Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #986 ecto, Number 986 Sunday, 30 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Catherine-wheel Help...is anyone there? Re: whatever became of .....? Re: Meryn Cadell Catherine-wheel Re: picasso/nilsson/soup/gong/etc Re: Innocence Mission Re: happy.. :) whatever became of .....The Ellen James Society? whatever became of .....The Ellen James Society? CALLING ALL COLUMBUS, OHIO ECTOPHILES sTuff Afterthought for the day For ecto dogs ectopics, etc... ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 19:34:40 EST From: halasz@caip.rutgers.edu (Hala'sz Sa'ndor) Subject: Catherine-wheel !From neal@ccrwest.org Mon Jan 24 19:27:47 1994 ! !Hala'sz Sa'ndor rebuts me: !> No, that is a "rose window". But there is a firework by that name !> ! !and so I turn to the Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of !the English Language (ok, it's what we had at work) which says ! !Catherine wheel, 1. Heraldry, a charge representing a spiked wheel used !as an instrument of torture. 2. See wheel window. 3. a kind of !firework that is ignited and revolves on a pin, making a wheel of fire !or sparks; pinwheel. Also, catherine wheel. [named after St. Catherine !of Alexandria, from wheel used to torture her.] ! !wheel window, a rose window having prominent radiating mullions. Also called !Catherine wheel, marigold window. Nevver heard of this meaning--nor the name "wheel-window". I guess "rose window" sounds nicest ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 19:26:59 -0500 (EST) From: ROBNPAM@delphi.com Subject: Help...is anyone there? I've been trying to resubscribe to Ecto and LoveHounds for over a week and am still not getting anything. Could some kind soul write me E-mail and reassure me that these lists still exist? :) Thanks, Pamela *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * Pamela Pociluk ROBNPAM@DELPHI.COM * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* * Tori Amos / Happy Rhodes / Kate Bush / King's X / Galactic Cowboys * * Marillion / Jellyfish / Dream Theater / Alice in Chains / Megadeth * *--------------------------------------------------------------------* ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 16:39:01 PST From: hanson@ast.saic.com (Jeffrey Hanson) Subject: Re: whatever became of .....? I've seen the Ellen James Society album and was always interested in hearing them. I love their name. For those of you who don't know its taken from John Irving's _The World According To Garp_ and it is a society of women who have cut of their tongues, to protest a rape of a young girl whose rapers cut off her tongue so she wouldn't be able to tell anyone. The girl who was raped then not only has to deal with the problems of being raped, but also has the guilt of these women who are mutilate themselves in her name. Anyway, I was always interested in hearing what they were like. Maybe I'll check it out if I ever see it again. Jeff Hanson ======================================================================== From: rhogan@chaph.usc.edu (Ron Hogan) Subject: Re: Meryn Cadell Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 16:48:19 -0800 (PST) Vickie writes: -> > And her Xmas letter '93 was so sweet :) -> Oooh, tell us about it! -> *HUG* I'm so glad you're ok! Well, I'm glad to be OK.... *grin* Basically, in the summer of 1992 I wrote Cadell a fan letter, telling her how much I enjoyed *Angel Food for Thought* and precisely why I thought it was great...mostly about performance art, and her incisive feminist positions, blah blah blah... Forgot all about it after a few months. Then, Christmas 1993 rolls around, and I get a long printed update of what she's been doing the last year or so, and interesting stuff about *bombazine* (like what the word means, for example) and her holiday plans. In addition, she handwrote a page thanking me for writing, and since I had told her about all the moving around that I did, she told me to send her an address (she sent it about two addresses back, to my grandparents' house, and they passed it along) and she'll let me know when she goes on tour in LA. Also found out that you can order T-shirts, which I promptly did. Oh, and the autographed photo. Cool beans. Ron ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 17:09:32 -0800 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Catherine-wheel I'm no expert on the subject, but i believe the name of the Catherine Wheel comes from the legend of Saint Catherine of Alexandria. A 4th Century martyr, she was tortured on a wheel and beheaded by Emperor Maxentius for her teachings. When God struck the spiked wheel and sent it off to Heaven in flames, the inspiration for the fireworks was born. ----- Michael Peskura -- University of Washington -- Seattle USA ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 23 Jan 94 19:59:18 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: picasso/nilsson/soup/gong/etc >DATE: Sun, 23 Jan 94 03:57:47 EST >FROM: brni > >>From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (world serve your own needs) >> >>anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) sez: >>>"Euphoria" - Insides >>>This is a strange one - on the Guernica label run by 4AD, this two-piece UK >>>band that used to be called Earwig do a kind of SylvianSakamotoesque mellow >>>instrumental thing with lots of sequenced instruments, >> >>haven't heard this yet, but it's on the list. were earwig a uk band? i >>thought they were from massachusetts for some vgue reason. >> >>also, for those who care, i found out where the heck ivo came up with >>the name guernica: it's a town in the basque country where an ancient >>oak tree thrived as the symbol of their legal system, a democracy that >>predated the magna carta. whoa. >> >"guernica" is also one of picasso's most famous paintings. >its pretty hideous. > Also, Guernica was one of the more memorable battles of the Spanish Civil War (a tryout for some of the Nazi's was machines before WWII). In particular, I *believe* it was the first appearance of the Stuka dive bomber up close and personal (it screamed as it dove in to attack, providing a tremendous psychological attack as well as its payload. >say goodnight, gracie... > Goodnight, gracie! Dennis Parslow Scene of the crime, body in the bed Troy, NY 12180 One victim died, one victim fled p00421@psilink.com Never got caught, but lost his reelection Too much sex, not enough affection Timbuk 3 "Too Much Sex, Not Enough Affection" _Eden Alley_ ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 23 Jan 94 19:55:01 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: Innocence Mission >DATE: Sun, 23 Jan 94 03:50:00 BST >FROM: p.cohen@genie.geis.com > > > Speaking of which, after 2 brilliant albums and a tour that I missed > > but heard wasn't quite as wonderful, what's the deal with IM? Anybody > > know? Are thing coming out with #3 soon? They *are* due. > >Personally, I felt the second album, "Umbrella" was somewhat less than >brilliant. Not bad, but the songs just don't have the lasting power of the >first album. I, too, would like to see a new album from them. Completely agreed on both counts. At the time of their first albums, I had them pegged as the same caliber as the Sunday's, but Blind was a far more interesting album than Umbrella. I also heard some John Hiatt album my roommate was playing, and looked up stunned! Karen Paris? I *know* that voice! Dennis Parslow Scene of the crime, body in the bed Troy, NY 12180 One victim died, one victim fled p00421@psilink.com Never got caught, but lost his reelection Too much sex, not enough affection Timbuk 3 "Too Much Sex, Not Enough Affection" _Eden Alley_ ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 20:44:05 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: happy.. :) Charles does it: > I am very happily getting into Rhodes 2 now.. I love "Under And Over The > Brink" and "Come Here"! At first I was kind of impatient with "Many > Nights" since it was just those same 4 lines sung over and over, but now I > like it quite a bit. "Beat it Out" sure takes getting used to though, it is > quite strange. Anyone care to enlighten me as to what that particular song > is about? Somehow I just knew that "Come Here" and "Under..." would capture your heart :-). I think only Happy knows the story behind "Beat It Out" but if you look at the cover of the CD, you should understand more. I asked her about it once and all she said was that it was an exersize, playing around with her low voice. The lyrics? I understand them, but I couldn't explain it. I think it's something that either "hits" you or doesn't. I can't answer any better than that, sorry. You had asked about why Happy uses so much suicide imagery, and SteveF answered you quite nicely, which is why I didn't say anything. I did want to mention that she often talks about suicide in a more subtle fashion too. "Under and Over the Brink" is a perfect example. "On the brink of complying" (on the brink of comitting suicide) comply, oblige (as in "The First To Cry) are ways Happy talks about suicide without actualy saying the word, though she does say it in other songs. > I am also getting used to Equipoise now.. I think my favorite song from it > at this point would be "Closer". This may still be my least loved of > Happy's albums though. But I do like it a lot! Does anyone else think that > the song "Runners" may be a bit too long and dragged out? It's funny, I used to think that, but now I think it's too short! Well, not really. It's just right, length-wise. Once I really got to know the song and paid attention to all the little fiddly bits, I found that all kinds of interesting things are going on in the last half of the song, so I really enjoy it. I can play it 2-3 times in a row even! You knew I was going to say something like that, didn't you? :-) But I wouldn't say I liked it if I really didn't. I do think that maybe the length hurt the song wrt airplay, but I'm glad she didn't cut it for the album. > I am curious to find out what Happy's next album will be like.. I for one > wouldn't mind some "back to basics" acoustic guitar songs.. She got a 12-string guitar for Christmas '92 and didn't use it on Equipoise, so we might hear it used on the next one. I hope! > Oh yes, and a song from Rhodes 1, "The First To Cry" has just become another > top favorite of mine... That song is really nice.. I agree! It's heart-rendingly sad, and so beautiful! > This may be none of my business, but I was wondering if Happy made enough > money from her music to live comfortably or does she do other kinds of work > as well? She doesn't make a profit on her music. From what I understand, all the money they get from the sale of the albums goes to pay off bank loans. Everything they do seems to be thanks to great credit. They'll take out a loan to do whatever (record an album, release the 1st4 on CD, make and send out the HR5 promos) then slowly pay the money back to be able to do the next big thing. Happy has had jobs in the past. When I "met" her (over the phone, in 1988) she was a waitress at an Italian restaurant. In 1989 she worked at a gift shop. Before Warpaint was released she worked at a housewares store ("Spatula City" we joked). She hasn't had a "real" job for quite a while as far as I know, but she's *not* living on her music. Not yet. Vickie "I see you almost every day. You sing the words that I might say" HTR ======================================================================== From: Jeremy Corry Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 21:01:40 -0500 Subject: whatever became of .....The Ellen James Society? Jeff Hanson writes: > I've seen the Ellen James Society album and was always interested in > hearing them. I love their name. For those of you who don't know its > taken from John Irving's _The World According To Garp_ and it is a society > of women who have cut of their tongues, to protest a rape of a young > girl whose rapers cut off her tongue so she wouldn't be able to tell anyone. > The girl who was raped then not only has to deal with the problems of > being raped, but also has the guilt of these women who are mutilate > themselves in her name. The Ellen James Society (the band) apparently received a letter from the Ellen James Society (the women) who politely indicated they preferred their name not be used in the music industry. To make a short story shorter... The Ellen James Society (the band) are now called The Clinch. That's all folks! --Me! The only unnatural sexual act is that which you cannot perform. - Alfred Kinsey ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 19:07 PST From: buck@satyr.sylvan.com (Michael Butler) Subject: whatever became of .....The Ellen James Society? Jeremy Corry writes: ... > The Ellen James Society (the band) apparently received a letter from the > Ellen James Society (the women) who politely indicated they preferred their > name not be used in the music industry. What? The Ellen James Society _exists_? Are you sure? Michael Butler ............................................................................... HELP! My BABIES are being MUTILATED by deadly thorn-bearing ASSAULT VEGETATION! buck@satyr.sylvan.com|I assume you understand that we have options on your time Independent Entity | And we'll ditch you in the harbor if we must. -- B. Eno ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 00:00 EST From: "Dr. Clayton Forester" Subject: CALLING ALL COLUMBUS, OHIO ECTOPHILES thanks to Vickie (the Ecto-Wonder-Fuzzy) for posting the Cocteau Twins tour dates!!!!!!! I'd like to see them in Columbus but being from Indiana I know nothing of the territory. Is there anyone out there who might be able to meet me somewhere and then go to the show? At least one of my friends has expressed interest in going with me. Help.? Thanks in advance!!!! Kevin Calm Down. It's Only Ones And Zeros. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ /_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_\ // \\ \\ / \/ \/ \ // // "We never say, / / >< \ \ * * * \\ \\ 'who's going to get this?' ! ! ! \ \ \ ! ! ! // // we always say, * * * \ \ >< / / \\ \\ 'the right people will get this.'" \ /\ /\ / // // \\ \\_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _// \_-_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_-_/ This Message Brought To You By The Network. "I wanted a Death that I'd like to meet, in the end. Someone who would care. Like her." ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 23:56:45 -0500 (EST) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: sTuff Hi! Champagne Jam lives! Once again, Sundays from 4-5:30 PM on WESU in Middletown CT, 88.1 FM, starting this Sunday, 1/30/94. I'll be able to post playlists again, finally. You're all psyched, I'm sure. :) Vickie, thanks for posting the Ani DiFranco tour dates. You should make an effort to check her out- I think you'd be into her. I think I'm going to go up to her show in Northampton- I'm sure it's going to be at the Iron Horse, since I think she's played there before. Meryn Cadell sounds well worth taking the time to write to. As soon as I get caught up on my snail-mail... which won't happen until I'm caught up on my e-mail... which means never. Sigh. :P I'm listening to a Dalbello tape woj loaned me- I think he got it from Neile? Anyway, I quite like it. And earlier I listened to the first part of the HGP 1993. Mike Peskura, THANK YOU for putting those Patti Smith tunes from _Dream Of Life_ on there! Reminded me that the next time I see that album on CD I *am* going to buy it, no matter what. The only copy of it I have is what I taped off the radio the night before it was released, and it immediately became one of my favorite albums ever. It's brilliant. It's one of the albums that defined my freshman year in college for me, along with _The Lion And The Cobra_ and _Life's Too Good_. Them's were the days! :) The rest of the HGP Part I is also wonderful. Next time, I am going to con- tribute, next time I am going to contribute, next time... Someone mentioned Hand To Mouth- I have heard of them, though I have no clue where. Probably somewhere in these pages. :) More information on them would be welcome in this corner, as well. Still haven't seen the Tori video, though I have a sinking feeling that it's playing on Alternative Nation *right this minute* and I'm missing it yet again. Sigh. And for the person who was wondering about Betty and what they're up to- there's a half-page squib on them two or so pages away from the thingie on Meryn Cadell in the current issue of _Out_ (which, I might also add, has a review of _Under The Pink_ that makes it only too obvious that the reviewr only had the sampler tape to go by). I never cease to be impressed by that magazine- especially since they bagged the practice of mailing issues out in plain brown envelopes. I always thought that was a bit hypocritical for a publication called _Out_, myself... Anyhow, the quality of the writing is good, they cover great music, and it's generally a lot of fun to read, whether you're gay, bi, straight, or whatever. It's way past my bedtime, y'all. As if that ever stopped me before. Meredith meth@delphi.com "I do know what *isn't* gospel, ... For God to say, "I put [my son] on earth to experience this life, and he can't soil his dinky with a babe?" No, ... he would *not* have done it." "There, was that one explicit enough?" - Tori Amos, Boston Phoenix interview ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 16:57:40 CST From: Subject: Afterthought for the day Ilka hebers: >Well, I can tell you for sure that I'll *never* go to New England or Nova >Scotia at this time of the year ever again!!! It was *freezing*!!!!! = ) Ilka, you simply picked the wrong week. Today, the high in Chicago is 40 degrees, give or take. I assume that the thaw will reach new England and Nova Scotia in a few days. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 16:50:11 CST From: Subject: For ecto dogs Before I was a cat person, I was a dog person. That's why I was delighted to find the following in folk_music, and am delighted to share it in these pages. Mitch ========================================================================= Reply-To: folk_music@nysernet.ORG Originator: folk_music@nysernet.org Sender: folk_music@nysernet.ORG Precedence: bulk From: Jeff Emery To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Dogstance & Little Gomez X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Folk Music Mailing List Sender: Jeff Emery Subject: Re: Dogstance & Little Gomez > > 1 On the fringes of last summer's Clearwater Revival, I heard a group >singing > a parody of "From a Distance" - "dogs are watching us, dogs are watching > us, etc.". Anyone know who they were ? > [...] I had "Dogstance" already typed up to send to someone quite awhile back. So, since it only involved up-loading it I've sent it along. [...] FROM A DOG'S STANCE Lyrics by Jay Mankita, to the tune of "From a Distance". FROM A DOG'S STANCE, THE WORLD'S A BOWL OF FOOD AND NO DOG IS IN NEED FROM A DOG'S STANCE, NO DOG'S EVER RUDE JUST ONE HUNGRY MOUTH TO FEED FROM A DOG'S STANCE, THERE IS HARMONY AND IT RESTS UPON YOUR PLATE IT'S THE DROOL OF HOPE...IT'S THE LOOK OF GUILT THAT'S THE STANCE OF EVERY DOG FROM A DOG'S STANCE, WE ALL HAVE ENOUGH SO WHY NOT GIVE DOGS MORE? FROM A DOG'S STANCE, THEY CAN'T COMPREHEND WHAT ALL THESE CATS ARE FOR FROM A DOG'S STANCE, WE ARE WAITRESSES MARCHING TO THE KITCHEN NOW BRINGING BOWLS OF FOOD... MAKE THAT "PEOPLE FOOD" THAT'S THE STANCE OF EVERY DOG DOGS ARE WATCHING US - DOGS ARE WATCHING US - DOGS ARE WATCHING US - FROM A DOG'S STANCE FROM A DOG'S STANCE, THE WORLD'S A BOWL OF FOOD AND NO DOG IS IN NEED THERE ARE NO CATS, NO POSTMEN, BATHS OR FLEAS JUST ONE HUNGRY MOUTH TO FEED FROM A DOG'S STANCE, THERE IS HARMONY AND IT RESTS UPON YOUR PLATE IT'S THE DROOL OF HOPE...IT'S THE LOOK OF GUILT THAT'S THE STANCE OF EVERY DOG. -- Jeff Emery jefmry@cruzio.com Santa Cruz, CA ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 00:34:38 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (world serve your own needs) Subject: ectopics, etc... hey ectoids... haven't been logged on since the end of last week as things were a little hectic. between training on the use of gas chromotagraphs in bensalem, pa (a little suburb of northern philly), the chilly icy weather, some flakiness with remus and a weekend in new haven visiting meredith, i haven't had a chance to read my e-mail between last thursday morning and now. phew. remind me not to do that again or i wouldn't have missed poking fun at the terry, the critic-in-our- midst! :) ah well...next time, i'll join in the fun.... anyways...a couple newsy items: i can see again! a number of weeks ago, i managed to lose *both* of my contact lenses. ironically, this happened right after i made an appointment to get my prescription corrected to reflect the degradation of my eyesight over the past three years (i'm nearsighted in a big way and it's only going to get worse since my cornea is expanding outward, though hard (er, *gas permeable*) lenses do arrest the movement enough that i don't need a major rehaul of the prescription as often as i used to when i was wearing glasses). after losing the old lenses, it was a week until the appointment, a week until the new contacts came in and a half week until i could get into the office to pick them up. so...i've been wearing my glasses (which, meredith says, make me look like a 16 year old - a cute 16 year old, mind you, but a 16 year old nonetheless ;). i skipped volleyball practice to pick them up this afternoon. it's *frightening* that i thought that the glasses were an improvement over the old lenses as, with these new lenses, i can see better than i've been able to see since, oh, um, maybe four years ago. oof. it's great to be able to read license plates again...though i'm kicking myself for taking so long to take care of this. ears may be one of the more important senses for ectophiles, but don't neglect your eyes either! i can also hear again! well, almost. i got a call from the shop that was repairing my cd player. it's fixed - the motor burned out - and i just need to get back from work by 6pm one of these evenings to pick it up. looking forward to that - i want to be able to listen to discs with the full stereo system again for a change (and i'm sure meredith would like to have her box back so she can listen to cds in her bedroom again). um...some musical stuffs... i listened to a sampler of melissa ferrick over the weekend. it's just four songs from _massive blur_, which i'd been wondering about for the past few months after neglecting to pick it up when i saw it in a used bin a while ago. i can't say that i was overly impressed though...if you like juliana hatfield, melissa ethridge or even alaynah myles you'll probably appreciate _massive blur_ (which i keep mis-typing as _massive blue_) more than i did. i finally got the two "cornflake girl" cd singles. as i was saying to mike riccio (rdt'er) tonight, i could sit and listen to tori's piano playing forever. it's like rain falling on a xylophone, it's like cats walking on a piano, it's like...well, you get the idea. :) that said, i will say that her piano suite on the regular single does not thrill me to much. i do like "sister janet" though. the covers on the limited edition single, especially "a case of you" and "if 6 was 9," are pretty great (though i think that tori used more than just a marshall amp to get that distortion on the jimi hendrix cover). however, the billie holiday tune may take longer sink in, if it ever does. i've also heard five tracks from _under the pink_ (courtesy of certain ectophiles who shall remain nameless) and i'm looking forward to the album quite a bit. february just won't come soon enough.... onto the replies... p.cohen@genie.geis.com sez: >Honestly, between stuff like this and junk mail that I've been receiving >lately, I'm starting to wonder about the inevitable commercialization of the >net. well, personally, i think that the "commercialization" of the net is already happening (witness the large influx of aol, genie, delphi and compuserve addresses that are popping up on mailing lists these days) and that it's not necessarily a bad thing at all. junk mail like the global alert are not a new phenomenon on the internet by any stretch of the imagination. Joe Zitt sez: >In coming down here, I've had a chance (!) to actually put my music >where my mouth is and put together a desert island collection, since >I've left my records and CDs, as well as almost all my other >possessions, back in Texas. These are the tapes I brought: [copious amounts of tapeage deleted] you call that a *desert island* collection?!? joe, man, you ain't gonna have enough room in your lifeboat for your walkman if you expect that the desert island music board of directors will allow you to bring all those cassettes with you to visit robinson caruso! never mind yourself! ;) >(Has anyone else heard of Robin Holcomb? yup. i've ever seen her perform. it was a fantastic performance in the cramped quarters of the knitting factory a few years ago. lots of nyc luminaries in her band: wayne horovitz (of course), bill frisell, joey baron (i think it was him anyways). excellent show, the tape of which i've apparently lost. argh. sainty_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz sez: >Meryn Cadell: "Angel Food For Thought" y'know, i still haven't gotten a copy of that. i picked up _bombazine_ in a used bin a while ago and liked it. i listened to _angel food for thought_ a long time ago and liked it...but never bought it. another one for the long list. Mike Mendelson sez: >Peter Himmelman, great songwriter and performer from >Minneapolis, has a tremendous CD called From Strength to Strength. he also has (at least) two other releases (_synthesia_ and _gematria_) which are pretty good. i saw him a few years ago at one of those whfestivals that whfs holds every fourth of july or thereabouts. he was on early in the day and people were pretty much ignoring him when he came on stage. by the end of his short set, he had the entire crowd enthused and about 40 people on stage with him. i don't think i've ever seen anyone work a crowd like he did. i'll also recommend his albums - pretty good stuff. >Anyways, on FStS there is a song called Running Away. >I am just now listening to it at work. I had been looking at the liner >notes and I notice in teeny tiny print on the bottom of the page: >"Karen Peris and Don Peris appear coutesy of A&M Records". *thwack* :) i annoyed meredith to no end by saying "i knew that" when she read mjm's note to me over the weekend. i think i better learn to keep my mouth shut. :) anyways, there's a bit of history about karen and peter but i can't remember it all right now. keith abbott, the guy who runs the innocence mission mailing list (also handled on ns1.rutgers.edu) can provide the full details if anyone's interested. >Speaking of which, after 2 brilliant albums and a tour that I >missed but heard wasn't quite as wonderful, what's the deal with >IM? Anybody know? Are thing coming out with #3 soon? i have to agree with others in that _umbrella_ was a bit of a disappointment in that it just didn't live up to the promise of the first. however, i will say that _umbrella_ is one of a few albums about which i would say is "better than 99% of the crap out there in the music scene" despite its failure to live up the previous work. if i recall correctly, a third album is being worked on now. no idea when a release date would be though. Neal Copperman sez: >Do you make many tapes yourself, or are these acquired from others? oh, probably half and half, i suppose. i trade a lot, but i also tape a lot of shows as well. >I have >been considering buying a little tape deck to make some copies myself. I've >seen a number of shows that I would love to have on tape. Anyone have any >suggestions on what to get or tips on how to do it. some suggestions for those interested in taping shows for their own use: 1) don't buy a dictation tape recorder that uses those small cassettes. in a phrase, they suck. one can get a decent recording walkman for under $100 that makes listenable recordings. 2) buy a deck that has an external microphone jack. not only is the sound going to be better with a mic that you position on a lapel, it's much easier to conceal a walkman if you're concerned about being caught. 3) if possible, use a stereo walkman with a stereo mic. you don't really get separation between the left and right channels, but the stereo mic does fill out the sound and there's a noticable increase in listenablity over a mono mic. >My impression is that it is not illegal as long as you don't sell them. >IS this true? unknown. the way that copyright laws in the united states are written, that is a possible interpretation. however, it'd be tough to convince someone to take that bold of a stance in a court case. >SOme places >say no taping equipment allowed, but if you smuggle something in, what have >you violated. Is it just a house rule, so they could throw you out, or is >there some sort of law? Is there any chance that they could confiscate the >recorder? Sounds unlikely, but I was kind of curious. in my experience, it seems to be a house rule which may or may not be enforced depending on the performer, the record label, the bouncer, or the phase of the moon. :) i was stopped once at the door for having a walkman in a backpack and was refused entrance until i didn't have the pack with me (i smuggled the deck in in my pocket). some places say they will take away your equipment but i don't know of any occurances of that except at big concert events in stadiums and arenas where security tends to be more anal about it. in small clubs and bars, there's not as much of a concern with dubbing for some reason (probably since the performers are not as well known and no one in the band or working for their label really cares). p.cohen@genie.geis.com sez: >Kelly mentioned The October Project. I've heard some of their material on >WXPN (Philly) and they sound really interesting. yeah, i noticed that 'xpn (which i listened to while driving to bensalem every morning last weekend) was hot on the october project. i picked up their album a few weeks ago in a cutout bin (see a pattern here yet?) and, while it was nice, didn't like it that much. the arrangements are, as kelly said, lush and primarily acoustic. the vocalist (whose name i can not recall) seems to force her voice though which i found annoying. i think that their label thinks that they will be the next greatest thing (hence they are opening for the crash test dummies on their current tour - that's a better pair-up than most opening acts though, now that i think about it). jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu sez: >Anyway, I liked >the Grace Darling stuff, but probably not enough to buy it unless I win a >lottery or somethin'. hey, i'll buy your copy from you! i've been looking for that album for a while. "illusionarium" is probably one of the more beautiful songs i've ever heard. anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) sez: >Another buncha days I haven't had time to do the big EctoReplyThing and have >ended up with 180 messages in my little virtual newsgroup to enjoy reading. I >hate missing anything in Ecto, so I read every message, which of course means >that once again it's 5am and I'm still here.. :-) the story of my life. or non-life as the case may be. >And woj, were you mentioning >you like the drum sound on this track? This is the trademark Eddie Rayner >drum sound as heard on the Margot Smith album! :-) nope. the snares on _sleeping with the lion_ are nowhere near as crisp and dry as the snares on _fumbling towards ecstacy_. >Mmm, but I mean the envelope field at the very top of the message aftre it's >sent out - check the RFC for this, I'm not 100% sure that's how it should be >described. It's different to the "From:" and other fields. yeah, that is what i've been pestering jessica about. i think that the line we're talking about is basically just a "divider" for mail readers to know where a new messages starts and an old one ends. WretchAwry sez: >I know -zero- about this person or what she sounds like, but I >know that there are some Ectophiles who are fans, so i'm >re-posting this from rec.music.folk: thanks for cross-posting ani difranco's tour dates, vickie. i'm on ani's mailing list, but at my old address (gotta fix that sometime) and the post office tends to be a little slow about forwarding mail sometimes. anyways, for those who might be wondering, ani is often described as militant, acoustic punk. that's probably pushing it a bit. i prefer to describe her as acoustic music with a hard-line, left-wing lyrical edge. she has an interesting voice (that is not to say that it's not good, it's just interesting) and i particularly like her guitar-playing which is both rhythmic and percussive, often at the same time. i've not seen her perform yet, but it's on my list of things to do. >Hmm, what kind of an Indie label is this, that they can afford such >an extensive tour? Maybe they could give AG some tips :) well, ani performs as a solo acoustic guitarist and pretty much drives herself around the country (or where ever). i imagine if she had a band and the mess of equipment that happy and kevin have she'd be a little less mobile. ;) farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) sez: >the other group is from North Carolina and was pretty >local, and were called the jody grind. they were bluesy rock and the >vocalist was outstanding. sadly, half the band was killed in a car accident a few years ago, shortly after _lefty's deceiver_ was released and shortly before they were going to tour the album. i caught them twice when they were opening for robyn hitchcock on his eye tour supporting their first album in 1990 and they were stunning. i think that there were actually from georgia, if memory serves (though we know how often it also faults) the jody grind will defintely be missed by me. well, enough for now. 285 lines are probably enough. i wonder if anyone actually bothered to read all this. g'nite. +woj ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. 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