Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #992 ecto, Number 992 Sunday, 30 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* She'll be here, but she'll be ecto Miscellaneous Canadian Goddess stuff Temporary unsibscribe a kate question on ecto Sarah M tour schedule - REVISED [fwd from Nettwerk] Squirrel parachuting ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 30 Jan 94 4:17:54 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: She'll be here, but she'll be ecto Jessica's back! Yay! > Well. I have finally caught up with my ecto duties! > My apologies for those of you who thought ecto had > dissappeared! It was nothing of the sort, and i'm > *anything* but losing interest in this list! I'm so glad to hear this. I think some of us have been getting a bit worried about the list. Thank you for saying this Jessica, because I know that it makes me feel better. > Things started getting backed up (with ecto, not to > mention work, of course) while i was in san francisco > for USENIX. I understand completely. > Life has been .. mm.. interesting, hectic, amazing; > enough this past week that i've been back, that it's > been all i could do to try to get caught up with work. *HUG* > now i've finally caught up with ecto too. Welcome, to the > 10 or so new people.. I hope you enjoy this list. It's > a special place. Yes, it definitely is! Welcomes to everybody new and re-subscribed! > Now, to sum up what happened at USENIX: I met the moderator > of the list from which ecto was born (gaffa/love-hounds), > Bill Wisner. If this is what happens when mailing list > moderators get together, all you fellow mailing list moderators > should get out there in the world and meet some others! :-) I don't know....rec.music.gaffa went down...ecto digests disappeared....earthquakes in California...cyclones in Australia... lordy knows what would happen if Jessica(ecto), Bill(love-hounds), AnthonyK(rdt), AnthonyB(fte), AnthonyH(margot) and some of the others got together at one time! I think the universe as we know it would cease to exist! :-) > To put it mildly, we got along very very well. It took us > both by surprise. hehe. Actually at first, we didn't realise > who we each were. I said "hmm, your name sounds vaguely familiar." > he said "so does yours...". I asked what kind of music he liked... > thinking something in my mind was pointing in a music-direction. > He said "well, I run love-hounds", and i said "ah. well, I > run ecto". "Ah." he said. and that was the beginning of it all. > > now, in the rest of my life. 0h wait. that *is* the rest of > my life. > > *smile* Gee whiz! I wanna hear more! > But an update for those of you who've been following my > situation. The last we'd heard, the psychiatrist had increased > the dosage of prozac from 20mg to 40mg per day. I was, after > a very hard few days, beginning to feel a lot better about > everything, much clearer and more confident. Before I left for > san francisco, I started down the track of dealing with the very thing that has been the core of my problems for the last > several years. It felt *very* good. for the first time, maybe > in my entire life (!!!) i felt in *control* of my own life. > > Since i've been back, i've been continuing down that path. it's > hard, it's scary, it hurts, but it's *wonderful* to know that > at the end of it all is *me*. I like what's going on in my life > right now, even if it is very difficult. it's a whole lot better > than the last few years, which have also been difficult, but > not nearly so positive. *HUG*HUG*HUG* > I'll be automating more aspects of ecto in the next few days. > Don't worry, I won't be becoming any less personally involved, > I'll just make sure the list keeps up more regularly even when > I've gotten very busy.. "Hello, I know that you've been feeling tired...I(we) bring you love and deeper understanding...I'd hate to lose you" As important as ecto is to many people (I *know* how important it is to me) the main person you need to take care of is yourself. I'm glad you hear that you're automating a bit, because it will take some of the load off your shoulders. At the same time, I'm happy to hear that you'll still be personally involved. We couldn't do without our Ecto Goddess Lady! > jessica One more, for good measure... *HUG* Vickie ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Miscellaneous Canadian Goddess stuff Date: Sun, 30 Jan 1994 01:45:16 -0800 (PST) Hi, all! (welcome, back, Jessica!) Well, a couple of random things here... this week's Georgia Straight (Vancouver's free weekly entertainment rag) has a fairly interesting article/piece/part-interview with Jane Siberry that I could type up and post if people are interested. She talks at great length about the spiritual/erotic nature of _My Life as a Boy_ and working with Brian Eno and so on. There's also an ad for an upcoming Sarah McLachlan concert at Western Washington University in Bellevue, Washington, for all American PNW ectophiles. (Neile? Jim? :) The date is February 23rd. I also caught a new Sarah video on MuchMusic while I was flipping channels as my noodles cooked... it was pleasant enough but not particularly striking. They followed it up with "Running Up That Hill." - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 30 Jan 1994 23:26:50 +1200 From: sainty_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Subject: Temporary unsibscribe Hi everyone! A couple of things... Firstly I have just sent off (at long last) a copy of the first bunch of Maori legends I typed in to those that were interested (Neal, Holly, Kiri, Erik, and Diane) If anyone else is interested please let me know. However I won't be able to send them for a wee bit because... Secondly, I will be spending the next two weeks in Auckland as Jane is playing a single New Zealand concert (or is it 'not a concert'?) there on the 14th, and I can get a free ride up on the 1st and stay with my Grandmother while I'm there... I would love to stay on the list during that time, but experience tells me that two weeks of ecto will be very difficult to catch up! Mail will of course still reach me at this address over that time, but I won't get a chance to see it until I return... *HUGS* to you all :) Yours, Philip ======================================================================== From: ezust@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 1994 11:07:59 -0500 Subject: a kate question on ecto I was just listening to Kashka From Baghdad, the reason being that I just met someone who's name is Kashka, and this person happens to be MALE!! And considering I've never met a female with that name, I decided to listen to the song and see if the character was female or male. Well, there are no gender-specific pronouns to describe Kashka, but he/she does "live with *ANOTHER* man" which could mean that Kashka is a man himself... The reason I don't post to gaffa is because I've never posted a question to gaffa that wasn't a FAQ, and I don't read the group anyway. Any kate-fans here care to enlighten me? -- | Alan Ezust ezust@{binkley.}cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| "Recursion is a lot like recursion, only a little simpler." ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 30 Jan 94 12:23:16 EST From: justin@campion.crim.ca (Justin Bur) Subject: Sarah M tour schedule - REVISED [fwd from Nettwerk] [Since this is rather different from the version I posted a while ago, here it is. To receive Nettwerk e-mailings, write to the address below and ask to be added to the list. --justin] ---- Date: Thu, 27 Jan 94 14:07 PST Subject: nettwerk news 94001 From: Nettwerk@mindlink.bc.ca (Nettwerk) [...] sarah's schedule for '94 i have here in my little hands sarah's tour itinerary for the first half of 1994. remember the dates that i sent out last month? well, chuck 'em. everything has changed. us west coasters are going to have to wait until the end of the tour now. please keep in mind that all this is subject to change and that nothing is ever final until the day after the show. Feb 23 Bellingham, WA Western Washington University Feb 26 Las Vegas Huntridge Theatre Feb 28 Phoenix Red River Opray Mar 1 Albuquerque El Rey Theatre Mar 2 Denver Ogden Theatre Mar 5 Austin Back Yard Mar 6 Houston Rockerfellers West Mar 8 New Orleans McAllister Mar 10 Gainesville, FL Florida Theatre Mar 11 West Palm Beach Carefree Theatre Mar 12 Tampa Ritz Theatre Mar 14 Atlanta Variety Arts Space Mar 19 Washington, DC Gaston Mar 22 Philadelphia Keswick Mar 24 Hartford Lincoln Centre Mar 25 New York City Town Hall Mar 28 Boston Summerville Theatre Mar 30 Ottawa Centre Point Apr 1 Kingston Grant Hall Apr 10 Montreal Olympia Apr 12 Lindsay/Peterborough Academy Theatre Apr 13 Toronto Convocation Hall Apr 14 Toronto Convocation Hall Apr 18 Kitchener Centre in the Square Apr 20 Westchester, NY Perfoming Arts Centre Apr 21 Rochester Harro Street Theatre Apr 22 Buffalo Riveiar Theatre Apr 23 Cleveland Agora Theatre Apr 26 Columbus Newport Music Hall Apr 27 Detroit Apr 30 Chicago Vic Theatre May 2 St. Louis The Sheldon May 4 Madison Barrymore Theatre May 6 Minneapolis Gutherie Theatre May 8 Winnipeg Playhouse Theatre May 9 Regina Centre of the Arts May 10 Saskatoon Centennial Hall May 12 Banff Eric Harvey May 15 Edmonton May 16 Calgary May 18 Victoria Royal Theatre May 20 Vancouver Orpheum Theatre also to be scheduled at the end of may: sacramento, los angeles, san francisco, portland, and seattle. there are other dates to be added as you see there are a few holes left open in the schedule. so if your city isn't mentioned, hang in there before you flame me. there are more dates to be announced. fumbling towards ecstasy has now gone platinum in canada and is set for u.s. release on february 15. and sarah's video for "possession" is still in the muchmusic top 20, almost four months after it was released. also...a video for "hold on" has been recently shot in vancouver along with a u.s. version of the possession video, which promises to be much different than the canadian version. don't expect to see it in canada, though. a big thank you to all from sarah, her band, ginger, and everyone at nettwerk to everyone who went out to the canadian shows and made the tour such a success. [...] Lane, your almost caught up nettwerk email friend -- NETTWERK -An attitude, not a problem- nettwerk@mindlink.bc.ca, nettwerk@aol.com vancouver, canada, phone 604-654-2929, fax 604-654-1993, bbs 604-731-7007 bbs mail order 800-668-1321 ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 30 Jan 1994 13:37:35 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: a kate question on ecto On Sun, 30 Jan 1994, Alan Ezust wrote: > I was just listening to Kashka From Baghdad, the reason being that > I just met someone who's name is Kashka, and this person happens > to be MALE!! And considering I've never met a female with that name, > I decided to listen to the song and see if the character was female or > male. > > Well, there are no gender-specific pronouns to describe Kashka, > but he/she does "live with *ANOTHER* man" which could mean that > Kashka is a man himself... I think that says it pretty clearly. I always assumed it was two men. I have also read several articles about Kate that have mentioned the song _Kashka from Baghdad_ as being about two men. Ah, Kate is so enlightened. :-) Michael ======================================================================== From: kmorrey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kathleen Morrey) Subject: Re: a kate question on ecto Date: Sun, 30 Jan 1994 12:01:05 -0600 (CST) Hi there - Alan writes... > > I was just listening to Kashka From Baghdad, the reason being that > I just met someone who's name is Kashka, and this person happens > to be MALE!! And considering I've never met a female with that name, > I decided to listen to the song and see if the character was female or > male. > > Well, there are no gender-specific pronouns to describe Kashka, > but he/she does "live with *ANOTHER* man" which could mean that > Kashka is a man himself... Although I'm anything but an expert, I have _always_ listened to that song as if Kashka were a man. The *ANOTHER* part seems pretty definite, unless the singer were talking about another man than himself ;) But I don't think so. Kate's songs can often hit you with their meanings a long time after you've been listening to them, and it's surprising. For the longest time I thought that in "The Kick Inside" she was being figurative about "your sister I was born" - but I guess that's another story. :) Kath ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 05:56:49 +1100 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Squirrel parachuting Hi y'all! I'm busily discussing the merits of cookie transfer protocols over on #Ecto, where tonight started with drama and ended with silliness and fun, with Tim Cook battling the credit-card confiscating Chip and Holly and Philip discussing the relative merits of wasabi... hee. :-) I went and saw the Falling Joys on Friday night, a wonderful band whose current album "Aerial" is being ignored by the public in general and looks like it may not be released in the US and Canada by Nettwerk in the forseeable future, mainly because, I'm told, Nettwerk simply can't afford to release and promote it. That's a real shame. It's their best album yet. Anyway, they put in the best live set I have ever seen them do to an audience of about 200 die-hard fans. Their new sound engineer mixed in glistening stereo with special attention to the quality of the vocals, and the band had fun. If they ever come to a town near you, don't miss them. If you haven't heard the Joys, I'd describe them as a slightly more ethereal Tribe. Their first two albums are out on Nettwerk, but the new one's the one to get. Yum. Suzie Higgie says "hi Ectophiles"! :-) My interview with Jane Siberry was a hoot, great fun, but I'm going to have to torture you all and have you wait till tomorrow for a summary of it; it's 5.30am and I haven't got time to spool through the tape, something I have to do tomorrow anyway to write the feature. But I *will* tell you all about it tomorrow. And some of those questions will be answered! :) Hey, this just happened in an otherwise empty #Ecto on the back screen while I was typing this: *** dolphin (dolphin@vern.bga.com) has joined channel #ecto toriamos is to kate bush as the eagles are to jackson browne shes the Anti-Kate *** dolphin has left channel #ecto Hmmmm.... And I found this when I logged off my interactive account last: "To err is human, to moo bovine." One for Brian's .sig, I think!!!! :-) Now, for some replies... Meri says: > And the other night I listened to "Bells For Her" alone on headphones with > the lights off, concentrating on the lyrics and how they're sung. The song > will bring tears to your eyes... wow. Just... wow. That song brought tears to my eyes the first time I heard it, and at the time I was in the middle of writing a film review. I had to stop what I was doing and recover for a while. Then "Icicle" and the rest came on. I repeat, yet again, this is one amazing album. Jens (hiya!!) says: > Perhaps a list similar to Anthony's one-way Margot Smith list could be > created, mostly for announcements from AG. Of course, this would > require somebody (don't look at me! :-)) to set up the list and > forward messages (and perhaps also to forward selected postings from > Ecto)... Actually, my margot-list is no longer one-way. I found a ListServ package and couldn't resist going the whole way - and it's chugging along quite nicely now. With Anthony Baxter running the Sarah list now, though, poor Anthony Kosky's starting to feel the strain of Invasion Of The Mutant Mailing List Anthonys. :) > > 2) Ingrid Chavez, _May 19 1992_. $4 > > So that's what it's called! I thought is was "Magic 1992"! :-) Yep, that's its name, dated strangely almost a year after its actual 1991 release date. And for $4 it's a bargain! Anyone know if Ingrid's doing anything other than being Mrs Sylvian at the moment? I miss her voice. The most wondrous speaking voice next to Jane's, in fact. :) > I was waiting for a `du' scan of my smaller harddisk (it filled up > while I was installing a new version of `flex'); to pass the time I > started reading Old Ectos, and found this one from Anthony: > > > If news and mail articles were cats, I'd be in a new Alfred Hitchcock > > production in which a humble person's 120Mb hard disk is overrun by an > > invasion of felines all begging to have attention paid to them and to > > be fed, but.. hang on, this is the silliest analogy ever. > > > HARD DRIVE VACUUMING TIME > > Hmm... Hey, everyone gets tired!!! :^) > Yeah! Jihad! Roll the smokers in their own paper and burn them! > Kil.......Oh, sorry, not the right list... ;-) As they say on #Ecto, /me feels persecuted. :-) Neal remembers Catherine Wheels: > Wait, I remember, it was from the Simple Minds song, (Title or lyrics, I > don't remember which) Colors FLy and Catherine Wheel. I think it's on > New Gold Dream 81, 82, 83, 84. whatever. Yes, it is, and if *anyone* has the original German-pressed, green-labelled, UK/Australia/Europe CD release of this album and doesn't want it, I'll buy it off you. It has a slightly longer title track than subsequent versions, but more importantly, is mastered from the actual master tapes, unlike later editions. If you have this or think you might, mail me!!! :-) woj quotes me: > >And woj, were you mentioning > >you like the drum sound on this track? This is the trademark Eddie Rayner > >drum sound as heard on the Margot Smith album! :-) > > nope. the snares on _sleeping with the lion_ are nowhere near as crisp and > dry as the snares on _fumbling towards ecstacy_. The reason they're so dry is because they're mastered so damn loud :-) It's the same general sound, so nyaah! :-) > well, enough for now. 285 lines are probably enough. i wonder if anyone > actually bothered to read all this. I read *everything* in Ecto. It's a religion. :-) Meri again: > Yay, woj can see again for the first time in 4 years. The test will be if > he runs screaming from the room the first time he lays eyes on me and really > sees me... ;) :-) ROFL. > 4.) (Forgot to number 3) I saw the movie _Short Cuts_ last night. It's > Robert Altman's latest film, and it has to be the most brilliantly edited Due out in Australia "later this year". Blah. > Andie MacDowell, Lyle Lovett (?), Huey Lewis (?!?), Tom Waits (!!!), Jack Of course Huey Lewis can act. He's been pretending to be a musician all these years, hasn't he? :) > Lemmon, Tim Robbins, Lily Tomlin, Peter Gallagher, the woman who played > Frannie on _As The World Turns_ for eons (and no, I do NOT want you to ask ...How on *Earth* did you know that???? :) Ethan amongst a jumble of quotes: > > me> Who produced Chrome? I forget. > > > >That would be Gil Norton[1]...so I blame the band :) > > > >Ian. > > > >[1] off the top of my head: > >Tribe, _Abort_ * * two of my absolute favorite albums of the past few years! Wow, I never Actually, I'd attribute the sound of "Abort" more to Chris Sheldon, who co-produced the album as well as engineering it and mixing it. The album has his trademark sound to it, too... Mitch: > Happy Australia Day to ectophiles on both sides of the Equator. Thanks!! Neil (watch your mailbox, Neil, Margot approaches!) says: > So my housemate asked me if I could have a look at her answering > machine today. Apparently it's been acting in a very unruly fashion [...] > It looks like an ordinary answering machine, but looks can be > deceptive! This is an ordinary answering machine that has recorded the > words of *Goddesses*! My answering machine has recorded many goddesses so far, including Jane - I use its two-way record function to record all my phone interviews. :-) Paul Cohen enthuses: > Well, I've been listening to a few new things that Neile sent me. FTE is > truly as magnificent as everyone here has been saying. I _will_ buy it when > it is released here. The Margot Smith album is also quite nice. Glad to > get the chance to hear it and I'm probably gonna pick it up too. Give the Margot Smith album a bit of time, it creeps up on you... I like it more than FTE, still, but then that's me for you. (Which is not to say anything against FTE - it's sublime as well). Anyway, you know who to yell for, Paul, if you can't find one! :-) > Your tapes are a'coming. I've done Paul Kelly and LLoyd Cole so far. And FYI, Paul "another song about Melbourne" Kelly has a new single out here, called "Song From The Sixteenth Floor", and a new album is on the way. And with that, I'm off to contemplate the severe flaming I inexplicably received on rdt tonight, and to think how wonderful and fuzzy you all are. :) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "My ass is all over the southern hemisphere!" - Holly on #Ecto (Well, you dared me! :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 30 Jan 1994 13:13:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ectophiles Guide Subject: Re: Miscellaneous Canadian Goddess stuff > (welcome, back, Jessica!) Ditto!! > Well, a couple of random things here... this week's Georgia Straight > (Vancouver's free weekly entertainment rag) has a fairly interesting > article/piece/part-interview with Jane Siberry that I could type up > and post if people are interested. She talks at great length about the > spiritual/erotic nature of _My Life as a Boy_ and working with Brian > Eno and so on. Please please please? > There's also an ad for an upcoming Sarah McLachlan concert at Western > Washington University in Bellevue, Washington, for all American PNW > ectophiles. (Neile? Jim? :) The date is February 23rd. If only it were Bellvue (a half hour from here)--but it's Bellingham, which is two hours. We'll hold off until she makes it here, which will take a while, I know, but it will be worth it. --Neile ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Re: Miscellaneous Canadian Goddess stuff Date: Sun, 30 Jan 1994 13:31:19 -0800 (PST) > > There's also an ad for an upcoming Sarah McLachlan concert at Western > > Washington University in Bellevue, Washington, for all American PNW > > ectophiles. (Neile? Jim? :) The date is February 23rd. > > If only it were Bellvue (a half hour from here)--but it's Bellingham, which > is two hours. We'll hold off until she makes it here, which will take a > while, I know, but it will be worth it. Oops. :\ Heh. Okay... Bellingham, Bellevue... I *do* actually know the difference... not sure how I screwed that one up! Bellevue is the one near Seattle and Bellingham is the nearest largeish town to the Canadian border on the I-5. Right. Got it straight this time. :) (just checked my map for spelling and geography) As for the Jane thing, I'll post that next! - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)