Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #977 ecto, Number 977 Thursday, 20 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* re...Jane, and Happy too. Jane tour dates Re: ectopics Desert Island Tapes (or the klaus from Hell) ..Jane.. music/bread/irons/etc Testing, one, two... Genie returns Global Alert For All: Jesus is Re: music/bread/irons/etc Re: Global blah blah .... Toy Matinee ======================================================================== From: freeform@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 20:29:12 EST Subject: re...Jane, and Happy too. Ian wrote: >I have to say, I think No Borders Here (and maybe to some extent, >The Speckless Sky) has aged less gracefully than the others. The >first album still sounds amazingly fresh; perhaps just because of >the relative simplicity of the arrangements. I agree.. No Borders Here and The Speckless Sky are my least favorite Jane albums. They sound kind of dated, IMO. I still like them a lot, though. But that first album sounds great to me. It is interesting hearing Jane in a simpler setting. I really love "The Sky Is So Blue", "Above The Treeline" and especiallly "In The Blue Light". Well, I am really enjoying Rhodes One! The chorus in "Number One" is absolutely infectious and I can't get it out of my head.. "You are the shine in the hollow of my eye and my time whiles by faster with you by my side.." Charles ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 20:27:54 EST From: mjl9466@cs.rit.edu (Michael J Loftus) Subject: Jane tour dates I found this listing of upcoming Jane Siberry tour dates on America On Line: These dates have just been announced for February. 3 New York, NY The Bottom Line 4 Seattle, WA Backstage 5 Portland, OR Aladdin Theatre 7-8 Vancouver, BC Vancouver Cultural Ctr. 10 Santa Fe, NM Luna Mike Loftus mjl9466@cs.rit.edu ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 21:40:48 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Jane tour dates Mike Loftus (<---kudos & *hugs* for taping A Choral Christmas!) writes: > These dates have just been announced for February. > > 3 New York, NY The Bottom Line > 4 Seattle, WA Backstage > 5 Portland, OR Aladdin Theatre > 7-8 Vancouver, BC Vancouver Cultural Ctr. > 10 Santa Fe, NM Luna Oh, it's so wonderful that the Not-A-Concert-Concert is turning into a bigger, international tour. (I'm sad that Chicago isn't on there though...:-( boo hoo) Hopefully she'll make it here before it's all over. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 14:23:46 PST From: tsai@ikos.com (Finney T. Tsai) Subject: Re: ectopics :> "Guernica" is also the name of a very famous Picasso painting, which :> depicts the horrors of war. Guernica is a quaint, completely non-military :> town which was used for bombing practice by the Nazis during the Spanish :> Civil War. During WWII, when a Nazi officer saw the painting in a museum, :> he asked Picasso (who was there for some reason) who painted it. Picasso :> replied, "You did." :> :> I'm not *too* sure about the Picasso/Nazi story, but the bit about the :> bombing is true. I also have heard the same story, but I suspect if it's true. 'Guernica' is a landmark for the Cubism. It's a typical work of multi-views and multi-interpretations. If you didn't have some knowledges with the cubism, you could hardly understand what is depicted in the painting: simply lots of inconsistent little pieces. I doubt the Nazi officer could really figure out what Picasso was trying to say. Many delieve Picasso was protesting Nazi used Span to test new weapons as well as Spanish Nationalists sacrificed people's lives for their political ambitions, but I think he's only trying to record down what he saw based on the duty of being an artist. In 60's, Guernica was a very hot topic among constructionists, deconstructionists, and even later, the postmodernists. Gradually it became a cult symbol. When we talk about overloaded symbols, this is the one. So politics. It seems politics have never shown up in Happy's songs? Oh Yeah, I know, she's *happy*! :) -finney "Sing me a happy song Yeah sing me a happy song 'Cause I am sick and tired Of being sick and tired" -- Melissa Ferrick ======================================================================== Subject: Desert Island Tapes (or the klaus from Hell) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 23:26:33 CST From: Joe Zitt Hi, all! Well, I'm sitting here in the frozen bowels of New Jersey. This town I've landed is to the state as the state is to viewers of Saturday Night Live. It's no coincidence that the only way anyone has found out that this place exists is from a Made for TV True Crime miniseries in which a mild-mannered citizen quietly murdered some of his family. You don't have to be an uptight, officious know-nothing to live here -- you just have to be able to pass as one. The killer cold here is hosing everything bigtime (though if I hear my mother say "This would have been considered warm when we lived in Winnipeg" one more time I may go berserk -- the schools in which she teaches have been closed all week, and I've barely had a moment to myself without her nudging). I did get out to the motor vehicle agency yesterday (standard stupidity out here: you can only get to the DMV office by car), and, to my disgust and amazement, failed the written test. Seems I froze up on the numbers, forgetting exactly how many feet it takes to stop a car at some arbitrary speed, or what percentage of blood alcohol it takes to double, but not triple, your reaction time. Meanwhile, the work search is slow but moving on; there's a shot at me getting a job in NYC paying twice what I've ever earned in my life, but I want to get back to Texas! Fast! Well, at least I have my computer here, and my Texas housemates, to my surprise, are shipping my synth to me, so I'll be able to get some music done. My curent project is to finish up the hypertext of my acrostic poems. The project involves apporximately 64 poems and a huge number of related screens. It should be pretty cool. When I'm done, I'll put it up for ftp. I've also been writing a *lot* of songs, mostly out of boredom. In coming down here, I've had a chance (!) to actually put my music where my mouth is and put together a desert island collection, since I've left my records and CDs, as well as almost all my other possessions, back in Texas. These are the tapes I brought: Laurie Anderson: Strange Angels Argument Clinic: Bones of Contention Leonard Bernstein: Mass David Bowie: Black Tie White Noise + Glenn Branca: The World Upside Down Michael Brook: Live at the Aquarium KaTe Bush: The Red Shoes The Sensual World John Cage: Roaratorio Singing Through Empty Words/Song Books Four Ryoanjii (Bass Flute and Percussion) Mesostic IV and Q&A (from I-VI) (and compiled other stuff) Leonard Cohen: I'm Your Man + The Future Best of Julee Cruise: Floating Into the Night Ann Dudley/Jaz Coleman: Songs of the Victorious City Ornette Coleman: (Compilation) Miles Davis: You're Under Arrest He Loved Him Madly (from Get Up With It) Kool Jazz Festival 1985 (Live Bootleg) Enigma: MCMXC A.D. Brian Eno: Neroli Desert Island Selection Enya: Watermark Morton Feldman: The Viola in my Life False Relationships and the Extended Ending Rothko Chapel For Frank O'Hara Fripp/Sylvian: The First Day Fripp & Eno: Paris France 5-75 (Live Bootleg) Peter Gabriel: So Passion + Gamelan Son of Lion: (Compilation) Philip Glass: Koyaanisqatsi (Compilation) The Golden Palominos: This is How It Feels Henryk Gorecki: Symphony #3 Ofra Haza: Fifty Gates of Wisdom Shaday Kirya King Crimson: (Compilation of 1980's Stuff) Miranda Sex Garden: Suspiria Meredith Monk: Book of Days (Compilation) Sinead O'Connor: The Lion and the Cobra Prince and the NPG: O-+> Public Image Limited: Album Yehudit Ravitz Derekh HaMeshi Happy Rhodes: Live in Albany (from the dbxtds) Warpaint Robbie Robertson: Robbie Robertson Rush: Grace Under Pressure Jane Siberry: The Speckless Sky Stick People: Wiggin' Sting: Nothing Like the Sun + Talking Heads: (Compilation) Toy Matinee: Toy Matinee U2: Zooropa Jennifer Warnes: Famous Blue Raincoat + (+ indicates additional tracks) Original Soundtracks: Twin Peaks Fire Walk With Me Naked Lunch Jazz Sampler: James Blood Ulmer/Rahsaan Roland Kirk/Lounge Lizards/James White and the Blacks/Miles Davis Orchestral Sampler: Charles Ives/Ingram Marshall/Morton Feldman/John Adams/Toru Takemitsu Not a Love Song: PIL/Rolling Stones/Clash/Four Tops/David Bowie/ Jefferson Airplance/Yes/Tymes/Tom Robinson Band/Raspberries/Sex Pistols Philadelphia International: Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes/O'Jays/ MFSB/Three Degrees Assorted Poptones: Coil/Charlie Parker/Patti Smith/Lagu Kodok/Terry Riley/League of Gentlemen/Rhys Chatham Blasted Awake: En Vogue/Aerosmith/Eno/Madonna/Tori Amos/Hammer/ Talking Heads/Yes/Prince/Public Enemy/Nine Inch Nails/Body Count/Miles Davis The Comfort Food Compilations: Kate Bush/Elvis Costello/Bangles/ Aerosmith/Tanya Tucker/XTC/Van Halen/Jon Butcher/Pete Townshend/Juluka/Enya/Johnny Hates Jazz/Madonna/Til Tuesday/Bruce Hornsby/ Double/Expose/Crowded House/Gloria Estefan/ Martika/Jevetta Steele/K T Oslin/Fleetwood Mac Guilty Pleasures: Debbie Gibsin/Anita Baker/Atlantic Starr/Kate Bush/ Bonnie Tyler/Cheap Trick/George Michael/De Barge/Roger/The Jets/Pink Floyd/Whitesnake/ Jeff Beck/Gary Windo/Hooters/Dionne Warwick/Jennifer Rush/Tina Turner/World Class Wrecking Cru HUGmusic: Whitney Houston/Mariah Carey/Tori Amos/Kate Bush/ Queensryche/Prince & Sheena Easton/Kris McKay/ Bruce Springsteen/The Cure/Clannad/Enya/Happy Rhodes/Peter Gabriel/Daniel Lanois/Thomas Dolby/Sinead O'Commor/George Michael/Julee Cruise/Martika Masters of Metal: Black Sabbath/Y&T/Dokken/Zebra/Dio/Van Halen/ Kiss/Rainbow/Iron Maiden/Rush/Triumph/Twisted Sister/Krokus Mostly Slow: Alannah Myles/Robert Fripp/Iggy Pop/David Bowie/ Prince/Gerald McMann/Thomas Dolby/Lonnie Mack/ John Lennon/Yoko Ono/Rainbow/Elvis Costello/ Cult/Randy Crawford/Simon & Garfunkel/Joan Jett/Percy Sledge/Alice Cooper/King Crimson/ Hugo Largo/Jefferson Airplane/Al Stewart/ Kate Bush/Stevie Nicks/Eurogliders/Eric Clapton Music You May Not Have Heard: John Zorn/Carles Santos/Scott Johnson/ Anthony Davis/Allen Ginsburg/Steve Swallow/John Cage/Morton Feldman/Barbara Benary/Joan LaBarbara/Max Roach/Abbey Lincoln/Malcolm Goldstein/Daniel Goode/King Crimson/Cecil Taylor/Robert Ashley/Meredith Monk/Tom Johnson/Brian Eno/Ofra Haza/Frank Zappa/Ornette Coleman/Pauline Oliveros/Laurie Anderson Sleepers: Doris Hays/Annea Lockwood/Ilhan Mimaroglu/Daniel Goode/Tom Johnson/Pauline Oliveros/Allison Knowles/Ann Silsbee Sleep Tape: Ornette Coleman/Ronald Shannon Jackson/Adrian Belew/ Jaco Pastorius/Gamelan Son of Lion/Bertram Turetzky/John Cage I also put together one new compilation of songs I *had* to have with me: NECESSARY SONGS SIDE A Little Village: Don't Think About Her When You're Trying To Drive. k.d.lang: The Mind of Love Duran Duran: Necessary Songs Neville Brothers: My Blood Kate Bush: Rocket Man Seal: Crazy PM Dawn: Set Adrift on Memory Bliss U2: One Velvet Underground: Femme Fatale Joan Baez: Diamonds and Rust Dead Can Dance: The Ubiquitous Mr. Lovejoy Peter Gabriel: Digging In The Dirt Aerosmith: Dream On SIDE B Tori Amos: Winter Meatloaf: Objects in the Rearview Mirror May Appear Closer Than They Are Robin Holcomb: Deliver Me Sinead O'Connor: Sacrifice Happy Rhodes: Ashes to Ashes Prince: Nothing Compares 2 U George Michael: Praying for Time Madonna: Bad Girl Elton John: Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me Philip Glass: A Gentlemen's Honor Tubeway Army: Me' I Disconnect From You The k.d.lang tune has been locked in my head since I got the album. And I hadn't noticed how beautiful the guitar work is on the Hapster's "Ashes to Ashes" until I heard it out of context, as it were. I'm really pleased with all the segues, too -- I spend a lot of time/energy getting the arrangement of songs on my compilations exactly right, and love finding things that go together though it seems like they shouldn't, like Meatloaf -> Robin Holcomb or Elton John -> Philip Glass -> Gary Numan. (Has anyone else heard of Robin Holcomb? Defilutely Ecto material: when she's not writing knotty avant-garde jazz, she does these albums of deceptively simple, almost folkish songs.) (I didn't put together Masters of Metal, Sleepers, and Assorted Poptones.) Hmm... well, I've spent the last two hours logging tapes... Consider this the incredibly extended version of the "Likes" line in Vickie's mail headers B-). BTW: "The Speckless Sky" is the only Jane I've heard. I'm chomping to get her other stuff if I ever have an income again. But my next musical priority will probably be the new Tori Amos... I've been meaning to mention Toy Matinee for a while. As far as I know, they only put out one album, which is a pop masterpiece. The group consists of Patrick Leonard, who has written songs with/for Madonna and Pink Floyd, among others, and ... uh ... someone else. I've seen the disc in cut out bins a lot. Also in the bins and mildly Ectoid: Kris McKay. She's sort of country, sort of rock. Her latest (only?) album contains an energetic of Duncan Browne's "The Wild Places". I just picked up the cassette for $1 for my brother. (My brother has a sideways mind like mine, though he's gone yuppie on us. At dinner a few nights ago, I asked him "What's Beverly Hills minus Yes?". Without missing abeat, he answered "85", at which we both cracked up laughing, leaving his wife completely baffled.) Yow...240 lines... I'd better let someone else have a chance at some bandwidth...! ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 1:16:02 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: ..Jane.. MC Janefan writes: > On Sun, 16 Jan 1994 freeform@aol.com wrote: > > I've been reading all the posts lately about Jane Siberry. I've been a fan > > of hers since 1985 or so when I saw the video for "One More Colour" on MTV > > (!) Ah yes! One of the earliest 120 Minutes show (back when JJ Jackson was hosting) played the video. It wasn't the first time we saw it, but it was the most suprising place we've seen it :-). (A friend of ours, Mike "Hex" Lindsey I think, showed us a promo video he'd gotten in. It had the OMC video, and an interview. Watching that interview was what turned me into a Jane fan. That's one thing I could contribute to a Jane video project, if it comes off. I have more too... > > Does Jane have a video > > collection available? How many videos has she made, anybody know? > > Charles, > I'm almost positive Jane does not have a video collection > available anywhere. I would kill for it if she did. She has produced > a couple of video that she sells through Sibline, her information > network. They are _The bird and the gravel_ a video she directed, and > a short collection done for her WIWAB album. It includes videos for > _An angel stepped down_ and _Sail across the water_ as well as a couple > of shorts for some of her other songs. When I talked to Jane after the BBTB show, I asked her if there were plans for a video collection, and she said no. Btw, the "Bird In the Gravel" video is about $12.00, I believe. The other video is......$40.00! They're wonderful videos. They really are. Still, I think that price is *way* too high. I certainly realize that she paid for these herself (I believe the record company refused to pay for any videos) and she needs to make back her money, but I think she'd sell more, especially at the concerts, if they were cheaper. > As for other videos, I have seen _One more colour_, _Map of the world > (part II)_ (a live concert vid), _Ingrid & the footman_, _The life > is the red wagon_ and _Everything reminds me of my dog_. I do know > that she has done several other videos that were used in Canada, but not > showed in the U.S. (For instance, _The walking (and constantly)_ which > must be wonderful.) Maybe someday we'll see them all! Ah, but "The Walking" video has been shown in the US. Jane hosted a show on VH-1 called, if I remember right, "New Visions" and it's another thing that would be great for a Jane tape tree. She chose the videos that were shown, her own and others. She showed videos of "The Walking," (directed by Matt Mahurne(sp), the same director who made Tracy Chapman's "Fast Cars" and Peter Gabriel's "Mercy Street), "Ingrid and the Footman," "One More Colour," "Map of the World Pt. 2" (also the concert video) She said in the show that she was given a list to choose from wrt other videos and she chose well. I'll have to put together a full list, but off the top of my head I remember Laurie Anderson's "Language Is A Virus," Weather Report "Procession," Andy Summer's "Love Is The Strangest Way" (which is the black and white Maya Deren homage(parody?), Donald Fagen "New Frontier" and Frank Zappa's "Peaches En Regalia." Jane is umm, "surreal" might be close, throughout the entire show, but the strangest part is when she talks to Leon Redbone (who performs live on the show) and you get the idea that this guy has *no* idea what to make of Jane. (Neither, I'm sure, did a good portion of the millions of VH-1 viewers). It's wonderful! That show is an hour long, though it could be trimmed quite a bit by taking out the commercials and the dippier videos (not by Jane, but by others). Another thing I have is a Much Music spotlight, which shows many of the earlier videos (I'll watch it again and make up a list) including "I Muse Aloud" which finally got me to liking that song. Now all we need to do is find a way to dub these things. Well darn, I've just been warned that there's a power shortage in New Jersey, and that the system could be shut down at any time, so I'll finish this up now. > Enjoy Jane! Always! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 23:06:29 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Desert Island Tapes (or the klaus from Hell) > Dead Can Dance: The Ubiquitous Mr. Lovejoy Yes, Bob *does* seem to be everywhere, doesn't he? :) > I've been meaning to mention Toy Matinee for a while. As far as I know, > they only put out one album, which is a pop masterpiece. The group > consists of Patrick Leonard, who has written songs with/for Madonna and > Pink Floyd, among others, and ... uh ... someone else. I've seen the > disc in cut out bins a lot. Kevin Gilbert. I had never heard of Toy Matinee until the Happy Gift Project this past holiday season (one of Gilbert's pieces from his Giraffe project was on it, which I really liked). Last weekend I saw _Toy Matinee_ in the bargain tapes bin at a supermarket, so I picked it up. I think it's excellent; none of the songs are stinkers, and a few ("Last Plane Out", "The Ballad of Jenny Ledge") are GREAT. It's been stuck in my Walkman for a few days. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 22:07:48 EST From: mojzes@monet.vill.edu (brni) Subject: music/bread/irons/etc hi there. i guess i should just launch into this headfirst... >From: jmg@rocket.com (Jim Gurley) > >Whilst scanning through alt.music.alternative a couple days ago I read a >post on that ultimately forgettable mid-70s band, Klatteau, the ones who > personally, i really liked klatu, but then, maybe we are talking about different bands that just happened to have songs with the same titles...? -------------- >From: SABOE@ucis.vill.edu (linda) > >>Commonwealth of Massachusetts--much the way that French bread is supposedly >>referred to as such everywhere in the world but France, where it's commonly >>known as Italian bread. > >this is so, due to the fact that the italians invented it, and the french >simply elongated it. :) >it is a shame tho', to lose the flavor of our language. sigh. >-linda >> Mitch > wait. i'm confused. the french call french bread italian bread while the rest of the world calls french bread commonwealth of massachusetts? ----------------- >From: hanson@ast.saic.com (Jeffrey Hanson) > >Just heard their cover of I Don't Want to Talk About It from the >Philadelphia soundtrack. Pretty good, but I think I prefer >Everything But the Girl's. Both are better than Rod Stewart's. > all things are better than rod stewart. incidentally, parts of the film "philadelphia" were filmed 1.5 blocks away from my house. pain in the ass, actually, as it interfered with my route to work. ----------------- >From: Chris Sampson > >something like what's already been suggested (i.e., Olly Olly All Out are >in free). We also played TAG, and EVERYONE knows how to do that, even the >flashlight variant, I assume..... > hmmm. we played Bat. sorta like a mixture of hide-and-seek, and tag, but with a baseball bat. > Whattya call those elongated sandwiches with (usually) cold cuts >layered thickly on them???? > On Long Island, we called them HEROS, though some transplants >called them Hoagies, or Subs or Torpedos. Two versions that I almost CAN'T >get used to, one of which is a tragedy as it is the local variant, are: > > WEDGES (NO, not wedgEES!) [Used in Westchester County, NY, and, >apparently, nowhere else] > > GRINDERS [Used here in Connecticut] > in philly, grinders are hoagies that you stick in the pizza oven long enough to melt the cheez and start to brown the hoagie roll. > Still other disputable pronunciations: > > Chocolate (is that chocklit, chockolit, chawklit, chawkolit???) > Orange (AH-ranj, or AW-ranj??) > me, i always pronounce them like they are spelled. someone once asked me "where *does* your lack of accent come from?" > Insurance (is that in-SHUR-ance, or EN-shur-ance?) This is a >Pennsylvania question, mostly, I think. > or if you want something more philadelphian, or rather, south philadelphian (to be specific): "yo! YO VIN! WHERE DA FUCK YOU BIN? I BIN FUCKIN WAITIN FOr YU F'TWO FUCKIN' OUWAHS!" yeah, when i woke up to this at 3 am, i knew it was time to move north... so, uh, how do y'all pronounce "iron"? ------------------ >From: rhogan@chaph.usc.edu (Ron Hogan) > >personally, i think you're being kind by calling the author of that >tripe a dickhead. > >obviously, any white woman who sings by herself has to be influenced >by Kate Bush according to that putz. > well, not to put a damper on the reviewer-bashing, but, uh, shouldn't *everyone* (regardless of race or sex) be influenced by kate? :> -------------------- >From: Michael Colford > >display for the front window, I was told by the district manager >that the word "Christmas" had to be spelled out. In the past, >people had complained about the use of the abbreviation, "X-mas" >claiming that it was "Putting an 'X' through Christ." I don't know >if this complaint has any merit, but I thought it was somewhat >interesting. > yeah, there are a lot of people who get really upset when you write "xmas" instead of "christmas"--so since one thing i can't stand are uptight xtians, i *always* (cheerfully) write "xmas." well, thats it for now, kids. now, back to your regularly scheduled ectofest. *HUGS* to all and one to one and all and to the rest of you as well. :) brni ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 00:00:00 BST Subject: Testing, one, two... Hello, I'm just hoping that this is getting through. Today there was only one letter in the old mailbox, from Drewcifer, where there is usually 25 or so. I sent a few that I never saw echo. So I thought I'd send this to see if it goes through. When Jessica returns I'll ask for a few digests to catch up. Life is rough when you depend on Genie for net.access! Today in the mail was a glistening package from DBX containing the HGP and HBP projects. Wow! I'm listening as I type. Bravo to all concerned! Doug, did you get to copy the WXPN pledge break performance? And thanks for the great tapes! Hoping this makes it to the net, I remain +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com+ Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 01:02:00 BST Subject: Genie returns Hi all, Perhaps it was the ice storm, but Genie was down for a while and now is back. Hello! Regarding religion: I was raised as a Christian and so I am. The Church (not the band), however, just doesn't cut it for me. I find no spirituality there. I'm closer to god atop Mt. Monadnock than I am in most any church I've attended, save one instance where the music really clicked! Joseph Campbell's book on Mythology, and the shows with Bill Moyers, are wonderful insights into religious behaviour. I took a course in Magic and Religion back in college, and came out realizing that spirtuality is an inner drive. Churches use rituals to substitute external dogma for the inner need, and that is why they fail. Pure Christianity is truly valid, but is missing from modern life. The Church has become corrupt over the centuries; with Popes selling indulgences and the rewriting of the Bible 800AD - as the Firesign Theatre notes: "In the next world, you're on your own!" Sorry for the rambling... WXPN is playing "God"; what a great song! Tori's back, folks! See you all again soon! Bob the tedious +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com+ Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ ======================================================================== From: p.cohen@genie.geis.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 01:21:00 BST Subject: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Yeah, I got the sermon, along with everyone else on the WIN3-L list. Comments ranged from "let's mailbomb the guy" to "his intentions were good". The people from LA were not very pleased with his assertion that the quake happened because everybody there didn't believe in the right god. Honestly, between stuff like this and junk mail that I've been receiving lately, I'm starting to wonder about the inevitable commercialization of the net. +########################################################################+ +###+ Paul Cohen, Philadelphia, PA +###+ +########################################################################+ +###+ P.COHEN@genie.geis.com +###+ PMCOHEN@aol.com +###+ +###+ 70703.3126@compuserve.com +###+ PMCOHEN@delphi.com +###+ +########################################################################+ ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 08:03:12 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: music/bread/irons/etc On Wed, 19 Jan 1994, brni wrote: > hmmm. we played Bat. sorta like a mixture of hide-and-seek, and > tag, but with a baseball bat. I'm afraid to ask. What was the bat for?? Michael ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 14:35:12 GMT Subject: Re: Global blah blah .... D^2 mentions; > 1881 Mother Shipton is supposed to have written: > > The world to an end will come > In eighteen hundred and eighty-one. Mother Shiptons cave (luxury 1 bed - no utilities!) is just a few miles down the road from me. There's a petrifying stream outside the cave where people hang various items and over a period of time they turn to stone. Being a local, of course I've never been there. I leave that to the grockles (tourists!). ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 11:08:32 -0500 From: pearceja%pomis.dnet@wl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: Toy Matinee I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M Date: 20-Jan-1994 10:55am EST From: Lt Jeffrey A. Pearce PEARCEJA Dept: POSF Tel No: 54171 TO: _MAILER! ( _DDN[ECTO@NS1.RUTGERS.EDU] ) Subject: Toy Matinee "jzitt@wixer.bga.com" (sorry I don't know the name that goes with the address) brought up the band Toy Matinee and I thought I'd comment. I really enjoy progressive music, you know, the 70s style, mellotron soaked, self-indulgent, 20 minutes tunes type of progressive music. Well, there's a guy that sells exclusively progressive discs through the net and he listed Toy Matinee on his sheet. So when I came across this for a measley $1 at Spectrum, I snatched it up. Well, 70s style progressive it ain't, but enjoyable it is. Well crafted pop/rock tunes with excellent production to boot. I second (or I think it's third now) the recommendation of this more than affordable disc. ___________________________________________________________________________ Jeff Pearce pearceja@wl.wpafb.af.mil And though I'd like to laugh At all the things that led me on Somehow the stigma still remains David Sylvian - "Waterfront" ___________________________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)