Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #399 ecto, Number 399 Wednesday, 20 January 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: my best albums of '92 Availability Wrong Century sounds Stalking the wild Loreena and other stories #8, #9 on Warpaint eddi/dolby connECTiOn parker and the mall Re: Loreena Conversions Sweet Dreams digestive tract record Eddi Edda Cyndi Lauper & Thomas Dolby HaPpY Birthday Re: Wrong Century, Sounds (?) ======================================================================== From: special K Subject: Re: my best albums of '92 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 14:15:02 EST > As I didn't get _any_ replies on my request for the best album > poll, I don't have to spend a lot of time calculating the results. > So here are my 20 favourite albums of '92: What? kd's _Ingenue_ not on your list?!? 4 Grammy nominations ain't nuthin' ta sneeze at! :) special K, kd fan extraordinaire ======================================================================== Subject: Availability Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 16:12:45 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis Hi, I tried mailing this to Steve but it bounced, so I am directing the question to ecto: Steve wrote: >To this I say, teleport do not run to your local record store and >get one of or both of _The Golden Age of Wireless_ and _The Flat >Earth_. These are his most brilliant works (my favorite is TFE). To what degree are these albums still available in the US? I have been looking for TFE since last years HGP (loved 'I scare myself'), and have had no luck. BTW, Tower Boston has 4 Warpaints and an ecto. Guess they must be selling for them to order more WP. I also had good luck finding used CDs! Got a Caterwaul CD for $2.99 (!), I forget its title but I was *very* impressed. They reminded me of Psychowelders but they had a distinctive edge to their sound which IMHO was somehow missing from _Inertia_. I also found a 4-song Laurie Freelove promo-sampler from Smells like Truth for a $.99. She most certainly has a distinctive voice, and all songs on it are great!!! And finally I found a promo of Laura Nyro's Live at the Bottom Line, which was IMHO much better than _Eli_ which was my previous exposure. Any Caterwaul discographies/info floating around? 3 weeks to go, angelos ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 12:52:17 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Potter Subject: Wrong Century sounds Skaludy here. I always figured that the guy in Wrong Century is the same person she had a dream about in the next song, an oriental man who is trying to get back and she says he can just do it himself... I picture him being from a long time ago, when hills were what people called home and long hair was the norm. The nonsense words, if that is what you are refering to, I take to be his interpretation of standard Brooklyn hostility. IOW, he is now in the present. How he got here may have involved aliens, or maybe just Eddie's in the space-time continuum... Now for my question: WHAT is Til the Dawn Breaks (Rear Mament) ABOUT? Burning flesh? Gathering fern? Sounds like a really interesting story, but I have no idea what it is. Does anyone else? Skaludy spotter@darwin.bio.uci.edu ======================================================================== From: Scorpii Subject: Re: my best albums of '92 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 16:25:27 EST Forwarded message: > From kristi@arbs4.larc.nasa.gov Tue Jan 19 14:35:00 1993 > From: special K > Message-Id: <9301191915.AA07637@arbs4.larc.nasa.gov> > Subject: Re: my best albums of '92 > To: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 14:15:02 EST > Cc: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu > In-Reply-To: ; from "Cosmic Vagabond" at Jan 18, 93 11:02 pm > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL2] > > > As I didn't get _any_ replies on my request for the best album > > poll, I don't have to spend a lot of time calculating the results. > > So here are my 20 favourite albums of '92: > > > > What? kd's _Ingenue_ not on your list?!? 4 Grammy nominations ain't nuthin' > ta sneeze at! > > :) > > special K, kd fan extraordinaire > Not knocking kd in the LEAST...but as far as I'm concerned ANY Grammy nomination is something to sneeze at. Their choices consistently indicate that whatever they knew about music, they've forgotten it. Drewcifer ======================================================================== Date: 19 January 1993 15:11:50 CST From: Subject: Stalking the wild Loreena and other stories Yesterday, en route to the cinema in Water Tower Place to see _Peter's Friends_ a good and underrated picture, BTW), I stopped into Rizzoli Books in the same vertical mall to ask about the availability of Loreena's pre-_Visit_ albums, inasmuch as Herself, during her appearance there a couple of months ago, had indicated to me that they'd eventually be in stock. I was informed that they do expect those things in at some point, but are unsure when. The upshot: sooner or later, metro Chicago ectophiles will have one more place to get her earlier albums. The downshot (as one local columnist often says): _The Visit_ cost me about 17 or 18 bucks there, so the earlier ones may also run higher than at most other shops (assuming that you could get them elsewhere, which is less of a sure thing in the first place than with most titles). Saturday, Stuart Rosenberg played a couple of numbers of interest on his show. One was by Marta Sebestyen _sans_ Muszikas, from her upcoming solo album, which has a less traditional sound than her earlier ones. I no longer remember for sure, but I think the other was from the new Mouth Music album. It too had less of a traditional Celtic sound than most of their material, but it was good. Early the next morning, I heard backannounced on _Music From The Hearts of Space_ a number by Bel Canto, which naturally I wouldn't have recognized If I'd heard it, which I naturally didn't because Casper had his fang in the gash in my knuckle at that moment. One more thing that came to me over the weekend was _Time_ magazine from the week before, which had a squib in the back of the book calling the Sundays' new album one of the best of its genre, which the mag went on to describe as female-led light rock, or something to that effect. Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Who knows the law better than someone who's broken it?" --promo for an MFTV movie, whose name I forget, over the weekend (Dedicated to Zoe Baird and the Senate Judiciary Committee :-) ) ======================================================================== Subject: #8, #9 on Warpaint Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 14:02:10 -0800 From: bjork@napa.telebit.com I'm enamoured of #8 and #9 on Warpaint. "I have a little stick, when I turn it upside down..." There is a very strong aspect of surrealism in this song which I like. Same with "Mia mia meow." :) What other Happy cd's should I buy given my likes above... Also, "Half Angel Half Eagle" on Jane's "Bound by the Beauty" is similarly surreal. ../Steven probably will go the Max Ernst sculpture show at UC Berkeley art museum soon. ======================================================================== From: Scorpii Subject: Re: my best albums of '92 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 17:04:42 EST Forwarded message: > From kristi@arbs4.larc.nasa.gov Tue Jan 19 16:56:38 1993 > From: special K > Message-Id: <9301192154.AA07982@arbs4.larc.nasa.gov> > Subject: Re: my best albums of '92 > To: as010b (Scorpii) > Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 16:54:37 EST > In-Reply-To: <9301192125.AA03078@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>; from "Scorpii" at Jan 19, 93 4:25 pm > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL2] > Klaus said: > > > > > As I didn't get _any_ replies on my request for the best album > > > > poll, I don't have to spend a lot of time calculating the results. > > > > So here are my 20 favourite albums of '92: > > > > And he said: > > > > What? kd's _Ingenue_ not on your list?!? 4 Grammy nominations ain't nuthin' > > > ta sneeze at! > > > :) > > > Not knocking kd in the LEAST...but as far as I'm concerned ANY Grammy > > nomination is something to sneeze at. Their choices consistently indicate > > that whatever they knew about music, they've forgotten it. > > Now now, Drewcifer. Just cuz Happy or KaTe haven't been nominated doesn't mean > that the Grammy people have no taste...true, their past indicates only a > smidgeon of taste, but when they chose kd and Lyle Lovett as best country > artists in 1989, they proved to me that they do possess a modicum of knowledge > and taste. All IMHO, of course. :) > > special K > Weeeeeellllll...I do want to make it clear that I'm not so obsessed with the only true "artists" in the music world that I don't have other musical loves. And I don't expect to see my favorite artists as nominees so much as I expect good music to be nominated CONSISTENTLY. After all, the title "Best Album" should be given to, surprise, the BEST Album, should it not? Example: these are the people who gave Milli Vanilli a Grammy. Now I don't know about you, but even if MV HAD sung on their own record, I still don't think the material OR the performance deserved any particular recognition. Let the Billboard people deal with popularity; let the Grammys be given for artistry. BTW, to clarify further, kd deserved all the recognition she got; still does! :) Drewcifer ======================================================================== Date: 19 Jan 93 19:49:10 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: eddi/dolby connECTiOn > Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1993 09:37 EST > From: Sam Warren > Subject: Eddi Reader > > You might be interested to know that Eddi Reader also appears on the new > Thomas Dolby album "Astronauts and Heretics". She sings a jazzy kind of > ballad with him called "Cruel". That's actually where I discovered her. > Great voice! Yes! Yes! Yes!!! I *knew* that name was familiar! Thank you Sam! I think that Cruel is about the best thing on A&H, due in part to the female vocalist. Excellent voice. Anybody know her connection to TD? Now I truly must find her music... -mjm ======================================================================== Date: 19 Jan 93 19:48:51 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: parker and the mall Re: Graham Parker I own a live CD that he put out a few years ago. He strikes me as the kind of guy who would be very effective live, seeing as he is so scathing of society and politics. Soul Corruption (?) I believe is one of his bigger and better hits (a fine tune). Re: DC visits Jeff writes: >On a related note (I seem to say that a lot, don't I?) I'm going to >try to arrange an Ecto gathering here in DC during the weekend of >April 23-25, as I know that several ectophiles will be in town for >the March on Washington for Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Rights (or whatever >the official title of MOW '93 is...;-) If any of y'all are going to be >in town and are interested, let me know. > >Yes, I know that this is a whopping 3 months in advance, but lots of folks >are making travel arrangements now, so I figured I'd throw this out to >the group. Well, why stop at 3? Let's go for a whopping 6 months in advance. I have a wedding in Baltimore July 4th (Sunday) and I am already planning to spend time in DC before that weekend. I have a friend (non-ecto, though I'm sure he can be converted) who now has 2 kids (last time I saw him was at the wedding) who I want to visit. Jeff, maybe, if you're around, I'll finally get to meet you! (not that I've met any of the other non-Chicago ectophiles save Steve V. --- come to Chicago! come to Chicago!) -mjm Jeff ======================================================================== From: meth@aol.com Subject: Re: Loreena Conversions Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 21:40:25 EST Hi! Jeff, I know "Huron 'Beltane' Fire Dance" is on _Parallel Dreams_- I said it was my favorite work of hers OVERALL, not on _Elemental_ (and you're right, it is right before "Annachie Gordon". :) Sorry- should've put a paragraph break in there for clarity... Yeah, my sister said the same thing, that it was a lot more intense in concert. Counting down to noon tomorrow and the dawn of a new era... Meredith Tarr meth@aol.com ======================================================================== From: meth@aol.com Subject: Sweet Dreams Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 22:36:56 EST Hi! I've got the Inaugural Gala on the telly (and just suffered through some sickly saccharine displays by Michael Bolton and Michael Jackson, gaaaaaaaaggggggg.... but seeing Goldie Hawn fall out of her dress repeatedly was rather amusing :), and I find it ironic that today I finally got my paws on a copy of Tori's "Winter" CD5, where I FINALLY can see what the hell she's singing in "Sweet Dreams". So, thanks to one Tori Amos, in the midst of all this Inaugural euphoria, I give you a Requiem For George: "Land land of Liberty we're run by a constipated man when you live in the past you refuse to see when your Daughter comes home 9 months pregnant with 5 billion points of Light gonna shine them on the face of your friends- they've got the Earth in a sling the world is on her knees they've even got your zipper Between their Teeth Sweet Dreams You say you have 'em I say that you're a liar Go on and Dream Your house is on fire" Sweet dreams during your retirement, George. We're not going to miss you in the least... Meredith Tarr meth@aol.com ======================================================================== Date: 19 Jan 93 19:49:35 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: digestive tract record Jessica bandies: >Could I get some feedback from other people who've been on the list >for a while? Would you prefer I set something up to send out messages >every 24 hours, no matter waht the length (10 lines or 1000)? As an avid digester of ecto digests, I can say only that so far, so good. I have little to no complaints. If you send digests more often, so-be-it. Actually, I'd prefer 5 medium-full digests in a week to 10 short ones in a week. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 23:25:33 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Stalking the wild Loreena and other stories Mitch writes: >Yesterday, en route to the cinema in Water Tower to see _Peter's Friends_ >a good and underrated picture, BTW), I stopped into Rizzoli Books in the same >vertical mall to ask about the availability of Loreena's pre-_Visit_ albums, >inasmuch as Herself, during her appearance there a couple of months ago, had >indicated to me that they'd eventually be in stock. I was informed that they >do expect those things in at some point, but are unsure when. The upshot: >sooner or later, metro Chicago ectophiles will have one more place to get her >earlier albums. The Record Exchange in Evanston has them all on CD, for a reasonable price too. Meredith, "Huron 'Beltane' Fire Dance" is my favorite song too, though _The Visit_ is my favorite album overall. >Saturday, Stuart Rosenberg played a couple of numbers of interest on his show. >One was by Marta Sebestyen _sans_ Muszikas, from her upcoming solo album, which >has a less traditional sound than her earlier ones. I no longer remember for >sure, but I think the other was from the new Mouth Music album. It too had >less of a traditional Celtic sound than most of their material, but it was >good. Early the next morning, I heard backannounced on _Music From The Hearts >of Space_ a number by Bel Canto, which naturally I wouldn't have recognized >If I'd heard it, which I naturally didn't because Casper had his fang in the >gash in my knuckle at that moment. Hmmm, Marta just came out with an album this past year, so are you *sure* he he said "upcoming"? Does anyone have the new Mouth Music? I only have the CD single. Klaus, I like both Sundays albums. Thanks for your list. Mine will look similar (yes, kd will be on there :-)) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 00:27:32 GMT From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: Eddi Edda Vickie wrote: > Ah! Well then, good for her! I love all these songs, but "That's Fair" > is extra special. The lyrics are cynical, but witty. The chorus has > Eddi singing "that's fair, that's fair, that's fair enough" and under- > neath her main voice, she sings "Ummm is it? ummm is it? ummm is it?" Yes, I like that too! ;-) > I am suprised that Fairground Attraction isn't better known here. > How well did "Perfect" do as a single in the UK & Europe? Was it > released in Canada? As far as that goes, was it released in the US, > I wonder. MTV did play the Perfect video. I will agree that "Perfect" > is the weakest of all the songs I've heard so far (which is most of > them) and I have to admit that the video didn't encourage me to rush > out and look for Fairground Attraction. I don't know how high "Perfect" went in the charts, but I'm pretty sure it was high... As I mentioned, Fairground Attraction got a Grammy and, at least in Denmark, `everybody' knew "Perfect" by heart. I don't really remember the video (I only saw a fragment of it once) but, together with the songs I'd heard, it managed to trigger my interest... Jens P. Brage | Dance the circle dance of dreaming, brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | lonely by the crystal sea. /\ | Spin the web of mist and moonlight, \SphereSoft | come, beloved, and follow me. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 00:53:59 GMT From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: Cyndi Lauper & Thomas Dolby I asked: > "Blue Angel", what's that? It sounds interesting... And Vickie responded: > It's the group Cyndi was in before going solo. I love it! And Sam too: > I believe Vickie already answered this, but I'm going to jump in anyway. I > think Blue Angel's album was great! Thanks for the info, both of you! This definitely sounds like something I should get hold off, though the chances of finding the Blue Angel album in Denmark are probably minimal... Sam also reacted to my comment about Thomas Dolby: > I believe "Airhead" was from Mr. Dolby's wretched third album, "Aliens Ate My > Buick". If that's all you've heard of him, please give him another chance. Augh! My luck... :-( > His first two albums ("The Golden Age of Wireless" and "The Flat Earth") are > very interesting in their ambiance. He kind of got confused, career-wise, by > the third album, but now (something like four years later) he seems to be back > on course. "Astronauts & Heretics" has a lot of guest artists: Eddi Reader, > Ofra Haza, Eddie Van Halen, Jerry Garcia, etc. But it's really Thomas' record. > He's done some intriguing things with Cajun stylings on a couple of songs, and > written a nice range of numbers from jazzy to electronic. I think "That's Why > People Fall In Love" is a pretty hot song! Thanks for the info, I consider Dolby a *very* good producer and was somewhat sad to find his own music disappointing. Apparently it was just an unfortunate choice of music... And Steve wrote: > Jens Brage expresses some misgivings about Thomas Dolby from > hearing the Dolby singles that get played on the radio. Hey! Don't ruin my reputation (if I've got one worth ruining)! ;-) Ok, I didn't express myself too clearly: I actually liked some of the stuff on the radio, it was the "Airhead" CD-single my brother lent me, that I didn't like. Usually it the other way around... > To this I say, teleport do not run to your local record store and > get one of or both of _The Golden Age of Wireless_ and _The Flat > Earth_. These are his most brilliant works (my favorite is TFE). Sorry, no-go: My local CD pusher is a bit backwards and has still not contacted Sirius Cybernetics to get a teleportation booth installed. And I wouldn't want to take a trip down /dev/null... :-) Seriously, your recommendation is noted. Now it's just a question of whether I should go for TFE (seems to be the favorite) or A&H (with Eddi) first. Oh well, two more artists on my Stuff To Get list... Jens P. Brage | Dance the circle dance of dreaming, brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | lonely by the crystal sea. /\ | Spin the web of mist and moonlight, \SphereSoft | come, beloved, and follow me. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 08:40:28 +0000 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthday Here's wishing a very happy birthday to Ken Taylor on January 21st. Have a great and Happy day Ken Peace =============================================================================== _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' Terry (Tel Boy) Partis \_.-._( ''' _ __ (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) _ __ / `-' ( ,,, With a smile and a song / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] I'm HaPpY | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' \_.-._( ''' YYUR - YYUB - ICURYY4ME =============================================================================== ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 10:23:36 MEZ From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Re: Wrong Century, Sounds (?) Hi, Joel asked: > The sequence that interests me is from (approx) 02:07 - 02:49 and a short > sequence at fade out. I realize that these are alien voices (we do agree > that these are aliens, don't we?). The questions then arises: > > 1. Does anyone know how these sounds were generated? They sound like short samples from a radio message (with the typical scratching, the beeps and shreds of words) sent through an effect processor (delay, reverb, distortion, pitch shifter). > 2. Does anyone have an idea what these sounds mean? Happy sings about a village "where things are made of glass and metal, ...where everybody moves too fast" and she wonders where all the trees are. It seems to be her home village to which she returned after a long time and where everything has changed "I don't recognize this village...show me to my homeland...I miss my hill". I don't agree that the sounds are from aliens. I think they shall express the coldness and hectic of the "spooky world" Dirk P.S.: Last night, I listened to SO very intensively - for the first time since one or two years - and I must say that I find it *much* better than US. Muser-Martin: > Then you will send all your money to martin@cs.curtin.edu.au. Do you prefer GIFs or TIFFs or what? ======================================================================== From: special K Subject: Re: my best albums of '92 Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 9:01:12 EST Drewcifer said: >>> Not knocking kd in the LEAST...but as far as I'm concerned ANY Grammy >>> nomination is something to sneeze at. Their choices consistently indicate >>> that whatever they knew about music, they've forgotten it. And I said: >>Now now, Drewcifer. Just cuz Happy or KaTe haven't been nominated doesn't mean >>that the Grammy people have no taste...true, their past indicates only a >>smidgeon of taste, but when they chose kd and Lyle Lovett as best country >>artists in 1989, they proved to me that they do possess a modicum of knowledge >>and taste. All IMHO, of course. :) > Example: these are the people who gave Milli Vanilli a Grammy. Now I don't > know about you, but even if MV HAD sung on their own record, I still don't > think the material OR the performance deserved any particular recognition. Point taken. :) > BTW, to clarify further, kd deserved all the recognition she got; still > does! :) You redeemed yourself with that statement, D-fer. Now let's hope kd wins at least one Grammy, although IMO it's doubtful. I'm still surprised that she received the nominations that she did. She's had quite a year what with coming out and all...I think it's quite a feat for the Grammy people to nominate an out lesbian...I didn't think they would do such a thing. :) special K ======================================================================== From: special K Subject: Re: Stalking the wild Loreena and other stories Date: Wed, 20 Jan 93 9:16:48 EST Vicki said: > Klaus, I like both Sundays albums. Thanks for your list. Mine will look > similar (yes, kd will be on there :-)) Phew! I feel better now. :) Thanks, Vic. special K ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)