Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #960 ecto, Number 960 Friday, 14 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Party in Chicago Saturday 1-29-94 Bdays & Hellays Re: area/the moon seven times uh, hi... Re: HELLO YNGVE? Re: Ally Ally Oxenfree Re: New Tori single Re: Space Doggie Dog. Woof. Re: Jane Siberry and Infocom ally Ecto Atlanta and the Big Blue add phyxn873@ksuvxa.kent.edu a long tangent filled hello hanta virus, Navajos and Me Re: Free the oxen and other stories ======================================================================== I'm sorry there haven't been digests for a few days - i've had a pretty rough past couple of days. things are looking better now :) This is #2 of _10_ digests to go out! ecto always gets busy at the worst times. :) jessica ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 0:22:09 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Party in Chicago Saturday 1-29-94 Chip idears (last week, but we've been off-line): > Tim Cook (the guy who'll go anywhere for a party) will be in Chicago at > the end of the month and it would only be appropriate to have an Ectoparty > to celebrate and welcome him! Good idear! > I think Saturday, Jan. 29th would be a good day. We can schedule a time and > place later. My place is more than available for parties... I just don't > have a big screen TV for group viewing (hint hint Vickie ;-) ). We can play > it by ear. Your hint has been heard Chip! Here is fine with me, unless anyone objects. All the usual warnings apply :-). -V- > ======================================================================= > Chip Lueck | "The moving walkway is now ending. > email: chip-l@nwu.edu | Please look down." > PHONE: 708-467-1587 | ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :-) :-) :-) (TimC will get to hear that said in person) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 0:28:13 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Bdays & Hellays Be-lated, but no less be-meant... HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Tony Garrity!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Greg "footahman" Bossert!! (Oh, to be..in London...) *HUGS* to you both Also, hey... WELCOMES, HELLAYS & HUGZ to all the new Ectophiles & delurkers out there! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 0:40:34 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: area/the moon seven times Br!an mooed: > and finally, I have a cassette copy of Hetch Hetchy's "Wake Djabouti" > that never clicked on me. Ask Vickie for a description/background > if curious. Wake that, "Make Djabouti" and I really hope someone snatches it up from you, since you don't like it. It's uneven, but there are a couple of songs that I *really* love. This is a veryvery*VERY* rare thing, so I think it's wonderful that you're offering it out to Ectophiles instead of sitting on it or selling it to a used record store. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 01:44:23 EST From: mojzes@monet.vill.edu (brni) Subject: uh, hi... hi all, i know this is a bit late, but i've been kinda busy lately. merry xmas. joyous solstice. happy new year. i suppose i should also take this time to wish a happy belated birthday to everybody who had a birthday in 1993. happy birthday, y'all. and i should wish everybody a happy birthday for the one in 1994 too, since i'll probably forget later. happy birthday, y'all. whew. i went to bob lovejoy's house on new years day. bob, both linda and i had a really good time. thanks bunches for munchies and the liquids, for the music and the company. :) i hope some of the other philly ectophiles made it. we had an ice storm here over the weekend that shut the city down. friday evening the only people getting around on the streets in the germantown/mount airy area were on ice skates. and me. (i was sick and feverish enough to think that going out to get medicine was a good idea -- of course the pharmacy was closed.) in other news: my boss's wife had twins: tyler tritt (7lbs 11oz) and jackson tritt (7lbs 4oz). big babies. well, time to run along...oh, wait. i want to plug 2 albums i just got: morphine _cure for pain_ is really a must for those of us who like deep music--drums bass and bari sax. cool sound. and rickie lee jones _traffic from paradise_: this one is really great, except for the cover of "rebel rebel"--i mean, i suppose barry manilow would do a worse job at it, but still... :) as a whole, this album really is far more than worthwhile. ok, this time for real. good night, and good luck love brni ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 19:04:00 +0100 From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: HELLO YNGVE? On rdt you/Brent wrote: > THis is Brent, the guy that was ordering CDs for you. I can't seem to reach > you by e-mail anymore. Please write me if you get this, as the CDs have > arrived and I need to get in touch. Well, I can't help you immediately, but all you need is a phone book from Molde in Norway. There are about 4 Hauge's in Molde, and at least one (the first I tried when I was in Norway last summer) is Yngve's family. Unfortunately I forgot to write the number down. :-(. Anyone from Norway who can help? If you find out something about Yngve's whereabout - please tell us! Ciao, Uli -- Das ist wie mit der Gleichung von Fermat - ein Raetsel, das wir wohl nie loesen werden - Captain Picard, StarTrek TNG, Folge 'Hotel Royal' ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 02:17:27 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: Ally Ally Oxenfree > It'll be interesting to see where this game was played and what it was > called. Instead of just hide-and-seek we called it hide-and-go-seek, but it > always came out as one word = hidengoseek. New Jersey for me, and it was mainly on outdoor game where I grew up. I think we called it both things. I don't know what people say while playing it in Arizona, except maybe "OOWW!" when they hide next to a cacti, especially a jumping cholla cacti. I kid you not; that's their nickname. Well, okay, they don't actually jump at you but whole chunks or branches *covered* in needles come off and stick in you. The effect is that the victim looks like bits of the cacti jumped on to them since they have pieces of it stuck to them. Time for pliers (to remove the chunk) and then lots of needle-pulling, or should that be hair-pulling. Moral: don't pet the cacti, even if it looks fuzzy. AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do \ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." \ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 02:20:47 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: Ally ally oxenfree > Yup. Well, I guess we've established a definite link to the > Midwest. So, do y'all call drinking fountains "bubblers" and soft > drinks "pop" as well? :) Uh, no. :) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 4:41:06 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Ally Ally Oxenfree was Re: Space Doggie Dog. Woof. (I love that Subject line...I couldn't delete it completely) Jeffy responded: > "Ally ally oxenfree" is a sort of anti-war-cry used by children whilst > playing the game 'hide and seek.' When the seeker has tagged a seekee and > the game is thus ready to begin anew, the now-ex-seeker cries out "ally > ally oxenfree" to alert the other players that it's safe to come out of > hiding. When I got Rearmament, I thought Happy had changed the spelling, because I'd always thought it was "Olly olly oxenfree" and I thought Happy's spelling was more interesting. It seems it was "Ally" to everyone else though too. Am I the only "Olly" out there? It's one of those phrases that gets said a lot (by children playing the game) but doesn't get written down very often (except in BH90210 scripts and Happy Rhodes songs). > If you'll look at the lyrics to the song, you'll see that Happy has written > a wonderful extended metaphor. The narrator is describing a relationship > within the context of the game--the relationship is in bad shape, and the > narrator is begging the other character to put an end to the "game", open > up, communicate, work through the problems. I *LOVE* this song and it's so wonderful to hear it being talked about. It's so beautiful, yet sad, but uplifting at the same time. It's sad in the same way "If So" is beautiful and sad. Happy's voice just breaks your heart, it's so gorgeous. "Ally Ally Oxenfree" is more "ethereal" than "If So" with more layers of voices, shimmering but not heavy. And that "AhhOooo" at the beginning gives me chills. It's perfect in the spot it's in too, coming right after the moody "Rhodes Waltz" (unless you're like I am right now and are listening to Rearmament in shuffle repeat mode :-)). I was *so* used to the cassette version of Rearmament that it still jars me to hear "Be Careful What You Say" come on after AAO. I certainly love having the extra songs Happy added to all the 1st4 CDs, but they're different albums now, and every now and then I do go back and listen to the cassettes to hear the originals. Not very often though, because the CDs are wonderful. Mmmm, "Ally Ally Oxenfree" just started and I want to close my eyes and float in the song. For anyone who has _RhodeSongs_ but not _Rearmament_, this song is most like "Summer" - very layered and floaty. Beautiful! Here are the lyrics: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Happy Rhodes Rearmament B-7) ALLY ALLY OXENFREE Aaah...oooh I can't find you You've hidden well Well, Ally ally oxenfree Ally ally oxenfree I can't find you And I'm too tired to play So, Ally ally oxenfree Ally ally oxenfree You were here, right here I don't know where you are now If you won't show for me I won't search for you I can't find you Must I be "it" forever? Ally ally oxenfree Touch home-base For your sake, love 'Cause I'm going home now Touch home-base For your sake, love 'Cause I'm going home I'm going home Ally ally oxenfree -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Mmmm, this is an ethereal song on an album full of ethereal songs... Vickie (floating away and re-discovering Rearmament....bliss, pure bliss) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 09:49:30 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: New Tori single At 9:34 pm 10/1/94 -0600, Valerie Nozick wrote: >The single's called 'God' (but you already new that...) and I picked up a >promo CD copy of it used yesterday. It also includes 'Home on the Range' >with additional lyrics by Tori and 'The Waitress', another album track. >The cover features this scrumptious picture of our red-haired goddess, with >a window reflection in the foreground. She is wearing a white top and is >facing the camera. To her front right are some testtubes and a flask, but >these blend in with the window reflection. Hey! That's the same picture as on the UK single, "Cornflake Girl"! Does "God" have a picture on the back of a broken lightbulb, with the fragments of glass spelling out Tori's name? The UK single comes with "Sister Janet" and a "Piano Suite" which is two unaccompanied piano pieces. The piano suite doesn't work for me, it just sounds like a couple of doodles. "Cornflake Girl" is a big arrangement with lots of instruments, very different from the Tori of "Little Earthquakes". The lyrics seem rather surreal, I haven't the first idea what it's about. A rabbit features in the lyrics of both vocal pieces, I don't know if this is significant! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** New .sig quote currently under construction. *** ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 02:46:00 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: Space Doggie Dog. Woof. dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon): > Anthony said: > > >As they used to say in a Monty Python film, "Death's too good for them". > > Just to pick nits, I believe this is from Hitchhiker's Guide to the > Galaxy. The Vogon captain says it as Ford & Arthur are being dragged > to the airlock. "Counterpoint the surrealism of the underlying > metaphor? Death's too good for them." I certainly remember it from Douglas Adams. :) Perhaps there's some inter-connectedness (of all things) since Douglas Adams did some things for Monty Python? Or perhaps the saying goes back to some other as yet unknown source, maybe originating with the creation of the universe? Well, what doesn't? > will quote Douglas Adams for food Will feed Douglas Adams for quotes. AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do \ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." \ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 5:14:53 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Jane Siberry and Infocom NeIl had a question for Jane: > Re: Anthony interviewing Jane Siberry: > > 1. I'll be interviewing Jane Siberry AGAIN this or next week, so get those > > questions you've always wanted to ask Jane in the mail to me now! :) > > Okay... how's this for a dumb question? Does she ever ride the > Toronto streetcar? I was going to a friend's place one day, and I was > on the Queen Street car near the mental health institution (she once > wrote a song about some of the lonely souls who wander aimlessly about > this area, btw) and I'm pretty sure she was getting off the car as I > moved down to the back. Not so dumb at all! Jane has said in lots of interviews that she lived across the street from a mental institution for at least a few years. I'll bet she uses the streetcar a lot. I don't think she lives at the same place. We didn't see where she lives now, but we did give Victoria Williams and the piano player for the Christmas concert (Tim Ray? My mind's blank at the moment) a ride from the rehearsals to their hotel, which Victoria said was "around the corner from Jane's house" and I'd read that when Jane lived across from the institution she lived in an apartment. The hotel (didn't catch the name) was on "Avenue Rd." north of The University of Toronto a ways. The area seems really ritzy with shops selling imported chocolate, lots of little cafes and coffee shops & such. Something else I never mentioned because it was part of my unfinished "Toronto story" was that Charley, Chris and I are dinner with Victoria (we dropped off the piano player) at a vegetarian restaurant a block or so from her hotel. It was on a side street, not Avenue, but of course I can't remember the name. > This was, oh, around four years ago. I have > this very sharp impression of this short woman wearing a black wool > winter coat and hat, with a very Jane Siberrian face - angular; narrow > nose - stepping into the door well. And I've sort of always wanted to > know if it was really her or not, but of course there's no way ever of > really finding out. I guess it would be a strange question to ask, but hey, inquiring minds want to know if goddesses take public transportation....that's legtimate! (I can imagine Jane on a streetcar. I can't imagine Kate taking public transportation even in my wildest dreams. Tori? I could see her on a bus talking to the guys who sit in the back with newspapers on their heads. Happy? I could see her on pubtrans, but not talking to anyone at all. She's always had a car though. I remember the story of when Happy was on her way to a gig (singing backup for someone, not headlining) and her car broke down and she, all dreassed up, had to push the car. Meredith had a dream about that :-)...remember Meth?) > Well, never mind. I think that's too dumb a question to ask! :) I don't! It's no sillier than mine. I want Anthony to ask if Jane has listened to the CD of Warpaint I gave her in Detroit :-) Vickie ps, Here in Chicago, I once sat across from the woman who played Debra Winger's rich best friend in the movie "Terms of Endearment" though I didn't place what movie I'd seen her in until after she'd gotten off the bus. Durn! ======================================================================== From: "Bradley N. Hutchinson" Subject: ally Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 6:33:28 EST Eric writes: think this was a corruption of "All-ee all-ee outs in free", ie. everyo ne still hiding out gets to come in free, no tags. I wonder which parts of the world are familiar with this? Is it US? Midwest US? Midwest & eastern US? I grew up in Chicago, for what that's worth. Erik Well, as someone who grew up in West Virginia, we used to say it when we played "hide and go seek" and I always thought it was "All of you all of you outs in free." Brad -- bhutchin@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu Albert Einstein nailed Space/Time but the wild thing had him stumped Al baby two and two make five and a quarter that's why people fall in love--thomas dolby ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 18:59:50 CST From: kiri Subject: Ecto Atlanta and the Big Blue As Court mentioned we are thinking about having a bit of a get together at our hotel on fri or sat night (this weekend). If anyone is interested in joining us, please give us a buzz! I just saw the movie the Big Blue. It was so wonderful. Does anyone have the full-french version??? I am very interested in getting a copy if anyone has in their collection. I can understand why this movie flopped in the mainstream theatre, but I thought it was absolutely beautiful. I really identified with the main characters unique identification with the ocean. I was crying most of the movie. Hey i'm a sap what can i say.... kiri ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 11:25:37 -0400 (EDT) From: NEUMANN%KSUVXD@ksuvxa.kent.edu Subject: add phyxn873@ksuvxa.kent.edu Hi, Please add me to the Ecto mailing list. Thanks, John Neumann phyxn873@ksuvxa.kent.edu ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 9:28:20 PST From: "John Relph" Subject: Re: Ally ally oxenfree Here in California we said "ollie ollie oxenfree". And I never knew what it meant. What does it mean? Has anybody done an in-depth study of the origins of this phrase? Perhaps it is explained in a dictionary of slang somewhere. -- John ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 10:26:35 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Ally ally oxenfree > > Yup. Well, I guess we've established a definite link to the > > Midwest. So, do y'all call drinking fountains "bubblers" and soft > > drinks "pop" as well? :) > > Uh, no. :) > Well, in Wisconsin, we called 'em "bubblers" (I think Wisconsin and parts of Massachusetts are the only places in the US that call them that), but "pop" is purely for the hicks in the sticks. :) D^2 s ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 10:44:09 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Ally ally oxenfree > > Central Pennsylvania calls them "pops". They also have a weird > rendition of "y'all".. it's "you'ns", one syllable. Go figure. > > br!an When I've heard that, it's always been pronounce "yins". Neal ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 10:56:50 PST From: farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) Subject: a long tangent filled hello HiHo all -- yep, its another in the nearly endless string of delurkers. not sure how sane this will be - i forgot to unsuscribe over the three week xmas break - i came back and was greeted with 571 messages! YIKES. there's a lesson to be learnt in there somewheres... (unlike some wiser souls -Courtney-, i read them all, and being absurdly/anally thourough, didn't want to post until after reading them all). and i've been writing for a week or so trying to whip my thoughts into some semblence of coherence (not an easy task) and get all the other things done which i need to (an impossible task :) ). been around for 2 months or so. i too echo my astonishment at the amazing support and atmosphere in this list. it is certainly not what i was expecting at all (but in a positive way though!). i expected only the musical discussions, which are here in abundance, but certainly not the various interesting digressions on all the recent topics. my biggest regret is not having the time to compose a halfway intelligent post/comment to insert on the topics as they go by. i don't have any idea how you all do it and still maintain some semblence of a normal life (or do you? :) ). the other big problem is now that i've found all these recommendations by people of (obviously) superb taste :), how do i stretch my budget to actually BUY all theses cds..... my first happy encounter isn't all that exciting - after hearing the raves on gaffa, i happened to run across Warpaint, Ecto, Rearmament, Equipoise in Tower when i was down in LA for a friend's wedding. not remembering which was a good first buy, just guessed and bought warpaint. listened to it a few times, thought "hmm, sounds pretty good" and on the return trip bought Ecto and Rearmament (didn't have enought money for Equipoise). have since fixed that situation -- spent most of my xmas loot on happy cds. got the other four through aural gratification. now i'm listening to them sloooowly so as not to become overwhelmed (also trying to listen to all the other stuff i bought for christmas). Two questions: - Vickie, where did you hear of Penelope Houston???!! thought she had never been heard of outside the bay area (although my friends and i are pretty diligently trying to convert the rest of the world :) ). She is one of my favorite acts, having seen her gobs when i was an undergraduate up at Davis and having all her tapes/cds. (as an amusing tangent - i'd always read your alias as WretchAway, before getting HR I. conjured up images of this woman with a spray can furiously trying to rid herself of all those nasty, pestering wretchs buzzing around her head. :) well, at least i thought it was amusing.) -Is the album "No Borders Here" representative of Jane Siberry's voice and other work? picked it up used after hearing the raves, and was quite dissappointed (no offense meant to her hoardes of fans). Obligatory (?) top eight: like most others, these are just the best of the albums i bought in 1993. its pretty typical "college/alternative"... but not for long (thanks to you all :) 1) Penelope Houston - Whole World and Silk Purse (from a Sow's Ear) tremendous voice (especially considering how she abused it back in her punk days), with powerful songs of love and life (jeez, sound like i could be writing a review for any generic top 40 band; i'm new to this...) 2) Happy Rhodes - Ecto/Warpaint/Rearmament what can i say? each time i listen to each album i find a new nuance and meaning. i am so glad i "discovered" her. 3) PJ Harvey - Rid of Me and Four Track Demos 4) Belly - Star and Baby Silvertooth 5) Liz Phair - Exile in Guyville 6) Anonymous 4 - On Yoolis Night angels have recorded. if you haven't heard these folks and have *any* affection for medieval music, you are really missing out on a treat. these four women sing beautiful songs which soar and swoop...(ummm, sorry to wax so poetic, but this is a darn good album). 7) Cowboy Junkies - Pale Sun, Crescent Moon one of the best lyrical albums i've ever read. and margo's voice, while initially unexpressive on this album,continues to grow on me. 8) Bettie Seerveeert - Palomine 8) Aimee Mann - Whatever almost done... in regards to the the ally ally oxenfree, i grew up in a small town near philadelphia and while we didn't use that phrase (using something a little simpler, like "Jen's it, come out"), we did know its meaning. we were all easterners, no midwest "contamination" :). so its not that regional (where'd Happy grow up anyways?). and we called it soda (although all our relatives in West Virginia called it pop). as someone who lived in AZ for 6 yrs and did/still do lots of backpacking there couldn't let this pass - >playing it in Arizona, except maybe "OOWW!" when they hide next to a >cacti, especially a jumping cholla cacti. I kid you not; that's their >nickname. Well, okay, they don't actually jump at you but whole >chunks or branches *covered* in needles come off and stick in you. >The effect is that the victim looks like bits of the cacti jumped on >to them since they have pieces of it stuck to them. Time for pliers >(to remove the chunk) and then lots of needle-pulling, or should that be >hair-pulling. Moral: don't pet the cacti, even if it looks fuzzy. I just returned from hiking in Organ Pipe National Monument (SW arizona), with some Iowians naive to the desert; and you forgot to mention the cholla's most lovely aspect - its barbs. so not only does it grab you at the slightest brush, it won't come out w/o *LOTS* of pain. and the chunks drop off onto the ground, stick in your boots and then as you walk you drive them into your calf. OUCH! by the end of the trip the 5 of them never ever ever wanted to see another cholla again. having played amidst the cholla in jr high, i gave these evil cactus HUGE doses of avoidance, managing to get no impalements :). (the trip however, was great and the desert incredible). that's it - i'm done, and sending this off before more ecto letters come in hoping to be talking to you all more regularly -- **************************************************************** * Chris Farmer (805) 893-2532 |let me help you off with your * * Biology Dept., UCSB |golden chains / we'll throw * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 |them in the river... * * farmer@lifesci.ucsb.edu | -penelope houston * **************************************************************** ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 11:00:19 PST From: farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) Subject: hanta virus, Navajos and Me darn, forgot to include this -- (WARNING: No Happy Anywhere) a while ago, someone wrote about the Navajo tradation of shaking out rugs due to the presence of the hanta virus. whoever that was, could you *please* email me where you read that? i'm very interested in it. (long tangent explaining why i care). My parents live in Arizona, and the hanta outbreak up in Four Corners had been big news there, and they had been sending me all the clippings from the local papers (due to it being vaguely zoological - that's the way my parents are :) ). Then this summer i worked on the eastern slope of the Sierra Nevadas (the mountain range along the eastern border of california) on a bird survey. the field station where i was stationed for the second half of the summer is where the first known case in california occured. the woman who died was my next door neighbor and a friend. my coworker and i had to get blood tests to test for the virus. when i got back to santa barbara, the papers were digging back through old autopsy records and they found out that a case (in santa barbara) a few months ago of death due to unknown respirtory failure was hanta. so the virus has been following me around, and has had some impact on my life. i've been trying to keep up on all the developments, but missed this one about the Navajo tradition. anyway, if you could just email me the info, i'd be very thankful. **************************************************************** * Chris Farmer (805) 893-2532 |let me help you off with your * * Biology Dept., UCSB |golden chains / we'll throw * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 |them in the river... * * farmer@lifesci.ucsb.edu | -penelope houston * **************************************************************** ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 11:14:30 -0800 (PST) From: Ectophiles Guide Subject: Re: Free the oxen and other stories Mitch inimitably mitched: > I got my HGP in the mail Friday, and despite the fluffs Doug warned us about, > it's good stuff. The things I found most intriguing were in the stuff contrib- > uted by Jim and Neile, though admittedly not so much for their own sake as for > the free associations a couple of things evoked in me. To wit: Hey, we like to spark creative thinking. > 1) This weekend, the city's oldest, most rickety elevated line was shut down > for two years of repairs. If its regular riders continue to feel relative > deprivation as they ride the stopgap bus service, will "I Often Dream of Trains > " become a kind of marching song for the expression of their disaffection? The sad truth is that the song we included is actually called "Winter Love" off the _I Often Dream of Trains_ album. I'm not sure where the mistake crept in--in the stuff we sent to Doug and thereafter. > 2) As per Neile's apparently Canadian pronunciation, in her intro, of the > collective noun for the likes of we, could adolescents making out to the > strains of Happy's music be said to be "copping an ectofeel?" :-) It may be just a 7:30 am pronunciation--I'll have to listen to it again. Anyone know Latin? How does one pronounce "_philia"? I've never pronounced -philia words with a long "i" but neither do I pronounce it like the man's nickname, "Phil". I'm not surprised it came out sounding like "feel". Jim also teases me a lot becuase I pronounced "tiger" "tayger". I can't help it--it's just the way it comes out and not necessarily the way I hear it in my head. Just like in my head my voice doesn't come out off-key when I sing. ;) --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)