Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #974 ecto, Number 974 Thursday, 20 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Jane's backup singers ectofeteish (heh) in s.f. wednesday evening Re: ectofeteish (heh) in s.f. wednesday evening Tape dubbing project (?) how i listen to music Re: ecto #973 Re: ecto #973 ectopics descent into jane and other stories Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On Jane in Melbourne !? Michelle Shocked & Earthquakes Re: ectopics Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon Re: ecto #973 Global Alert For All: Happy is coming soon! Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Jan 94 17:51:51 EST From: Tamar Subject: Jane's backup singers Hi, again! It seems my only posts to this list are about Jane Siberry. I saw Jane on "The Walking" tour, so I thought I'd answer Vickie's question. Her backup singers were Rebecca Jenkins and another Rebecca whose last name I can't remember at the moment, but I don't think she was actually on any of Jane's albums or anything. I can probably find out her last name (I have the program from the show somewhere, I just don't know if it's in New Haven or SF), so let me know if you want to know. In my mind, the powerhouse of the two was Rebecca Jenkins though. By the way, I got Mitch Elrod's Swim Team's album for Christmas and I give it two thumbs up! I wish I could come to one of the Ecto parties in SF! My friends and family keep telling me how nice the weather is over there, and I'm so jealous! Granted there are colder places than New Haven, but this is plenty cold and wet and snowy for me! Have a good one!! --Tamar ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Jan 94 18:21:38 EST From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu (jessica) Subject: ectofeteish (heh) in s.f. wednesday evening Hi all - apologies to those not in san francisco :) wednesday evening sounds great. I have yet to work out transportation, but my hotel is practically right at a subway station so i'm sure i can get to ... wherever it is that has been mentioned :) so let's go with that. i have angelos, emily, and dave dixon's phone numbers - I'll give one or all of you a call this evening ;) jessica ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 15:32:32 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Lamb Subject: Re: ectofeteish (heh) in s.f. wednesday evening I just got in on this list and all, I'd like to meet a few people. I'm over in Sac and have a friend over in San Leandro, so I kinda know how to get there. I'd like to go if it's alright with the rest of ya, but will need some serious directions. Steve C. Lamb Sysop, Abcb Cafe (916) 363-1424 24/7/356 2400-14.4K v32bis PGP key CRC: 384/6CFEE3 - Insert funny line from KOR here. When I think of one, I'll do the same - ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 20:29:12 -0500 (EST) From: MMCQUAD1@ithaca.edu Subject: Tape dubbing project (?) As a relatively new member/lurker/occasional poster here, I find myself not knowing what is meant by the phrase "the tape dubbing project". Since I am probably the only one who is confused by this, could someone e-mail me and explain it to me? :-) Educate me!! :-) Michelle ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 21:57:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: how i listen to music Hi! The subject of how one listens to music was brought up recently, and I've finally remembered to reply to it when I'm on line. Yay. Unlike most of the people who have responded, to me lyrics are a lot more important than the music, though the music is still quite important -- vocals especially. Happy, Tori, Kate, or Sarah (just to name a few :) could sing over the most godawful screeching and wailing noises, and I wouldn't turn it off just to hear their voices. But the lyrics are the key. When I buy an album, the first thing I do is read the liner notes, and I go through all the lyrics before I listen to any of the album. Then I turn the stereo on, and follow along with the lyric sheet as I go along. I tend to do this for the first few times, to familiarize myself with how the words fit and where and how they are sung. Some sets of lyrics will jump right out and grab me before I've ever heard them sung: Kate's "Love and Anger", Jane's "At The Beginning of Time", and now the little bit of Tori's "Icicle" that someone on rdt has for a .sig dug niches into my heart and refused to let go - in the case of Kate, it's been 4 1/2 years, and they still have a firm hold. I can't wait to hear "Icicle"- I have a feeling this one is going to be special for me, dunno why. Once I've had a proper introduction to the lyrics, then I pay close attention to the music. Oftentimes the music will be so good it will intrude into my first inspection of the words, and then I know a song is *really* great. And if the vocals send me to soaring heights, hey, it's goddesshead. :) As they say, different strokes... Meredith meth@delphi.com "god sometimes you just don't come through do you need a woman to look after you?" - Tori Amos ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 22:47:15 -0400 (EDT) From: terry kroetsch f Subject: Re: ecto #973 could someone please tell me how to unsubscribe - all my attempts have failed and this is a particularly tedious group. ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: Re: ecto #973 Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 20:22:05 -0800 (PST) terry kroetsch f writes: > could someone please tell me how to unsubscribe - all my attempts have > failed and this is a particularly tedious group. Particularly tedious, eh? :) Ooooh! Gratuitous nasty words, like a dagger in the heart of ecto! You know, that sort of unnecessary remark kind of reminds me of a gob of snot applied to a mirror by a twelve year-old or something. That's the image that comes to my tedious mind, anyway! - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Jan 94 23:31:10 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (world serve your own needs) Subject: ectopics Aeren Hawkins sez: >I like the way Colleen Doran spelled it in _A Distant Soil_, so >I ripped Aeren off from her. Take your pick. :-) yay! _ads_ is my favorite comic, at least from the artwork stance. i *love* the style that doran used in the original warp printings. do you know if there were more than two starblaze issues though? i have both and they were supposed to do at least a third...but i've never seen it and starblaze seems to have disappeared into the ether. sainty_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz sez: >To someone who mentioned that their voice sounded weird on tape, I >thought I'd say that I hate listening to myself on tape - I sound >utterly different to how I hear myself when I talk... I guess my tape >voice is how others hear me though :\ i used to cringe when i heard my voice on tape - i thought it sounded a lot more nasal and not as deep as it sounded in my head. after a while of listening to recorded radio shows though, i got used to it and it does not bother me anymore and i actually like the way i sound now. SANDOVAL@stsci.edu sez: > What does everyone out there do with new music? Do you pour over the >lyrics the first time you listen? Can you like a song based on it's lyrics? usually, for the first few listens, lyrics are incidential for me. the music usually catches my ear first...though there is the occasional exception to this rule. for the most part though, i'm interested in what the sound of the song is rather than what the artist has to say. sometimes the message will drive home first, but that tends to happen only when the theme of the song has to do with something that is particularly pertinent to my life at the time or deals with something of specific interest (like, for instance, KaTe's "lily"). in general, though, i tend to gravitate away from music that i find boring no matter how great the lyrics might be. WretchAwry sez: >Thanks to all who are giving their Jane testimonials, >it makes me feel better, that Jane didn't click with me right away. if memory serves, i first took a listen to jane's music as a result of vickie's accolades on gaffa back in 1989. i remember hearing about her as a result of one of vickie's posts and then heading down to the radio station to see if we had anything by jane. _bound by the beauty_ was new at the time and i liked what i heard...but it wasn't until i went back into the stacks and found _the speckless sky_ and _the walking_ that i was hooked. not long after that, i posted about jane and then when tom neff created the siberry mailing list, i became a charter member even though i was far from qualified on the subject. now, i'm a jane.geek. :) kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) sez: >Disappear fear-Deep soul diver >They remind me of the Indigo Girls back when I liked them (around 1989), >and the CD is contemporary to those recordings. Excellent! i listened to a disappear fear album one afternoon at wesu while helping meth with a champagne jam. i thought that they were akin to the indigo girls with a jangle rock band backing them up. pleasant enough, but not engaging. WretchAwry sez: >Did anyone, *anyone* see "The Walking" tour? If you did, and you know >who her backup singers were, please tell me. was it anne bourne? i seem to recall that she toured at least once with jane and that seems about the right timeframe. i have a show from the 1988 tour as well, but i don't think she mentioned who was playing with her. >Anyway, I hope something can be worked out, either Doug telling me it's >ok with him, or someone else offering to be a dub center. for jane, i'd do anything. vickie, i hereby offer to dub both the 1988 show and the choral christmas tapes for folks if you'll send me copies of those shows. assuming that vickie says yes, i'll post details on how to get them from me later. anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) sez: >"Euphoria" - Insides >This is a strange one - on the Guernica label run by 4AD, this two-piece UK >band that used to be called Earwig do a kind of SylvianSakamotoesque mellow >instrumental thing with lots of sequenced instruments, haven't heard this yet, but it's on the list. were earwig a uk band? i thought they were from massachusetts for some vgue reason. also, for those who care, i found out where the heck ivo came up with the name guernica: it's a town in the basque country where an ancient oak tree thrived as the symbol of their legal system, a democracy that predated the magna carta. whoa. >I also bought "So Tonight That I Might See" by Mazzy Star, and am quite >pleasantly surprised at it. i dunno. maybe it was just a mood i was in when _she hangs brightly_ was released but i instantly fell in love with that album. i enjoy this new one quite a bit but it doesn't seem to inhabit the cd player as much as the first did. on the other hand, i heard a track off _so tonight..._ on the radio monday morning while driving to work and it struck a chord which i've been menaing to go back and listen to since then. maybe i'll go do that now (though i'll turn the lights off first ;) >I third that emotion. :-) Down this end of the world, Margot Smith has had >Kate Bush and Tori Amos brought up in *every single interview* she's done. >Ever. even yours? ;) >The Amiga ListSERV 2.0 I run the Margot mailing list with as of a couple >weeks ago puts an "-error" address in the "envelope" field, which apparently >is where bounced messages return to rather than the "From" address. Errors >and bounces can then be absorbed at the list host. Shouldn't be too hard to >alter the server on Rutgers to do that... maybe? :) well, the errors-to: and listname-errors: headers are not universal. a better way to do this (and one i've mentioned to jessica) is to have the post to ecto be resent by ns1 from owner-ecto. this'll send the bounces back to her (hah!) while still retaining the proper from: header. i do this with the list i run and it works like a charm. Tree of Schnopia sez: >Charles, you mentioned not "clicking" with Touch and Solace (first (to my >knowledge) two Sarah McLachlan albums). I had the same problem...I loved >them both, but Touch was a little too lightweight and Solace a little too uh oh! mjm, don't read this post! :) >And woj...what I meant about drums is that I miss the big prolific drum >sound she had on Solace. yeah, i see what you mean. it was just funny that you mentioned the drum thing as greg and i had been discussing the album's production, the drum sounds in particular, the night before i read your post. lcliffor@bbn.com sez: >A third back-up is Eve's Plum. could anyone give me a synopsis of eve's plum? i've seen their cd around and i've thought about buying it, but i hesitate for some reason...i think i'm afraid that they're just another "alternative" (note the sarcasm, see it drip) rock band fronted by a woman since it's trendy...or some badly done grunge. S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) sez: >It's surprising how well [Jane's] first album still stands up. hmmm. i seem to be in a minority here then. her first album was the last one i heard (sans _when i was a boy_) and while i could see the promise of her ability, didn't like it all that much. a few songs stood out as "good" in and of themselves but i really don't find too much in her debut that compels the occasional listen. Neile Graham sez: >For some reason [Sarah's] music really clicked for me then and I became >an instant fan. The live album didn't capture that experience for me at all, i agree to a point. nothing will probably compare to sitting at the front of the center table at club bene smack dab in front of sarah, inches from her feet. however, the live ep does a pretty good job of capturing the musical experience of that show for me. in fact, after seeing that show, i almost never went back to _solace_ since i like the live arrangements so much more. the studio "black" may be haunting and beautiful but the live version is a totally mind-blowing experience. >and "Ice Cream," which I like a lot. I think it's way more than a fluff >piece. gods, yes. it's a song of healing, of growth. its simplicity belies the complexity of the subject. it's probably my favorite song on the album from a lyrically point of view, though "elsewhere" is a close second. (from a musical stance, "plenty" takes all.) >Anyone have any Sarah videos to add to that tape tree or to start another? i've got all the videos from the first two albums as well as some cbc stuff including interviews and spotlights and stuff. i really should hook up the amiga and framegrab some of those images...the sarah picture archives are remarkably lean. ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 21:33:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: descent into jane and other stories Hi! I'm catching up on love-hounds and rdt digests with stops for ecto in between (I can't BELIEVE that Tori's "Cornflake Girl" debuted at # 7 in the UK- that's AMAZING!!!), and figured now was as good a time as any to comment on the Jane Siberry thread. I honestly don't know why I seem to be the only person on the planet who got into Jane via _Bound By The Beauty_. I had had no opportunity to hear of her before, and when that album came out I had just started to train at WESU. When I was home for winter break after I saw the video for "Bound By The Beauty" on VH-1 late one night, and I thought it was a great song. Then I saw the album at the station, and played "Half Angel Half Eagle" on my very first radio broadcast (the tape of which was mercifully lost a while ago :}). I loved the whole disc. I didn't get a chance to disover the rest of Jane's stuff until much later, when I borrowed woj's Jane collection. It all took quite a while to grow on me, and we all know my opinion of _When I Was A Boy_, so now I can truly say that I am indeed a Jane Siberry fan, even if _BBTB_ was the album that got me into her. And I cannot WAIT to see her live. (Which reminds me, I should log off and call my friend who is going to pick up the tickets for me tomorrow and tell her how many she needs to get. :) Oh- Valerie, you're just going to have to deal with the fact that I am prone to play _Bound By The Beauty_ in your presence-- not only is it an enjoyably musical experience for me, but watching you laugh your ass off is also quite amusing. :> Meredith meth@delphi.com "god sometimes you just don't come through do you need a woman to look after you?" -Tori Amos ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Tue, 18 Jan 94 02:04:00 BST Subject: Whole Lotta Shakin' Goin' On Hi Folks, Saturday night the Eastern Pennsylvania area was subjected to a 4.5 (Richter) earthquake, centered near Reading. This morning a quake twenty times more powerful struck L.A.'s northern suburbs. This is in hoping that any area ectophiles were spared the devastation we are shown over and over again on the telly. I have some "friends" in Ojai, which was apparently near the center of the Quake. I put friends in quotes because it's the band Spirit, and we kinda know each other. Randy Weiss and Ed Cassidy, founding members, know us by sight and Ed sent us a Christmas card personally. I've been a fan of the band since '68, so I'm a bit concerned how they fared. Looks like a lot of devastation out there. Anyway, my heart goes out to all who were affected by this disaster. In more mundane news, I was somehow switched with someone else in a recent post. Sorry, I don't have a Tori album. I sure like "God" a lot, though, as WXPN has begun playing it. I may pick this one up. Best wishes to all of you! Will Feed Quotes from Douglas Adams... +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com+ Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ ======================================================================== From: anthony baxter Subject: Jane in Melbourne !? Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 16:25:36 +1100 Wow! According to the latest copy of Beat magazine (Hi Anthony!) Jane Siberry is playing at the CUB Malthouse on the 16th of Feb. Yaaay! Anthony ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 22:52:48 -0500 From: farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) Subject: Michelle Shocked & Earthquakes Found out last thursday that Michelle and Taj Mahal (spelling?) were playing a benefit for a local SB musician at a small (<150) club a few blocks from my apartment. Being a large fan and not wanting to pass up such a wonderful opportunity, i biked to the club and picked up tickets the next day. they were almost out. Its Wed (tomorrow) at 930. I'll let you all know how it is. As for the quake, Santa Barbara was far enough away that we just got shaken up a lot. The power went out for 10 hrs also, due to problems with the grid down south. I listened to the news and (finally) watched the scenes, and then this morning read about the devestation in the LA Times. guess i should have been scared that night, but gotta admit that my attitude was pretty much like Ron's: >wheeeeee! > >I'm okay, though. Just some cosmetic damage to the apt. walls. > >Ron Hogan >LA the bed shook, and it was exciting, and that was it. i went back to sleep -- it was 430 am. The next day the 5 and 5.5 aftershocks kept you on your toes. "luckily", due to the time of day the loss of life was not as bad as it could have been considering the destruction of the freeways (which doesn't do a damn bit of good to console the families of those who did die). estimates are many many months to get LA back to some semblance of normality. but California isn't all natural disasters - it was in the high 60s/low 70s today. just to make all you Midwestern/Easterners out there feel bad :) we were walking around today in shorts and tshirts. and then playing Ultimate until 9pm (by then it was *really*, *really* cold - at least 45 :) ) so there are some comps.... as for Dissappear Fear, a friend sent me a compilation tape of some of their albums and i'll second woj's opinion - > pleasant enough, but not engaging. they sound like numerous generic 2 woman, acoustic guitar bands which sprung to life after the I-girls became quasipopular. Nice, but not distinguishing or inspiring. chris (giving Jane a third try......:) **************************************************************** * Chris Farmer (805) 893-2532 |let me help you off with your * * Biology Dept., UCSB |golden chains / we'll throw * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 |them in the river... * * farmer@lifesci.ucsb.edu | -penelope houston * **************************************************************** ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Jan 94 22:55:40 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: ectopics > also, for those who care, i found out where the heck ivo came up with > the name guernica: it's a town in the basque country where an ancient > oak tree thrived as the symbol of their legal system, a democracy that > predated the magna carta. whoa. "Guernica" is also the name of a very famous Picasso painting, which depicts the horrors of war. Guernica is a quaint, completely non-military town which was used for bombing practice by the Nazis during the Spanish Civil War. During WWII, when a Nazi officer saw the painting in a museum, he asked Picasso (who was there for some reason) who painted it. Picasso replied, "You did." I'm not *too* sure about the Picasso/Nazi story, but the bit about the bombing is true. D^2 will relate art history anecdotes for food ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 00:41:55 -0800 (PST) Okay, I'm just kidding. I'm not going to mail such nonsense to the list! :) (for those folks who don't know what the heck I'm talking about, some narbo bombarded just about every single Usenet newsgroup with a religious diatribe a day or two ago. It was the usual "the world is coming to and end so go and read your Bible and, oh, by the way *this* is what you should believe" kind of message. Naturally this antisocial behaviour has made a lot of people very angry. Just for fun a friend ran through the Usenet database here at SFU and found 3000 "Jesus is coming" and related messages. 3000! Such incredible waste of bandwidth!) Anyway, it does make me think, though. I've noticed that a whole slew of bitnet listservs have been gatewayed to Usenet. Has there been any considering of gatewaying ecto? I sincerely hope that nobody's thinking of doing this. I think a good part of ecto's unique flavour is that you have to sign up for it, so it's a private space. Usenet, much as I enjoy its anarchic feel, is a public space where any idiot can barge through with his Jesus posting. (or whatever) Just a thought! :) - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 22:00:39 +1200 From: sainty_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Subject: Re: ecto #973 Terry enquires: > could someone please tell me how to unsubscribe - all my attempts have > failed and this is a particularly tedious group. 'sfunny that the closest thing I've seen to a flame here comes from someone who wants to leave... :) With regard to ecto-bounces, it's often important to know if mail has failed to reach someone (well sometimes important anyway)... are people suggesting they be surpressed completely? I think I already said something about lyrics/music/listening didn't I? I thought I'd add that many many songs have drawn me with music to have me come to love them for the lyrics foremost... and I always feel frustrated if I don't have lyrics to a song which brings me to a question I keep meaning to ask but forgetting to - having TWW vol 1 playing while writing that last bit kinda triggered my memory :) Is there somewhere I can get the lyrics for the rarities in the TWW box set? I'd dearly like to find them... I feel quite guilty about being drawn to songs because of the music... it sonds a bit like being attracted to people because of good looks rather than who they are... but having said that, I think the music and the expressiveness of the vocals are a very important part of a song... (listening to "Not This Time"...) Philip (who doesn't have a degree in medieval anything, but who does own a fairly ancient computer and modem :) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 4:32:51 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Global Alert For All: Happy is coming soon! NeIl gives me a heart attack, then makes it better: > Okay, I'm just kidding. I'm not going to mail such nonsense to the > list! :) You wouldn't believe how I jumped when I saw that Subject Line! > (for those folks who don't know what the heck I'm talking about, some > narbo bombarded just about every single Usenet newsgroup with a > religious diatribe a day or two ago. It was the usual "the world is > coming to and end so go and read your Bible and, oh, by the way *this* > is what you should believe" kind of message. Naturally this antisocial > behaviour has made a lot of people very angry. Just for fun a friend > ran through the Usenet database here at SFU and found 3000 "Jesus is > coming" and related messages. 3000! Such incredible waste of > bandwidth!) NO KIDDING!! That creep gives bible-thumpers a bad name! I couldn't believe it, that message was *EVERYWHERE*! I fully expect it to be in tomorrow's Love-Hounds digest, since everything sent to rec.music.gaffa automagically goes to the digest too. That guy's not long for the net anyway. He, and the postmaster at his site are probably being *BOMBARDED* with complaints and hate mail. I personally wrote to his postmaster, *AND* I mailed the dickhead a few Happy gifs (the covers of I, II & Ecto, thought he'd enjoy them) though I fully expect to get them back via bounce. There are few mail files in the world big enough to hold all the mail that guy's going to get. "narbo"? what's that? Honest, I have *nothing* against "bible-thumpers" because I respect the faiths of those who choose to believe. I tune it all out (unless, of course, they happen to be activists trying to make/change laws that affect my life or the lives of others who don't believe in exactly the same things thumpers do) but this kind of thing is outrageous! Speaking of the LA earthquake(s) (as that guy was), my *HUGS* and wishes well go to the LA Ectophiles who felt/were a part of/have to live with the results of it. Speaking of earthquakes and bible-thumpers, if I hear one more person say they survived "because of god" I'm going to puke! That kind of thing made me furious even when I *did* believe. I just despise the whole concept of "if * survived, it was god's blessings" and "if * died, it was god's will." I heard one woman, who was in that apartment complex and got out, say "god was looking after me." Which of course, means that god was *not* looking after the 16 people who were crushed and killed. Plane crashes, wars, floods, disease...no matter what the circumstance, you never fail to hear that offensive phrase being uttered by some of the survivors. Gag me with a bible. Sorry if that offends anyone, but as I said, I thought the same way even when I was "religious." The god *I* believed in wasn't such a bastard as these "survivors" would have people believe. (And yeah, that's how I always looked at it. These people think they're saying something nice about god, but they *are* saying he's a right royal bastard. I'm sure they'd disagree.) Anyway, I always can't help but wonder what the families of the people who died in X-disaster think when they hear a survivor speak like that. > Anyway, it does make me think, though. I've noticed that a whole slew > of bitnet listservs have been gatewayed to Usenet. Has there been any > considering of gatewaying ecto? I sincerely hope that nobody's > thinking of doing this. I think a good part of ecto's unique flavour > is that you have to sign up for it, so it's a private space. Usenet, > much as I enjoy its anarchic feel, is a public space where any idiot > can barge through with his Jesus posting. (or whatever) This has been brought up before (recently too, but I can't remember who said it, sorry) and the thing is, Ecto *is* gatewayed to newsgroups in many different places. Rutgers, for one. Brown Univ., Alaska, Norway, Australia...lots of places. It isn't Usenet-wide, but it still amazes me that casual browsers who stumble onto the newsgroup have never once caused Ecto trouble. That's so nice! (I was going to answer your post via the Rutgers newsgroup, but it hadn't appeard there yet. Mail is always faster.) Vickie ps, terry kroetsch, good riddance, oh tedious one ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 09:38:02 GMT From: imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) Subject: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon >>>>> "Neil" == neilg writes: Neil> (for those folks who don't know what the heck I'm talking about, Neil> some narbo bombarded just about every single Usenet newsgroup Neil> with a religious diatribe a day or two ago. Well, not all of them, but a fair proportion. Best response I saw was in gnu.emacs.vm.info. VM is a mail reading package for the GNU Emacs editor/ total-computing-environment :) written by Kyle Jones; he's been releasing new beta versions every couple of days, just recently. His response: Clarence L. Thomas, IV writes: > The earthquake in Los Angeles, California, the flood in > Europe, the seemingly unstoppable war in the former > Yugoslavia, the devastating fires in Australia, the flood in > the Midwest of the United States of America, the devastating > fires near Los Angeles, California, the rapid and appalling > increase in violence in cities, towns, villages all over the > world, the famines, the diseases, [...] Fixed in VM 5.47. ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)