Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #972 ecto, Number 972 Tuesday, 18 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: ecto #958 LA County Windham Hill/High Street Records/J&R Music World Chris' Heros unsubscribe Re: Word (Up!) Ohpelia temporarily unsuscribe Hubble Bubble Toil and Trouble ok, i felt that one that time... Greek Geek Can't in Latin More Jane The 30/30/30 rule Bound By The Beauty... Gather in San Francisco soon?? Today's your birthday friend.... Ectofete pt.1 Citizen Masonite ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 12:44:48 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: ecto #958 At 2:53 pm 14/1/94 -0800, Rod Bourland wrote: >Why can't I ever seem to get mail to you for inclusion in this digest? It >is always being returned. I will try one more time. I have been trying to >tell a very true story about how being on the IRC in the #ECTO channel >with Fili and Dreaming and they very literally saved my life. But before >I go into detail I want to make sure that this is getting out. Hi! Revvie! Night(owl/wol) here. The message above certainly got out to the list OK, so it looks like things are working OK now. You may find you get bounce messages from individuals who cannot receive Ecto messages even when the messages have sucessfully gone out to the vast majority of the list. This is a quirk of the way the mailing list is setup at Rutgers. It's the kind of thing mailing lists normally hide from you, but once you realise that it doesn't mean nobody's got the message it can be quite useful to know who's not receiving at the time. Anyway, Rod/revvie... It's great to see you in the pages of Ecto the mailing list, as well as on the #ecto irc channel. Please post your irc story! Even though I know it already, I'm really looking forward to it being published here... -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** New .sig quote currently under construction. *** ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Jan 94 09:01:42 EST From: ken@zeus.st.3com.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: LA County The radio has been reporting for the last hour about a 6.6 quake that happened at 4:30am Pacific Time... Not much news yet, hopefully few to none were hurt... but at least part of one freeway collapsed (Santa Monica Freeway?) Any ectophiles in Southern California? -ken ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Jan 94 07:34:40 PST From: tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov (Troy J. Shadbolt) Subject: Windham Hill/High Street Records/J&R Music World Well, y'all were right about Windham Hill owning High Street- but I told you I couldn't remember the name (good enough excuse?) Anyway, if anybody wants it; W.H/H.S have an agreement with J&R Music World to handle all mail order. The phone # is 1-800-345-8502 prices don't show s&h or sales tax. It also says in the Occasional that these prices are good only in the U.S. by phone. So: Siberry, Jane 1. No Borders Here #OA-0302 CD $12.99 tape $7.99 2. The Speckless Sky #OA-0305 CD $12.99 tape $7.99 Hall, Kristen 1. Fact & Fiction #10316 CD $10.99 tape $6.99 For those who haven't heard of Kristen Hall, here is the little mini-intro that is included in the Occasional: "An opening act for the Indigo Girls, Kristen Hall has built a loyal following. On _Fact & Fiction_, her rich and raspy voice projects a rare intimacy, backed up by a cast of supporting players that includes Cindy Wilson (B-52's) and John Ashton (Psychedelic Furs). As _Interview_ acclaims, ' A thirteen-song suite of helplessly honest emotion.' " There is a partial sample of one track included on the W.H. Sample CD that came with the catalog; sounds pretty interesting. Oh, whats this about an Ecto Party in the Bay Area? Dish children. troy. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 11:44:28 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Chris' Heros Brian has thrown down the gauntlet (or at least a glove made of very fine Italian leather). What little pride I can take in hailing (actually, it's snowing here at the moment) from Long Island is grounded in the Italian food available there. If anyone finds him/herself on "The Island" and in the Babylon/Deer Park area, I cannot emphasize the importance of seeking out an Italian deli called Italian Food World (Great name, huh?) enough. There, they make "Italian Combo (Heros)" something like this: 1) BREAD: Brian has the bread right, at least. 2) COLDCUTS: My apologies to the veg(etari)ans who may be offended by this section, but here 'goes: Prosciutto (pro ZHOOT) Capacola (gobba GOL) Slicing Pepperoni (SLY sing pep per OH nee) Genoa Salami (GEN o ah sa LAHM ee). These MUST all be imported (from Italy, or at least from Astoria Queens, NY). 3) CHEESE: One word.... PROVOLONE. 4) MISCELLANEOUS: Marinated Cherry Peppers and Eggplant Slices. .----------------------------------------------------------------------. | Most of the things we were told in Indonesia turned out to be false; |. | sometimes immediately. The only exception to this was when we were |\| | told that something would happen immediately, in which case it turned |\| | out to be false over an extended period of time. |\| | .-----------------------|\| | -Douglas Adams | Chris Sampson |\| | (From "Last Chance to See") | chris@neuron.uchc.edu |\| `-----------------------------------------------`-----------------------'\| \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\| `------------------------------------------------------------------------' ======================================================================== From: mklprc@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jan 94 11:53:34 EST Subject: unsubscribe Hi. Please stop the feed for a while. I am going out of town and must suspend my subscriptions. (Wish I had a Powerbook for world access). Michael mklprc@aol.com ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 09:26:06 -0800 (PST) From: Emily Breed Subject: Re: Word (Up!) Ohpelia On Sun, 16 Jan 1994, Uli wrote: > Another thing to remember is that Latin during its use which spanned more than 1000 > years or somesuch (<700 BC to >300 AC) will have changed quite a lot. English > didn't really exist 1000 years ago, and noone who's not specially trained would > understand the German spoken then. Not entirely music-related (tho' I love them Gregorian chants :-) ), but if anyone's even remotely interested, a beginning historical linguistics class is a lot of fun. I took a linguistics class this past summer, and found the historical ling section one of the most interesting and fascinating. Analyzing cognates in English & German & whathaveyou to discover what the proto-word was, learning about Grimm's Law of German fricative changes, finding out about the Middle English "Great Vowel Shift" - it was wonderful! -- Emily (will perform morphophonemics for food or cds) Breed ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Jan 94 13:01:27 From: dbburke@mit.edu (Diane Burke) Subject: temporarily unsuscribe Hi. please temporarily unsuscribe me. I'm having e-mail problems =-0 and need to decrease messages received in order to correct the problems. Individuals can still send messages if so inspired. Thanks, :-) Diane ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 13:03:52 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Hubble Bubble Toil and Trouble Hey, Who WAS is who posted on here about the Hubble.gifs available on the two addresses????? Hello, whoever you are! I'm having some difficulty telnetting to those....oh, wait, NOW I realize...I should be ftp-ing. Duh! Any other help would be appreciated, but until then.... Never mind. -Miss Emily Litella ======================================================================== From: rhogan@chaph.usc.edu (Ron Hogan) Subject: ok, i felt that one that time... Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 10:05:27 -0800 (PST) wheeeeee! I'm okay, though. Just some cosmetic damage to the apt. walls. Ron Hogan LA ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 13:22:09 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Greek Geek Can't in Latin Angelos, A heartfelt Efxaristo for not berating me for missing the obvious fact that -philia is a GREEK (not LATIN, as any GREEK...especially one who commented at length....should know) word. Someone here is from Philadelphia, no? Certainly these folk know that the Greek derivation is the reason for calling it "the city of brotherly love".... Uli ulied: words to the effect, that; I shouldn't "worry" about pronouncing Latin "correctly". Upon remembering/rereading my post, I realize that I wasn't at all clear....What Uli said, is exactly what I was going on about. There is a furor over "mispronounced" Latin words, and it's interesting that certain snobs correct other certain snobs as to the "correct" pronunciation of Curriculum Vitae. I (as I assume others are) am interested in the ACCEPTED/COMMON pronunciations. No snobs here... BTW, I am wont to say cur RIK yew lum VIH tay, though I don't know why, maybe I was Roman several previous lifetimes ago....:). Hope that cleared it up. Chris ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Jan 94 14:17:51 EST From: BOUTAME@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu Subject: More Jane Hi! With all this Jane talk happening, I thought I would add my little bits of anecdotal knowledge to this thread. Vickie had posted some old stuff regarding "The Walking" and Jane's breakup with John Switzer. When I saw Jane in SF doing her "Concert that's not a concert" thing, during the question-and-answer part someone asked her if we could expect another epic like "The Walking"--sort of a silly question if you ask me since WIWAB is quite an epic to me, although of a different sort, but this is completely besides the point. Anyway her answer to that question was, "Well, he's happily married and has a child now, so, no I don't think so." The way she said it was pretty funny and everyone laughed, but at the same time you kind of went "ouch". There was also some discussion about "The White Tent The Raft". The first time I saw Jane was soon after TW came out. Before she played "The White Tent The Raft" she talked about the song and how she wrote it. She sort of described it as this journey about going down the river on a raft, the white tent being the sail, and she's describing what she sees as she's going along. So she's going down this river and I guess there's a lot of trees and stuff on the shore and every once in a while she comes to a clearing. So there's parts in the song that repeat and parts that only appear once. The parts that only appear once are the "clearings". While she was writing it she had each clearing written on a separate sheet of paper and she had this stuff all over the room and before she knew it she had about 20 minutes worth of music, or something like that, so she had to cut it down. Anyway, she described it much better than my vague memory could (obviously), but that's the general idea. "The White Tent The Raft" is the first Jane song I ever heard. A good friend of mine had just bought the album and sat me down and said, "Tamar, you gotta hear this" and left the room. By the time he returned a few minutes later, I was already in awe. And the rest, as they say, is history........ --Tamar (boutame@yalevm.ycc.yale.edu) P.S. I hope those of you in southern California are all right! ======================================================================== Date: 17 Jan 94 14:30:48 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: The 30/30/30 rule Neal writes: |I recently bought Kirsty MacColl's Electric Landlady and have sort of |mixed feelings about it. I think about half of it is great, but a |lot of it sounds very cluttered. Too many instruments and a muddy mix |take away from the pretty voice and clever lyrics. I didn't find |this happening with Kite, which I think is a superior album (but one |I have had longer too). The parts that I like make a great short |album. How does Titanic Days compare? I find Titanic Days to be more consistent. I prefer Titanic Days to Electric Landlady. Highly recommended. Much closer to Kite. Anyone know when the back catalog (Desperate Chars, etc.) gets released on CD, like she said it would in concert? |I've listened to the Story's Angel at my Table a bit more, and like it |a little bit better. This was still a major disappointment for me, and |I still find it to be a little to formless and meandering, and I am not |really excited by the voices. Still, I have come to enjoy some of the |songs, which is more than I expected from initial listens and the concert. You mean Angel in the *House*. I liked their first album, Grace in Gravity, quite a bit better. For me, it was more creative, songwriting-wise and instrumentation-wise. In fact, Grace in Gravity is one of the best albums I've ever heard. Many moments of sheer brilliance (esp. circus, Our Faces My Heart..., Over Oceans, and love is more thicker than forget). I would highly recommend this one too. (but it took me many listens to get to this point so beware...) Neil K: |And I say "pop" and not "soda" as well, like most Canadians. :) No way. Most hosers say "soda". No question. Val: |The cover features this scrumptious picture of our red-haired goddess Hey, anyone can dye their hair red like Tori does. Big deal. |"I never knew what a big difference there was between 30 degrees and 20 |degrees..." -- Valerie, on almost any day in Chicago. Actually, you probably made the right choice staying in Sat. night, weather-wise. Although it was good to see Maestro, it was darn cold out there, even just walking to the car and driving till it warmed up. It's supposed to be -30 tomorrow (Tue.)! Beware the 30/30/30 rule: -30 degrees (Fahr.) + 30 M.P.H. winds = 30 seconds before exposed flesh freezes (yikes!) The good news is that Maestro will continue to play without Clem (who is actually Bo's son, not his brother!) and Bob (the trumpet guy)... they'll be playing Tuesdays at some club in Chicago the name of which slips my mind. -mjm ======================================================================== From: freeform@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jan 94 15:16:20 EST Subject: Bound By The Beauty... Hello.. Vickie: I agree with what you said recently about _Bound By The Beauty_ and "Everything Reminds Me Of My Dog"! This is a great album. It is definitely not for everyone though. I was really taken aback when I first heard this album. It is so different from her others. A few months ago I was completely shocked to hear the title track from this album on DMX (digital music express), on the "folk rock" channel.. The same day I heard that, they also played Sarah's "Drawn To The Rhythm". Speaking of Sarah, I don't seem to be as big a fan of hers as some of the other Ectophiles. I have _Touch_ and _Solace_ and I like them, but they don't seem to 'click' for me in a big way. I don't have her new album yet (I'm waiting for the U.S. release), so maybe this one will do it for me..? Charles ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 14:13:59 -0500 (EST) From: Mary_C._Tabasko@transarc.com Subject: Gather in San Francisco soon?? Hey, all. What's this about an Ecto gathering in San Francisco? I'm a bit behind in digests, so if a date has been decided, I'd love to know. I will be in SF on 25-28 January for business (teaching a class), and it would be neat to get together with some Ecto-types, especially since I know no-one in SF personally. Thanks a bunch!! -- Kate ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Mon, 17 Jan 1994 07:09:54 Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* *** Dennis G Parslow ** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dennis G Parslow Fri January 17 1964 SDCN Ilka Heber Mon February 1 1965 Mermaid Bob Lovejoy Sun February 2 1947 Aquarius Diane Burke Sat February 2 1963 slow children Stephen Thomas Fri February 4 1966 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Jan 94 13:18:21 PST From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Ectofete pt.1 Hi, Since the ecto-goddess-lady Jessica will be visiting SF this week, this is a call to Northern Californian ectophiles interested in a public gathering in the city this Wednesday (Jess, is that OK?) A place that could accomodate a fairly sized crowd, and where we can converse in volume :) seems like Chevy's at the Embarcadero (a mexican chain with pretty good food and margaritas) where we can assemble, dine and then head to North Beach for coffee etc. The *real* ectofete chez moi is in the works, with some ectophiles expressing interest already, but will probably take place in the end of the month or the first week of February. So if you can't make the first one there is always the other one to look forward to. Let's see what we can organize for Wednesday. Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 17 Jan 94 13:39:52 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Ectofete pt.1 > Since the ecto-goddess-lady Jessica will be visiting SF this week, this > is a call to Northern Californian ectophiles interested in a public gathering > in the city this Wednesday (Jess, is that OK?) A place that could accomodate > a fairly sized crowd, and where we can converse in volume :) seems like > Chevy's at the Embarcadero (a mexican chain with pretty good food and > margaritas) where we can assemble, dine and then head to North Beach for > coffee etc. Hey, I'll go anywhere Emily can drive me. :) Seriously, though, Embarcadero seems like a nice central location, easily BART-able, and all that. Besides, Chevy's margaritas and salsa are to die for! They're like butter! (hmm... butterscotch margaritas...) Especially after standing for hours and hours at WOMAD, eh Angelos & Em? > > The *real* ectofete chez moi is in the works, with some ectophiles expressing > interest already, but will probably take place in the end of the month > or the first week of February. So if you can't make the first one there is > always the other one to look forward to. First week of February is sehr busy for me, I'm afraid; I'm organizing two, count 'em, two College Bowl tournaments that week. Sunday the 6th would be fine, though. I'm glad you're willing to host the ectofete, Angelos. This means I don't have to clean my apartment! :) D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 18 Jan 94 05:34:10 +1100 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Citizen Masonite Another 200 EctoMessages to catch up on. Life is cruel and so so sweet at the same time... :) I've been listening to a couple of new things this week in between plays of Tori's album... "Euphoria" - Insides This is a strange one - on the Guernica label run by 4AD, this two-piece UK band that used to be called Earwig do a kind of SylvianSakamotoesque mellow instrumental thing with lots of sequenced instruments, and someone named Kirsty Yates breathes over the top. The songs are nice in a muzak-y kind of way, but the lyrics are wonderful, especially when read off the page. They're almost exclusively about sex and relationships. Best "album about sex" since "Love Life" by Berlin, methinks... (and by the way, I'm still trying to find the Terri Nunn solo album, but that's another story.. :-) Here's an example: "Skykicking" ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Things move slowly, my heart is racing. Butterfingers, things slip through my hands, I watch them breaking. Out of boredom and frustration, I had to find a new obsession - hygiene. Spend all day, every day, removing traces of sexual activity. Regrets. Shave my arms, my legs, my head, paint the room red and turn the heat up full until I sweat. I lie surrounded by shit because I'm only any good at making mess. Regression. I still want. And I can drool when I am hungry and smile when I am happy. Frustration has no voice. You can have anything. You take take everything. That's exactly how they're laid out in the CD booklet, too. There are some cool lyrics on that album. I also bought "So Tonight That I Might See" by Mazzy Star, and am quite pleasantly surprised at it. Everyone kept saying "Doors, Janis Joplin, so laid back it's amazing" about this band. NME said the new album was boring compared to the first. I knew I had to hear it when I read the live review they printed. Though there are a couple of annoyingly doodly blues-inspired tracks on there, the CD is worth its weight in gold for "Fade Into You" and "Five String Serenade", as well as "Mary Of Silence" which is as close to The Doors as this album gets. Singer Hope Sandoval also shares a surname with an Ectophile! :-) As a whole, this is one perfect late-night record. Now, to some posts: Vickie says: > was Re: Space Doggie Dog. Woof. > (I love that Subject line...I couldn't delete it completely) :-) While meanwhile Mike Mendelsohnises: > Anthony Horangues in his Subject: > |Space Doggie Dog. Woof. > > Hey, did you just make that up or does it have some > relevance or source? I gots to know. Just my twisted mind working overtime again. Two sources for that subject line: - I was listening to "Space Dog" on the new Tori Amos album, and - That day I'd been sent a press release about rap artist Snoop Doggy Dog (who's up on murder charges, apparently). The "woof" was a bonus, added in a fit of whimsy before I sent the article. Emily agrees with Vickie about a narrow-minded journalist: > Hear, hear. To listen to some people, there's only room for one female > singer in the music world, and anyone else who comes later is either > stealing from the first one, or "hasn't learned anything from" her. I third that emotion. :-) Down this end of the world, Margot Smith has had Kate Bush and Tori Amos brought up in *every single interview* she's done. Ever. How about this, from an article in 'New Woman" magazine: | 'Sleeping With The Lion', her debut release, is also very ethereal, very | spiritual and highly personalised. Being a woman with long hair, there are | the inevitable, erroneous comparisons with Kate Bush. That's like a double-barrled assault, isn't it? Mention Kate Bush in terms of "everyone else is going to compare her to Kate Bush, but I know better so I won't" which of course is just a right-on way of comparing her to Kate Bush. And what's this "being a woman with long hair" thing anyway? Heck, I don't see Lita Ford being compared to Kate Bush...! :-) Chris Farmer apologises: > darn, forgot to include this -- > > (WARNING: No Happy Anywhere) Chris, this is Ecto! You don't need to put warnings at the start of posts. There's no such thing as off-topic here! :-) Alex writes about bounces from some accounts that go to us all: > I've been meaning to ask if we can prevent them from being sent to the > posters. If the ecto listserv included an "Errors-To: > ecto-errors@ns1..." field, like on gaffa, would that help much? (I > get gaffa as a newsgroup so I don't know how much it helps there.) The Amiga ListSERV 2.0 I run the Margot mailing list with as of a couple weeks ago puts an "-error" address in the "envelope" field, which apparently is where bounced messages return to rather than the "From" address. Errors and bounces can then be absorbed at the list host. Shouldn't be too hard to alter the server on Rutgers to do that... maybe? :) Angelos asks: > Nicky Holland > Who is this person? I got this for 50c, and it's just a disc with title > tracks. Nothing else. It's sort of jazzy and moody. Listenable. She's the keyboard player who toured with Tears For Fears after they released their "Songs From The Big Chair" album, and she has done a pile of other stuff, both session and live work with many bands. I can find out details if you like - just remind me! Bob Lovejoy ruminates on the absurd... > selection. I asked the droidette if they had One Dove, and she said > they didn't carry it but had received a promo disc. She wasn't allowed > to sell it, so she gave it to me! It contains four songs: > White Love: Yes! (guitar paradise edit) Yes! Indeed! But wait'll you hear the REAL version. Andy Weatherall produced the One Dove album, and like he did on the Primal Scream album "Screamadelica" he has taken the songs and reworked them into 7 to 10 minute long dub epics. "White Love" suffers greatly for this, and when the "Guitar Paradise Mix" is presented on the album as the standard album version of the song, it's a bit disappointing. The UK CD includes Stephen Hague's mixes of "White Love" and "Breakdown" at the end of the disc, and once you hear these, I know you'll agree :-) I actually taped this album on DAT off my housemate's copy, and programmed the CD player to insert the Hague versions of those two songs and stick the dubfest versions at the end. :^) > Breakdown: in the same vein... (radio edit) That's the Hague version, possibly. But maybe not. :) > Fallen: sounds a bit more like Madonna than Kate Not Kate comparisons again! :-) I like this dreamy pop feel of this track. > Why Don't You Take Me: more funky than the others. I also like an album track called "There Goes The Cure" - very atmospheric, and seems to be unrelated to THAT band :-) > Overall, lots of samples. Mono drum sound, probably sampled. Actually, some is, some isn't. From the album credits: Additional musicians: Eddie Higgins - drums and percussion on "Fallen" and precussion loop on "Breakdown" Jagz Kooner - additional drum and percussion on all tracks except "Fallen" and "Breakdown" > It reminded one of the audio engineers a little of Zooropa, but > "not as clean". It's *much* cleaner production-wise than "Zooropa"! More bass-heavy, though. Here's the track listing of the UK version, accept no substitute in case they've changed it for the US... Fallen White Love (Guitar Paradise Mix) Breakdown (Cellophane Boat Mix) There Goes The Cure Sirens My Friend Transient Truth Why Don't You Take Me White Love (Piano Reprise) Breakdown (Radio version) White Love (Radio version) And that's all from me, it's 5.30am and I just realised I've been sitting here for 2 and a half hours reading through Ecto and rdt. Yipes! Time for me to get, in order, some sleep, a life, and to work on some urgent writing that has to be finished! :-) May the fuzz be with you (the blue, non-police kind of fuzz :-) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)