Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #967 ecto, Number 967 Friday, 14 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* classics, as well... Re: Not only did I find God... Oven Grinders Subs & grinders NYC AREA PHILES TAKE NOTE Waiting For Ectot just a friendly reminder synchronicity Re: synchronicity Re: Any info on Eddi Reader HaPpY Birthdays Re: Ecto-MUD? Re: synchronicity Re: classics, as well... Hubble Telescope. Re: Urgent bulletin and other stories Pianosphere ======================================================================== From: mbravo@tctube.spb.su (Michael E. Bravo) Subject: classics, as well... Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 23:31:17 +0300 (MSD) A while back I promised to nightowl on IRC to post about the classic music concert I was going to attend, and so I do, though a little late :) It was a violin plus piano concert, with Mikhail Rikhter, Russia, playing the violin and Charles Owen, Great Britain, playing the piano. They played Bach, Beethoven, Ravel, Tchaikovsky, Novachek and Brams for two hours, and it was just great. I think I liked Ravel the most. It was ages since I heard violin live, and I enjoyed it very much. The moral of the story - don't miss the next live classic concert near you :) Now let's get to the Ecto digests :) Philip Sainty writes: > Philip (who visited Mike's room in TinyTim today :) Did you? :) How nice... Wait a moment, I thought it was locked? :) And what a shame, it is still quite bare... but I have a good excuse :) - I'm going to be busy building my new room and other stuff in the EctoWorld MUD, so the TinyTIM place will be out of order, possibly... and, no, I won't say where the EctoWorld is... yet :) Thanks to Jeff and Erik, who were the first to explain the oxenfree thing. Sure, we also have hide-and-seek here, but by a wholly meaningless coincidence we've never cried 'Ally Ally Oxenfree' or anything like that :) - in fact, I don't think there was any traditional call to an end in our version of h&s. OBTW, in russian hide-and-seek is 'pryatki'. I still haven't got any suggestions or tries at Happy's word portrait... where're all that people who saw her performing live? :) Happy birthday to Chris Sampson! And to Dennis Parslow as well (I'm afraid I won't get to post until 17th again :) )! WRT coffee terms (Boston/regular) - in St.Peterburg (ex-Leningrad) there is a whole subculture of coffee freaks, and therefore a whole set of terms designed specifically for coffee consumption. Like, there are single and double coffees, and simultaneously you can say whether it can be big or small. Experts could order very_small_very_triple_coffee :) Finally, I promised Emily to post about net shopping.... here's what info I have nearby at the moment: 1) this one you probably know - CDC at holonet.net telnet holonet.net login as cdc 2) online bookstore - point of your gopher at nstn.ns.ca select "Other gophers in Nova Scotia" select "Roswell Electronic Computer Bookstore" 3) on the same gopher, nstn.ns.ca, check the "NSTN Electronic shopping mall" item 4) There's also some kind of online bookstore at books.com - though I haven't tried it 5) another multipurpose e-shop is claiming to be located at columbia.ilc.com - try telnetting there Well, probably all for now... -- Michael E. Bravo AKA /\/\ike 7 812 231 3951 (home) The Communication Tube and Tusovka, Inc. mbravo@tctube.spb.su ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 18:17:35 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Not only did I find God... Meth tarrs: >Bells For Her is played on a prepared piano, and for that I will worship >it forever. (John Cage was redeemed in my mind when my experimental music >class finally got to his prepared piano works. :) A guy I know here in the Bay Area does some pretty cool prepared piano pieces. In one piece, he puts pens under some of the strings and, when played, they sound a bit like African percussion. In another piece he flosses a string with a "cryowire", resulting in a sound not unlike the call of a humpback whale. He's got a CD out, _Pianosphere_, but no distributor as of yet. I think it's pretty cool, myself. Oh, by the way, his name is S. Eric Scribner. Hopefully you'll hear him on Hearts of Space one of these days. D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 19:13:50 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: Oven Grinders Perhaps an Oven Grinder is like an Organ Grinder. Chefs cranking up the oven while a monkey hops around begging for change. WHat sort of entertainment do they have in the resteraunt. SPeaking of entertainment in Chicago (sort of), last night I saw Blink, which is filmed in Chicago and prominantly features a band calle The Drovers, which I was led to believe was a Chicago band. It's quite a good thriller about a blind violinist (who plays for the band in the movie, if not in real life) who sort of witnesses a murder. Not to be confused with the movie last year with a blind witness who was Uma Thurman. Blink has a lot more interesting twists and turns, characters, and symbolism, as well as some cool filtering tricks. This was the first movie in the San Diego INternational Film Festival, which goes on for the next few months about a mile from my home. So, I"ve got a pass and plan to be there regularly. Blink was directed by Michael Apted (the 7 Up documentary series, lots of British television, Guerillas in the Mist, Thunderheart, Coal MIners Daughter). He was at the showing with the screenwriter, Dana ???, and they answered questions afterwards. I thought that was quite interesting. I asked if they had to make any dramatic changes to her script, and if the final result was essentially how she envisioned it. She said that she was on the set a lot and had input throughout the process. The biggest change they made was that Madeline Stowe suggested that her character be a musician rather than a poet. I thought that was a great idea, certainly a lot more visually interesting. After that there was a nice reception (chocolate fondue, yummmmmmmmmmm) where they mingled about with the few of us that continued to hang around. They were quite approachable and happy to talk about there experiences making the movie. Oh, if you've seen the trailer (Things ... Are ... Not ... Always ... WHat ... They ... Seem), the movie is nowhere near as frantic as that, although it was pretty intense and frightening sometimes. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 18:48:59 PST From: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) Subject: Subs & grinders Mitch mentions: |> WRT the many names for subs: The university from which I received my degrees |> is situated in a neighborhood which is generally acknowledged to be the sub |> capital of metropolitan Chicago, with two of the area's leading sub shops loca- |> ted across the street from each other. I have never heard them referred to in |> this town as anything but subs, except that there's a restaurant on the north |> side called the Chicago Pizza and Oven Grinder Co. Whether an oven grinder=a |> grinder=a sub I don't know, inasmuch as I've never eaten there. It's also a |> wild card where the oven enters into it, since I've never seen a sub marketed |> on raw bread dough. Whether the bread is baked there with or without the cold |> cuts inserted is, therefore, a mystery :-). Actually, there was a Chicago-style oven grinder shop down in Champaign/Urbana, where I received *my* degree. At this place, the grinder was similar to a sub, but the meat and cheese were placed on the bread, and that stage was baked like a pizza. Then the lettuce/tomato/etc. were added, and the result was served & eaten like a sub. I've never seen them out here, more's the pity. I don't suppose one would survive being delivered this far away. I think I'm outside their delivery zone. :-) Erik I've gotta get dinner. This is making me hungry. :-) ____________________________________________________________________________ Erik N. Johnson Don't believe the return address. KLA Instruments Corp. The one and only True Address is: San Jose, CA e_johnso@kla.com. G E/CS d-- -p+ c++(++++) l u+ e- m++(--)* s+/+ !n h f+ g(+) w+ t@ r+@ y+(*) Your name is being called by sacred things That are not addressed nor listened to -- KB ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 22:57:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: NYC AREA PHILES TAKE NOTE Hi! I just talked with my bestest friend, who lives in New York City. She was paging through a copy of the Village Voice as we chatted, and she came across a full-page ad for The Bottom Line, which is apparently celebrating its 20th anniversary. At the bottom of this ad was the following: Thursday, February 3 JANE SIBERRY with special guests SHAWN COLVIN and VICTORIA WILLIAMS Nothing about time or price, but I'm going to find that out as soon as I can. I'm there!!! Anybody else interested? (Tamar???) Meredith meth@delphi.com hangin' with the raisin girls ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 01:34:00 BST Subject: Waiting For Ectot Hi all: Jeff W., it looks like Vickie from Xcago has posted the entire article of which I spoke. There was a companion piece by the same subhuman moron all about Kate. Actually, the "influences" article was the companion to the Kate one. I must agree, Mr. Moon is way out in left field in his article. He has obviously not listened to much Happy; a situation that may be rectified when he gets the CD Susanne plans to send to him. Then again it might be a case of throwing Pearls before Swine (anybody remember that band? They were on the ESP label, along with the Fugs.)(ESP liner notes were in Esperanto.)(But I digress.) There is a great scene in Beckett's "Waiting For Godot" in which Vladimir and Estragon, bored with waiting for Godot, amuse themselves by insulting each other. Starting out with epithets like "swine" and "moron", they increase their hatred until one of them cries out "Critic!", which effectively precludes worse insults. Anyway: After three years of nearly constant use, my VCR has worn out. The repairman did not think it would be cost effective to repair the unit, so I'm off on the search for a new one. I wonder if those things can be leased, considering how useless old ones are. It's amazing how much use that thing got. I used its HiFi tracks to record CDs with better fidelity than my cassette deck could muster; my younger son watches movies as I used to listen to albums; my wife timeshifts her "stories"... Thanks, Mitch, for the WBEZ info. I'll pass it along! Well, guess I'll go listen to my latest bootleg, a fantasy duet between Prince and Donna Summer entitled "N2O U Baby!"... +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com+ Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ PS Congrats John S. on the New Improved Hubble! ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 00:18:59 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (world serve your own needs) Subject: just a friendly reminder _fumbling towards ecstacy_ is goddesshead. :) +w ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 00:38:54 CST From: johnh@astro.as.utexas.edu (John Higdon) Subject: synchronicity Just thought that I'd relate a moment of synchronicity (i.e. coincidence, bluntly) that I had today: Yesterday, I subscribed to ecto. I had gotten into Happy's work over the summer, thanks to my love of KB and TA, and what I saw as an undying love of Happy's music by a certain Vickie on the Lovehounds group. I decided to try this new music when I happened to see Ecto at a local chain store called Sound Warehouse. I did not instantly fall in love with the music; I have found that the best music takes time to acclimate to. I next bought Warpaint, and then Equipoise, at different stores. I found HR I&II at Sound Warehouse again. The only CD that I could not seem to find was Rearmament. Well, I got back into town for the semester, and decided to see what Ecto was all about. Than was yesterday (the day before yesterday now, to be technical), as I already have stated. Today, while waiting to get my car fixed, I strode over to a close Sound Warehouse. There was Rearmament. I bought it, of course. I have now a complete set of beautiful Happy's music. I forgot to mentions that I had purchased Rhodesongs somewhere in there, too. I'll have to see about checking the FTP site tomorrow. Right now, I have a CD to listen to! John H ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 2:11:21 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: synchronicity JohnH joins the fun: > Yesterday, I subscribed to ecto. I had gotten into Happy's work over > the summer, thanks to my love of KB and TA, and what I saw as an undying love > of Happy's music by a certain Vickie on the Lovehounds group. Hi John, thank you for posting this! It always makes me feel great to know that I've, in whatever way, (dropped breadcrumbs to follow, pushed, shoved) led someone to Happy's music. Welcome to Ecto! You found all of Happy's CDs at stores? Great! Say, if you ever want to get any of the CD booklets autographed, just send the booklet(s) to Happy and include a sturdy, postage-paid, self-addressed envelope big enough for the booklet(s) directly to Happy. She'll sign and send it/them right back to you. If you do this, please include some kind of letter telling Happy how you found out about her and that you're an Ectophile (they like to know who the net people are) and tell her where you found her CDs (they like to know what stores where are selling the CDs), and always feel free to give any feedback. Happy herself *will* read your letter... at this point, that's guaranteed, and she likes to know about the people who listen to her and what they think. I couldn't guarantee you a response beyond the autograph(s) and possibly a note (she is getting ready to go into the studio to record her next album, so she's pretty busy) but I can assure you she'll read it, and appreciate whatever you write. > ...I strode over to a close Sound Warehouse. There was Rearmament. > I bought it, of course. I have now a complete set of beautiful Happy's > music. Yay, congratulations! > I'll have to see about checking the FTP site tomorrow. Right now, I > have a CD to listen to! We'll want reports, you know :-). (Btw, you have an FAQ?) Soooooo, what's your birthday and shoe size? Welcome again, thanks for posting your Happy story! (And not just 'cause I like seeing my name in print :-), though it certainly warms my heart!) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 2:51:27 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Any info on Eddi Reader Uli roams around in News: > Just found on rec.music.misc: > > In rec.music.misc article <2grqsr$k9p@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> > geoff@tyger.East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) wrote: > > Just got a copy (imported) of "Mirmama" by Eddi Reader with the Patron > > Saints of Indecision. Very nice..... Anyone know what she's up to now? > > Any new recording(s)? ("Mirmama" is (p)1992.) And how's her old band > > (?Fairground Attraction, I think) doing without her? > Anyone of the Eddi Reader fans around here able to help? I mailed him a coupla days ago and told him that she's working on a new album in LA & Toronto, and that I have no info on when it's due to be finished or released. That was all I had time to write at the time. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 08:33:17 +0000 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthdays Here's wishing HAPPY birthdays to Chris Sampson on January 15th and to Dennis Parslow on January 17th. Have great days folks Peace Terry === Only in your eyes lies your soul ========================= Happy Rhodes === _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] Terry (Tel Boy) Partis | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) \_.-._( ''' With a smile and a song - I'm HaPpy Let me sleep awhile and dream of Avalon and the Beltane fires.................. ............................................our souls entwined for all eternity ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 02:04:02 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: Ecto-MUD? Vickie: > Jere-mys: ... > > Vickie complained about the user-unfriendliness of many MU*s. I have > > been MU*ing for months, on and off, and I still spend more time looking > > at help files than I do playing or talking. The problem is how the help > > files are written and presented. > > No kidding! You talked about MicroMuse and gave the address. I went there > long enough to check out the /help file. Here it is, for everyone's > enjoyment (and confusion): > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > /help ...[Much deleted]... > If you are having any sort of problem with TinyFugue and wish to > contact the author, do "/help tinyfugue". ... > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > MECHO? DOKEY? QECHO? triggers? what? I love the idea of an EctoWorld MU* > but I don't have time for this level of gobbledygook. When I enter Well, that was the help for tinyfugue, not the MU*. Tinyfugue is a local program, just like telnet, that you run to connect to places (or worlds). It is customized with lots of bells and whistles for MU*s but you can ignore basically all of that if you want to. The nicest thing about it is that it lets you connect to multiple MU*s (or worlds) at once. > EctoWorld, I want Alice or Tirk to come up to me and offer to show > me around and answer questions for me :-). (I imagine that's an > impossible thing to ask though) Actually, a robot to take people on tours sounds like a good idea. I think answering questions is just about the same as using help though, unless it could be made smart enough to help you figure out help, which sounds pretty tough. AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do \ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." \ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 04:21:17 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Lamb Subject: Re: synchronicity On Fri, 14 Jan 1994, WretchAwry wrote: > Hi John, thank you for posting this! It always makes me feel great to know > that I've, in whatever way, (dropped breadcrumbs to follow, pushed, shoved) > led someone to Happy's music. Welcome to Ecto! So what did you do in my case exceot talk to be about Tori, made me feel welcome in #ecto and got me to hang out there more than any other channel lately? :P > I like seeing my name in print :-), though it certainly warms my heart!) Admit it, you love seeing your name plastered in the little lights of our monitors. :) Steve C. Lamb Sysop, Abcb Cafe (916) 363-1424 24/7/356 2400-14.4K v32bis PGP key CRC: 384/6CFEE3 - Insert funny line from KOR here. When I think of one, I'll do the same - ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 12:20:15 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: classics, as well... At 11:31 pm 13/1/94 +0300, Michael E. Bravo wrote: >A while back I promised to nightowl on IRC to post about the classic music >concert I was going to attend, and so I do, though a little late :) > >It was a violin plus piano concert, with Mikhail Rikhter, Russia, playing >the violin and Charles Owen, Great Britain, playing the piano. They played >Bach, Beethoven, Ravel, Tchaikovsky, Novachek and Brams for two hours, and >it was just great. I think I liked Ravel the most. It was ages since I heard >violin live, and I enjoyed it very much. The moral of the story - don't miss >the next live classic concert near you :) Hi! Mike! Nightowl here. Thanks for posting. Do you remember the names of the pieces that they played? If anybody wants to hear about last Friday's recital by Rostropovich, or the opera I'm going to tonight, let me know. I don't usually post about "classical" gigs as I'm not sure that there's any interest in these ranks! P.S. to Mike: the Tori Tape will be on its way to Russia at the weekend. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** New .sig quote currently under construction. *** ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: Hubble Telescope. Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 05:34:42 -0800 (PST) Although I didn't catch the news conference yesterday at which NASA officials glowingly revealed some nice post-repair photographs taken by the telescope, I did catch a news report on CBC Newsworld. I particularly liked one official's comment, which I scribbled to write down at the time and may have slightly wrong, but basically he said: "I can only use one word to describe images such as these, and that is 'absolutely incredible.'" Wow. That's a neat one word. Is this guy trying to take on the seats vacated by Yogi Berra and Dan Quayle? :) - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jan 94 09:12:26 EST From: ken@zeus.st.3com.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Re: Urgent bulletin and other stories The Word according Mitch: > WRT the many names for subs: The university from which I received my degrees > is situated in a neighborhood which is generally acknowledged to be the sub >capital of metropolitan Chicago, with two of the area's leading sub shops loca- > ted across the street from each other. I have never heard them referred to in > this town as anything but subs, except that there's a restaurant on the north > side called the Chicago Pizza and Oven Grinder Co. Whether an oven grinder=a > grinder=a sub I don't know, inasmuch as I've never eaten there. It's also a > wild card where the oven enters into it, since I've never seen a sub marketed > on raw bread dough. Whether the bread is baked there with or without the cold > cuts inserted is, therefore, a mystery :-). This brings up my big beef with Subway, Inc. They have no *ovens* other than the ones they bake the bread in! Pizza places make the best grinders because they have those wonder pizza ovens that they can TOAST your grinder in!! Toasting makes the difference between an okay italian sub and a great italian grinder! On to the natural followup: milkshakes, frappes, cabinets, AwfulAwful(tm), whathaveyou? I always hate ordering and not ending up with a drink made with ice cream... -ken ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 14 Jan 1994 9:46:47 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Pianosphere Hey, Dave,and everyone else, D^2 mentioned a "pianist" named....oh shit, I forget....anyway, said pianist's music sounds interesting. D^2, do you know the label, so I can see about getting a copy for WHUS??? Chris Sampson chris@neuron.uchc.edu ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)