:10:53-GMT,1988;000000000001 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA26018; Thu, 18 Jul 91 06:09:51 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA23140; Thu, 18 Jul 91 10:05:56 GMT From: Klaus Kluge Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 12:08:10 +0200 Message-Id: <9107181008.AA12540@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: misc. (not stuff again) ----- my 'walking toast' mystery Thanks to everybody who helped me understand. No surprise my british colleague couldn't help. ----- in one of hundreds of lines Vickie wrote: > to David Lynch. Angel sent one to Eberhard Weber, a friend of hers. You are talking about the Eberhard Weber who is appearing as a guest bass player on KaTes 'Hounds of Love', are you? I've seen him in concert as a member of the 'United Jazz and Rock Ensemble' some years ago. ----- about cats & dogs Claudia and I love cats (not in ALFs way, of course), but as we are out of the house most of the time we can't have one (or two, or ...). It's a pity. Strange thing is that cats don't like me. Just opposite to dogs. I can't stand them but they love me. Although it was handy when we were looking for a new flat. The landlords dog immediately came to me and sat beside me all the time while we talked so the landlord must have thought that we are alright. But that stupid dog. Didn't it notice that I would rather prefer to give him a kick than a pat? Ah well, never mind. ____________________________________________________________________ | Yeah, mama never falters. As long as mama's her name. | | And no matter what I did. You were there to take the blame. | | But now I found, you're a cat. And you live seven different lives. | | It gets too confusing... you confuse me - you confuse me.__________| | Big fat cat (Rainbirds '91) | kkluge@Materna.DE | 18-Jul-91 13:20:06-GMT,1645;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10815; Thu, 18 Jul 91 09:19:46 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18963; Thu, 18 Jul 91 09:19:33 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 9:19:29 EDT From: jessica To: Jeanne B Schreiter Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) Subject: Re: A Cat In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 17 Jul 91 23:53:29 CDT Message-Id: Wow. I'm so used to people who like happy being people who know of if not absolutely love kate!! It's weird to think i know someone who hasn't heard any of Kate's music. (and realized it anyway). The people on the net that i know know of happy, are all people that i know know of kate, (with you jeanne being the exception) and the people i introduce happy to in person, are all people i've done the same for with kate. It's hard to know me and not know who kate is. :):) jeaane wrote "the passion for sound and of images". Can someone who wrote that not be a high potential for a love of kate? :) OOOOOOOooooooh, it's so rare anymore that i get to see someone's very first reaction to kate. Jeanne! Get "Hounds of Love" and listen to side 2, "The Ninth Wave" and tell me what you tihnk!!! jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 18-Jul-91 13:20:56-GMT,895;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10864; Thu, 18 Jul 91 09:20:48 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18973; Thu, 18 Jul 91 09:20:43 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 9:20:41 EDT From: jessica To: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) Subject: Re: A Cat In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 17 Jul 91 22:53:58 PDT Message-Id: HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! heehee. ahem. heheh. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 18-Jul-91 13:27:29-GMT,540;000000000001 Received: from csd4.csd.uwm.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11404; Thu, 18 Jul 91 09:27:20 EDT Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA25087; Thu, 18 Jul 91 08:27:00 -0500 From: Jeanne B Schreiter Message-Id: <9107181327.AA25087@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: It is Finished. To: alliance@bbn.com (alliance) Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 8:26:58 CDT Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] (Mad laughter in the background) The book is finally complete...(time for some Kate) 18-Jul-91 13:38:56-GMT,2944;000000000001 Received: from TI.COM by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12527; Thu, 18 Jul 91 09:38:48 EDT Received: from [128.247.160.56] by ti.com id AA11556; Thu, 18 Jul 91 08:39:31 -0500 Received: from axis.dsg.ti.com by tilde id AA16971; Thu, 18 Jul 91 08:39:41 -0500 Received: from sqa.dsg.ti.com by axis.dsg.ti.com with SMTP (5.59/LAI-3.2) id AA03048; Thu, 18 Jul 91 08:39:29 CDT Received: by sqa.dsg.ti.com (5.59/LAI-3.2) id AA09892; Thu, 18 Jul 91 08:37:28 CDT From: jeff@sqa.dsg.ti.com (jeff abbott (TB02)) Message-Id: <9107181337.AA09892@sqa.dsg.ti.com> Subject: Jeanne Finding Kate To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 8:37:25 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL16] Jessica writes, re Jeanne Schreiter's unfamiliarity with Kate Bush: >Wow. I'm so used to people who like happy being people who know of if not >absolutely love kate!! It's weird to think i know someone who hasn't heard >any of Kate's music. (and realized it anyway). Jeanne, this mailing list spun off from a news group called rec.music. gaffa. It's devoted to Kate Bush. Occaisionally other "alternative" artists are discussed there. Gaffa (through Vickie) is where most of us first learned of Happy Rhodes. >The people on the net that i know know of happy, are all people that i know >know of kate, (with you jeanne being the exception) and the people i >introduce happy to in person, are all people i've done the same for with >kate. It's hard to know me and not know who kate is. :):) It's a little known fact that Jessica regularly has Kate and Happy over for lunch. :-) >jeaane wrote "the passion for sound and of images". Can someone who wrote >that not be a high potential for a love of kate? :) Sound and images are key in Kate's music, Jeanne. (As they are in Happy's). Kate's music though, is less "personal" than Happy's, in that Kate often puts herself in a role of a storyteller or adventurer. Happy is a bit more introspective (IMHO). >OOOOOOOooooooh, it's so rare anymore that i get to see someone's very first >reaction to kate. Jeanne! Get "Hounds of Love" and listen to side 2, "The >Ninth Wave" and tell me what you tihnk!!! I second Jessica's suggestion, Jeanne. You might also want to get Kate's greatest hits collection, _The Whole Story_ for an overview of this remarkable person's career. Another good album to "begin" with Kate is her first album, _The Kick Inside_. Her other albums are _Lionheart_, _The Dreaming_, _Never For Ever_, and _The Sensual World_. Even though this is Happy's group, I don't think she'd mind us bringing up Kate now and then. :-) If you do listen to any of Kate's music, Jeanne, probably most of the people in this group and on gaffa would be interested in your impressions. Our admiration for Kate is the initial link that bound us together. . . Later, Jeff -- Jeff Abbott Texas Instruments, Inc. 512-250-4323 Internet Jeff.Abbott@hub.dsg.ti.com TI MSG %TB02@hub.dsg.ti.com 18-Jul-91 13:53:34-GMT,880;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14110; Thu, 18 Jul 91 09:53:24 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19429; Thu, 18 Jul 91 09:53:18 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 09:53:18 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107181353.AA19429@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: ohno!! nonononono, i didn't mean that kind of in person! I've never *met* kate bush. goodness. Don't i only WISH!!! I couldn't even go to england for the con :( *someday*, it is definitely in my "overall plan", i hope to meet her. I *have* met Happy, but only the once, though i intend to see her again at least a couple of times. :) When i said "introduce in person" I just meant playing the music for someone, in person. (Instead of sending email to a person suggesting they try something). jessica 18-Jul-91 17:33:56-GMT,1332;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16664; Thu, 18 Jul 91 13:33:22 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17.1) id AA11593; Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:52:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:52:13 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107171752.AA11593@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Missing Vickie Posts? Jeff's right -- Vickie, could you repost the missing stuff to ecto? i posted a query to gaffa/love-hounds; to prevent an increase in stress in this already stressful world perhaps we should wait for an answer to my post before anyone makes further inquiries... (of course, the replies may not make it to gaffa... ;-\ 8-} ) er, if it wasn't clear frm the context, the cool beans i awarded Jeanne were meant as a complement. sheesh, just when we got done with "walking toast", too... also er, i was just listening to _Warpaint_, and hey, guess what!? it's great!! astounding! wow. coming soon, the footah guide to neat little sounds in the background of _Warpaint_ (is that an E-Bow?!?!?) footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "I decided that if the shaking of her breasts could be stopped, some of the fragments of the afternon might be collected, and I concentrated my attention with careful subtlety to this end." -- T.S. Eliot 18-Jul-91 18:11:23-GMT,888;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22656; Thu, 18 Jul 91 14:10:55 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA14300; Thu, 18 Jul 91 13:10:44 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA11261; Thu, 18 Jul 91 09:50:18 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu) id AA04736; Thu, 18 Jul 91 09:50:18 CDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 09:50:18 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9107181450.AA04736@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu, love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu Subject: Summing it all up I think Jonathan Richman summed it up quite nicely last night when he said about music: "If you understand it, then you'll demand it" (or something like that) -mjm 18-Jul-91 18:52:44-GMT,649;000000000001 Received: from aristotle.ils.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28850; Thu, 18 Jul 91 14:52:25 EDT Received: from GUESSWHO (mac49.ils.nwu.edu) by aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-ACNS-1.04) id AA20217; Thu, 18 Jul 91 13:48:51 CDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 13:48:50 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Message-Id: <9107181848.AA20217@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: My turn with 'toast' I didn't notice anybody mention the interp. that seemed obvious to me-- someone who's taken too many drugs is a crispy critter, or toast. Computer people say it about a computer when its chips get fried, too. 18-Jul-91 20:30:57-GMT,978;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA13133; Thu, 18 Jul 91 16:30:29 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA15030; Thu, 18 Jul 91 15:10:45 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA12110; Thu, 18 Jul 91 13:54:58 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu) id AA03286; Thu, 18 Jul 91 13:54:57 CDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 13:54:57 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9107181854.AA03286@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu, jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu Subject: Re: for the record... Cc: stern@chem.nwu.edu Well, Jeff, I'm allergic to all animals (except the human kind, althopugh sometimes I wonder) and I actually kinda the line the way it was with the meowing bvs; I like animals that talk (which may explain the above parenthetical). -mjm 18-Jul-91 23:41:51-GMT,1244;000000000001 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07317; Thu, 18 Jul 91 19:41:20 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12219; Thu, 18 Jul 91 19:41:12 EDT Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 19:41:12 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9107182341.AA12219@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: a good toast story hmmm...well, two toast stories...i know i have been using the phrase from as far back as 1986. the earliest use of it i recall was when a friend of mine that year got severely drunk. the next day, on my door, was a sign saying "xavier=toast" (his name was xavier). the second (and more odd) use of toast was as the nickname for a course that a roommate took a few years ago. the course was "physics of modern devices". what is a modern device? an appliance! what is a modern appliance? a toaster! hence toast (and we weren't even tipsy when we thought of that). one silly question for you all: is the postage for the happy tapes per tape or does that postage rate cover all of them? i sent the tapes that vickie loaned me to derek so he could hear them and now i want to finally buy them all... woj 19-Jul-91 16:12:11-GMT,5144;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28953; Fri, 19 Jul 91 12:10:29 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA20925; Fri, 19 Jul 91 11:10:18 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA14562; Fri, 19 Jul 91 09:58:59 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA05783; Fri, 19 Jul 91 09:58:57 CDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 91 09:58:57 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9107191458.AA05783@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Chicago Katemas Thought I would cross-post this here, since there appear to be some interested parties who are not reading gaffa... >From @hayes.ims.alaska.edu:lh-digest-dist-owner@ims.alaska.edu Fri Jul 19 05:38 CDT 1991 Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1991 13:41:00 -0800 >From: gatech!chinet.chi.il.us!katefans@EDDIE.MIT.EDU (Chris Williams) To: love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu Subject: Chicago Katemas party map Status: R Chris here, || /\ || || || to Jarvis Here is a map to our place for the Katemas party. || & Howard | || ---||---------------------------+---------------+-------------||--------- || | | Lunt | || || | | | || Sheridan || | | | *||* --> ---||---------|-----------------+---------------+------------*||*-----------> || | Morse | Morse | *||*Morse || | | | || station || | | | || ---||-----------|---------------+---------------+-------------||--- || | 1627 |Kt| | Farwell | || || | | | | || Splash-> || | | | | || ---||-------------|-------------+---------------+-------------||---- || | Pratt |A | || || C| |S | ||<---- || L| |H | || The "L" || A | |L | || || R | |A | || to Loyala || K | |N | || || || |D || \/ Close-up view | | | | | | -----|---|--------------------------------------------------------------|--| | | Farwell | | -----|---|--------------------------------------------------------------|--| | | __ __ | | |A | | C | | | | | | | |S | | L | | | | | | |<- Alley |H | | A | | *| | | | |(Don't |L | | R | | |_| | | | park |A | | K | |_______| | | here!) |N | | | | | |D | | | 1627 W. | | | | | | Farwell | | | | | | #2N | | | | 1627 is a tan colored brick court-yard style building. It is on the NW corner of Farwell and the alley. The gate has a speaker-phone to open. Dial *24 to ring us. Be sure to speak directly into the speaker. Second door on the right, up to the second floor. Parking is awful. If you drive, you might have to park more than 3 blocks away. Consider taking the "L". We don't even own a car. What ever you do, don't park in the alley. The best that could happen is a ticket. The worst that could happen is for Lincoln Tow to get their mitts on it. A splendid time is promised. The video projector has been mounted on the ceiling and theatre seats have been set up. We are working on de-furring the apartment for those with allergies. Chris Williams of Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 1627 W. Farwell #2N Chicago, Il. 60626 (312)-508-KATE 20-Jul-91 0:25:07-GMT,1039;000000000000 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01858; Fri, 19 Jul 91 20:24:52 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA05403; Fri, 19 Jul 91 20:24:51 EDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 91 20:24:51 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107200024.AA05403@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: the issue is I've been listening to rearmament most often right now (a couple of songs on it are definitely up there in the category of "would not want to live without") and i have a question about "the issue is". This song has really grown on me, and it's occured to me that i really haven't got` the faintest idea what it's about. i mean, overal i tihnk i understand it. To me, it's about the fear of dying, and not knowing what there is after death. wondering if there's anything left of our mind, our consciousness, that goes on, or when our body dies, is everything gone? just plain gone. but what i don't understand is all the stuff about steel?? jessica 20-Jul-91 2:39:58-GMT,566;000000000000 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA13154; Fri, 19 Jul 91 22:39:50 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06610; Fri, 19 Jul 91 22:39:48 EDT Date: Fri, 19 Jul 91 22:39:48 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107200239.AA06610@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: the issue is I forgot to mention, in this song (ths issue is) there are great big "glug-glug" noises, like water bubbling or something. They don't make too much sense to me either.. jessica 20-Jul-91 16:04:27-GMT,1578;000000000000 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27082; Sat, 20 Jul 91 12:03:50 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA13001; Sat, 20 Jul 91 18:00:49 +0200 From: Klaus Kluge Date: Sat, 20 Jul 91 18:03:12 +0200 Message-Id: <9107201603.AA19543@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: un-un-unbelievable It's un-un-unbelievable! I've _already_ received the 3 Happy tapes I haven't heard. Two weeks earlier than I expected! Wow! The "Gods of Good Music and Good Taste" are with me. Also I've asked Happy to write a birthday card to accompany a _Warpaint_ CD for one of my sisters and she really did write some nice birthday greetings on the _Warpaint_ autograph card. And I got a card myself with some german greetings. Wow! Unfortunately I had to work today, but I took a walkman with speakers with me to start with the new songs. So far I won't comment on them. Give me some time to absorb them. I was positively surprised by the monsters on Vol.1&2. I would not be surprised to see some of them on a SF/F book cover someday. Bye, Klaus. _________________________________________________________ | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | | --- Happy Rhodes --- | | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge kkluge@Materna.DE | 20-Jul-91 18:27:21-GMT,660;000000000000 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18456; Sat, 20 Jul 91 14:26:59 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24388; Sat, 20 Jul 91 14:26:58 EDT Date: Sat, 20 Jul 91 14:26:58 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107201826.AA24388@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: thanks thanks for the thoughts on "the issue is"! I've always gotten those same images from the song. of intensive care hospital wards, of people hiding themselves, i think it's a fantastic song in it's ability to portray such powerful and emotional images with so few words. jessica 22-Jul-91 1:24:50-GMT,2129;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA21029; Sun, 21 Jul 91 21:24:27 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA02266; Thu, 18 Jul 91 22:17:01 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 18 Jul 91 21:06:36 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03284; Thu, 18 Jul 91 21:06:34 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Thu, 18 Jul 91 19:37 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 19:37 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Cats Well I have one very precocious cat named Quincy R. Farnsworth III which is half bald at present because he just had an operation, had to wear a shirt (to keep from licking/picking) and it made his hair fall out. Nevertheless he is King with a capital K of the house, of me and my mom. He is very spoiled and very loved, and he has about a thousand different names like: mock puddumly, boomper, puddums tood, itsty bitsty moosty poosty, schmooziles, big fat rat, the Picker, and a million others. In fact he has so many other names he is rarely called Quincy...oh well. I also have five fish that are absolutely awesome. My favorite is my Sucker whose name is F----r....his real name is Corallines and he is soooo cool. The others are Pascal, Darwin, Madb, and the one I can never remember the name of....ah well such is life. As for Vickies posts I haven't seen them...but then again I haven't looked either...im sick of the digest so im waiting for the weekend where I can read them as news. But for all those who missed it, although Vickie and Chris will probably post it again they have a new phone number.....(312)508-KATE hehehe Vol. II reactions are coming shortly! I know shoot me :) Ive been on a Rearmament kick lately and can't seem to stop listening to it. Maybe I will do those rxns first. We shall see! But they are coming soon. That's all for now......it finally rained here....yahoo! Kyri 22-Jul-91 2:05:24-GMT,4494;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24502; Sun, 21 Jul 91 22:05:11 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA19760; Fri, 19 Jul 91 02:16:49 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 19 Jul 91 00:50:25 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA05626; Fri, 19 Jul 91 00:50:23 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Fri, 19 Jul 91 00:38 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 91 00:38 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Weeeeeeeere baaaaaaack!!! Vickie here. We're back on-line now so I can post things in a more timely fashion. No more long, multiple posts all at once :-) Well, maybe :-) but at least I won't have to write things and watch them pile up, unmailed, due to lack of regular access. Angelos, I loved your review. AND your HRhodes logo!!!! Your tape compilation was excellent. Whenever I make tapes I always seem to go chronologically. It's never occurred to me to do otherwise. Now though, I think I'll take your list and use it as a guide for my next bach of tapes. Thanks! I always do/will put Drears first though, I figure that song will wake people up and get their attention! Klaus writes: > Can't you write that they are really bad until I get them, to give me some > peace of mind? :) :) :) Klaus, the first three tapes are really, really bad. I mean, just too awful for words! Set your mind at ease :-) Jorn writes about "Would That I Could": > God that song makes me... lonely/horny/hopeful/jealous!!! It's funny, I started out really loving that song, and then I started listening to the lyrics. "How totally stupid!" I thought to myself. "This is not Happy-like at all, what kind of drugs was she taking?" Being Shakepeare-deprived I wasn't familiar with "Midsummer's..." and I just thought Happy was in a weird mood when she wrote the song. I was bummed and the "stupid" lyrics really put me off the song for a long, long time. I'd always skip over it. Then I found out that it was Shakespeare and thought "oh, ok, *he* wrote the stupid lyrics" and I felt much better about the song. Since then I've come back to my senses and truly love it again. I still have never read/seen/heard the play, but I hear it's quite good :-) I understand now that it's a fairy tale and so the lyrics are in that vein. John Relph (Hi!) says: > After careful listening to "Wrong Century" I have become convinced > that the low harmony vocalist is no other than Happy herself. > There's something just a little odd about that low vocal... No, no, it's definitely Mitch Elrod, a friend of H&Ks. Jeffy LeWoosh: > (oh, and Vicki, no I haven't heard from anyone named Angel and/or Mike > yet, but it sounds interesting) Give me your phone number so I can give it to Angel. Gregory: > maybe it was unfair to catch me in such a state, but i'm not complaining! :-) :-) :-) I didn't think of that, really, but now I wish I'd played her for everybody! Man, I wish she could have performed at the convention. It would have been truly spectacular! I fantasize sometimes about what the reaction would have been from all those Katefans. *Especially* if she'd covered a Kate song, the way the other singers did. Remember I said once that I could picture Happy practising singing "Wuthering Heights"? Well, I asked her about it and yes, she did used to sing along with it all the time. She was even going to perform it as an encore one night in concert, but they were cut off by the owner of the tavern and didn't have time. Too bad. Wow! I can just imagine. Jessica, thanks for answering my questions, and for saying nice things about me. Alliance sounds like a fantastic group. Jeff B, Kirstin and Jeff A write about Oh The Drears being done with real strings. I agree, it would be wonderful! I got this as part of an e-mail letter. With permission... > I thought you might like to know that KERA-FM, the local public radio > station, is playing _Warpaint_ a lot. Liza Richardson, the evening DJ, > seems to be pushing it quite a bit; she played the whole CD uninter- > rupted night before last, which is an indication that it's her current > new fave. She mentions "on Aural Gratification out of Albany, NY." Yay! Hi to everybody out there. Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 22-Jul-91 2:19:24-GMT,10587;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25193; Sun, 21 Jul 91 22:19:19 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA19757; Fri, 19 Jul 91 02:16:46 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 19 Jul 91 00:50:22 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA05623; Fri, 19 Jul 91 00:50:20 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Fri, 19 Jul 91 00:37 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 91 00:37 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Try this again :-) Hi! Thanks for posting my gaffaposts Steve. There was a problem in the one entitles "them'n'me" (which was supposed to be titled Kate & Jane & Happy & Me, stealing from Jessica :-) but Chris posted it when I wasn't here & didn't know) so here it is again, in its complete version: ------------------------------------------------------------------- Vickie here. Literal minded folks should just add "IMHOs" where they think they're needed 'cause I'm sure not going to sit and type a bunch of 'em. :-) I know that not everyone will agree with everything I say, and that's fine, this is just what *I* think, these are *my* opinions, *my* thoughts... My three favorite female artists are: Kate Bush ^ / \ / \ / \ / \ Jane Siberry Happy Rhodes These women have a power over me that make them favorites and will, I have no doubt in my mind, keep them favorites as long as I live. Why? I don't know exactly, but I'm going to try and work it out. It's interesting. People have favorite artists for different reasons. They were at the right place at the right time and heard the right song and for some reason what they heard hit them hard enough to make the artist a favorite. It all has to do with "magic" (which I talk about in my other post) and these women's magic have become a part of my life. They are individual artists with their own musical points of view, but they do have these things in common: 1) They're female artists. 2) They all have exquisitely beautiful voices. Expressive and eclectic. 3) They all write their own music. 4) They all write their own lyrics. 5) They all take personal control of their own music, from start to finish. There are slight exceptions every now and then in 3/4/5 above. For instance, Kate didn't write "Lord of the Reedy River" and all three have had co-producers at various points in their careers. 6) Their music is interesting and innovative and timeless. I'm not a musician and know nothing of musical theory. All I know is what I like and what keeps me interested through multiple, multiple listenings. I've been a Kate fan for 10 years and I've never once gotten bored listening to her songs, no matter how many times I've heard them. I've been a Jane fan for 7 years and I've never gotten bored listening to her songs, no matter how many times I've heard them. I've been a Happy fan for 3 years and I've never gotten bored listening to her songs, no matter how many times I've heard them. Repeating a sentence 3 times may seem redundent, but I think it's important to say that about each artist, because it's so very true. There just aren't any other artists who pass my "continuous play test" (as Klaus puts it) the way these three do. Music is always the most important thing for me. If all of their songs were just accompainied by "la-la-las" I'd still love them because the music and arrangements are so wonderful. 7) Luckily, their songs aren't just accompainied by "la-la-las" and thank heavens for that! After the music, lyrics are very important to me. Each artist's lyrics fascinate and intrigue and interest me. The songs are about more than "ooh baby love me/i love you/you don't love me/you hurt me so bad/i ain't got nobody/etc." and even when those themes are used, they are written in an interesting and different way. Kate's "Hounds of Love" or Happy's "Come Here" or Jane's "Goodbye" are great examples of tired themes expressed in a fresh, interesting way. 8) They all started writing music at a young age. It was a very important part of their lives and even if none had ever set foot into a recording studio they'd all still be writing songs. The songs they write come from their hearts, minds and souls. All three were true originals from the very beginning of their musical output. Their originality didn't just evolve with time, it was there from the start. 9) They all play instruments (Kate-piano, Happy & Jane-guitar) and those instruments, from a young age, were important in their musical development and beginning style, even if they later took up other instruments or changed styles. 10) They are consistently great. This is *SO* important to me! If I had to reach blindfolded into a pile of K/J/H albums and could only grab one before being carted off to a desert island, I'd pray that my hand would gravitate to The Dreaming! But, I'd still be happy with anything I picked. This is *so* refreshing, because too many musicians are uneven. With these artists I never have to say "I like this album, but not that one/This album has a few great songs, but the rest are so-so/Started out great but got boring/Started out boring but got great/etc." I truly love all their albums. I might have very slight problems with a song or two here and there, but these would be rare, minor nit-picky things that are totally insignificant. An example would be my preferring Kate not try to rock & roll. I've never much cared for "James..." or "...Heart- break" in general, but I do like watching her perform these songs and I love the lyrics, and I came to appreciate a lot of interesting things she does within each song, but they remain my least favorite songs from TKI & LH, and my feeling certainly don't affect my true love of those albums. Besides, she got better at it in songs such as "Violin" (which I had probelms with at first too) and my favorite of her uh..."rock" songs, "Love & Anger". So, even though not everything I heard from these women struck me as brilliant right away, I gave those things a chance and they grew on me. 11) I don't know why this is important to me, but it is, very much so: As human beings they are all very nice people. Women you'd want to be friends with, go and have lunch with, invite over to watch movies. Women who are caring and kindly and friendly and interesting and sensitive and down-to-earth and unpretentious and, well, *nice*. .......................................................................... There are so many female artist's out there and many are very, very good. Female artists are my specialty and I have hundreds of CDs, LPs and cassettes. There aren't that many who have all the above attributes. Some have great voices but don't write their own music. Some have great voices and write great music but lousy lyrics. Some have great voices and write great lyrics but lousy music. Some write great music, lousy lyrics, and have just OK voices. On & on & on.... Some have no (or very little) interest in the recording process and are content to just let producers call all the shots. Some have never played an instrument in their lives. Some are bitches and you wouldn't want to know them personally. Some are just plain uneven and when I talk about them I have to qualify what I like and don't like. That's annoying. There are many female artists I truly love who don't have all of the numbered attributes, so I don't mean to put anybody down here. It's just that my favorites have all of them. That's partially why they're favorites. Individually they are very different, musically and lyrically. I'm not going to go into those differences, but they each have these specific strengths that I cherish: KATE: She's a STORYTELLER. Listening to a Kate song is like reading a great book or seeing a fantastic movie. She's 70mm, Technicolor, Cinemascope, Omnimax, Imax, and the Library of Congress all rolled into one amazing package. Her songs stimulate my imagination and leave my mind wondering what just hit it! She really *IS* and always will be. She can be whimsical and she is very emotional, but her greatest strength is as a storyteller. JANE: She's WHIMSICAL. She can see the humor in life situations. What's so wonderful about her is that her lyrics are deep and wise, even in her most humorous songs. She makes me think while I'm laughing out loud. She can tell a damn fine story and she also is very emotional, but her greatest strength is her sense of humor. HAPPY: She's EMOTIONAL. She's poured out her inner struggles into songs with an honesty and intensity that made me cry and shake my head in awe even before I knew who she was or anything about her past. Emotionally I am closest to Happy's lyrics because I have gone through a lot of the same things she has. Different situations, of course, but I've felt many of the same feelings she writes about. Her songs may be autobiographical, but human emotions are universal and anyone who has ever been depressed or suicidal or confused about life will be able to empithize with her words. She can tell stories and she can be whimsical, but her greatest strength is emotional honesty and insight. That's just a bare outline of why I love these women and the music they make. I'm glad they were able to record their music and, in various ways, get that music out into the world where I could find it. I feel privileged. Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us "Don't think it over, it always takes you over. And sets your spirit dancing" Kate Bush "I can't stop laughing but I feel somehow that everything is alright" Jane Siberry "I am transparent, an open book. There's no choice in the matter. But the breath from my mind is living air. The notes from my heart are what I share" Happy Rhodes 22-Jul-91 2:25:31-GMT,3395;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25553; Sun, 21 Jul 91 22:25:22 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA29655; Fri, 19 Jul 91 06:24:19 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 19 Jul 91 04:53:55 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA07577; Fri, 19 Jul 91 04:53:53 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Fri, 19 Jul 91 03:15 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 91 03:15 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: This'n'that Vickie here. This paragraph in "Pissed" (which was supposed to be called "No more Ms. Nice Guy" but I didn't tell Chris...) seems to have gone bonkers in Steve's version too. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Jon writes: > It's like calling Inky Bloaters "dance music." (Remember that one?) Yes, very well, and it's a great example of how different people have different viewpoints. To you, Dance Music is a genre, like Opera, Pop, Country, etc. It's music specifically recorded to be played in discos, er, excuse me, dance clubs. I acknowledged and accepted your viewpoint. To me, dance music is music I can dance to. Simple as that. I listen to very little Dance Music, and I wouldn't be caught dead dancing in public. (as a SWF-Stiff White Female, as Jones would say, any self-respecting disco would laugh me out the door in seconds, not that they'd let me in in the first place, being as how I'm so un-hip and all :-) However, I do love to dance, and when I'm by myself I'm a regular old dancin' fool. I can dance to songs by Kate, Jane Siberry, Danielle Dax, Najma, kd lang, Victoria Williams, Patsy Montana, Monsoon and yes, Happy Rhodes, to name a few. That's what I mean when I say "dance music" and, as I recall, you never acknowledged or accepted my point of view. You just gave me your Patented Jon Drukman roll-your-eyes-and-sneer technique. Thanks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- That was a good example of Jon Drukman and I butting heads in the past, which is probably one reason why he felt he had to get even with me re Happy. That's all I noticed wrong. "Magic" (which was supposed to be called "Magic, all I feel is magic, guaranteed to please" but.....) seemed to come out alright. I'll have to read it closer. I already got flamed in e-mail about those posts so maybe, I don't know, maybe it was a good thing they didn't appear in gaffa. I may re-post Magic and them'n'me and just send pissed to Richard and Ken via e-mail. I sat on them for two weeks while Chris was out of town, so they were untimely, one of the things I got flamed about ("just when things had died down!) I'm so glad we're back on line now, but gee I missed out on or was very late for so much! My apoligies for the profanity in "Pissed" (including the subject line, blame it on Chris :-) but I really was/am mad at the person who stole the tapes. What a terrible thing to do! Stealing the tapes isn't my main gripe, preventing lots of people from hearing/seeing lots of wonderful performances (*especially* Happy!) is what I'm most upset about. Piffle! Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 22-Jul-91 2:25:50-GMT,6407;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25562; Sun, 21 Jul 91 22:25:44 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA29657; Fri, 19 Jul 91 06:24:37 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 19 Jul 91 04:53:57 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA07580; Fri, 19 Jul 91 04:53:55 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Fri, 19 Jul 91 03:17 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 19 Jul 91 03:17 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: That'n'this Vickie here. Jessica writes: > About having a newsgroup: I wouldn't mind at *all* having a newsgroup, > in fact i'd really like that to happen eventually. i'd rather skip the > alt part entirely though, a lot of sites don't get alt groups. > I tihnk we need 100 more yes votes than no votes in order to start a > rec group. can you imagine? rec.music.ecto Yes, it would be great, but the chances of us getting a Rec. group are nil to none. Who'd vote for someone they hadn't even heard of? There aren't even enough of us (yet) to get 100 yes votes. Pink Floyd fans keep getting their try at starting a Rec. group voted down. Twin Peaks fans had the same problem. As much as I truly love the thought of a Rec. group for Happy, I think we have a better chance at getting an Alt. group, even though not all sites receive them. It's better than no newsgroup at all :-) Oh that Steve, he's such a card: > I wonder if Richard Caldwell would object to the statement: "If > you like Happy Rhodes as much as you say you do, you will like > Kate Bush." Yee Ha Ha Ha!!! I'm sure he'd find a flaw in the logic somehow :-) Klaus wrote: > ----- in one of hundreds of lines Vickie wrote: But...., my 280,000 line post about the joys of little sticks of sparkling glass is only half-finished! >> to David Lynch. Angel sent one to Eberhard Weber, a friend of hers. > You are talking about the Eberhard Weber who is appearing as a guest > bass player on KaTes 'Hounds of Love', are you? Yes indeedy! Eberhard is somewhat infatuated/fascinated by Angel Weaver and they've become fast friends. He's called her from Germany just to chat! She hasn't heard what he thinks of Happy's music yet. Klaus, we are going to pay to be put onto Chinet's Newsfeed so we can get rec.music.misc. Right now we can only receive/send e-mail, but it's free. A yearly fee is required to get access to the newsgroups. Once we do, watch out rec.music.misc!!! I just hope other people who get misc. will back me up. After all, we used to have access to .misc, and I mentioned Happy a lot (mainly back when I used to post my radio show playlists) and no one ever responded to me. I need other people to pop up and say "Yeah, she's right!" like y'all did in .gaffa (thanks again!!!) because that's what got interest (and ire :-) started there. Because .misc isn't a mailing list, I can't imagine anyone complaining there. Klaus, you'd love hearing Dave Barry talk about his dogs! He loves them, but realizes they are silly creatures. There's Ernest, the main dog and Zippy, the emergency backup dog. I'll have to dig up some of his "Boy, are dogs ever stupid!" columns. btw, I also love dogs, I grew up with them, not cats, because we lived on a farm (Yes...I'm a real-live Kansas farm girl, born and raised, and I've even been in a tornado, but I never saw OZ :-) ) I'm mainly a cat person at heart though. Jeff A writes: > Even though this is Happy's group, I don't think she'd mind us bringing > up Kate now and then. :-) If you do listen to any of Kate's music, Jeanne, > probably most of the people in this group and on gaffa would be interested > in your impressions. Our admiration for Kate is the initial link that > bound us together. . . We can talk about Kate, we can talk about Jane (which I plan to do...in response to JA & Tara's remarks), we can talk about anything our heart's desire.....Oh joy!!! Jeanne, I also think you would appreciate Kate. If not her music or voice (which may or may not take getting used to), then definitely her lyrics. After Katemas is over with, I'll send you some lyrics. If you do get _The Whole Story_ (which I'd also recommend) the lyrics aren't included in the album :-( You might be wondering about my remarks that "Kate is God" and "She really *IS*" and think that I'm ready for the funnyfarm, but rest assured that I'm fairly normal and don't worship her as a *real* diety. I'm not in any way shape or form religious so I don't consider saying things like that blasphemous. It's just another way for some Katefans to express how we think that "Kate's No.1" "Kate's the BEST" "Kate's my all-time favorite artist" "Kate's head honcho big cheese grand poobah diva extrodinaire kind of gal" and things of that ilk. It's just a shortcut, but means the same thing. Um....see? When I think of Kate as my favorite artist, Jane as my second favorite artist and Happy as my third favorite artist (I was a Katefan years before I knew of Jane and a Janefan years before I knew of Happy) then for me, it's much easier and faster to say that, for me... Kate is God Jane is Jesus Happy is The Holy Ghost! (Happy's happy being THG, she told me!) Jerry Falwell wouldn't approve but then again, heaven knows what kind of music he listens to :-) woj writes: > one silly question for you all: is the postage for the happy tapes > per tape or does that postage rate cover all of them? i sent the > tapes that vickie loaned me to derek so he could hear them and now > i want to finally buy them all... *grin* *grin* *grin* *grin* *YAY!* Since I started the confusion about the prices, I should step up and clear things up. The CD is $13.99 The tapes are $9.99 each. Postage for one CD is $2.00 Postage for one tape is $1.50 Each additional tape is $ .35 apiece. If you were to buy just the 4 tapes, the total postage would be $2.55. For the CD and all 4 tapes, postage would be $3.40. I think some of you probably paid more, based on my erronious posts. If you want a refund from AG, I'm sure they'd send you a check. I'm sorry for the confusion, I heard Kevin wrong when he told me. Oh woj, I'm *SO* pleased!!! Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 22-Jul-91 2:34:31-GMT,1540;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25810; Sun, 21 Jul 91 22:34:26 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA15973; Sun, 21 Jul 91 22:34:24 EDT Message-Id: <9107220234.AA15973@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Ecto Side 2 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 91 22:34:23 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu After 2 months or so, I finally pulled _Ecto_ out of my car (my primary place for tape-listening...I currently have no tapedeck on my stereo) and popped it into my walkman for a walk downtown. For some reason, the level on the left channel was *much* higher than that on the right, to the point of massive annoyance. Side One sounds fine (ie equal levels on both channels), and my other tapes sound fine. Thing is, I can't remember if it's always been like this or not! So I guess my big question is: is this common? Anybody else experience a similar problem with any of their tapes? Has my tape somehow gotten weirdly munged in the last several months? I already told myself I wouldn't replace any of my 4 tapes until they became available on CD. Oh well. I may have lost quality on "Ode" and "To Be E. Mortal" but at least I still have "Would That I Could" sounding correct. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | 22-Jul-91 2:58:02-GMT,678;000000000001 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27774; Sun, 21 Jul 91 22:57:54 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24596; Sun, 21 Jul 91 22:57:51 EDT Date: Sun, 21 Jul 91 22:57:51 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9107220257.AA24596@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: oops! oh well...i overdid it on the postage then. eh, i don't mind, it's only a few dollars (and not being a poor student anymore does have *some* ben- efits after all!). if they send me a refund with the tapes, then so be it. i'm not going to ask though. +w 22-Jul-91 3:19:26-GMT,1097;000000000001 Received: from rpi.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29678; Sun, 21 Jul 91 23:19:15 EDT Received: from sub.aix.rpi.edu (aix01.aix.rpi.edu) by rpi.edu (4.1/SMHUB25); id AA02619; Sun, 21 Jul 91 23:18:42 EDT for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: Barry D. Wong Received: by sub.aix.rpi.edu (5.61-AIX-1.2/RPI-ITS-SUB10-AIX); id AA152724; Sun, 21 Jul 91 23:16:26 -0400 for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Date: Sun, 21 Jul 91 23:16:26 -0400 Message-Id: <9107220316.AA152724@sub.aix.rpi.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Kevin's music Woj, don't worry Kevin does refund you the money, because when jessica first introduced me to Happy Rhoades music, I just had to hear everything she ever made. Needless to say I overpayed, and Kevin was nice enough to write a little note with my order saying I overpayed and enclosed a check for the amount. Anyhow, after recieving all of Happy's tapes and cd's, I saw the order form, and noticed that Kevin composes alot of digital music, and I was just wondering if anyone out there has them and what they think of them? Barry 22-Jul-91 4:21:40-GMT,808;000000000001 Received: from presto.ig.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08848; Mon, 22 Jul 91 00:21:14 EDT Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA22206; Sun, 21 Jul 91 21:21:12 -0700 Date: Sun, 21 Jul 91 21:21:10 PDT From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: This'n'that In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 19 Jul 91 03:15 CDT To: Happy Talk Message-Id: >That was a good example of Jon Drukman and I butting heads in the >past, which is probably one reason why he felt he had to get even >with me re Happy. Actually, I don't think Jon felt at all like he needed to "get even". He just doesn't like Happy and he disagrees with you. Like the rest of us, he has and is entitled to his own opinion. -- John 22-Jul-91 4:31:30-GMT,1033;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10565; Mon, 22 Jul 91 00:31:23 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00883; Mon, 22 Jul 91 00:31:17 EDT Date: Mon, 22 Jul 91 00:31:17 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107220431.AA00883@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: jon's reaction I won't argue for a minute than jon drukman honeslty didn't like happy rhodes' music, and i won't argue that he isn't entitled to think that. I have no problems with it at all. about half the people i've played happy's music for havent' been thrilled. The other half have really loved it. The problem i have with jon's reaction, and i ithnk this is what vickie was referring to, is that he was very very careful to expound on every point anyone has said was something they liked about her music. it was a very carefully and well done post. i don't tihnk it portrayed how he felt exaclt,y i tihnk he did it that way to make a point. jessica 22-Jul-91 14:35:31-GMT,1752;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29536; Mon, 22 Jul 91 10:34:54 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AB07086; Sat, 20 Jul 91 18:18:47 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Sat, 20 Jul 91 15:08:20 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA00200; Sat, 20 Jul 91 15:10:19 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Sat, 20 Jul 91 12:29 CDT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 20 Jul 91 12:29 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: The Issue Is: junkies Vickie here. Jessica writes re "The Issus Is": > but what i don't understand is all the stuff about steel?? Happy told me there is a story behind this, and it has something to do with the song "Dreams Are" but I've never had a chance to find out the story. I'll try to do that ASAP. In the meantime, the steel almost certainly refers to needles. I think the song is about junkies, very much afraid of death (as well they should be) and who have hardened their hearts to the joys of life. All they are interested in is when they'll shoot up next. > I forgot to mention, in this song (ths issue is) there are > great big "glug-glug" noises, like water bubbling or something. > They don't make too much sense to me either.. Chalk it up to not having quite the right synth sound. Those "glug-glugs" are meant to be heartbeats. Those sounds put me off the song for the longest time, becasue I felt the song deserved "real" heartbeats. This is one that I would love to hear re-recorded. katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 22-Jul-91 2:14:33-GMT,35499;000000000011 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25034; Sun, 21 Jul 91 22:14:23 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA13942; Thu, 18 Jul 91 18:41:55 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 18 Jul 91 15:25:31 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA29343; Thu, 18 Jul 91 15:25:28 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Thu, 18 Jul 91 15:20 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 15:20 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: jessica@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Here they are! Chris here, This first post appeared under the title "Magic." **************************************************************************** Vickie here. Chris has been out of town on business so we're (as usual) far behind on posting. This is likely to be long. I wanted to talk about the indescribable, very hard-to-define thing I call "Musical magic" and, though this post isn't just about Happy Rhodes, she is mentioned throughout. I hope you people who've given up reading Happy posts give this a scan, because there are thoughts that you should be able to identify with and might be able to express in a more articulate way, should this start a thread going. Richard wrote: > Vickie doesn't hedge one bit on her statement that Happy is NOT > just another singer and that she has the same sort of *spirit* (Richard mistakenly wrote "style") > and magic as Kate Bush. > "Generally" and "many" don't have anything to do with Happy, they > are applied to Katefans. What she hedges on is her audience's > ability to feel this magic, not it's existence. To me it sounds > like she's saying that it IS there but not everybody is open enough > to perceive it. > If this was not her intent then I was mistaken and I apologize. No need to apologize Richard. People are arguing about what I *really* meant and I was going to ignore it, just letting my words stand as written, but I want to explain my intent a bit more. I have a double whammy of being off the net and not able to answer things immediately and also of not being very articulate when I do get around to replying. I'll try to be a bit clearer this time, though no guarantees. Trying to define "magic" and "spirit" would make a fascinating thread. Obviously I'm not talking about rope tricks and ghosts here. What *IS* it about Kate that elevates her to Goddess status among us? I know that not everybody reading gaffa is a die-hard Kate fan, but I think that most of us *would* list her as our favorite artist, we *would* say that she possesses a certain something that make her so special to us. If someone asked me "why is Kate your favorite artist?" I'd be able to give all kinds of reasons off the top of my head. Great voice, brilliant music, amazing lyrics, intelligent, interesting, innovative, independent, nice person. Beyond those things, there's something else that's so very hard to put into words. After all, you often hear people say things like "I really like Kate but I'm not as big a fan as you all" or "I admire her but there are other artists I like better" - along those lines. What *IS* that "special something" that we feel? It's "magic" and I don't have a better word for it nor do I know how to define it but I do know it's there. Sometimes people feel it right away (I felt it 30 seconds into my first listen of "Wuthering Heights") and sometimes it takes months or even years. I thought the "How I got into Kate" thread was fascinating because people went beyond just the first contact and described when "the magic" actually hit them. Even though we didn't use those words, "got into" means feeling the magic and it was very clear that's what the thread was really about. I love hearing that kind of stuff. Keep this in mind if you intend to read further, just so you know where I stand and what I believe. It worries me that some people, new readers especially, might think that I'm a non or casual Katefan barging into the group trying to convince them that Happy is "just as good as" Kate: Kate *IS*! She really *IS*! Her magic is the Strongest and the Best. I've been a Katefan for 10 years and she'll always be my ultimate favorite. But... To a lesser extent other artists can have a magic too. I may not feel it but if other people do then it's there. If I feel it from someone but other people don't, it's still there. Examples: If I play Kate for someone and they just shrug their shoulders and say "I don't get it" then I would know that not only do they not "get it," they don't "feel it" either. The magic's still there though. There are a lot of die-hard Joni Mitchell fans and some of them have wondered in the past why I'm not interested in her. They feel her magic. I don't. I honestly respect and admire JM but her music and voice don't interest me at all. Her lyrics *do* interest me, but I really doubt that I'll ever become a fan. It's possible, but doubtful. However, just because I don't feel her magic doesn't mean that I should say that it doesn't exist. I knew about Jane Siberry for many months before her magic captured me. Chris felt it the first time he heard her. It would be wrong for me to say that it didn't exist at all until I was ready to open myself to it and it revealed itself to me. > What she hedges on is her audience's ability to feel this magic, > not it's existence. To me it sounds like she's saying that it IS > there but not everybody is open enough to perceive it. That's exactly what I'm saying. I feel the magic of Happy Rhodes. So do other people. Just because someone else might not doesn't mean that its not there. Unfortunately, what I said makes it sound as if I would ridicule or denegrate anyone who doesn't feel the magic. If I ever gave anyone that impression I am so truly sorry. I *honestly* don't mean to project a "holier-than-thou" attitude, as Ken put it. I certainly wouldn't think less of anybody if they didn't feel the magic I feel. Why certain artists are special to people is a very individual thing. It takes the right person at the right time in the right place in the right mood hearing the right song for the magic of any great artist to reveal itself. I understand that. Even if magic is felt it might not "take hold" (I don't know how else to put it) and stay with a person. For example, I know that Mozart's music has magic. I felt it when I saw _Amadeus_ and for a few months I became a Mozart fanatic. I still love the music but I just lost interest in keeping up. Yet I know there are people who devote their entire lives to Mozart's life and works. Obviously the magic has taken hold in a major way! The other day I had an overpowering urge to listen to XTC. For some reason the song "Dear God" popped into my head and wouldn't go away. I went to my CD shelf and realized I only had *one* XTC CD, _Skylarking_. We do have more on LP but I was kind of shocked. XTC has magic. I know it and I feel it. But it's never hit me strong enough to go buy all the CDs. Even when someone knows about or even feels the magic of an artist (or group) there are varying degrees of intensity that it affects them. This is all very "Doug's red chairish" but I really don't care about Doug's red chair. Said chair does not reveal its magic to me and has no meaning or impact in my life. I do care about Kate and Jane and Happy. I do feel their magic. These artists are very important to me. Kate *most* especially, because being a fan of her music changed my entire life. Honestly and without an ounce of exaggeration, I would not be who I am or where I am if I had never heard her music. Feeling her magic has affected my entire existence. If I'd never heard Kate I would still be shy and withdrawn and lonely and depressed. I would never have met Chris. I wouldn't have gotten interested in female voices. I would never have gotten my radio shows. I wouldn't have the music collection I have now. I would never have moved to Chicago. I would never have heard of Love-Hounds. I wouldn't be sitting here typing this :-) On & on & on I could go but, simply put, nearly every single thing that's happened to me in the last ten years is a direct result of hearing and feeling the magic of Kate Bush. That's pretty heavy! Oh yeah, I also would never have heard of Jane Siberry or Happy Rhodes! Kate's wasn't the first magic I felt. Seeing Genesis with Peter Gabriel on Midnight Special in 1973 was the first time I felt the overpowering wonder and amazement and awe and indescribable *power* of musical magic. I grew up with music. I've always *loved* music. But that was the first time music grabbed my soul and psyche, heart and mind, and refused to let go. Since another Peter Gabriel fan sent me the tape with Kate on it, it's really Peter who brought me to this point. It's all his fault :-) Because I happened to be at the right place at the right time in the right mood, these songs revealed their artist's magic to me: "Watcher of the Skies" by Genesis/Peter Gabriel "Wuthering Heights" by Kate Bush "Map of the World, Pt. II" by Jane Siberry "Off From Out From Under Me" by Happy Rhodes Other people may have the same experience with different songs and different artists. The key is feeling the magic that the songs and artists have to offer. I don't mean that I do take every claim of magic seriously, if someone says it then it must be true. If a 14-year old girl claimed to feel the "magic" of New Kids on the Block, I'd...well, I guess I'd choke back my first response and remember back to when I was but a wee young teenybopper myself, when I thought Davy Jones and David Cassidy were Gods on High. I was obsessed, and I probably would have called it magic too, but it was an illusion. Thankfully the Gods of Good Music and Good Taste smiled on me and I was able to recognize the "real thing" years later. I would hope that that 14-year old girl would be as lucky as I was. I don't mean that she'd necessarily have to get into Kate (though that would be nice). There is so much magical music in the world and it really wouldn't matter if she felt it from Bach or Bush or whoever. I just feel really sorry for people who go through life never letting music touch them. Most people don't. Most people treat music as background. You know, when you ask someone what kind of music they like and they say "Oh I like all kinds of music" and when you try to dig further you realize that they don't *really* like anything or anyone, beyond who's on the radio at the moment. Their "favorites" come and go with the charts. Uugh! I have no idea why certain people are open to musical magic and others aren't. I don't know why I sat in front of the TV that fateful night and was mesmerized by Peter Gabriel in his batwings while the other people in the room weren't. Comments ranged from "Weird" to "Cool" to "Stupid" to "Oh my God, this is going to change my entire life!" (well, that's what I would have said if I'd known! :-) I felt *different* afterwards though, and I couldn't make anyone undertand why or how. I didn't understand it myself) and I was the only one who followed up on the group, which led to... ...Hi everybody! Turning my attention back to Happy Rhodes, I think I caused the most problems for some people when I said the following: 1. > Happy has the *same sort of* magic and spirit as Kate Bush and 2. > Happy is the closest thing we have to an American *"Kate Bush"* which I still believe, but in a *figurative* way, which I didn't explain fully enough. This is the hard part, because these are things I've always felt, but never tried to put into words. When I foolishly did, with the comments written above, I was jumped on by literal-minded Kate-clutchers. I think it's unfortunate that some people took me *so* literally that when they listened to her music they unconsiously expected something as truly mind-blowing as The Dreaming or The Ninth Wave. Of course those people would be put off and say "What's the big deal?" and "yawn" etc. because Happy's music is nothing like Kate's. For one thing, it's much simpler and not anywhere near as advanced. She is truly her own artist, but if I talk about Happy in Katian terms it doesn't have anything to do with Kate herself, but rather the katian *experiences* I've had. That is, feeling a magic, feeling a spirit. When I say something like "Happy's music is simple, like _The Kick Inside_ and _Lionheart_" I *don't* mean that her music *sounds* like the music on those albums, but rather that it's simple, yet original. Modest yet somehow intricate. Unaffected, unpretentious and pure, but timeless. Music that grows on you (if you want it to and let it) and will stay with you for a lifetime. Music you can listen to over and over again and never get tired of. If I were not a Kate fan (what a horrible thought) I wouldn't have any reference points to use. Since I am a Katefan I use what I know. That's all. I'm sorry I didn't try to explain myself better. When I made the comment about Happy being the closest thing to an American "Kate Bush" I was dictating over the phone, Jorn typing. I wasn't able to elaborate. Again, I didn't mean that Happy is *like* Kate. Because I'm a Kate fan, I again used her as a reference point. I meant that, in Happy, America has a rare solo female singer/songwriter/lyricist/musician who is original and interesting and independent. Are there others? Yes, I guess, but not for me. Some might say Laurie Anderson or Meredith Monk, but though I like and admire those women, I have some albums and have seen both in concert, I wouldn't say I'm a big fan of either. They and others have magic, but I don't feel it in the same way their real fans do. I do feel Happy's magic, and it's very near the same kind of magic I feel with Kate. Kate is God though. There's no "danger" of Happy pushing Kate aside and becoming my very favorite. Kate is the One. She is inimitable. However, I am pleased that there are other solo female singer/songwriter/lyricist/musicians who are original and interesting and independent and have magic I can feel. Personally, I'm talking about Jane Siberry and Happy Rhodes. That doesn't make them "Kate-wanna-be's" or "Kate-I-want-them-to-be's" (one of your more nonsensical argumental points Richard), they are individual artists with their own musical points of view. It just makes them an important part of my life. Women I can truly admire and respect, in the same way I admire and respect Kate. Women who make music that I love, the same way I love Kate's music. Women I'm glad I found and got into, the same way I'm glad I found and got into Kate. I don't expect everyone to feel the same way I do, and I have no problems with anyone who doesn't. Again, there is so much musical magic out there and the fact that we all found and recognized the cream d'la creme (Kate) gives us a common bond that is truly special. That means a lot to me. Vickie (not one of Richard'n'Missy) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us "My ears are lucky to hear these glorious songs of inspiration" Happy Rhodes ***************************************************************************** The next appeared under the title "Pissed" ***************************************************************************** Vickie here. To hell with my "swan song", it's hot and I'm in a bad mood. Vishal wrote: >>> I am also tired of the endless postings by recent Happy convertee >>> basically saying "I just got my Happy tapes and she is like *AWESOME*. >>> I feel *so* cool now that I am a Happy fan. I wrote: >> This is so *unbelieveably* unfair!!!! What a rude thing to say! Ken Brownfield wrote: > Doesn't it suck when someone has a different opinion than you? Darnit. and later added: > I'm busy trying to find out when the Chicago Katemas is! ;-) How odd. Ken, where you come from, is is customary to be sarcasticly rude to people who are hosting a party you plan on attending? For the record, I still think what Vishal said was unfair. People weren't saying they liked Happy's music just because they thought it was a cool thing to say. They said it because they liked Happy's music. Simple as that. Dan Welsh writes (re the "frothing"): > This makes me hesitant to try it, because EVERY artist has his/her/their > die-hard fans, and I tend to discard these people's opinion's immediately, > because they cannot be objective in re the artist. Is it just me, or is there an whiff of "If so many people say it's so great then it must not be any good" in the air? Others have said nearly the same sort of thing. I might agree if we were rec.music.misc. but... these are not music.misc readers who suddenly showed up in gaffa touting Happy. These are people who are true Kate fans. People who would more than likely agree with the declaration that "Kate IS God" as would I. Most of them had never heard of (or at least heard) Happy until a couple of months ago! They were just stating their enthusiastic opinion! I *know* that not every Katefan will like Happy, and there have been posts that have confirmed this. But I feel that some people have discounted Happy simply because so many people, in a short space of time, popped up with "I got her and I like her" posts. That's extremely silly. Dan also said: > But in Happy's case, there have been mostly yawns outside of the > die-hard camp, and this isn't encouraging to me. I haven't counted them but the "amazings" seem to outnumber the "yawns" by about 27 to 4. At least 2 of those "yawns" (maybe all 4) failed to carefully read some of those "amazing" posts and didn't catch the descriptions (yes, they did exist, in abundance) of Happy's music that said it was "simple" and they no doubt expected to hear "The Ninth Wave" and _The Dreaming_, at the very least, by God. When they failed to hear this and were not blown clear across the room in ecstacy, they tended to "yawn" in response. I *know* that not every Kate fan will like Happy (how many times am I going to have to say that to make up for past mistakes?) but it's also hard to tell if they don't like Happy because of taste, or because they didn't pay attention and their expectations were all out of whack? Ken later added: > When the Holier Than Thou Happy Fan crowd pushed in, my lunch > involuntarily pushed out. Judging by what you said in other posts, I guess this refers to me. I never meant to be "Holier Than Thou" as you seem to think. I thought that many of Kate's fans would be likely to like Happy, knowing (of course) that tastes here are wide and varied and that it wouldn't apply to everyone. I'll be the first to admit that I may have gone overboard and alienated some people. What can I say? I've said "sorry" too many times already, so I'll forego that one. How about....oh well darn...too bad! I'm estatic that so many people trusted my taste enough to give Happy a try, and that so many of them were pleased with what they heard. Quoting Shane, Ken also said: > I will carefully assume "she's golden, just like KaTe is." had an > invisible IMO after it. Correct assumption? Why should it? Just because you don't think so doesn't mean that she isn't. See my other post about "magic" and the fact that if people feel it then it's there. Happy *IS* "golden", in a different way, for different reasons, but it is true. No IMO, IMHO, IMVHO, INVHSO. Shane feels it, Jessica feels it, Steve feels it, Kirsten feels it, Jeff feels it, I feel it and so do MANY others. It's *TRUE*! I *know* you don't like Happy anywhere _near_ as much as you like Kate. That's fine. I understand. No problem. We're not saying there's anything wrong with you or that. You just have different tastes and priorities. I respect your opinion. Happy is not as important to you as Kate is. Happy is not as important to me as Kate is. Happy is more important to me than she is to you. Feeling "magic" from an artist is a very individual thing. But all of these "how dare you call Happy golden, how dare you say that Happy has magic, how dare you mention Happy and Kate in the same breath" -ish- posts are as sickening to me as you and others say the "Happy is amazing" -ish- posts are to you. People have complained that there's a "Buy Happy, like Happy, or be a dork" tone to posts. That's NOT true. I've read over all the Happily estatic posts and I don't see that anywhere. There WAS a tone (I started it, and boy am I sorry) of "If you like Kate you'll like Happy" and of course it's not true for everybody. I *know* that and I'd go back and change my posts' wording if I could. Now, from the anti-Happy posts people there is *definitely* a tone of "If you love Happy so much, then you're not as big a Katefan as you say you are" and that's silly too. Kate is IT and any other great solo female artists are just phony wannabes? And if we love any of those phony wannabes anywhere _near_ as much as we love Kate then we're in the WRONG newsgroup? Give me a break!!! > I do like Kate just as much I as I say I do. Take my word for it. > But I reserve the right make my own decisions on who's music I like or > don't like and I refuse to have my love of Kate's music called into > question because of it. Richard, we finally agree on something! I truly, deeply, honestly and sincerely love Kate Bush's music. I also truly, deeply, honestly and sincerely love Jane Siberry's music and Happy Rhodes' music. My love for their music has no impact on, does not diminish my love for Kate's music in any way shape or form. If anyone dares to question *MY* "credentials" as a Katefan, just because I push Happy so hard, I'll sic IED on 'em!!!! Jon writes: > It's like calling Inky Bloaters "dance music." (Remember that one?) Yes, very well, and it's a great example of how different people have different viewpoints. To you, Dance Music is a genre, like Opera, Pop, Country, etc. It's music specifically recorded to be played in discos, er, excuse me, dance clubs. I acknowledged and accepted your viewpoint. To me, dance music is music I can dance to. Simple as that. I listen to very little Dance Music, and I wouldn't be caught dead dancing in public. (as a SWF-Stiff White Female, as Jones would say, any self-respecting disco would laugh me out the door in seconds, not that they'd let me in in the first place, being as how I'm so un-hip and all :-) However, I do love to dance, and when I'm by myself I'm a regular old dancin' fool. I can dance to songs by Kate, Jane Siberry, Danielle Dax, Najma, kd lang, Victoria Williams, Patsy Montana, Monsoon and yes, Happy Rhodes, to name a few. That's what I mean when I say "dance music" and, as I recall, you never acknowledged or accepted my point of view. You just gave me your Patented Jon Drukman roll-your-eyes-and-sneer technique. Thanks. > Richard heard Caterwaul on a tape I made for him of about 20 different > female vocal tracks. I just listed the artists and titles, he asked about > the stuff that interested him. Quite different from logging in every day > and seeing five new messages telling him to mail order all their stuff. You're right, in hindsight we should have handled the whole thing differently. At the time, we had no idea so many people were ticked off. Btw, I didn't know that Richard heard Caterwaul from you. I thought it was from me talking about them. > Or, to use a rather apt metaphor: The first taste was free! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This last line really pissed me off. Quickly, not because you said it, but because it reminded me of my SIG Pass-Along tapes. They disappeared after only a few people had gotten them. There were nearly 30 people on the list who wanted them. Since there was over an hour of Happy's music on those tapes, many more would have gotten a taste of her music over a *year* ago if the pass along had worked out the way I planned. Not only just Happy, but dozens of other female artists were represented, both on audio and on video. Grrrrrrrr!!!!! I thought about doing it again but I'm more wary now. It was a big expense of time, effort and money, for myself and for Larry Hernandez, and the tapes are probably just sitting on someone's shelf now, gathering dust, or probably taped over. May the person who stole them be cursed with Vanilla Icytosis!!! (Hey YOU, whoever you are, if you're reading this....FUCK YOU!!!! Yes, I'm pissed!!! There was so much great music on those tapes and you prevented many others from sampling and possibly enjoying it! Besides, you owe Larry and I money for the audio and video tapes!!! Pay up JERK!!!) Now that that rant is over, I leave you with... On June 9 Ken Saint John said: > Frankly right now you could not _give_ me a Happy record or CD! On June 29 Ken Saint John said: > I received the "Warpaint" CD as a gift... No comment, just thought it was interesting. Posts about posts about posts about posts! .......sigh...... Now that I got that stuff out of my system, I can go back to being Vickie Sunshine. Huhhh! Vickie (one of us) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us "I'll never hate you, I'll never think of you, and I'll never grieve" Someone nice This first post appeared under the title "Them'n'Me." **************************************************************************** Vickie here. Literal minded folks should just add "IMHOs" where they think they're needed 'cause I'm sure not going to sit and type a bunch of 'em. :-) I know that not everyone will agree with everything I say, and that's fine, this is just what *I* think, these are *my* opinions, *my* thoughts... My three favorite female artists are: Kate Bush ^ / \ / \ / \ / \ Jane Siberry Happy Rhodes These women have a power over me that make them favorites and will, I have no doubt in my mind, keep them favorites as long as I live. Why? I don't know exactly, but I'm going to try and work it out. It's interesting. People have favorite artists for different reasons. They were at the right place at the right time and heard the right song and for some reason what they heard hit them hard enough to make the artist a favorite. It all has to do with "magic" (which I talk about in my other post) and these women's magic have become a part of my life. They are individual artists with their own musical points of view, but they do have these things in common: 1) They're female artists. 2) They all have exquisitely beautiful voices. Expressive and eclectic. 3) They all write their own music. 4) They all write their own lyrics. 5) They all take personal control of their own music, from start to finish. There are slight exceptions every now and then in 3/4/5 above. For instance, Kate didn't write "Lord of the Reedy River" and all three have had co-producers at various points in their careers. 6) Their music is interesting and innovative and timeless. I'm not a musician and know nothing of musical theory. All I know is what I like and what keeps me interested through multiple, multiple listenings. I've been a Kate fan for 10 years and I've never once gotten bored listening to her songs, no matter how many times I've heard them. I've been a Jane fan for 7 years and I've never gotten bored listening to her songs, no matter how many times I've heard them. I've been a Happy fan for 3 years and I've never gotten bored listening to her songs, no matter how many times I've heard them. Repeating a sentence 3 times may seem redundent, but I think it's important to say that about each artist, because it's so very true. There just aren't any other artists who pass my "continuous play test" (as Klaus puts it) the way these three do. Music is always the most important thing for me. If all of their songs were just accompainied by "la-la-las" I'd still love them because the music and arrangements are so wonderful. 7) Luckily, their songs aren't just accompainied by "la-la-las" and thank heavens for that! After the music, lyrics are very important to me. Each artist's lyrics fascinate and intrigue and interest me. The songs are about more than "ooh baby love me/i love you/you don't love me/you hurt me so bad/i ain't got nobody/etc." and even when those themes are used, they are written in an interesting and different way. Kate's "Hounds of Love" or Happy's "Come Here" or Jane's "Goodbye" are great examples of tired themes expressed in a fresh, interesting way. 8) They all started writing music at a young age. It was a very important part of their lives and even if none had ever set foot into a recording studio they'd all still be writing songs. The songs they write come from their hearts, minds and souls. All three were true originals from the very beginning of their musical output. Their originality didn't just evolve with time, it was there from the start. 9) They all play instruments (Kate-piano, Happy & Jane-guitar) and those instruments, from a young age, were important in their musical development and beginning style, even if they later took up other instruments or changed styles. 10) They are consistently great. This is *SO* important to me! If I had to reach blindfolded into a pile of K/J/H albums and could only grab one before being carted off to a desert island, I'd pray that my hand would gravitate to The Dreaming! But, I'd still be happy with anything I picked. This is *so* refreshing, because too many musicians are uneven. With these artists I never have to say "I like this album, but not that one/This album has a few great songs, but the rest are so-so/Started out great but got boring/Started out boring but got great/etc." I truly love all their albums. I might have very slight problems with a song or two here and there, but these would be rare, minor nit-picky things that are totally insignificant. An example would be my preferring Kate not try to rock & roll. I've never much cared for "James..." or "...Heart- break" in general, but I do like watching her perform these songs and I love the lyrics, and I came to appreciate a lot of interesting things she does within each song, but they remain my least favorite songs from TKI & LH, and my feeling certainly don't affect my true love of those albums. Besides, she got better at it in songs such as "Violin" (which I had probelms with at first too) and my favorite of her uh..."rock" songs, "Love & Anger". So, even though not everything I heard from these women struck me as brilliant right away, I gave those things a chance and they grew on me. 11) I don't know why this is important to me, but it is, very much so: As human beings they are all very nice people. Women you'd want to be friends with, go and have lunch with, invite over to watch movies. Women who are caring and kindly and friendly and interesting and sensitive and down-to-earth and unpretentious and, well, *nice*. .......................................................................... There are so many female artist's out there and many are very, very good. Female artists are my specialty and I have hundreds of CDs, LPs and cassettes. There aren't that many who have all the above attributes. Some have great voices but don't write their own music. Some have great voices and write great music but lousy lyrics. Some have great voices and write great lyrics but lousy music. Some write great music, lousy lyrics, and have just OK voices. On & on & on.... Some have no (or very little) interest in the recording process and are content to just let producers call all the shots. Some have never played an instrument in their lives. Some are bitches and you wouldn't want to know them personally. Some are just plain uneven and when I talk about them I have to qualify what I like and don't like. That's annoying. There are many female artists I truly love who don't have all of the numbered attributes, so I don't mean to put anybody down here. It's just that my favorites have all of them. That's partially why they're favorites. Individually they are very different, musically and lyrically. I'm not going to go into those differences, but they each have these specific strengths that I cherish: KATE: She's a STORYTELLER. Listening to a Kate song is like reading a great book or seeing a fantastic movie. She's 70mm, Technicolor, Cinemascope, Omnimax, Imax, and the Library of Congress all rolled into one amazing package. Her songs stimulate my imagination and leave my mind wondering what just hit it! She really *IS* and always will be. She can be whimsical and she is very emotional, but her greatest strength is as a storyteller. JANE: She's WHIMSICAL. She can see the humor in life situations. What's so wonderful about her is that her lyrics are deep and wise, even in her most humorous songs. She makes me think while I'm laughing out loud. She can tell a damn fine story and she also is very emotional, but her greatest strength is her sense of humor. HAPPY: She's EMOTIONAL. She's poured out her inner struggles into songs with an honesty and intensity that made me cry and shake my head in awe even before I knew who she was or anything about her past. Emotionally I am closest to Happy's lyrics because I have gone through a lot of the same things she has. Different situations, of course, but I've felt many of the same feelings she writes about. Her songs may be autobiographical, but human emotions are universal and anyone who has ever been depressed or suicidal or confused about life will be able to empithize with her words. She can tell stories and she can be whimsical, but her greatest strength is emotional honesty and insight. That's just a bare outline of why I love these women and the music they make. I'm glad they were able to record their music and, in various ways, get that music out into the world where I could find it. I feel privileged. Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us "Don't think it over, it always takes you over. And sets your spirit dancing" Kate Bush "I can't stop laughing but I feel somehow that everything is alright" Jane Siberry "I am transparent, an open book. There's no choice in the matter. But the breath from my mind is living air. The notes from my heart are what I share" Happy Rhodes ************************************************************************** There you have 'em! All 6000 words! Lord, can Vickie write when I'm away... Chris Williams of Chris'n'Vickie of Chicago katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 22-Jul-91 20:38:48-GMT,862;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA15424; Mon, 22 Jul 91 16:38:20 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA00484; Mon, 22 Jul 91 16:38:13 EDT Message-Id: <9107222038.AA00484@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: titles Date: Mon, 22 Jul 91 16:38:12 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu I have a feeling that Happy (and maybe Vickie) can answer these, but I figured I'd go ahead and ask here anyway. Does anybody have any ideas what inspired or brought about the titles to either "Box H.A.P." or "Project 499"? Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | 24-Jul-91 17:14:37-GMT,2793;000000000001 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17679; Wed, 24 Jul 91 13:13:55 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA03048; Wed, 24 Jul 91 19:10:53 +0200 From: Klaus Kluge Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 18:00:38 +0200 Message-Id: <9107241600.AA07047@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: some remarks ----- Jeff wrote: > I already told myself I wouldn't replace any of my 4 tapes until > they became available on CD. > > Oh well. I may have lost quality on "Ode" and "To Be E. Mortal" but at > least I still have "Would That I Could" sounding correct. Hearing tapes requires the same precautions like using software. Make a backup copy and use that instead of the original. I was glad that somebody mentioned that on gaffa before I got the tapes because my cars tape player just toasted a tape (yeah, summer has finally arrived), but it was a backup. ----- Vickie wrote: > Klaus, the first three tapes are really, really bad. I mean, just > too awful for words! Set your mind at ease :-) Thanks for the "kind" words. (Un)fortunately my tapes arrived much earlier than expected, so I don't need it anymore. Now I can join the chorus and write how good they are. Well, after a couple of days 'Rearmament' has become my favourite of the first three tapes, and I am close to extend that to the first four. 'Warpaint' is still my no. 1, but 'Ecto' and 'Rearmament' follow close. Unfortunately I am not so happy with the two volumes. Probably I need some more time for them. ----- Jessica & Vickie wrote about 'glug-glug' & 'heartbeats' > Chalk it up to not having quite the right synth sound. Those "glug-glugs" > are meant to be heartbeats. Those sounds put me off the song for the > longest time, becasue I felt the song deserved "real" heartbeats. > This is one that I would love to hear re-recorded. Although these sounds reminded me of a heartbeat I really like them as they are. But, I haven't read the lyrics yet, so maybe I'll find those 'glug-glug's inappropriate afterwards. I have found that I can understand most of the lyrics from 'Warpaint' by listening. Happys voice is much clearer on that record than on the other tapes where I hardly understand what the songs are about. It's about time that I read them as well. Bye, Klaus. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- He thought he was gonna die. But he didn't. | Klaus Kluge She thought she could never cope but she did. | kkluge@Materna.DE We thought it was all over. But it wasn't |---------------------- ...... it hadn't started yet. (KaTe) | (Unicornuus Marinus) 24-Jul-91 22:12:29-GMT,1198;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA05230; Wed, 24 Jul 91 18:12:04 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA09938; Wed, 24 Jul 91 18:11:57 EDT Message-Id: <9107242211.AA09938@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: some remarks In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 24 Jul 91 18:00:38 +0200 ." <9107241600.AA07047@elwood.Materna.DE> Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 18:11:56 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu >Make a >backup copy and use that instead of the original. Yes, that's all fine and well, but it assumes that you have a way of making a backup. For much software, you need a way around the protection scheme, even if you're making a legal archival copy. For tapes, you need the equipment to *make* copies. My tapedeck had recently died when I got my HR tapes, so my when-necessary method of attatching my walkman to my single- cassette tapedeck wouldn't work. Besides. Now I have an excuse to buy the CDs as soon as they are released! ;-) >Unfortunately I am not so happy with the two volumes. Probably I need some >more time for them. Yes. Simple as that. Jeff 25-Jul-91 5:52:50-GMT,1677;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04090; Thu, 25 Jul 91 01:52:31 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA11494; Thu, 25 Jul 91 01:26:28 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Wed, 24 Jul 91 23:07:29 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA11907; Wed, 24 Jul 91 23:07:27 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Wed, 24 Jul 91 22:43 CDT Message-Id: Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 22:43 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: making backups.... Yes, definitely make backups....I did excpet the backups have already worn through and sound like *beep*. So now I am listening to the real ones and am resigned to the fact that if they die I will be in serious trouble. Guess I should start thinking of ways to scam tape money out of the parental - uggh! CD's will be wonderful when they come (hope and pray, on my knees). Well I have half of VOl. 2 rxns done, but am in so much of a Rearmament thrall that I haven't been able to finish listening ot vol. 2 and write rxn at same time. Geez that made no sense. Anyway I promise to get those out for all you people (hahaha) waiting anxiously for my 2 cents worth. Kiri Vickie - great show....I could only listen to a bit but was it all God/Holy Ghost/Jesus songs?? I heard two Happy songs with a Kate in between right around 730P...really excellent I was singing and swaying along in the car on the way to class. -back to Siouxsie thrall now 26-Jul-91 6:48:16-GMT,2086;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03113; Fri, 26 Jul 91 02:47:57 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA06723; Fri, 26 Jul 91 02:15:40 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 25 Jul 91 23:48:12 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03620; Thu, 25 Jul 91 23:48:10 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Thu, 25 Jul 91 22:13 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 25 Jul 91 22:13 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Backups & questions/answers Vickie here. Kiri writes: > Yes, definitely make backups....I did excpet the backups have > already worn through and sound like *beep*. So now I am listening > to the real ones and am resigned to the fact that if they die I > will be in serious trouble. Guess I should start thinking of ways I've been through so many tapes in the past three years I've stopped keeping track. They can get worn very quickly. Woj, the Rhodes Vol. I I sent you was probably the 10th I've owned. I didn't wear those all out, I'd buy them and give them away. Listening, I've probably worn out 4 of them. The one you had woj, was in really bad shape. It got caught in my walkman and scrunched up a bit of I'll Let You Go (and on the b-side, Step Inside) plus just being faded from use. > Vickie - great show....I could only listen to a bit but was > it all God/Holy Ghost/Jesus songs?? I heard two Happy songs with > a Kate in between right around 730P...really excellent I was > singing and swaying along in the car on the way to class. Thanks! No, it wasn't all KT & HR. It was a "Suicide" show. You just happened to stumble into the section where I played "The Perfect Irony", "The Kick Inside" and "I Have A Heart" in a row. You have good timing! Klaus, I'd be interested in finding out the answers too. I'll ask her! Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 26-Jul-91 10:37:12-GMT,761;000000000001 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23569; Fri, 26 Jul 91 06:36:55 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20938; Fri, 26 Jul 91 06:36:49 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 06:36:49 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9107261036.AA20938@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Backups & questions/answers >Vickie here. >The one you had woj, was in really bad shape. It got >caught in my walkman and scrunched up a bit of I'll Let You Go (and >on the b-side, Step Inside) plus just being faded from use. funny, i never noticed it... :) awaiting five shiney new cassettes from a certain place in new york... woj 26-Jul-91 15:32:19-GMT,516;000000000001 Received: from mars.njit.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23053; Fri, 26 Jul 91 11:11:50 EDT Received: by mars.njit.edu (5.57/Ultrix2.4-C) id AA04116; Fri, 26 Jul 91 11:08:04 EDT Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 11:08:04 EDT From: dave@mars.njit.edu (Dave Michaels) Message-Id: <9107261508.AA04116@mars.njit.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu, jeff@sqa.dsg.ti.com Subject: Re: Jane and Happy The walking is my favorite Jane CD, listen to it a few more times, be paitient it will reward you well! d d 26-Jul-91 22:35:48-GMT,2016;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22552; Fri, 26 Jul 91 18:34:24 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA01257; Fri, 26 Jul 91 18:34:05 EDT Message-Id: <9107262234.AA01257@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Jane Siberry Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 18:34:03 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu Yeah, yeah, I know, this is the Happy mailing list, but since Jane seems to be a bit of a current topic, I thought I'd throw in my 2 cents. I have _No Borders Here_ (which I bought at the beginning of last summer) and _Bound by the Beauty_ which I bought at the end of the last summer. It is, perhaps, significant that I haven't bought any more Jane in the last year. Both albums have songs I absolutely love. On the other hand, they have songs that simply don't seem all the strong to me. F'rinstance, on NBH, I've never been that crazy about "Symmetry" or the song after it (you know, the one before "Mimi On the Beach" (which is one of the best songs ever recorded)). See? One track left me unimpressed enough that I'm not even sure what it is (though I suspect it's "Follow Me"). The song following it is simply not to be missed. A lot of people have said that Jane is "weird for weirdness' sake." I have a feeling that these are the people who say the same thing about Laurie Anderson. I think Jane's weirdness is valid, truthful, or whatever you want to call it, and necessary. And often brilliant. And she has a neat voice...;-) (Hmmm. Why is it that Map of the World Part I is another one of the best songs ever recorded, and Parts II and III (on later albums) have left me completely cold?) Never fear; I'll return to Happy in my next post... Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | 27-Jul-91 2:01:51-GMT,5662;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA15718; Fri, 26 Jul 91 22:01:25 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA05916; Fri, 26 Jul 91 21:23:36 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 26 Jul 91 18:26:52 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA19070; Fri, 26 Jul 91 18:26:50 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Fri, 26 Jul 91 16:01 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 91 16:01 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Jane-reel #1 Vickie here. Dave Michaels says: > The walking is my favorite Jane CD, listen to it a few more times, be > paitient it will reward you well! Jeff, what he said.... I have been wanting to write more about Jane, I just haven't had the time. Like Jessica, Dave says a lot in a few words (I could have said the same thing, but it would have taken me 2000+ words to say it :-) Basically what I found out (remember that we had 2 Jane albums around the house for months before I *really* caught on) is that Jane is very subversive. The simple stuff sounds fairly normal until you really start listening closely and tune in to all the unusual things she's doing. The weird stuff just sounds weird until you really start listening closely and tune in to all the normal things she's doing. The lyrics provide yet another layer of wonderful discoveries. Her voice is the one thing that I see people having most problems with. She does have a wide range, but not anything like Kate & Happy. She doesn't really have a low ballsy voice, so most everthing is mid to upper range. I can understand if that's a problem, but you might get used to it. I don't know if The Walking was a bad first choice. It is much darker and more introspective and less humorous than her other albums. I do love them all, but TW is my favorite because she packed it with all kind of hidden tidbits that I so love. Some of the songs are just downright obscure (lyrically) and I'm not one to go digging too much or else it would just drive me crazy, but when things have become clear I found I appreciated songs more. For instance, in the song "Red High Heels" I realized one day that the song is about a woman who has just broken up with her paramour and she goes out to get drunk. She's walking home in the snow, not having very much luck, being drunk and wearing high heels. She's thinking random thoughts, some silly, some deep, some painful. She finally decides to just lay down and you assume that she dies. Brrrrr! The song "The White Tent The Raft" was completely obscure until Chris figured out that it's about her grandparents. Many of the lines (not all though) make more sense to me now. We believe that "Lena Is A White Table" is about an autistic child, but that's just a guess. There are at least two characters in the song, talking to a thrid. The "transparent" lyrics (un-sung but included) used to confuse the hell out of me, until I realized that they're just a continuation of the storyline, in bits and pieces. Behind-the-scenes, so to speak. I haven't the faintest idea what "The Bird In The Gravel" is, other than just a day in the life of a lot of characters who work for the landowner. I didn't understand "Ingrid and the Footman" until I saw the video, which makes it clear that Ingrid is questioning being just an extention of her lover the footman. During the lines the footman sings"...let me be your mainman...cowboy" a thought balloon pops on over Ingrid's head saying "main woman?" "cowgirl?" etc. She doesn't want to be a female version of whatever he is, so she decides "...then I'll be the indian". This all probably sounds very silly to those who haven't heard the music or the inflections she gives her character's voices, but it really does make sense in context of the entire song and all the lyrics. The song (and the video) is a lot of fun too, yet the song's meaning is serious. Still, it's the only uh..."fun" song on TW. Other albums have much more humourous songs on them, though those songs too have meanings that are serious. Well, most of the time. I don't know about "Marco Polo". It's sung from the point of view of Marco's (yes, THAT Marco) bimbo girlfriend who doesn't care about his lofty travels, just so long as he brings her back pretty and frivolous things. It's silly and very funny. "The last place you wrote from was Constantinople. Well, I am not impressed Marco, I've been around...I'm dying for dresses and I've run out of perfume and I'm pining for a wine that is halfway decent" Anyway, Jane's lyrics are very often written in a stream-of-conciousness way, and she often has more than one character talking and she often changes the point of view so it can get a bit confusing. If you like her enough, and want to, she's a lot of fun and very interesting to "work out" what's going on. Well, I should quit now, but, needless to say, I think Jane's fascinating and definitely not a Kate wanna-be in any way. Whenever someone says that they listened to Jane and didn't really like or appreciate it, I always remember how long it took for me and I can't help but hope that her magic will hit them at some point too. Just going from my own experience, if Chris hadn't liked her so much and kept on playing her music and collecting things, I probably would have filed her away and not given her any more chances. I shudder at the thought! End Jane-reel #1...:-) Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 27-Jul-91 22:16:50-GMT,1138;000000000001 Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA13893; Sat, 27 Jul 91 18:16:19 EDT Received: from greylady.uoregon.edu by phloem.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-05/01/91) id AA01944; Sat, 27 Jul 91 15:16:09 PDT Received: by greylady.uoregon.edu (5.60/SMI-4.0.1.2(JQJ)) id AA00219; Sat, 27 Jul 91 15:14:14 PDT Date: Sat, 27 Jul 91 15:14:14 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Message-Id: <9107272214.AA00219@greylady.uoregon.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu, siberry@bfmny0.bfm.com In-Reply-To: Subject: Jane-reel #1 Hmm, perhaps we should start cross-posting this to the Jane Siberry mailing list and see if it still works . . . What album is this song "Marco Polo" on? Is it also on the Canadian release of _The Walking_ that has a longer "Ingrid and the Footman" and "The Walking"? If so, now I'm *really* going to go on a quest for it. _The Walking_ is probably my favorite Jane album, and oddly enough the first one I bought. _The Walking_ is to Jane Siberry like _The Dreaming_ is to Kate Bush. (Do I have to add "IMHO" to that?) 27-Jul-91 22:27:25-GMT,1177;000000000011 Received: from remus.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14271; Sat, 27 Jul 91 18:27:21 EDT Received: by remus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08489; Sat, 27 Jul 91 18:27:19 EDT Date: Sat, 27 Jul 91 18:27:19 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Message-Id: <9107272227.AA08489@remus.rutgers.edu> Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: oops... ...sent this to geg orignially. meant to send it to the list. woj ----- >From woj Sat Jul 27 18:25:29 1991 Organization: fegmaniax anonymous, inc. To: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: Jane-reel #1 "marco polo" is on the first self-titled album of jane's. yes, it's true that the canadian version of _the walking_ is longer thatn the american version - i found that out one night when i got the canadian one from a friend and was urprised to discover a whole first verse in "ingrid" that doesn't exist in the american version. yes, _the walking_ is in many ways similar to _the dreaming_: diffi- cult albums to assimilate and not either of the artists' better sel- lers. woj@greg.bossert's.basement.wondering.what.happened.to.jessica 28-Jul-91 3:21:44-GMT,1151;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11704; Sat, 27 Jul 91 23:21:28 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA04845; Sat, 27 Jul 91 23:21:13 EDT Message-Id: <9107280321.AA04845@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: WHOA!!! WEIRD! Date: Sat, 27 Jul 91 23:21:13 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu My younger sister just spent the last month on a bus-tour-for-teens sort of thing, cruising around the West. One of the things she mentioned was that one of the adults helping run the trip was a Happy Rhodes fan! Unfortunately she couldn't tell me things like where he was from, or anything else interesting, but I still thought it was pretty wild. I mean, let's be honest: how many of you have ever just bumped into an HR fan? Jeff (who was true to his promise and made his next Ecto posting about Happy) |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | 28-Jul-91 13:02:34-GMT,1781;000000000011 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA05257; Sun, 28 Jul 91 09:01:35 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA03230; Sun, 28 Jul 91 14:58:33 +0200 From: Klaus Kluge Date: Sun, 28 Jul 91 15:00:40 +0200 Message-Id: <9107281300.AA21879@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: gotcha Hiya, just a short note before I go to munich for some days (hopefully not weeks) because I can tell you that chances are good that there's another Happy fan to come. During the last days I had been playing the tapes in the office, trying to catch some attention. I usually don't play music at work but the boss is on holiday so it should cause no problems (do you have the same proverb: "when the cat's out of the house the mice are dancing on the table"). Well, Michael is a KaTe fan since '78 and I've already surprised him with the B-sides of TWW. So he came in and asked from which new KaTe albums these songs were. Gotcha! He just could not believe that samebody else could sing so similar to KaTe. Although I 'warned' him that Happy is also singing in a much lower voice it didn't matter, as he also likes Annie Lennox and Joan Armatrading (Hi Vickie, I was surprised not to find JA in any of your lists (too traditional?)). So I prepared a tape with the selection Angelos did (well done that man), and I am quite sure that I have to order some tapes/CD for him. Lets see if I can get him to join 'ecto' as well. About Jane: hopefully I'll get my first CD by JS in the next weeks (recommendations in gaffa and ecto have some effect). Bye, Klaus "hoping to be back soon" Kluge 29-Jul-91 6:42:49-GMT,2153;000000000011 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06973; Mon, 29 Jul 91 02:41:06 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA06894; Sun, 28 Jul 91 21:21:09 EDT Message-Id: <9107290121.AA06894@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: "Baby Don't Go" Date: Sun, 28 Jul 91 21:21:08 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu I've been trying to figure out this song, and I can't. It's one of my favorite Happy songs, and the verses have a fair amount of personal signifcance (hence the inclusion in my .sig!), but I can't manage to link the lyrics to the verses with the lyrics to the chorus. The song begins with the powerful lines "Wake and arise/defiant one/time for you to/be who you are." This makes me think of a giant monster, for which the chorus would be understandable in the sense of "baby don't go, stay and protect me." And yet the same person who is begging for this protection is the one invoking the appearance of the "defiant one." The verse quoted in my .sig makes just as little sense to me in the context of the song. The verse seems to be forwarding a sense of individuality and strength, yet, again, it is followed by the chorus. Oooh! Writing all this out has given me an interesting interpretation that might make a bit of sense: Suppose the song isn't Happy singing to Kevin (or however you want to explain the relationship between the main character and the one to whom she is singing), but rather an exchange taking place within the singer's mind? Perhaps the suicidal subject of "I Have A Heart" singing to the part of her mind who *does* want to stay alive! In this interpretation, the "defiant one" would in fact be the "baby" of the chorus, showing up and stopping the singing "character" from killing herself! Gack. I feel like I'm writing a paper for an english class. Any comments? Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | 29-Jul-91 10:36:37-GMT,1083;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28697; Mon, 29 Jul 91 06:34:55 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA07322; Mon, 29 Jul 91 06:16:37 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Sun, 28 Jul 91 16:24:21 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA09798; Sun, 28 Jul 91 16:24:20 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Sun, 28 Jul 91 15:57 CDT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 28 Jul 91 15:57 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Dreams Are The last thing Happy whispers in Dreams Are (unless my imagination is playing tricks on me) seems to be 'you cannot be stoned' or something like that. I don't have the lyrics sheet in front of me to verify or not but that's what I think. What do you all think?? Nice to talk to everybody at Katemas parties, hope y'all had fun!!! Kiri hargie@chinet.chi.il.us 29-Jul-91 12:56:44-GMT,821;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03045; Mon, 29 Jul 91 08:55:09 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA07639; Mon, 29 Jul 91 08:08:19 EDT Message-Id: <9107291208.AA07639@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Dreams Are In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 28 Jul 91 15:57 CDT ." Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 08:08:18 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu >The last thing Happy whispers in Dreams Are... > (unless my imagination is playing tricks on me) It is...;-) >...seems to be 'you cannot be stoned' or something like that. "My dreams are my reality." "I don't believe you. It can't be so." I think you'll find this makes a little more sense...:-) Jeff 29-Jul-91 16:58:15-GMT,1765;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00961; Mon, 29 Jul 91 12:57:34 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16115; Mon, 29 Jul 91 12:57:30 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 12:57:29 EDT From: jessica To: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (woj) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: oops... In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 27 Jul 91 18:27:19 EDT Message-Id: woj wrote: woj@greg.bossert's.basement.wondering.what.happened.to.jessica Don't worry, i ended up getting there in the end. I won't go into details, but it cost a lot (and i don't mean monetarily) for me to go, but it was worth it!!!!! Details probably aren't appropriate for this group - suffice it to say the everyone was wonderful, greg has the *neatest* stuff, the food and beer were great, i saw lots of things i'd never seen before, neat neat neat. And we played some of Happy's music for people in the masement, and just about everyone who hadn't heard it before responded with "what's the address? I need to order all of it.." It was great :) Rob(woj) had a great idea - he plays drums, greg plays guitar, i sing - we should play/sing with happy!! happy can play acoustic guitar and keyboards, and kevin can play keybaords... (and i'm pretty sure they already have a bass player?) Well, it is a nice dream :):) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 29-Jul-91 17:12:07-GMT,1018;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02739; Mon, 29 Jul 91 13:11:32 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16613; Mon, 29 Jul 91 13:11:15 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 13:11:12 EDT From: jessica To: Klaus Kluge Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: gotcha In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 28 Jul 91 15:00:40 +0200 Message-Id: klaus asks: (do you have the same proverb: "when the cat's out of the house the mice are dancing on the table"). Yup! only it just say "when the cat's away, the mouse will play". :) jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 29-Jul-91 17:26:39-GMT,1648;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04385; Mon, 29 Jul 91 13:26:08 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17029; Mon, 29 Jul 91 13:24:34 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 13:24:30 EDT From: jessica To: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: "Baby Don't Go" In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 28 Jul 91 21:21:08 -0400 Message-Id: I like the idea that in the song "baby don't go" there are two side speaking to each other - even from the overal sound of each part, i get the feeling that it's two seperate "characters" (be they seperate people or two opposing views withing the same person). it could be one person, saying to herself "be strong, don't need anyone else's help" and then breaking down and saying "I can't, plase, stay and help me". I tihnk i can relate well to that feeling, so this is the interpretation that makes most sense to me - i have a tendency to insist on being independant, on being able to be strong, confident, my own individual person. Yet occasionally i break down and feel very needy... and when i start feeling that way, the voices are there in my head telling me to be strong.. "that i can do it myself".. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 29-Jul-91 18:44:29-GMT,825;000000000005 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12424; Mon, 29 Jul 91 14:44:10 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA23626; Mon, 29 Jul 91 14:43:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 14:43:59 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107291843.AA23626@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: the H. ?. Rhodes Band (does Happy have a middle initial?) jessica says: >Rob(woj) had a great idea - he plays drums, greg plays guitar, i sing >- we should play/sing with happy!! happy can play acoustic guitar and >keyboards, and kevin can play keybaords... (and i'm pretty sure they >already have a bass player?) > >Well, it is a nice dream :):) Ooh, my dreams are my reality... 8-} footah! -greg (who lives for a chance to play e-bow guitar in concert...) 29-Jul-91 20:15:57-GMT,1856;000000000001 Received: from rutvm1.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24308; Mon, 29 Jul 91 16:15:26 EDT Message-Id: <9107292015.AA24308@aramis.rutgers.edu> Received: from RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU by RutVM1.Rutgers.Edu (IBM VM SMTP R1.2.1MX) with BSMTP id 5786; Mon, 29 Jul 91 16:15:59 EDT Received: from UICVM by RUTVM1.RUTGERS.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6796; Mon, 29 Jul 91 16:15:58 EDT Received: by UICVM (Mailer R2.07) id 8648; Mon, 29 Jul 91 15:15:06 CDT Date: 29 July 1991 15:05:52 CDT From: To: Subject: A couple of bits of business The following are excerpts from a note I sent to Vickie last week. I am now sharing the first item with everyone at her suggestion, and the second item at nobody's suggestion but my own. ^^^^^^ Submissions for the questions-for-Happy project: Was the fully-named Happy Tyler Rhodes, perchance, named in honor of Happy Hotpoint, the elf char- acter in the Hotpoint appliance commercials of the Fifties, which happened to be Mary Tyler Moore's first significant role on television? In the alternate, might she have been named for Happy Rockefeller, the first lady of New York State in the Sixties? (Only in Albany, methinks, could a baby girl run such a risk :-).) ^^^^^ In the tradition of Blackgirls, _Happy_, and Victoria Williams, _Happy Come Home_, another supplement for the H.R. discography: "A Happy Song," by Michael Flanders and Donald Swann, from their album _At The Drop of a Hat_. ^^^^^ (A footnote: The July 27 _TV Guide_ carries an interview with Mary Tyler Moore, in which she has more to say about Happy Hotpoint.) Mitch Pravatiner BITNET U15289 at UICVM INTERNET U15289 at UICVM.UIC.EDU 29-Jul-91 21:26:00-GMT,1128;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03535; Mon, 29 Jul 91 17:25:37 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02557; Mon, 29 Jul 91 17:25:20 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 17:25:17 EDT From: jessica To: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: the H. ?. Rhodes Band In-Reply-To: Your message of Mon, 29 Jul 91 14:43:59 -0400 Message-Id: greg asks: (does Happy have a middle initial?) becasue he wounders what the completion of "the H. ?. Rhodes Band" would be *grin* i tihnk it just got answered in a message, but it wasn't as a direct answer to this. Her middle name is Tyler. :) so it'd be the H.T. Rhodes Band. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 30-Jul-91 3:11:34-GMT,4060;000000000011 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12967; Mon, 29 Jul 91 23:11:06 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA21551; Mon, 29 Jul 91 22:15:34 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Mon, 29 Jul 91 20:28:02 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA03467; Mon, 29 Jul 91 18:01:12 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Mon, 29 Jul 91 14:04 CDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 14:04 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Re: oops... Hey i play violin, viola, keyboards, bass guitar, and guitar if we can't play for Happy (hahaha wishful thinking) we could always start up a band....and we could always come up with some original name...say Ecto perhaps?? :) NoT! One can always hope though. Here's the first bit of rxns to vol. II: Ok >Finally< here are my impressions of Vol. II after I finally took it out of the car where it's been for the past month. I tried to listen along with the lyrics unlike the Vol. I impressions. Hopefully these will make a little more sense than the last batch for that reason, and cause im using an editor to prepare this first. VOl. II Come Here: Let's all waltz around the room to this one. A mischievous song portreying the wish of someone obviously in love who only wants perfection and to know that special other a little better. If you look in I will understand, and know who you are, and you will know me too. This is the secret song of a lover telling secrets to their significant other. I can just see Happy dancing around the room to this song with an intent, mischievous loving emotion in her eyes motioning to Kevin silently....come over here and i can show you something you'll really enjoy.....You - come here! The Revelation: "There is only moon" Yes! This song makes me go ewww ahhhh. I think it could touch anyone who enjoyed their childhood, and wishes they were young again. It's a look at the little things, but in such marvelous detail. It's also a realization that the idea that the world revolves around us when we are young isn't real except to the point where the world/society etc. effects us directly. And, when a person is in love "the only reality is you and me." Many Nights: Another slow dancable song. Brooding but punctuated by bits of lightness. Low low low voices but it makes the song really kind of, kind of, kind of hmmm wild i guess. She seems to be questioning her worth again, wondering if what she is - her oddity - is something that the normal everyday person (whomever that may be) "can love." Under and Over: I really love this song. The lyrics are somewhat depressing in a way because they emit a kind of hopeless despair. Really listening to Happy's music makes me think she must strongly shun dictated societal norms. This song shows that in a fashion. It shows the ever-changing things that surround us - that life is fleeting - whizzing by - and to enjoy it you must live today and every other day like what you love most might not be there tomorrow. Let Me Know Love: Dark, flowing, mystical keyboards. Another song a depressed song could listen to wrapped up in bed in a dark room clinging to their pillow. This song displays the idea that self-doubt and low self-esteem shades and eventually crushes/betrays your own emotions. The outer you reflects a shadow, the soul is in chaos and you yearn for peace. An inner peace reflects the love on the outside. Well just my thoughts...finally....more will follow shortly. Kiri hargie@chinet.chi.il.us ------------------------------------- first im going to find a forest and stand there in the trees and kiss the fragrant forest floor and lie down in the leaves and listen to the birds sing the sweetest sound you'll ever hear --- earth mother jane -------------------------------------- 30-Jul-91 3:40:06-GMT,796;000000000001 Received: from omnigate.clarkson.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA15384; Mon, 29 Jul 91 23:39:58 EDT Received: from clutx.clarkson.edu by omnigate.clarkson.edu id aa07432; 29 Jul 91 23:39 EDT Received: by clutx.clarkson.edu (5.54/5.17) id AA21343; Mon, 29 Jul 91 23:39:22 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 91 23:39:22 EDT From: "Kirstin A. Hargie" Message-Id: <9107300339.AA21343@clutx.clarkson.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu I finally printed out the lyrics to all the albums...after ages and ages of them sitting min this old beast...SO...I should have the reactions coming out faster now. AND I won't have to ask silly lyric questions......thanks jeff for the prompt reply! Sayo kiri hargie@chinet.chi.il.us hargieka@clutx.clarkson.edu