Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #965 ecto, Number 965 Friday, 14 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Jane 'O Thou Subversive One N2O Re: origin of "Xtian" Re: reviews and such Re: Jane 'O Thou Subversive One Early alley oxen! Free! Re: penlope & medieval stuff Re: Sort of, like, maybe, kind of, you know, u---------h... Re: Lisa Herman/Longhouse info fish, darwin and cars Vickie goes on a paranoid rant :-) nicknames..... ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 7:43:44 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Jane 'O Thou Subversive One Chrismer (told'ja I use nicknames, ask Christo) says: > -Is the album "No Borders Here" representative of Jane Siberry's > voice and other work? picked it up used after hearing the raves, and was > quite dissappointed (no offense meant to her hoardes of fans). No offense taken, though I'd urge you not to give it away or sell it to a used record store. Jane is subversive, and may sneak up on you when you least expect it. I speak from experience, because it took me about a year before Jane "clicked" with me. Chris was a huge fan before I was, but he never pushed me to like her. One day (actually, while watching an interview and not while listening to an album) something happened, similar to someone turning on a light, and I went "OH, YEAH!" and after that I listened to her music with a different mindset. Jane became one of my favorites, after Peter Gabriel & Kate. That was back in 1985, and I've been a fan ever since. When I listened to "No Borders Here" again after my "enlightenment" and really got into getting to know it, almost all the songs grew on me and I came to love them. I did figure out that one reason Jane didn't click with me was because I really couldn't stand the songs "The Waitress" and "I Muse Aloud" (all those "my babys" put me off) so I think that soured my view of the rest of the album. I have since come to like both songs, but for a long time I just started the album on the 3rd song, and they're still my least favorite Jane songs. Anyway, to answer your question, NBH is most "like" the first album ("Jane Siberry") and yet forshadows the 3rd album ("The Speckless Sky") quite nicely. It's most different from "The Walking" and "When I Was A Boy" and "Bound By The Beauty." At the same time....hmmm, well, Jane is Jane, and there's no one like her. In Janeland, there is a definite logical progression from the first to the most recent album. In Janeland, you have to forget everyone/thing else and listen and "accept" on *her* terms. In Janeland, you can start out thinking that you're walking through a simple corridor, and the weird thing about being "enlightened" is that you find that things don't get *easier* to understand, but that things are more complicated than you imagined possible, so you end up realizing that you're *actually* walking through a maze of twisy little passages, all different, and you find that it gets fun, it really does. Those passages aren't always easy to understand (sometimes, impossible) but she can make you think *and* have fun while trying. Her sense of humor is unusual, sharp, yet bent, yet subtle. She's subversive alright, but in the nicest possible way. She's, IMHO, worth some extra effort to try to understand, worth paying extra attention to, and, if nothing else, hanging on to for a while longer. I had a sense of vujaday while typing this, so I went hunting for something I'd written before. I actually found it, edited it a bit, and re-post it here. (Well, not re-post, because it originally appeared in rec.music.gaffa, not Ecto) This was a conversation between another Jane fan, but I was also trying to speak to people who might, um, get interested, hopefully, by the posts (there are 2 here). References to gaffa flame wars going on at the time were taken out (aren't you so lucky!) This was, obviously, before WIWAB was released. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ rec.music.gaffa October, 1991 +++++++++++++++ Vickie here. (Entering IMHOland. Welcome!) Loren Moore says: L> Well, I can't honestly say that all of her stuff is the best in the L> universe, but, I will say that 'The Walking' and 'The Speckless Sky' L> are among the best in the universe. YES!YES!TES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES!YES! L> It seems the whole album's (The Walking) thread is one of breakup, L> isolation, distortions of relationships, and all out despair. L> I can only think that she must have gone through one hell of a L> time to write such moving songs. I believe that she and John Switzer broke up as a couple during the making of this album. If I'd never heard of Jane the above description might tend to set off alarm bells in my head. Who, I might ask, needs another "o woe is me" album? Jane's music is so brilliant (IMHO) though, that it wouldn't matter what the lyrics were saying, but when you do listen to the lyrics, they're not like anybody else's in the universe. She has an amazing ability to see (and write about) things with the most interesting perspectives. The song "Red High Heels" for instance, is about a woman who has just broken up with her lover, and is walking home in the snow. She is drunk and has red high heels on, so she's not doing very well. Thoughts run randomly through her mind, sung in a stream-of-conciousness way. Some are silly, some are profound, some are nonsensical, some are painful. At the end of the song she just gets tired of walking and lies down in the snow. You assume she dies, but it's not a suicide, exactly. A couple of other quick interpretations...we believe that "Lena Is A White Table" is about an autistic child. There are 4 characters in the song. Two sisters, talking about a third (Lena), to the forth, who's never heard from. "The White Tent The Raft" is (again, we believe) about Jane's grandparents. Jane often writes lyrics in a stream-of-conciousness way, changes points of view often and even contridicts herself occasionally. Add on the fact that many of her songs have multiple characters (something like 10 in "The Bird In The Gravel) and her lyrics make for fascinating, interesting, sometimes frustrating, fun. It takes work to figure Jane out, but she's worth it. Of course, all this is IMHO. She isn't for everyone, and it even took me about a year to realize her brilliance. She's subtle and she'll sneak up on the listener who gives her a chance and has the correct mind-set. Her music may sometimes seem simple, until you pay attention and notice all the weird things going on. It might also seem weird, until you pay attention and notice all the normal things that are going on. Stunning! She's a very beautiful person, inside and out. I was lucky enough to see her in concert last year and was able to meet her after the show. I would not hesitate to say that meeting Jane was one of the highlights of my life. In the musical-importance part of my life. Up there, second only to meeting Kate. Up there with seeing Genesis twice when Peter Gabriel was still the lead singer. Up there with getting in touch, and becoming friends with Happy Rhodes. Those are the highest of the highlights for me. Ayya, I could talk about Jane for hours. I've written so many posts about her that I don't want to repeat myself, but, (IMHO), she's a genius. I love all 5 of her albums (and they're all very different from each other) and I'm anxiously awaiting her new album. > To have the ability to move other people in such an intrusive way is a > gift. Thank you for your post, Loren. I couldn't agree more. Vickie (one of two people who flew from Kansas City to Chicago to see Jane) Let's talk dieties... I Kate is God M Jane is Jesus O Happy is The Holy Ghost (You are leaving IMHOland, please come again) Vickie here. (Entering IMHOland, please obey speed limits) Loren says: L> vickie sez: V| I believe that she and John Switzer broke up as a couple during the V| making of this album. L> Thanks for the confirmation here, John Switzer was a co-producer of the L> album. This puts an interesting twist on things. A documentary on Jane exists which was partially filmed during the recording of TW. One scene shows Jane with John sitting right behind her. The focus is on Jane, but if you tear your eyes away and look at John, you can see that he's looking at her with the most loving expression I've ever seen on anyone's face. Knowing that they broke up sometime shortly after this, well, I cry now everytime I see this scene. L> I find people who don't/can't like her music. This frustrates me, as her L> music makes me feel such intensity that I wish others to feel this way. I know how you feel. V| A couple of other quick interpretations...we believe that "Lena Is A V| White Table" is about an autistic child. There are 4 characters in V| the song. Two sisters, talking about a third (Lena), to the forth, V| who's never heard from. L> that can work, I think. My favorite parts in this song are the L> interruptions of the 2 sisters. it really takes a good reading to L> understand these, but the sense of conversation is so real. "First you go up the hill" ("Don't forget to say the church") "The church, why?" ("In case they miss the turn") "Let me do the talking" ("You make mistakes sometimes") "Well so do ("you *never* let me talk") "Yaaa drink your beer" ("This is no suprise") Brilliant! L> the laundry line theme is so mystical. 'nobody knows how far it goes'. I think one of the sisters has had too many beers by this point :-) ("...probably past the edge of the earth maybe") "Oh come ON" L>'Goodbye': I have to say, that I knew the feeling in this song long L> before I knew the words. It's one of my favorites. Yes, I liked what you said. The wail at the end always sends shivers up my spine. V| "The White Tent The Raft" is (again, we believe) about Jane's V| grandparents. L> I have to disagree here, but I also have to say that I haven't L> studied the song as intently as I should. L> this is a very deep, difficult song, and many readings are in order. Maybe no one will *ever* know what this song is really about. L>>> To have the ability to move other people in such an intrusive way is L>>> a gift. V| Thank you for your post, Loren. I couldn't agree more. L> thank you. maybe we should talk! Did you know that Karen and Don of The Innocence Mission are HUGE Jane fans? Jenn pointed out that Karen even used Jane's line "flap and fly" in...uh...my mind's a blank, one of the songs on the new IM album. I think it's "And Hiding Away" but I'm too lazy to go look. L> lorenMo /* another 'kindred spirit' */ Glad to meet you! Say, have you heard of Happy Rhodes? :-) Vickie (one of Chris-who-got-me-into-Jane'n'Vickie) "And the doves up above me, murmuring murmuring" JS (Leaving IMHOland, y'all come back now, hear?) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ (S)he(?) never did get into Happy, as far as I know :-(, but I had to try :-). Vickie ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 11:29:00 BST Subject: N2O OK, N2O. And, just for fun, what if "Ally ally oxen free" was part French? "Allez! Allez!" What if it were all french? The mind boggles. +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com+ Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 08:01:32 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: origin of "Xtian" On Wed, 12 Jan 1994, Alex Gibbs wrote: > I keep seeing Xtian and x-tian written in place of Christian. I'm > just wondering where that originated. Is it just an abbreviation or I suppose this is a bit of a tangent, but I thought I'd share it anyway. Several years ago I was the manager of a Strawberries' record store (a chain popular in the Northeast). While doing a Christmas display for the front window, I was told by the district manager that the word "Christmas" had to be spelled out. In the past, people had complained about the use of the abbreviation, "X-mas" claiming that it was "Putting an 'X' through Christ." I don't know if this complaint has any merit, but I thought it was somewhat interesting. Michael ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 08:06:22 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: reviews and such On Wed, 12 Jan 1994, world serve your own needs wrote: > dalbello - whoman foursays/she: neile sent me a tape of both of these What an excellent analysis of Dalballo's style! Good job, woj! BTW, Dalbello is a she, Lisa Dalbello to be precise. For those interested, but with no access to Canadian imports, Dalbello has a song on the 91/2 weeks soundtrack. The song, incidentally, is called _Black on black_ and has been covered on the new Heart album. (Which I bought used recently. They do a pretty good job at it. Dalbello also co-wrote another song on Heart's album and provides backing vocals.) > uncompromising way. that's pretty incoherent i imagine. musically, it's > pop rock with a heavy reliance on synths from somewhere in the 80s but > the music isn't the focus. the lyrics, sung in a growly, spiky voice, > are where dalbello is at. listening to these albums makes me > uncomfortable, though i'm not sure why. worth checking out. Isn't _Baby doll_ a super song? > various - back to the garden: another treat from neile, this is a > tribute to joni mitchell which is chock full with interesting covers of > joni tunes by lots of canadian bands and artists including martha and Sounds incredible. I'm going to call the CD bar this morning! BTW, I hope you don't mind, but I forwarded the portion of your message regarding Suzanne Vega to her e-mail list. Thanks for the info! Michael ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 08:18:08 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Jane 'O Thou Subversive One Vickie! Thank you for reprinting (oops! reposting) your past Jane discussion. Jane is currently my favorite musical artist, and I will read anything about her. Your post was terrific reading. BTW, I read that "The white tent the raft" was a journey through a life, with the white tent on a raft being a person, and the river and various adventured encountered on it being life. Kind of a precursor to the WIWAB album, hmmm? Thanks! Michael ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 22:45:49 +1100 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Early alley oxen! Free! Hi froody people... I'm still waiting for a confirmation on a time for Jane interview #2, tentatively set for "next week". The press release that her tour publicists out here sent me is amusing, though. "...As mentioned, her style is comparable to Laurie Anderson, Sinead O'Connor and Kate Bush." Tee hee. They also offered to get me a copy of "When I Was A Boy". Goodie. My fourth copy. :) The import I bought after Vickie raved about it, the local review copy, the one they gave me for the last interview, and now another one. I should set up a mail-oder business! Australian Ecto-ers note: Jane Siberry plays Melbourne on Wednesday February 16th at the CUB Malthouse as part of the Melbourne Music Festival, then goes to what's left of Sydney to do "a weekend series of concerts at the Three Weeds in Balmain". This is apparently where Tori Amos played when in Sydney last year. The bio included in this press pack is a big improvement on the one-page outline I got last time, covering her entire career in detail. The attached note fromthe publicis also apologises for their lack of material on Jane, and hopes I can make do. Ha! Little does she know I have the Ecto information network on my side!!! :) My housemate bought a MiniDisk Walkman. It's cute. TDK make their discs in clear cases so they look suitably high-tech; using the machine's re-editing functions I've already done 6 minute 12" versions of Falling Joys' "Fiesta" and Happy's "Closer". :-) Kiri wrote: > I just saw the movie the Big Blue. It was so wonderful. Does anyone > have the full-french version??? I am very interested in getting a copy > if anyone has in their collection. I can understand why this movie I have the full 3 hour French version on PAL tape, letterboxed; I can get it converted to NTSC for you if you like. Highly illegal I guess, too. Ptooie. :-) Let me know... There's also a very different US version of the film from the original 2 hour cut; even the music was re-done by Bill "Rocky" Conti; the original Eric Serra score is much better. The Australian version removed two mild love scenes to gain a PG rating. All footage is included in the 180 minute version. > flopped in the mainstream theatre, but I thought it was absolutely > beautiful. I really identified with the main characters unique > identification with the ocean. I was crying most of the movie. Hey > i'm a sap what can i say.... I loved it too. And fooie to those who called it "silly". Valerie says: > The single's called 'God' (but you already new that...) and I picked up a > promo CD copy of it used yesterday. It also includes 'Home on the Range' Wow, that's one radio station/other media person that dismissed it outright. > The cover features this scrumptious picture of our red-haired goddess, with > a window reflection in the foreground. She is wearing a white top and is > facing the camera. To her front right are some testtubes and a flask, but > these blend in with the window reflection. Same as the "Cornflake Girl" cover (it's black and white, right?) and the Warner Australia promo tape. I have scanned the cover of the latter in and by the time you read this - okay, maybe a bit later - it'll be on the FTP site where all the music pics are - ftp.uwp.edu, I think. Beautiful photo, the album cover's going to have to be damn good to outdo this one. > This definitely is a step beyond a piano-only LE style...There's no > instrument listing, but God starts with screeching sounds (to my untrained > ear, I would say guitar licks and snare) After a few listens, 'God' Guitar, definitely. > becomes the natural step in Tori's growth as an artist. The Waitress is > less poppy than God, but much more interesting. It starts with machine > sounds (reminds me of 'Innocence and Science' by Spandau Ballet), and then > Tori's beautiful voice. It turns into an odd cacophony of factory-type > sounds and Tori's wailings. It's hard to describe, but it's great. "Angry" is a good description of this song. > 'Home on the Range' is just Tori with piano. Actually, I'm a little > disappointed in this. She seems to be trying too hard to impose her stark > style onto a traditional folk song. I can't make out all of the additional It can't be worse than her "Humpty Dumpty". Can it? Say it ain't so! > BTW, it seems to me that 'God' is an odd choice for a first single. I I agree. Atlantic going with the "funky, dancey" one, maybe. Or they're after a little controversy... :-) > after the coasts (and Chicago, I hope). The title just won't fly in the > south, where you can't even mutter the word without getting nasty stares. God help its chances there, then. :) > "I never knew what a big difference there was between 30 degrees and 20 > degrees..." -- Valerie, on almost any day in Chicago. If you're talking celcius, the difference is between mild and rather hot. :-) And now, Mr Pedantic corrects Jim Gurley! > Whilst scanning through alt.music.alternative a couple days ago I read a > post on that ultimately forgettable mid-70s band, Klatteau, the ones who Klaatu - named after a character in "The Day The Earth Stood Still". > false-impression....and I got to thinking about their song that the > Carpenters had a hit with: > > Calling All Interplanetary Spacecraft.... "Calling Occupants Of Interplanetary Craft" (and don't tell anyone that I knew that! :-) Bob Lovejoy > Personally, I'd rather have helped Meth push Happy's car, but then again I > love to play music, so what the hey! Did I miss a post or two here? Meth? > From Under Me" might not be fodder for a dentist's office. My dentist uses > a station that features Peabo Bryson and Barry Manilow and others of that > ilk. I solved this by bringing in a walkman armed with Rearmament. (BTW, > Happy is righteous on NO2!) I must track down my local dentist and borrow some nitrous oxide, then... :-) > PS Thanks Jens for mentioning the attempt to do a HiFi thread! Well I don't know about you, Bob, but I feel that Klipsch's use of passive subwoofers in their Tangent range is the most economical way of reproducing Bass Notes Of Doom ever invented. And for my money, Dolby HX Pro provides all the headroom extension you'd ever need. Thread away, audiophiles! :-) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 09:00:19 -0800 (PST) From: Emily Breed Subject: Re: origin of "Xtian" On Thu, 13 Jan 1994, Alex Gibbs wrote: > I think the famous quote from Matthew 4:19 adds a lot to the symbolism: > "And he said to them, `Follow me, and I will make you fishers of > men.'" Christ says this to two disciples who were fishermen. They > were now to be fishers of believers in Christ: the fish. I've also read that it was used as a way for one Christian to identify others. Upon meeting someone that he thought was also a Christian, he'd idly sketch an arc, in the dust or on the tabletop or wherever, and if the other one drew the other arc to complete the fish, they knew they were fellow Christians. This is subject to debate, of course, just like the origins of "ring around the rosy." -- Emily ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: Re: Early alley oxen! Free! Date: Thu, 13 Jan 1994 09:19:21 -0800 (PST) Anthony writes: > Australian Ecto-ers note: Jane Siberry plays Melbourne on Wednesday February > 16th at the CUB Malthouse as part of the Melbourne Music Festival, then goes > to what's left of Sydney to do "a weekend series of concerts at the Three > Weeds in Balmain". This is apparently where Tori Amos played when in Sydney > last year. She must be heading west over the Pacific. The most recent issue of the Georgia Straight has an ad for two Jane Siberry shows here in Vancouver on February 7th and 8th. They're billed as "It Ain't-A- Concert Concerts; Speak some, Sing some, Show some Song Films" performances. They're both going to be held in the Van East Cultural Centre, just down the road from where I live... a great venue I'd say! It's a converted church building, but a strange church. Acoustically not incredible, but a very close and intimate space. Incidentally, it's also where Tori Amos played when she was here last year. :) Hmm... I posted a lengthy account of my holiday exploits to ecto at 3 AM this morning, and thus far a copy of it hasn't appeared in my mailbox. What has happened? Has it vanished into the ether? - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 10:22:15 PST From: "John Relph" Subject: Re: penlope & medieval stuff >Hello again - > >to clear up a few penelope houston questions which were raised -- > silk purse from sows ear (new german cd) (had no idea about the linda > ronstadt connection) Well, it's a tenuous connection at best. "Trying to make a silk purse from a sow's ear" is an old saying. I suppose it means trying to make more out of something than it really is. -- John ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 13:34:51 EST From: rmorrow@afit.af.mil (Robert K. Morrow) Subject: Subject: Re: Sort of, like, maybe, kind of, you know, u---------h... > From jmg@rocket.com Tue Jan 11 18:49:49 1994 > > Whilst scanning through alt.music.alternative a couple days ago I read a > post on that ultimately forgettable mid-70s band, Klatteau, the ones who > everybody claimed were John/Paul/George/Ringo under a > false-impression....and I got to thinking about their song that the > Carpenters had a hit with: > > Calling All Interplanetary Spacecraft.... > You're probably thinking of the band Klaatu, named after the benign alien in the movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still." (Did I spell it right?) Bob Morrow ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 10:38:28 PST From: "John Relph" Subject: Re: Lisa Herman/Longhouse info >> Lisa Herman appears on Peter Blegvad/John Greaves "Kew/Rhone" >> release from 1977, based on Flemish proverbs set to music. Details >> on Kew/Rhone should be in John Relph's Blegvad discography at >> ftp.uwp.edu. > >John, oh John? You have this info handy? 1977 Mar John Greaves and Peter Blegvad: Kew.Rhone. John Greaves (piano, organ, bass, vocals, percussion on [1]) Peter Blegvad (vocals, guitars, tenor sax on [2]) Lisa Herman (vocals) with Andrew Cyrille (drums, percussion) Mike Mantler (trumpet, trombone) Carla Bley (vocals, tenor sax on [1,3]) Maichael Levine (violin, viola, vocals on [4]) Vito Rendace (alto & tenor saxes, flute) April Lang (vocals on [2,5]) Dana Johnson (vocals on [6]) Boris Kinberg (clave on [2]) 0'33 Good Evening [3] 4'06 Twenty Two Proverbs [6] 3'32 Seven Scenes from the painting ``Exhuming The First American Mastodon'' by C. W. Peale 3'04 Kew. Rhone. 3'39 Pipeline [2] 3'35 Catalogue of Fifteen Objects and their Titles 1'29 One Footnote (to Kew. Rhone.) [1] 4'06 Three Tenses Onanism [5] 5'51 Nine Mineral Emblems [4] 3'04 Apricot 3'44 Gegenstand LP UK Virgin V 2082 LP US Europa JP2004 LP JA Virgin/Victor VIP-4098 (5 Jun 1981, limited edition) LP UK Virgin OVED 171 (reissue) CD UK Virgin CDV 2082 (1991 Apr?) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 11:26:38 PST From: farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) Subject: fish, darwin and cars >Have you seen the Darwin fish yet? Looks like the Christian fish, but has >legs, and instead of "Christ" in English or greek inside, it has "Darwin". >I saw one on a car months ago, and practically ran the curb from laughing. >It's not just for parody either - a fish with legs is a perfect symbol of >evolution. I finally found a store that sold them over Christmas break, so >my car now proudly proclaims my support for the Theory of Evolution. :-) yes i have -- but i've never been able to find a place that sells them. Erik, where did you find yours? (as he crosses his fingers and hopes for a mail order store....) **************************************************************** * Chris Farmer (805) 893-2532 |let me help you off with your * * Biology Dept., UCSB |golden chains / we'll throw * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 |them in the river... * * farmer@lifesci.ucsb.edu | -penelope houston * **************************************************************** ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 14:37:06 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Vickie goes on a paranoid rant :-) Blame it on dain-bramage, blame it on IRC, blame it on extreme forgetfulness, blame it on the boogie, but, whatever you do... *DON'T* *TAKE* *IT* *PERSONALLY* ***PLEASE!!*** because I often save things out and then forget to go back to them immediately. It happens *all* the time, and I feel terrible when I forget to get back to something right away. It's not personal...it's not personal...it's not *ever* personal!! > Hello ecto, > > I am back from Ecuador, > Angelos ********** !! W E L C O M E B A C K A N G E L O S !! ********** It's so good to see you back! > and slightly overwhelmed with the 25+ digests that > I haven't yet read... Had a great time there! Musical highlight: I saw > Rubberband Girl in MTV Internacional, or whatever the South American > one is called, and wasn't that impressed (the saving parts were the ones > from the film, IMHO). I was also reminded just how useless and boring > US MTV is. In the 3 hours of MTV I saw, I knew 90% of the songs, and the > 10% I didn't know were worth listening to (I saw the video for the new > Enigma, and the Deep Forest track that y'all have been talking about). See, I was going to write this long post defending the video to "Rubberband Girl" (which I think is *wonderful*!) and that's why I saved it "for later" but, me being me, I didn't get back to it right away, which makes it look as if I was ignoring your return. I worry, I know, and it must seem awfully weird that I'm going on so about forgetting, but I can't help it :-). I wake up in the middle of the night sometimes in a cold sweat with thoughts like "SHIT! I forgot to !!!" and they very often involve Ectophiles in some way or another (forgetbirthdaysforget toanswerquestionsforgettowelcomesomeoneforgettosaybyetosomeone forgettowelcomesomeonebackforgettosaythanksforgettosendfaqforgetto giveinformationforgettoanswerthreadsforgettopostonthreadsetcetcetc) because I set myself up to do these things. It's *my* pressure, that I put on myself, and doesn't come from anyone on this list. I'm just saying this in Ecto to let anyone, who may feel slighted by me about anything, know to *please* never take anything personally. Anything not done by me (hi, bye, thanks, response, e-mail, anything) is never personal, evereverever. Ever! **HUGS** to Angelos and to all Ectophiles everywhere. Newcomers to Ecto will soon find that this is the most loving, giving, forgiving and supportive list *anywhere*. (They always forgive me, no matter what I do or don't do. I don't even have to *pay* them! Wow!) Whew! Got all that off my chest... Vickie (the worrywart) ps, I *love* the "Rubberband Girl" video, btw :-) pps, tell us about Equador, Angelos! ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 13 Jan 94 11:47:21 PST From: farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) Subject: nicknames..... > >HiHo to you Chris! (Do you mind nicknames?) Welcome to Ecto! > nope go ahead vickie, but none have managed to stick with me over the years. i'm still just a plain chris (no -topher). :) thanks for all the warm welcomes everyone :) and under the STRONG and unanimous recomendations of youall i'll remove No Borders Here from the Sell to Used Record Store pile. (and yep, the Waitress definitely soured me -- its the only song i remember from the album :p ) **************************************************************** * Chris Farmer (805) 893-2532 |let me help you off with your * * Biology Dept., UCSB |golden chains / we'll throw * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 |them in the river... * * farmer@lifesci.ucsb.edu | -penelope houston * **************************************************************** ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)